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Donald Trump Wins US Presidency (nytimes.com) 2837

It's official: Donald Trump has won the 2016 presidential election. Slashdot reader Xenographic writes: Google's map of results is now calling the race for Donald J. Trump. This is something that Nate Silver jokingly predicted back on May 10th when he wrote "Reminder: Cubs will win the World Series and, in exchange, President Trump will be elected 8 days later." The House and Senate are also under Republican control. In other news, the Canadian immigration site has crashed under heavy load.This is how The New York Times, America's top newspaper reported the news:The surprise outcome, defying late polls that showed Hillary Clinton with a modest but persistent edge, threatened convulsions throughout the country and the world, where skeptics had watched with alarm as Mr. Trump's unvarnished overtures to disillusioned voters took hold. The triumph for Mr. Trump, 70, a real estate developer-turned-reality television star with no government experience, was a powerful rejection of the establishment forces that had assembled against him, from the world of business to government, and the consensus they had forged on everything from trade to immigration. The results amounted to a repudiation, not only of Mrs. Clinton, but of President Obama, whose legacy is suddenly imperiled. And it was a decisive demonstration of power by a largely overlooked coalition of mostly blue-collar white and working-class voters who felt that the promise of the United States had slipped their grasp amid decades of globalization and multiculturalism. Update: The New Yorker's Editor-in-Chief David Remnick, described the Election outcome as "an American tragedy." The New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said, "Trump will bring global recession." BBC has an article on how the media worldwide has described Trump's victory. The Guardian captured the thoughts of world leaders on the matter. Hillary Clinton addressed the nation this morning and told her supporters that they all should keep an open mind and give Trump the chance to lead.

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  • One party rule (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:45AM (#53242923)

    Didn't see this coming but it looks like the republicans will control all branches. It will be interesting to see what they do with that power in the upcoming years.

    • by Xenographic ( 557057 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:58AM (#53243009) Journal

      Incidentally, for those looking for someone to blame here, look no further than the DNC:

      Operationalizing the Strategy Pied Piper Candidates

      There are two ways to approach the strategies mentioned above. The first is to use the field as a whole to inflict damage on itself similar to what happened to Mitt Romney in 2012. The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more “Pied Piper” candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:

                  Ted Cruz
                  Donald Trump
                  Ben Carson

      Read the PDF attachment on this email [wikileaks.org] for the source.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:04AM (#53243063)

        I was one of the Democrats who voted for Trump during the primary to sabotage the GOP. Screw game theory. Elections are too important to not vote your conscience.

      • by tsotha ( 720379 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:05AM (#53243077)

        I'm old enough to remember when they wanted to face Reagan. I guess you need to be careful what you wish for.

      • by jandersen ( 462034 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:40AM (#53243413)

        Incidentally, for those looking for someone to blame here, look no further than the DNC:

        - and the GOP, who have been tearing themselves apart and letting the people down. And the God Mongers, who have always been part of the establishment; and the media, whose only interest has ever been to line their own pockets and wouldn't let facts get in the way. And so on.

        What can anyone say at this point? As somebody who has lived long enough to see what the reality is like in politics, I think you guys made a mistake - there is a hell of a lot of difference between "sorting out the world" over a few pints in your usual bar, and tackling real politics in the real world. Clinton knows her way around the political system - she would have been able to make things continue more or less the way they have always gone; admittedly not the best campaign slogan, but we knew what we were getting and she never promised more than she could deliver. Trump, on the other hand - what can he actually do, now that he has to do it for real? Build a wall? Start a major trade war with China? Deport all the illegal immigrants? Make America great again? How would behaving like an idiot make America great? On the other hand, if he doesn't deliver on his promises, because he comes to his senses, what will all the angry people, whose anger he has stoked with his talk, how will they react? Are they going to take it stoically? Well, we will see, but I think we are in for a bumpy ride, and we will feel it no matter where we are.

        • by Rakarra ( 112805 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:38AM (#53243821)

          On the other hand, if he doesn't deliver on his promises, because he comes to his senses, what will all the angry people, whose anger he has stoked with his talk, how will they react? Are they going to take it stoically? Well, we will see, but I think we are in for a bumpy ride, and we will feel it no matter where we are.

          Having seen this sort of thing over and over again... no, there's not going to be a reckoning. Because, like Trump did all throughout the primaries and general election, you can always blame someone else when you're wrong, and a sizable number of idiots will say you were right and it was someone else's fault.

          So when Trump's policies fail, it will be the work of those shameful Democrats somehow.

        • by wienerschnizzel ( 1409447 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:04AM (#53243975)

          Incidentally, for those looking for someone to blame here, look no further than the DNC:

          - and the GOP, who have been tearing themselves apart and letting the people down. And the God Mongers, who have always been part of the establishment; and the media, whose only interest has ever been to line their own pockets and wouldn't let facts get in the way. And so on.

          Why not just blame people who voted for him? We talk about failure of the institutions, failure of the intellectual elites, failure of the politicians...

          F*@! that! I'm calling this the failure of the masses!

          And if you think it's snobbish to say so, you are wrong - I'm the one acknowledging their agency, that their decisions matter! Now they voted for a guy who wants to use the nuclear bomb. There's no excuses for that. That's not just 'locker room talk', that's not 'complicated economic policy', that's not 'showing the top 1% the finger' - that's just pure evil!

          And the worst part is that this is happening all over the world. The Phillipinos voted for a loud mouthed buffoon as well. And the Polish have got a right wing isolationist president as well, ironically all the while the British isolationists claim they need to leave the EU because the Poles are getting all the gravy to the detriment of UK! All over europe extreme right is on the rise! There are elections comming in France and Germany next year and FN and AFD are hoping for a surprise as well!

          W.T.F. people!

          • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:36AM (#53244129)

            I have historian friends who tell me something along the lines of: "We're overdue. Civilizations forget the past, and believe themselves better than their ancestors. They believe the nations that spawned Plato, Confucious and Beethoven were primitive compared to now. They think what has happened before so many times is now behind us. Thus they do not listen to the warnings. They dont believe it can happen to the most modern and advanced culture the world has ever seen. Still, it happens. They are shocked when it does. They ask 'How could it happen here, in these modern times? Surely we are more sophisticated than those brutes we heard about from history?' They all believed that. The Romans, the Byzantine, the Chinese dynasties and the Victorians. They all believed that, and they were wrong."

        • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:50AM (#53244511) Homepage Journal

          Clinton knows her way around the political system - she would have been able to make things continue more or less the way they have always gone; admittedly not the best campaign slogan, but we knew what we were getting and she never promised more than she could deliver.

          We didn't want the status quo, and the DNC offered nothing better.

        • by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:15AM (#53244659) Journal

          A lot of people forget that there isn't a lot Trump can do without the Congress playing along. And while his nonsense might play in the House, he's still down a few votes for cloture motions in the Senate. There are ways to work around that in the budgetary process through reconciliation, but it has a whole new set of rules around that.

          The Congress is going to put the brakes on a lot of shit he wants to do, and even thinks he can do. The White House Counsel's office is going to have a busy four years.

      • by perpenso ( 1613749 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:53AM (#53243913)
        The DNC's failure started long before that, they should not have attempted a coronation.

        This year's Democrat primary was truly weird, no Presidential incumbent but only a single prominent Democrat running? How the hell did that happen? It should have been a crowded field like 2008. Somehow the party machine convinced other prominent Democrats to stay out of the race, "it was her turn". There was one token opponent who mostly said he largely agreed with her and that she would be a good President. And there was the Independent running as a Democrat, a party outsider, Bernie.

        It should have been a crowded Democratic primary field like 2008 and a more viable candidate emerging like in 2008. But that didn't work out for the party machine's preferred candidate last time did it, so they worked to avoid that same mistake and essentially ran here "unopposed" in the primary. The shock of Bernie doing so well should have told them something, but no, "it was her turn".

        [sarcasm] DNC, thank you for Trump. You found the one candidate he could beat [/sarcasm].
      • by Overzeetop ( 214511 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @09:01AM (#53245001) Journal

        Indeed.

        Had the Democrats fielded almost anyone *except* HRC, it would have been a D landslide victory. They probably could have fielded a dog and a used ball of aluminum foil and won. But, no, they chose to anoint one of the most hated women in politics - and I say that as a life long Democrat. She's simply toxic in a way that the party core is simply blind to.

        I feel like we just had the Superbowl, and the 49ers and Browns ended up as the NFC and AFC representatives.

    • Re:One party rule (Score:5, Interesting)

      by CaptainLard ( 1902452 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:17AM (#53243175)

      It will be interesting to see what they do with that power in the upcoming years.

      My guess is gloat then fuck everybody.

    • Re:One party rule (Score:5, Insightful)

      by AK Marc ( 707885 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:18AM (#53243191)
      It was predicted in the primaries. Hillary Clinton was the weakest possible candidate against Trump. If the party had rallied around Bernie Sanders, Trump would have lost. So many of the Trump votes were anti-Hillary protest votes. A vote for Hillary in the primaries was a vote for Trump.
      • Re:One party rule (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:32AM (#53243319)

        This. The poll numbers never changed, Bernie had 20+ points over Trump, and every single Trump voter I know was a Bernie supporter. Democrats literally bit the poison pill, and lost all around. And now we all have to suffer for it.

        • Re:One party rule (Score:5, Insightful)

          by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:26AM (#53244741) Journal

          Don't forget that the DNC actively encouraged people to vote in the Republican primaries for Trump, because that's who they wanted to run against instead of a more moderate, experienced, and level headed candidate.

          They got who they wanted, and they rigged their own primary to nominate their candidate; then they fucked the dog and lost the election through smugness and not paying attention to what the voters were actually telling since the early primaries.

          They lost an election. The whole country will lose far more than that. Thanks, DNC. And I say this as a registered Republican, who did not vote for Trump.

      • Re:One party rule (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Feral Nerd ( 3929873 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:21AM (#53244051)

        It was predicted in the primaries. Hillary Clinton was the weakest possible candidate against Trump. If the party had rallied around Bernie Sanders, Trump would have lost. So many of the Trump votes were anti-Hillary protest votes. A vote for Hillary in the primaries was a vote for Trump.

        Voting for Trump out of protest is like shooting your self in the foot to cure foot fungus.

      • by Shane_Optima ( 4414539 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:03AM (#53244261) Journal
        Yup. Bernie could have won against Trump. Biden could have won against Trump (although I understand the issue there is he didn't really want to run.) I even think Elizabeth Warren could have won against Trump.

        Virtualy any serious (or indeed unserious) person willing to project a a sensible anti-establishment persona, and not say the kind stupid horseshirt Trump has said, and also not be trailing decades of sordid little establishment-class skeletons like Hillary... I tend to believe any of those people could have beaten Trump. We wanted a person in charge for a change; the democratic establishment instead gave us a lizard [goodreads.com]. One of the more reptilian lizards to saunter by in a while, really.

        And so people voted for the blabbering airhead instead of the lizard. People of or for the left: please learn your lesson. Reform politics. Create an "alt-left"... or just continue down your current path, keep making your token snide remarks and behold as the right destroys everything.
        • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:12AM (#53244641) Homepage Journal

          And so people voted for the blabbering airhead instead of the lizard. People of or for the left: please learn your lesson. Reform politics. Create an "alt-left"... or just continue down your current path, keep making your token snide remarks and behold as the right destroys everything.

          The lesson here is that the democratic party is not left-wing. The Green party is our only real left-wing party, and it is a whisper of a murmur of passage in the night compared to the other parties. The Democratic party is a centrist, status-quo-maintaining party, and this is a time when people are demanding change. Remember how Obama ran on the Hope (you don't get drone striked or indefinitely detained) and Change (prior administration's policies very little) platform? Problem is, he failed to meet people's hopes and he delivered very little change. Racism is clearly still as rampant as ever so having a black president clearly didn't accomplish anything, and nothing has really changed. The world is still at the brink of war, the same number of people are still seeking employment because the unemployment rate is still a lie (just as it was under republican presidents in the past, this is a bi-partisan effort to fuck us) and he's going to let Standing Rock "play out for a few weeks" after promising that the natives there would not stand alone. So provably, clearly, undeniably, the Democrats could not run on the platform of Change when even their color-changed candidate couldn't provide any. They ran on the basis of maintaining the status quo at a time when people are clearly done doing that.

          At best, the DNC is a bunch of incompetent raving lunatics. At worst, they threw the election.

    • Re:One party rule (Score:5, Insightful)

      by 0100010001010011 ( 652467 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:20AM (#53243217)

      Literally no excuse. So when Bob the redneck keeps whining It's Obama's fault he doesn't have a job you can gleefully tell him to GTFO.

    • Re:One party rule (Score:5, Insightful)

      by hardburlyboogerman ( 161244 ) <kwsmith41747@windstream.net> on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:27AM (#53243283) Homepage Journal

      I hope folks are ready for sheer hell to break loose because it will..Folks like me can look forward to dying as our Medicare and Social Security are ripped away from us.
      America has collectively gone Insane

  • Hmmm well (Score:5, Funny)

    by Diac ( 1515711 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:47AM (#53242931)

    Hay we survived bush Jr we can survive trump.

    An old Chinese saying is may you live in interesting times....wait that was a curse wasn't it :/

    Interesting times.

    • Re:Hmmm well (Score:5, Insightful)

      by tezbobobo ( 879983 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:56AM (#53242989) Homepage Journal

      It should be pointed out that hawkish behaviour under the Bush regime meant a LOT of people didn't survive the Bush regime (literally bombed and shot to death). While American's have been concerned with talk of Mexican Walls and grabbing women inappropriately, the rest of the world has been gravely worried about the potential dismantling of major world alliances and free trade deals, and the potential for nuclear proliferation.

      People in the US need to realise that US guns in US hands kill a LOT of people around the world.

    • Re:Hmmm well (Score:5, Interesting)

      by SuricouRaven ( 1897204 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:57AM (#53242997)

      I expect the first priority for the Republicans now will be reversing everything done under Obama. Even the thing they agree with, they can't allow a Democrat to claim the success. I expect a health care reform repeal act to pass at some point in 2017.

      Trump himself doesn't really have any policies, just powerful rhetoric, so I would expect him to just reflect the party positions on most issues. The country will march on, there will be a brief battle (which republicans will win) over at least one supreme court nominee when the Republicans insist on appointing someone who has pledged to overturn Roe given half a chance, and Trump will say something embarassing every couple of months that will need a bit of diplomatic skill from his underlings to downplay. America may become a bit of a laughing stock for a time, but it'll still carry on running. Food will be on the table, television will keep on running, and the people will grumble as usual.

      • by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:29AM (#53243287)
        Actually, first priority will be packing up the statue of liberty and shipping it back to France with a rude note and a poop emoji.
  • Wet paper bag (Score:5, Insightful)

    by The Rizz ( 1319 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:49AM (#53242945)

    Dear DNC and superdelegates: Thanks so much for giving us the most unpopular Democratic nominee in living memory. What should have been a landslide win has become a complete fucking nightmare. Good job.

    • Very true (Score:5, Informative)

      by Xenographic ( 557057 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:01AM (#53243021) Journal

      For anyone who doubts the parent post, read the PDF attached to this email [wikileaks.org] and look at the list of names of "Pied Piper Candidates" the DNC hoped to face.

      Maybe they should dump the superdelegates and let the people choose their own candidate next time?

      • Re:Very true (Score:5, Informative)

        by CaptainLard ( 1902452 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:31AM (#53243307)

        The time for misinformation is over. Hillary beat Sanders by ~2 Million popular votes and was leading throughout the primaries. Anyway you slice it Hillary was rightfully the Dem nominee. Its moot now anyway because here we go...

        • Re:Very true (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:55AM (#53243527)
          Early in the primaries, Sanders was really close to Clinton in elected delegate count - within about 10%-15%.. But all the media reported the delegate count including the DNC-selected superdelgates, making it appear as if Clinton had an insurmountable 40%-60% lead. That had the effect of discouraging potential Sanders voters from bothering to vote because the primary race was "already over", as well as swaying undecideds to not seriously consider Sanders because "he didn't have a realistic chance of winning."

          One party deliberately manipulated their primary process to select the candidate the party bosses wanted, instead of the candidate the voters wanted. The other party grudgingly accepted the voters' choice of nominee even though the party bosses thought it was crazy stupid. The first party lost the Presidency. The latter party won it. Turns out listening to the voters' choice instead of the party bosses' opinions pays off in a democracy. Who'd've thunk it.
    • Re:Wet paper bag (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Vitriol+Angst ( 458300 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:12AM (#53243135)

      I think the problem is that the DNC has it's own bubble, and the professional political establishment considers what makes a professional also makes a winner.

      Hillary also kept pitching for the "I'm a woman" and LGBTQ and minorities. Everyone KNEW the Dems were supporting this so WHY always bring it up? They spent ZERO air time saying; "we want to get jobs to coal workers and bring opportunities to rural communities." Instead; "Coal is going out of style."

      While I'm THINK that Bernie Sanders could have won -- I voted for him after all. It's mostly because he didn't EXCLUDE white males. He didn't have a message of who he was or wasn't -- just universal messages of what he planned to do for people. I hope the DNC learns this -- or dies. I'm not a fan of political parties in the first place.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:51AM (#53242959)

    We're sorry.

    Sincerely,

    a shitload of americans. (just not a big enough shitload, apparently).

  • by CajunArson ( 465943 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:51AM (#53242963) Journal

    Please consolidate all the comments about how sexist/racist/xenophobic America is because they didn't coronate Hillary under this comment for organizational purposes. Please provide reasons for why a bunch of people who were "good" when they voted for Obama deserve to be shipped off to your concentration camps today for failing to do as they were told.

    Also, you can post your real estate listings here since you ARE actually going to man up (ooh wait.. too cisgendered a term there) and move to Canada right?

    Interesting microcosm of why Hillary ACTUALLY lost that can't be boiled down to a prejudiced throw-away "ism" hurled at groups of people you don't like: Tonight she flat out refused to go out and face her own supporters at her lavish "victory" party. Not even to thank them for their hard work. No class whatsoever where it actually counts.

    • by Khyber ( 864651 ) <techkitsune@gmail.com> on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:08AM (#53243109) Homepage Journal

      "Tonight she flat out refused to go out and face her own supporters at her lavish "victory" party. Not even to thank them for their hard work. No class whatsoever where it actually counts."

      Truth be told, Hillary's still running; she's just not running for President. That's why she couldn't face her supporters tonight, and not even a concession speech. Bet she's gonna lose a few thousand calories, though! ;)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:52AM (#53242969)

    1. Barbra Streisand 2. Bryan Cranston 3. Miley Cyrus 4. Lena Dunham 5. Amy Schumer 6. Jon Stewart 7. Cher 8. Chelsea Handler 9. Samuel L. Jackson 10. Whoopi Goldberg 11. Neve Campbell 12. Keegan-Michael Key 13. George Lopez 14. Ne-Yo 15. Rev. Al Sharpton 16. Raven-Symoné

    Don't let the door hit your rears on the way out you babies!

  • by Pollux ( 102520 ) <speter@[ ]ata.net.eg ['ted' in gap]> on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:56AM (#53242993) Journal

    I went to bed at 11:00 PM thinking too many states were too close to call until the morning. It's 1:52 AM right now. I just got woken up by my two-year-old yelling. He couldn't tell me what was wrong. I gave him some water and changed him, even though he wasn't wet, and I put him back to bed.

    I thought, what the hell, I gotta know. I power on the computer, log in, and this is what I see.

    Methinks young padawan senses a disturbance in the force.

  • by Hognoxious ( 631665 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:01AM (#53243029) Homepage Journal

    Britain slips down to number 2 in the stupidest country rankings.

  • by pushing-robot ( 1037830 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:04AM (#53243067)

    Since term limits began we've been in a cycle of 8 years one party, 8 years the other. Bush (the first) was the only exception, because Reagan was ridiculously popular and Dukakis wasn't.

    More accurately, Republicans have a base of ~40% that turns out no matter what; Democrats don't, which is why all the true landslides of the past 50 years have gone to Republicans. The party cycle is pretty much all because of Democrats; after two elections they become complacent and idealistic and stop turning out, then it takes a couple terms of Republicans to build up the fire in their belly again. It would be funny, except for how many people suffer in the meantime.

    And if you were one of those idealists who would only vote for Bernie, remember that idealism is an extremism as dangerous as any other, because it ends in letting the world burn because you won't settle for second best.

    Anyway, all hail Grand Nagus Trump and see you in 2018.

  • Well... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:06AM (#53243089) Journal

    Well, at least we (the UK) are no longer the biggest clowns in the west.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:26AM (#53243263)

    From the Washington Post:

    I’m no fan of Peter Thiel, the billionaire who put Gawker out of business by bankrolling a lawsuit by Hulk Hogan, the professional wrestler. In fact, I find him appalling.

    But when he spoke recently at the National Press Club, he said something that struck me as quite perceptive about Donald Trump.

    “The media is always taking Trump literally. It never takes him seriously, but it always takes him literally,” Thiel said. Journalists wanted to know exactly how he would deport that many undocumented immigrants, or exactly how Trump would rid the world of ISIS. We wanted details.

    But a lot of voters think the opposite way: They take Trump seriously but not literally.

    They realize, Thiel said, that Trump doesn’t really plan to build a wall. “What they hear is, ‘We’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.’ ”

    Trump, quite apparently, captured the anger that Americans were feeling about issues such as trade and immigration.

    Also, as someone who is not a Trump supporter, I thought at least that his acceptance speech was quite good.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:38AM (#53243395)
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  • by m.alessandrini ( 1587467 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:51AM (#53243497)
    That serves you right for having been making fun of us on Berlusconi all those years!
  • by Orgasmatron ( 8103 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:57AM (#53243539)

    If you promised to move to Canada if Trump won, please post contact information and an army of volunteers will reach out to you shortly to schedule a date to help you pack.

    If you promised to move to Mexico to protest Trump's plan to halt illegal immigration, please... Just kidding, we know none of you are willing to live in Mexico.

  • by WaffleMonster ( 969671 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:08AM (#53243613)

    To find out Canadian immigration website runs IIS.

  • by Shane_Optima ( 4414539 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:35AM (#53243799) Journal
    Jesus fucking Christ. I didn't want this (as my posting record will certainly show), but there is that smug desire to wag fingers and say I told you, isn't there?

    The moment Brexit happened, I strongly suspected Trump was headed for the White House. Two completely unrelated things, you say? Not at all. The point is this: Project Fear has run its course. If you tell people "Oh No, if you don't vote for the status quo, warts and all, things will get so so bad!", they will be inclined to tell you to go fuck yourself up an ass with a cactus. And if the Brits were willing to do that, for fuck's sake, Americans surely were as well.

    Should I say it? Does it need to be said? Bernie could have won, easily. Probably a dozen others could've done the same. I personally think Biden could've easily won because the man is not a phony. Elizabeth Warren might have easily won too; I'm not sure. For millennia, people haven been bitching thatpoliticians are phony and yet it's somehow impossible to elect someone who isn't phony. [goodreads.com] Guess what? It's not impossible. Now, in this case I'm pretty sure people settled on a rank phony-ness of a much different sort, a non-standard phonyness over the standard one, but...

    But Jesus fucking Christ, all of this dumb shit about racism and sexism... all of these red herrings that NO ONE on the fence gave a crap about after the man gave you a mountain of potent ammunition to use against him. Scream and scream and scream hysterically at us if we don't agree he's "orange Hitler". No, no he's not Hitler or a racist, obviously fucking not. He's an airhead who barely pays attention to what he's even saying, a sycophant, a man who was a registered Democrat not that long ago, someone who was able to broach a few important topics that no one else was willing to broach, even if he make a complete mess if it every time he tried to talk sense. Just broaching the topic was enough.

    Instead of a curse, I'll try to end with a blessing:

    May the old guard of the Republicans finally disintegrate entirely, may the evangelicals slowly grow quiet and chasten with the realization that genitalia-centered regulation and shaming is no longer going to be a priority in this country, may the alt-right toss out its more vile elements and turn into something that's actually worth listening to now and then, and may the left in this country grow the fuck up and realize that merely being less anti-intellectual and more "moderate" (especially compared to the left in other Western democracies) is not enough.

    This wasn't the way to do it; definitely wasn't the smart way to do it, and I risk spraining my neck from shaking my head but at the same time... alone in the kitchen, coming in for a quick snack but then finding myself pacing absentmindedly and staring at the ceiling... I have to admit cracking a smile or three. Moronic and foot-shooting as this whole thing has been, it does give me a little bit of hope. If reasonableness fails against cynicism, I guess stupidity and bombast can sometimes carry the day, for whatever Pyrrhic victory that's worth.

    Now let's just hope we can all survive the next four years.

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