The DEA Has Been Secretly Paying Transport Employees To Search Travelers' Bags (economist.com) 165
There's a new reason you can be stopped by airport security: because the security officer who flagged you "was being secretly paid by the government...to uncover evidence of drug smuggling." schwit1 quotes The Economist:
For years, officials from the Department of Justice testified, the DEA has paid millions of dollars to a variety of confidential sources to provide tips on travellers who may be transporting drugs or large sums of money. Those sources include staff at airlines, Amtrak, parcel services and even the Transportation Safety Administration...
According to [a DOJ] report, airline employees and other informers had an incentive to search more travellers' bags, since they received payment whenever their actions resulted in DEA seizures of cash or contraband. The best-compensated of these appears to have been a parcel company employee who received more than $1 million from the DEA over five years. One airline worker, meanwhile, received $617,676 from 2012 to 2015 for tips that led to confiscations. But the DEA itself profited much more from the program. That well-paid informant got only about 12% of the amount the agency seized as a result of the his tips.
The DEA had paid out $237 million to over 9,000 informants over five years towards the end of 2015, according to the report. The Economist writes that "travelers no doubt paid the price in increased searches," adding that the resulting searches were all probably illegal.
According to [a DOJ] report, airline employees and other informers had an incentive to search more travellers' bags, since they received payment whenever their actions resulted in DEA seizures of cash or contraband. The best-compensated of these appears to have been a parcel company employee who received more than $1 million from the DEA over five years. One airline worker, meanwhile, received $617,676 from 2012 to 2015 for tips that led to confiscations. But the DEA itself profited much more from the program. That well-paid informant got only about 12% of the amount the agency seized as a result of the his tips.
The DEA had paid out $237 million to over 9,000 informants over five years towards the end of 2015, according to the report. The Economist writes that "travelers no doubt paid the price in increased searches," adding that the resulting searches were all probably illegal.
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New-age travellers or all of them?
Next up the IRS (Score:2)
will turn you in for reporting embezzled money.
"Mr. Trump...." (Score:1)
"Tear down this agency."
Bush's fault! (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't forget Bush [mrctv.org]! Obama inherited DEA from his predecessor, didn't he? 8 years of Presidency is not enough to fix a federal law-enforcement agency, especially if you pick Attorney Generals for their Social [nbcnews.com] Justice [georgetown.edu] credentials, rather than the ability to run a sizeable organization. (An ability, Obama himself never had either.)
And, unlike closing Guantanamo [time.com], Obama never even promised [theatlantic.com] to reign-in the Drug Enforcement Administration — so we can't hold him responsible for its abuses, can we?
Re:Bush's fault! (Score:5, Interesting)
Either way, the government sure goes out of its way to make sure people don't get high.
But at the end of the day, we all have our poisons. A college student has their weed, a business exec has their coke, a trailer park resident has their meth, and a hippie has their LSD. I of course, am a gamer, so my poison is sugary sodas. I got off of it for a while and thought my addiction was gone, but then I started using again recently, and strangely the DEA doesn't mind in my case.
Re:Bush's fault! (Score:4, Insightful)
Either way, the government sure goes out of its way to make sure people don't get high.
But at the end of the day, we all have our poisons. A college student has their weed, a business exec has their coke, a trailer park resident has their meth, and a hippie has their LSD. I of course, am a gamer, so my poison is sugary sodas. I got off of it for a while and thought my addiction was gone, but then I started using again recently, and strangely the DEA doesn't mind in my case.
Maybe not the DEA (for now) but the city of New York does. 20 Oz limit, citizen! And don't think you're going to find a salt-shaker at your table in a NYC restaurant, either.
Strat
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And don't think you're going to find a salt-shaker at your table in a NYC restaurant, either.
There is no ban on salt. You have to put an icon next to salty foods, which I do think is dumb (don't like it? don't eat there again, fucko) but you can avoid it by taking salt out of the dish and putting a salt shaker on the table.
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As fellow geeks and programmers, I'm pretty sure we're all quite aware of how malformed sin tax can negatively affect a system.
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Re: Bush's fault! (Score:3, Insightful)
The FBI will issue a statement about a nothingburger. After most of the clamor has died down, they will issue a clarification that there really wasn't any news to speak of.
The CIA will report that the Russians hacked the DEA, but that report will come out too late to matter.
The NYT will blame Donald Trump for any government malfeasance in 2016, and George Bush for anything before that.
NBC will complain about fake news, but not if it's accurate.
And everyone will point out how narrow minded and hypocritical
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The CIA will report that the Russians hacked the DEA, but that report will come out too late to matter.
Except we learned yesterday that Obama and the security agencies called a meeting of the Congressional Leadership (D & R) to tell them this was actually happening.
In SEPTEMBER. Guess who decided to not do anything about it...and flatly claim that anyone mentioning it publicly would be accused of doing so for political game? Hint, it's not the Dems.
Re:Bush's fault! (Score:5, Insightful)
And, unlike closing Guantanamo, Obama never even...
Turns out the president can't rule by fiat. Now remind me who blocked him from closing down gitmo...
Re: Bush's fault! (Score:2)
He can rule the executive branch by fiat. He could have closed Guantanamo and released the terrorists with a phone call.
Guantanamo in President's control (Score:2)
No one can block the President from doing whatever he wants with the military. He is the Commander in Chief, remember? And Guantanamo is a military prison — that's the whole reason it was used by Bush to hold foreign combatants out of reach of America's civil legal system.
So, yes, Obama could have just let all of the inmates loose. Into Cuba or into Antarctica or anywhere else... Or he could've killed them — the way he deliberately killed [theguardian.com]
Insightful? How Fucking Sad. (Score:2)
Turns out the president can't rule by fiat. Now remind me who blocked him from closing down gitmo...
Obama had two choices. He could announce that he was going to pardon everyone we were unwilling to charge with a crime within a set time frame that would lead others to figure out what to do with those prisoners, or he could go back on his promise and cooperate with the ongoing desecration of the constitution by operating a place where supposedly human rights do not exist. He took the road taken only by cowards and liars.
He can claw back the tiniest whit of respect by pardoning Snowden and Manning. I don't
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On the subject of drugs, the president actually can do a lot by fiat. The Controlled Substances Act, duly enacted by Congress, gives DEA the power to reclassify substances on the schedules, and even remove them outright. Now, DEA is part of the executive branch, and the president is its head. So, it is entirely within his power to issue an executive order directing DEA to do so. Removing weed alone would scale the "war on drugs" by an order of magnitude (and make it substantially less profitable, so there's
Re: Bush's fault! (Score:4, Informative)
I'm thinking Trump will start taking responsibility sometime around Jan 20, 2017, but that's just a guess.
Re: Bush's fault! (Score:2)
Re: Bush's fault! (Score:5, Informative)
Oh and with no help, at all, from the GOP and even them actively working against the countries interests so as to not look like they were 'helping' Obama.
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Except Obama didn't really do that. He just went about getting the economy working again and getting people back to work...
He didn't do that, either. There are the same number of people seeking full-time employment now as there were at the beginning of his presidency. The jobs created under Obama are overwhelmingly low-income (or even minimum wage) jobs upon which you cannot live without going [further] into debt. Obama did literally nothing to improve this situation, and literally nothing has come of it.
Re: Bush's fault! (Score:2)
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Obama was handed an economy losing a 800k jobs a month
Odds are that there's nothing he could have done to fix it properly. That still doesn't suggest that he should get credit for saving uhhhhmerica. Average earnings are down since Dubya! Under whom, it might be noted, the auto company bailouts were engineered. All Obama has done regarding jobs is sit down, hold on and shut up.
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The GOP opposed Obama when the DNC had power in both houses? What crack are you smoking?
Re: Bush's fault! (Score:2)
Bush did the emergency surgery to stabilize a critical patient, Obama did the work of actually healing the patient. Both are necessary. The GOP said we should let them die.
Re: Bush's fault! (Score:2)
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http://www.thepoliticalinsider... [thepoliticalinsider.com]
Yeah, he totally didn't blame Bush.
Re: Bush's fault! (Score:2)
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Re: Bush's fault! (Score:5, Insightful)
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No, we're not the definition of a "socialist regime", but the pressures to move toward single-payer healthcare, mandatory public education (no more home-schooling allowed, etc.), and increased social welfare programs are VERY real and constant.
The vastly out-of-hand military industrial complex and rampant cronyism are problems too, but not really ones related to the ones I just mentioned.
Part of the problem in America today is the fact that Republicans are the party who will generally fight the move towards
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Just imagine, the VA covering all Americans so that we can all be ignored to death, instead of just our veterans.
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My kingdom for a mod point!
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The Federal govornment has build vast networks of social programs: single payer education through high school, govornment regulated and mandatory health insurance, food safety nets, affordable housing, welfare, mandatory retirement programs (social security), etc etc .....
Wow that all sounds so horrible...
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Everyone used an EBT card now. If you're in line behind the beneficiary, you can't tell it apart from a debit card when they pay.
Maybe you can't, but it's often obvious to the rest of us. First, the card has a distinctive design; no other card looks the same. Second, the patron usually winds up with stuff that won't be covered, so they have to perform an additional transaction or reject items.
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I guess I know where all those DEA Profits will go (Score:2)
Into court, legal services and awards for individuals that were illegally searched.
OR... will the airline employees and others be sued for carrying out an illegal search (for money)?
When it's all said and done, it will be the lawyers who get rich.
Re:I guess I know where all those DEA Profits will (Score:4, Insightful)
This is almost certainly leading to 'civil forfeiture' - where you are not prosecuted for a crime. Your posessions are - and you have very limited opportunity to defend it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] - last week tonight on civil forfeiture.
It is especially problematic because the siezing agency gets to keep the funds, which provides them a clear incentive to overreach.
In general, if you can't prove to beyond a reasonable doubt where your money came from - in detail, and even if you can - your chances of getting it back are small.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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and there is likely some non-civil forfeiture going on too. I mean, why not help yourself to some stuff while your doing a search, cause that never happens.
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Except this is exactly what a W-2 or a 1099 is for. Things that are documented for tax purposes are documented for chain-of-custody and laundering-prevention purposes. Operate within the law, and most of your problems with law enforcement *gasp!* vanish. It's almost like law enforcement is doing their fucking jobs for once.
Now, that's not to say
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... illegally searched.
..illegal search
Oh, you can bet this will be another one of many "no expectation of privacy" exemptions from 4th Amendment protections.
Re: I guess I know where all those DEA Profits wil (Score:2, Insightful)
Money for drug finds, and no chain of custody requirements. I guarantee that a substantial portion of these "finds" were planted.
Re: I guess I know where all those DEA Profits wil (Score:5, Insightful)
It makes them an agent of law enforcement, hence having to abide by the 4th amendment. Therefore the searches become illegal..
This is unlike where if I violate your privacy and go to the cops. Cause if they never asked me to do it, I'm just a tipster.
Re: I guess I know where all those DEA Profits wi (Score:1)
Precisely. This is another DEA program working against the constitutional rights of Americans. By paying people who can legally search any package, they are turning private employees into government agents, ala Stasi agents.
The DEA was tapping every call into and out of LA county for close to 10 years. Not sure if they were looking at closing competitors of the DEAs illegal drug trade when they worked hand in hand with the CIA, but both agencies were linked to the same operations.
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It doesn't matter if they are asked to do a fairly obvious task of reporting drug possession. It might make a difference if a DEA agent asked a specific person to be searched.
But by flying, you agree to be searched regardless. You consented when you entered the airport. There is no way anyone would declare this illegal, unless they are completely ignorant.
Just because you think it should be illegal doesn't make it so.
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A 'random' search is legitimate. When the searcher was being 'paid' to do 'random' searches...you now have a legal point you can argue that your search wasn't 'random' at all and therefore NOT agreed to. And it can cause real criminals to get off when the evidence is stricken.
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They are not paid to search. They are rewarded when something is found. You are using the wrong words because you believe one side of the issue, and are ignoring facts.
I am telling you it is legal, and how it is legal, because your argument only works on people who agree with you. When you argue with incorrect facts, you make no progress.
When a TSA agent sets someone aside, not based on a randomization algo, but because the person is "acting suspiciously", that is legal. There is no standard for what should
Re: I guess I know where all those DEA Profits wi (Score:3)
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I'm talking about the goddam law, because people keep saying "illegal" or "unconstitutional" you shitgoblin. Psychology is not an issue.
If you have some actual law to spout, do it now, or shut the fuck up. If you have standing, then sue and fix this for all of us. Otherwise, you aren't helping. Fuck off into fantasy land, and tell the Olsen twins I said hi.
You're wrong, and your beliefs make you think you're not. When that happens, it is time for learning to occur. So learn the law and quit sounding
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Where in the 4th Amenment does it apply only to agents of law enforcement? TSA is already doing illegal searches.
TSA searches aren't illegal. The Supreme Court upheld this sort of thing as an exception to the 4th Amendment long ago. Same for sobriety checkpoints on the roads, random searches for mass transit, and other similar things.
Paying people to search bags for criminal evidence does not fall under the social exemption and is illegal.
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When people are being pulled because someone was paid to pull you...that means there was something other than 'suspicion' involved. And, yes, that is illegal.
This is the bullshit that causes actual criminals to get off on technicalities. It makes us LESS safe.
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When the payment is available it changes the justification for the search. If I'm legally traveling with 10K in cash and they report me to the DEA...that's still illegal.
Here's an idea (Score:4, Insightful)
We should let these guys in government decide which news is "real" and which is "fake". Or, if you need a 1st Amendment workaround, hire Facebook and Google to decide.
Since this wasn't a line item in the budget ... (Score:3)
This wasn't a line item in their budget (or it would have been hard to keep it secret), this raises a few questions.
1. Where did the payments come from?
2. Were the recipients "protected" from tax audits so as to keep the source of the money secret?
If these weren't being paid under the table, the employer would know because of income tax withholding adjustments based on total income. "Gee, we now have to withhold 90% of this guys' pay and increase his contributions to social security because of his increased income from employment ... sounds suspicious to me."
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1. Build up civil forfeiture slush fund using otherwise line-item budget methods, i.e. old-fashioned police state tactics
2. Use non-budget line-item slush fund to bribe airport employees
3. Collect more civil forfeiture funds
4. Go to step 2
You now have a perpetual motion machine of slush fund generation with zero budget oversight.
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They still could have declared it as "payment for services rendered", or even "earnings from work as a law enforcement informant". The IRS doesn't care where the money you earned came from. If you declare it and pay your taxes on it, they're satisfied.
Security Theater (Score:2)
We said they were lying and they were lying. It's the nature of the beast.
But maybe next time Lucy will hold the ball in place, right?
Stop being afraid - it clouds your judgement.
Paid Informants=Planted Evidence (Score:2, Interesting)
Makes you wonder how much planting of evidence the guy who made over $1 million did?
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Not really. They only got a portion of the haul. There's no reason to plant a million bucks if you're only going to get $150k back from the government.
Yes really. Although they only get a portion of the haul, that's not how they pay informants. You see, real informants are risking their lives, their health, or at least their local "connection". The DEA has to really make it worth their while.
If some guy manages to milk them like a sucker, well, I don't know. . . I don't know what the consequences for people with dope sneaked into their luggage would be...
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If you read the article you'd see that's exactly how they paid informants.
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If you read the article you'd see that's exactly how they paid informants.
Seems like somebody would have a pretty solid RICO case against the United States Federal government. And wouldn't that be interesting to see litigated in open court?
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If you read the article you'd see that's exactly how they paid informants.
I missed that. Thanks.
I wonder, however, if it could have been a lucrative way to fence stolen items? What %-of-value do pawn shops usually offer?
Should require a criminal conviction like Nebraska (Score:2)
Illegal on what theory? (Score:2)
OK, I'm not at all a fan of government's ever-expanding power to search whatever they want, whenever they want. But I don't see how searching checked luggage going onto an airplane, which is subject to X-Ray inspection and specifically subject to search, is "illegal."
Let's see what TFA says:
Methodology (Score:4, Insightful)
I wonder why the DEA isn't just going and buy the stuff directly from the dealers, instead of doing it this complicated way.
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I wonder if they're not selling to the dealers in the first place.
There have been cases where lack of coordination has led a bust by an an undercover drug 'buyer' who purchased from an undercover drug 'dealer' (who was climbing the ladder towards the head of the snake, or something). That is, local investigation versus DEA-level.
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Ramp rats being PAID to steal from our luggage? (Score:2)
Nice government work if you can get it. Let's hope the stink this revelation will create gives the new administration the incentive to eliminate one of our most hated three-letter agencies.
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Let's hope the stink this revelation will create gives the new administration the incentive to eliminate one of our most hated three-letter agencies.
Say what? I'm sure the new administration will cut the DEA even more slack and give them more power. Then the DEA may come after you, 'cause it's obvious that you're smoking something you didn't buy at the local convenience store.
Another example of gross overreach (Score:2)
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Should you care? (Score:2)
HGere's a crazy idea (Score:5, Informative)
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Re: HGere's a crazy idea (Score:2)
The keyword is "unreasonable" and in a world where any number of things can cause serious harm aboard an airplane, people lose that argument. Hard. Travel by air? Your luggage is going to get searched. You are going to get searched. Even if you managed to get some idea for a plane that flew without all that security past the objections that you'd face, the people on land who you could hit would leave you as dead as Baldur.
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Even if you managed to get some idea for a plane that flew without all that security past the objections that you'd face
It's called general aviation. Get your own pilot's license and buy your own plane. Don't carry paying passengers and you can carry anything you are allowed to legally possess.
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Here is the thing, piles of cash and bricks of coke may be illegal but they are not threats to a plane.
Guy with a gun, maybe. Plenty of cops carry guns and nobody thinks twice so I don't think merely having a gun is dangerous. Intent makes the difference.
Guy with a bomb, well yes, we probably can say he is a threat to the plane. But somebody with a bag full of cash is not. What the hell are they going to do, buy a lot of food from the fight attendants or spend something on Skymall? Oh shit. The ho
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Oh jeez, this kind of self-righteous prattle always comes up whenever the issue of border searches and customs comes on Slashdot. The laws which empower the government to secure its borders stretch all the way back to the beginning of the republic and has been upheld in case law just as long. It's pointless to argue the constitutionality of the searches by authorized law enforcement an customs officials because they've been found to be constitutional countless times over. The issues surround whether airline
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>Last time I checked though, flying from Salt Lake City to Cincinnati doesn't bring travelers within 100 miles of any US border, let alone a border checkpoint, so Customs shouldn't EVER come into that discussion.
No, but the OP's "muh 4th amendment!" seemed to bring into question any searches that occur at airports, bus terminals, or train stations. My point is that Congress and the courts allow for a less rigorous application of the 4th amendment protections (exemptions) in those areas, and that arguing
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Never heard of that. A soda-can bomb would be about as powerful as a grenade, which means probably very unlikely to take down a plane all by itself.
Only twelve percent? (Score:2)
The IRS pays 30%.
Funny stuf (Score:2)
Like anything FedGov does is 'illegal' anymore. Funnie stuff. My aching sides.
Guess it's just market forces at work (Score:2)
At least this is not the border patrol; it just feels that way.
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I used to put broken rusted razor blades and needles dipped in shit in my baggage. Sometimes I would notice traces of blood on them while opening it. I feel a warm fuzzy feeling inside thinking of anyone rummaging through my shit dying of gangrene, rotten flesh sloughing off their decaying bodies.
They can have my weed... (Score:4, Insightful)
...when they scrape it off my cold, dead lungs.
Orwell was too narrow in how omnipresent and omniscient Big Brother is.
Post screening check (Score:2)
One time I was waiting at a gate for a plane (after having gone through the security checkpoint) and there were TSA agents lurking at the gate. They told me they wanted to do a "secondary security check". I let them go through my stuff (Did I have a choice?).
In retrospect, they were probably not really interested in security. I'm just an average white guy so no racial profiling going on.
Inadmissible evidence (Score:3)
There are two things going on there, both really bad.
One, we apparently have non-sworn, non-law enforcement employees doing searches and making inspections where they have an incentive to "find stuff" for direct payout.
Two, all of this bullshit is taking place within the DEA/FBI/US Government's already well-known policies and practices of presumptive guilt on cash or people which results in seizures of private property, like currency, under the purely speculative claims that it may be drug-related.
It's not even just piles of cash. They now routinely run your credit and debit cards and can and do seize your entire bank account balances merely because you had an ATM card with access to money. Never mind how you got it. Maybe you have a six-figure job. Maybe you won a lottery or maybe you are just wealthy. Doesn't matter. They can and will take it all.
Presumptive seizures were already a travesty. But now we have low wage flunkies sniffing around too. Are these people even able to testify in court? I've never heard of a drug case where the primary witness was an Amtrak porter or something. But hell, many of these cases never even GET to court because they do the presumptive guilt thing and it's all over.
This isn't Trump's fault. It's been going on for decades and nobody has stopped it because the damn agencies get to keep the money and fuck all if you get between them and money they want, even if it is your legally earned money. Their job is to send people to prison.
Easy peasy ... (Score:5, Funny)
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Or just stop trying to police your neighbors' lives.
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If you have a legitimate complaint about your actual neighbors, file a lawsuit against them in your local courts. We don't need laws policing almost everything everyone does just because you make up stories about things you imagine someone might do.
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But seriously, lawsuits can't succeed without laws
Lawsuits succeed based on proving you were actually harmed and that the actual harm was wrongful. It takes very few laws and only a little enforcement. Local judges have been settling disputes between neighbors for many centuries.
none of my examples require imagination, they're real
You should have no problem proving them in court then. You don't need to police your neighbors' private actions because (unless you are a liar) you have proof that their actions aren't private and that they actually harmed you.
Everyone else who is minding their own business shou
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... it imposes a further burden upon me
Yeah, you want your neighbors threatened with violence by the authorities. You should face a substantial burden to get that. Using threats and violence against people shouldn't be casual or whimsical.
That's why policing comes before, not just after.
Casually threatening people with violence. About things they might or might not be doing, that might or might not affect you. That's what you're arguing for. (Maybe you're just an evil person -- who knows?)
That's why we get stories like this, where the police casually and routinely violate everyone's Consti
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... So just what has the DEA done that benefits the US?
Well, they've contributed massively to jobs and the economy. Just think of all those private prisons whose sole purpose is pretty much to house people who either used and/or sold drugs, or were railroaded - that's a massive boost to the construction industry, and to the guards and administrators who might not otherwise get jobs. And don't forget all those law enforcement officers and administrators - major jobs there. Then there's civil forfeiture - it's difficult to justify stealing people's money and stuf
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Ludes man! (Score:2)
Ludes.
Ludes are gone. The DEA did win one skirmish.
Of course, today there is, no doubt, a very similar test chem. Saying they had a positive effect is a big stretch.
Ludes are just one of very many 'staggers'.