Verizon Executive Says Company Unsure About Yahoo Deal (reuters.com) 70
A senior executive of Verizon said on Thursday the company was unsure about its planned acquisition of Yahoo's internet business. From a report on Reuters: "I can't sit here today and say with confidence one way or another because we still don't know," Marni Walden, president of product innovation and new businesses, said at the Citi 2017 Internet, Media & Telecommunications Conference in Las Vegas.To walk away, Verizon likely will have to show the overall value of Yahoo has declined as a result of the two hacking disclosures. "I have to have certain facts in order to be able to make a decision," she told WSJ. "There's a lot of stuff we don't know."
Security is just a cost with no upside? (Score:2)
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It's already cost a billion $ in lower offer. It might still cost them the rest.
I think this is a very good thing. A company needs to be made an example of, Yahoo can disappear and nothing of value will be lost.
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Get a new job while you still have one. Yahoo is not yet the resume stain it should be.
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Only if you live a bad life and the universe punishes you by moving you down (according to karma theory; 'dot indian' beliefs).
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Fuck you bud. People still work there, some with no choice due to visas. Go to hell.
Okay then, f*** the millions of people that had their identity exposed by Yahoo's lame security practices. Right?
If it's cheaper to have lax security and let breaches happen, companies will do that. The only way they'll stop is when it it's cheaper to have good security. The *only* thing a corporation understands is money.
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Try "bigfully" rather than "bigly" next time.
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ALL words are made up.
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ALL words are made up.
Right! Common use comes from social agreemification.
Then the people that create dictionaries have to play catch-up.
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Bah, these neologisms. "... its suckfullness was embiggened and enstrongulated by ... " The traditional words just sound better.
Enpostifacted Typiddling. (Score:2)
Stop misfancifying things. I find it all too condrumical.
Run, don't walk. (Score:1)
"To walk away, Verizon likely will have to show the overall value of Yahoo has declined as a result of the two hacking disclosures."
Just buy their user database from the hackers and cut out the middleman, right?
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Yup. Verizon is only interested in the buyout for the user data. That user data is available for a song now on the "dark web", and advertisers who are interested in it already have a copy.
How do you go below zero? (Score:2)
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The key question is: How much are the Alibaba holdings really worth.
China says you can't sell them, marking them to the Shanghai market is fiction.
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Verizon can't just roll with some smartass reporter's comments about the drop in value.
They have to be prepared to prove it in court if they back out of the agreement.
I'm fairly sure that Yahoo is worthless as a tech company, but the contract probably has a lot of conditions and stipulations in it. This isn't like returning a TV to Best Buy when it doesn't work the way you thought it would.
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If Verizon can show 'bad faith' on Yahoo's part regarding disclosure of known hacks/data breaches, they are out of the deal for a lawyer bill the will likely be 1% of the losses they avoid. Which is still a big old shyster bill.
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The deal hasn't closed. We'll see what they get in the end.
If you make an offer on a house, enter escrow, then learn the house has termites (the owner knew it and didn't disclose) the offer becomes, more or less, meaningless. Depending on the state you live in and the contingencies you wrote into the offer.
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That is because it impacts the material value or use of the asset. If for example you take a later walkthru after making an offer and go, you know I did not realize that wallpaper upstairs was blue, It looked green in the afternoon light the other day. You would find yourself threatened with breach of contract.
I am incline to argue in the case of yahoo here that security isn't important! Really how many users are going to leave Y-mail because of the breaches? How many are going to stop using yahoo.com a
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If you make an offer on a house, enter escrow, then learn the house has termites (the owner knew it and didn't disclose) the offer becomes, more or less, meaningless. Depending on the state you live in and the contingencies you wrote into the offer.
IANAL, but I'm pretty sure buying a house and buying a corporation have different legal terms. But nice analogy anyhow.
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You have to deeply discount anything traded on Shanghai. Chinese market rules say you can't sell your holdings unless they are tiny.
Somebody should set up an alternate market for Shanghai traded stocks, after hours, outside China. Think of the arbitrage opportunities.
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This, of course, exists. It wasn't reasonable to set up until China allowed direct outsider ownership of Chinese stocks, which was a recent change, but arbitrage opportunities are rarely missed. More practically, there are some useful ETFs that trade on US exchanges in US hours. E.g., I use CQQQ to get exposure to companies like Tencent, Alibaba, and Baidu. Whether that's a smart investment is a different question, but it's a very practical one.
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Could Yahoo dump their Alibaba holdings on those markets (giving the 'may you have many sons' gesture to the Chinese regulators)? Obviously any such large sale would move the market. I'm thinking the volumes would be far too thin to be practical.
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Nope: the total stock held by these special markets is a small percentage of the total stock. No way to sell 20% of a company that way.
Not hand-wavey dollars (Score:2)
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Looks more like self loathing liberals who can't really afford to come out of the closet and making shit up to sound "Republican". I mean, after all Trump is a Racist, Bigot, Homophobe, but the four Chicago assholes torturing a guy with mental deficiencies is ... a non-story. He deserved it being "white" and because Trump is a racist.
Re:Still think female CEO's are cool, kids? (Score:4, Informative)
[...] but the four Chicago assholes torturing a guy with mental deficiencies is ... a non-story.
That's funny. I found your "non-story" on the front page of the NY Times website.
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/us/chicago-racially-charged-attack-video.html [nytimes.com]
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I just looked at the www.nytimes.com and found the article linked on the front page, not actually ON the front page. Here is the whole tidbit as it appears on the Front Page of the NY TIMES website ... as of 11:25 PST.
The Chicago police questioned four black people after a video circulated of a white teenager who was tied up and beaten by a group shouting anti-white messages
Yeah, it is a "non-story" buried so far down the page (and off to the side) that it is being covered, but as minimally as possible.
I am not going to change your opinion, I realize that.
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Yeah, it is a "non-story" buried so far down the page (and off to the side) that it is being covered, but as minimally as possible.
It's yesterday's news... You expect it to be on the front page forever?
I am not going to change your opinion, I realize that.
I realize that everyone want their biases and prejudices to make the front page, but that's now how journalism works. If it bleeds, it leads. Yesterday's beating isn't bleeding today.
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Top Story .. "RUSSIANS HACKED THE ELECTION" proves this point completely false. Care to try again?
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Your "non-story" is on the front page again, as a new story for today and the link to yesterday's story.
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/chicago-racially-charged-attack-video.html [nytimes.com]
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I mean, after all Trump is a Racist, Bigot, Homophobe, but the four Chicago assholes torturing a guy with mental deficiencies is ... a non-story.
What? It was on both NBC and CBS national news broadcasts last night. I'm positive without even looking that it was on FOX News. At this moment, it's the prominent top story on CNN [imgur.com] ("Hate Crime Charges. 4 charged for Facebook Live torture of special-needs teen"), the #2 story on NBCNews.com [archive.fo] ("Teens in Facebook Torture Video Face Hate Crime Charges") and above the fold on CBSNews.com [archive.fo] ("Hate crime charges in attack live-streamed on Facebook. Four black suspects are in custody in the attack on a mentally disab
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Time to anoint Marissa with another raise for "doing such a great job".
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Republicans don't have homos [...]
*cough* Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho) *cough*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal [wikipedia.org]
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The party of moral values alright.
Especially when it comes to restrooms.
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Most CEOs are shit that don't really do anything to justify their ridiculous salaries.
She inherited a sinking ship, and it continued sinking under her watch.
She fits right in and proves that women are on the same level as men.
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But....but.....her magic vagina was supposed to solve all our problems. The liberals PROMISED!
Hey, now, She drove Yahoo into the ground just as efficiently and dramatically as any male CEO could have! She also vacuumed up huge amounts (bigly!) of investor money. Truly, as competent as any male CEO. What did you imagine the skill set of a CEO was?
Make the deal (Score:2)
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The difference in value between MS's offer, Verizon's initial offer, Verizon's current offer and the nickel they eventually get for the shithole will serve as a lesson to all the world's MBAs.
It has to happen, now is good.
Yahoo is dead (Score:1)
Let it rest in peace.
What if we brought Marissa back? (Score:2)
Yahoo: Even if we brought Carly...er...I mean Marissa back to run the division?
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Verizon: Will Marissa provide "lattes" to our current board of directors?
If Verizon is smart.... (Score:2)
and I know it's a Telco, but work with me here...they will run, not walk, away from this deal. Yahoo had very little to offer even before the security debacle. At this point I would value Yahoo as something akin to a few practice jerseys and a bucket of pucks. In other words, practically nothing.
I don't really care either way but the thought of that devious bitch of a CEO making off with millions after hiding the security hackings from their customers, not to mention Verizon, makes me ill.