Disney, YouTube Cut Ties With PewDiePie, Top YouTube Submitter, Over Anti-Semitic Videos (techcrunch.com) 363
jo7hs2 writes: Disney's Maker Studios has cut ties PewDiePie, the YouTube submitter with 53 million subscribers, over anti-Semitic clips the submitter released earlier in the year. The clips, three videos published in January, have since been removed from the channel. According to TechCrunch, "They included one skit in which [Felix Kjellberg, PewDiePie's real name] paid a Sri Lanka-based group of men to hold up a sign that read 'Death to All Jews,' while another featured a clip of a man dressed as Jesus saying that 'Hitler did absolutely nothing wrong.' Kjellberg used freelance job finding site Fiverr for both clips. He argued that he wasn't serious with either and instead wanted to show the things people will do for money." A spokesperson for Maker Studios, which was acquired by Disney in 2014, told the Wall Street Journal, "Although Felix has created a following by being provocative and irreverent, he clearly went too far in this case and the resulting videos are inappropriate." Writing on his Tumblr blog, Kjellberg said the purpose of the examples was "to show how crazy the modern world is, specifically some of the services available online." He continued, "I picked something that seemed absurd to me -- That people on Fiverr would say anything for 5 dollars. I think it's important to say something and I want to make one thing clear: I am in no way supporting any kind of hateful attitudes."
UPDATE 2/14/17: YouTube has also cut ties with Kjellberg. A YouTube representative confirmed to Business Insider that the company has canceled its YouTube Red original show starring Kjellberg. Business Insider reports: "Kjellberg's show, 'Scare PewDiePie,' was a YouTube original accessible through the company's subscription service, YouTube Red. The show was about to premiere its second season. YouTube is also removing Kjellberg from Google's preferred advertising program, which helps the platform's most popular personalities attract bigger advertisers."
UPDATE 2/14/17: YouTube has also cut ties with Kjellberg. A YouTube representative confirmed to Business Insider that the company has canceled its YouTube Red original show starring Kjellberg. Business Insider reports: "Kjellberg's show, 'Scare PewDiePie,' was a YouTube original accessible through the company's subscription service, YouTube Red. The show was about to premiere its second season. YouTube is also removing Kjellberg from Google's preferred advertising program, which helps the platform's most popular personalities attract bigger advertisers."
Who cares? (Score:4, Informative)
Slashdot: "Celebrity" gossip. Stuff that doesn't matter.
Video here (Score:2, Informative)
Just in case anyone was wondering, you can find the video in question here. I've skipped to the relevant part, but the whole video is him going WTF over just what people will do for a few bucks on Fiverr:
https://youtu.be/KtxXKezbQ9w?t=660 [youtu.be]
"I am sorry. I didn't think they would actually do it."
"I don't feel too proud of this, I'm not going to lie."
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I never heard of him until a south park episode a few years back (and haven't heard the name since) but even though I'm not a fan of his, I think the reaction is overkill. He could always move to a youtube competitor; if he has THAT many viewers, it would pull a lot of users away from youtube and wouldn't surprise me if they went out of their way to get him back.
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He could always move to a youtube competitor;
So vimeo then?
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Re: Video here (Score:3)
Very much this.
Spoiled by his success he complains about people who are broke enough to act out his stupid ideas for $5.
He seems like the emperors brat who's having fun because the paws will dance to the rhythm of his clapping hands.
There is good potential for enlightening in this situation, though.
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Youtube's highest paid content creator (and conversely highest earning content creator for YouTube) was cut over pressure from a partner corporation (which in turn came from the ironic, , via a pessimistic (mis)interpretation of an entertainment video? It is geek news. The trolls implying that he might possibly be antisemitic are just perpetuating the status quo, in promoting that there are more than seven words you can't say.
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You can't serious spin this as some kind of politically correct overreaction or trolling. Disney is extremely conservative, everyone knows this, PewDiePie knew it when he partnered with them. So expecting a video with guys holding "death to Jews" signs up to be okay with them was dumb at best.
Once again, it must be pointed out that Youtube does host a huge amount of far right neo-Nazi Jew hating material. That doesn't give anyone the right to be paid to produce it.
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Disney is extremely conservative, everyone knows this,
And here I am looking at the Disney channel, and ABC news. You're calling that conservative? Okie dokie there. If the Disney channel got any more progressive with one of their main revenue streams, I'd be wondering if they were pushing pro-pedophilia or pro-hebephilia stances. Guess what though? This entire thing has backfired. Not on PewDiePie, on disney, the media in general. And it just redpilled an entire swath of GenZ to hate the media. Good job, and you're wondering why the left is moving to i
Been Critical of Both the Press and Youtube (Score:2)
Pretty good analysis by Sargon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Before the internet (and, ironically, Youtube itself) this kind of smear campaign would have worked without a hitch, and I'm sure it galls the MSM that he has a platform to respond at all.
Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful)
Who. Fucking. Cares? What is a PewDiePie? This is news?
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I care, because there is a chance YT will stop spamming this retards videos into my recommend feed like they were somehow thematically similar to the clip I currently watch (oscilloscope repair for example).
You aren't training your feed properly. (Score:3, Interesting)
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Strangely I never get either of those things. I have quite a few channel subscriptions and uBlock/Privacy Badger.
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It doesnt work (probably because I told YT to not save my history, which somehow doesnt stop them from building a profile on me and suggesting garbage).
Pewretarddie, h3whatever, 10funnycompilationssomething, someotherrandombro13, day in day out same fucktards are being pushed into my recommended.
Re:Who cares? (Score:4, Insightful)
Semetic? (Score:2, Informative)
'm having a hard time figuring out whether it was the author, of one of our less literate editors, though...
Re:Semetic? (Score:5, Funny)
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If being anti-Symantec is a crime, then there can't be many innocent techies in all the world.
Judging by his name (Score:2)
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Who said a Jew can't be anti-Semitic?
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> with this definition (racism=prejudice+discrimination) it makes sense to say blacks can't be racist.
No, it does not.
> Definitions can't be wrong, they may be confusing or useless, but not wrong.
Incorrect, they can be internally inconsistent, or contrary to other positions held by the same individuals or group, unfair, prejudicial themselves and so on.
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with this definition (racism=prejudice+discrimination) it makes sense to say blacks can't be racist.
No, it does not.
The original statement might not be true, but it is not nonsense. At least give a good counterexample. Outright dismissal gives impression that you have a belief without justification.
[Definitions], they can be internally inconsistent, or contrary to other positions held by the same individuals or group, unfair, prejudicial themselves and so on.
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Time to work with primary sources. I assume(*) you meant video "5 Things You Should Know About Racism [youtu.be]" (3:28 - 5:08). The point of the video was that for racism to work it need institutional support. She did not claim that black people can't possibly be racist. If you know a state where institutions are run by blacks and are discriminating against whites, that would be your counterexample. For inspiration, Chinese institutions discriminate against non Chinese. Perhaps South Africa is doing the something sim
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That's simply untrue. [scotusblog.com]
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USA has no institutions that oppress whites in favour of blacks
What about universities that preferentially accept blacks with lower test scores than whites?
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I'd say there's a fair chance Mr. Kjellberg *is* Jewish [...]
No.
'Berg' is very common in Swedish surnames. It translates as 'mountain'.
disney are idiots (Score:4, Insightful)
pewdiepie shaved his ass and sent the hair off so someone could bake a cake ..and for valentine's day video had humping penis's for 5 mins ...100s of video along same lines ...and disney didn't care ....but the fiver video was the (((last straw))) ...lol hypocrites
Re:disney are idiots (Score:5, Interesting)
You don't have to agree that one is more offensive than the other, but to ignore that the two cases are different isn't particularly productive.
And on the other end of the spectrum you have stuff like South Park, which basically tries to be offensive by targeting *every* group; in some strange egalitarian sense, this makes it "less offensive," as the motives are clearly for humor, rather than hatred towards a specific group.
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Well, South Park does get a lot more leeway precisely because it is an equal-opportunity offender. But while Comic Central generally lets Parker and Stone do whatever they want, they have nailed them a few times. Still, I often find that South Park, despite being a bit caustic, is rarely ever outright cruel (okay, Paris Hilton being shoved up Slave's ass might be pretty cruel). But it is a fine line, and there's an art to satire, particularly when it involves risque subjects. I keep thinking back to the Mon
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Er, I mean Comedy Central... Real brainfart there
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There's a difference between being generically offensive, and being offensive by targeting specific groups.
Sounds like he's been fairly equally offensive to all groups. Fact someone found 1 out of a thousand videos more offensive to X doesn't mean X was targeted.
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I like the two Disney Star Wars films, especially Rogue One... and is George Lucas dead? Didn't they hand him literal boatloads of money for the Star Wars IP? Lucas isn't rolling in his grave, he's laughing all the way to the bank.
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And thank goodness he took the money and then Disney showed him the door. The prequels were all the argument anyone needs to show Lucas was turning Star Wars to shit.
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The prequels were all the argument anyone needs to show Lucas was turning Star Wars to shit.
At least they were memorable. The Disney ones will be entirely forgotten in 5 years. No memes...no quotable lines. They're entertaining to watch, sure, but whatever made Star Wars "Star Wars" is gone. It's just a corporate product by committee now.
Re:disney are idiots (Score:5, Insightful)
"There are no possible jokes that can be made about the Holocaust."
Please. Tragedy plus Time equals Comedy. Anyone can joke about anything. The real joke as of current, speaking of time, is your disingenuous nonsense.
"The fact that you do not understand why this is so shows that you are at risk of something like it happening in your lifetime."
You mean the several other genocides which have happened since WWII, most fucking recent one being the Srebrenica massacre? That you're so blind to think that not one other genocide has happened, let alone in their lifetime, is yet another comedic tragedy, and it's your ignorance that perpetuates and furthers the possibility of these genocides happening.
"How could it be that less than a year ago it would be unimaginable that you could end up dying in a chemical weapons attack in Iran?"
Bullshit, son. They've got ammonia and bleach and aluminum over there, in great fucking quantities. Chlorine gas is easily manufactured in the home, and is ALWAYS a persistent threat due to the ready availability of the three substances needed. Yet another comedic example of your tragic dysfunctional logic processes. Looks like you can only go one or two steps ahead - you'd be a poor chess player.
"How do you feel about going off to fight Iran?"
You know exactly jack about our military capability, eh? Roughly three days of US Air Superiority would guarantee that it wouldn't be much of a fucking fight, let me tell you. It would essentially be as simple as rolling in and dropping the conventional explosives equivalent of a few nukes. Reality, we could simply take the entirety of the Middle East within two weeks, spend about a year fighting a ground war wiping out every possible bit of opposition using our advanced satellite technology to track targets and scan for them, and then that area is simply ours.
Assuming one had a competent leader and plan for them to execute, anyways. Can't say that with our current chief-of-leaks.
"You have absolutely no idea how easy it is for society to turn on a pin and exterminate millions of people."
I'm pretty sure the entire world was watching our election and is just waiting for the second part to happen.
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You know exactly jack about our military capability, eh? Roughly three days of US Air Superiority would guarantee that it wouldn't be much of a fucking fight, let me tell you.
Just park a couple of destroyers in the Gulf of Oman, blow up anything going to or from Iran and wait a few weeks.
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There are no possible jokes that can be made about the Holocaust.
I thought we were finally over this nonsense [youtube.com].
umadbro?
Works better than expected (Score:4, Insightful)
[He] wanted to show the things people will do for money.
It worked better than he expected. Much better.
He actually exposed the hypocrisy of the loony-left media-industrial propaganda complex and the things they will do for money.
The media-industrial complex has been accused to be ignorant as to why it lost belly-up in Nov 2016. The reality is that there is no such ignorance. Instead it chooses to be the bitch of the loony hyperliberal special interest which actively stifles anything not conforming to its slave ideology.
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media-industrial complex
You realize this is a nonsense phrase without meaning, right? And that you sound like a mindless dolt undermining any other points you might be making when you repeatedly parrot it? Okay.
Re:Works better than expected (Score:5, Insightful)
Think most people missed what his 'message' was. You can hire people say whatever you want. It doesn't even cost much. Somehow people want to pretend it is not going on.
Yes what he did was racist. But he also has a bigger message that most people seem to want to ignore. You can *BUY* whatever narrative you want. That is not a good thing. Hell he bought it for 5 bucks a head.
Think some billionaire with a chip on his shoulder wouldn't do the exact same thing? If not why not?
I personally think exactly that has been going on for a long time. My wife decided to donate to one of these organizations once. Holy hell, did we get real spam mail for years. I am talking 10-15 per week. All of these 'grass roots' organizations are clearly thinly veiled money laundering schemes for rich people to push whatever narrative they want. The DNC itself in the past year has been caught on tape many times buying trouble. I have 0 doubt the RNC does the exact same thing.
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racist
My ass.
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Are we going to outlaw jokes about the American Revolution? Jokes about the Ancient Egyptians? At what point are people not allowed to be offended by something that did not occur in your lifetime and is a part of the history books? This group above is not denying the Holocaust or Nazi-ism. It is a parody.
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They'd probably be what the SA was. Use them while you need them, then cut them up when they get uppity and want a share of the cake.
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Protip: The brown shirt fascists are the ones protesting against free speech, assaulting people, and lighting shit on fire while screaming obscenities at anyone who doesn't buy into their ideology 100%.
Irreverent vs. Inappropriate (Score:5, Interesting)
It's funny how one of these words has a positive connotation, and the other one a negative. This, despite the fact that opposing groups might apply each term to the same content. All inappropriate means in a context where one is praising someone for irreverence is that the irreverence was applied to a preferred group.
I am reminded of Isaac Hayes's objection to South Park's irreverence toward Scientology.
Re:Irreverent vs. Inappropriate (Score:5, Informative)
Generally, in the post-WWII Western world, making Holocaust jokes or anti-Jewish jokes is seen at the very least in pretty poor taste, and it is indeed the kind of thing that could see people lose sponsorships, jobs, etc. Mel Gibson has been trying to like a bastard to rebuild his career or 10 years after the whole "Jews start all the wars" drunken rant, and while it seems like Hollywood is prepared to give him yet another chance, he'll be dogged by that (and that crazy-ass phone call to his ex-girlfriend, which in some ways I found a whole lot more disturbing) until the day he dies.
Every society has its taboo subjects, some taboo for idiotic reasons (like say, blasphemy and heresy), and some probably for good reasons. In general attacking Jews or mocking or denying the Holocaust are seen as pretty bad because it is feared, not entirely without justification, that latent anti-Semitism inevitably ends up in some sort of pogrom (that's pretty much been the history of the Jews for at least two thousand years, even longer if you buy pre-Hellenic tales of woe). Now, in places like Germany and Austria, that sort of thing is likely to get you thrown in jail, but in the US, the state has no role in determining whether speech is allowed or not, save within a pretty narrow scope of circumstances. That doesn't, however, bind private actors like citizens or corporations from disassociating themselves from people who make anti-Semitic statements.
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My objection is to the corporate speak and the hypocrisy it allows people to rationalize. One shouldn't praise 'irreverence' as something great and courageous, on the one hand, but reject the speech of others as 'inappropriate' once it's applied to one's own sacred cows.
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I'm not going to go out of my way to defend Disney. I find them among the most crass of corporations, taking in cultural motifs and beloved tales and putting them through a sausage grinder to produce such awful dreck as Pocahontas and Mulan. At the same time, I can say quite honestly that if one of my staff made Youtube blatantly anti-Semitic Youtube videos, he'd be gone in a hurry. I believe in free speech, so I suppose to some extent that makes me a hypocrite, but my personal philosophy and the necessitie
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Yep. Me too.
Nope. I don't think you are. It's quite simple: "We've chosen to dissociate ourselves with Mr. Kjellberg because his actions do not reflect the values and attitudes of Disney." I'm not objecting to their dissociation, and I think what I just offered is at least passable
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My objection is to the implicit approval of praising 'irreverence'. I really don't think PewDiePie meant any harm. But its precisely a culture that praises irreverence as a good in itself which leads to irreverent and, sooner or later, 'inappropriate' speech.
^ This. The last twenty years has seen a huge rise in the comedy/entertainment of irreverence. And when done well it can make an important point (Brasseye's celebrity endorsements being the best example I can think of). But the worst of it is when it simply exploits people for entertainment. Or when any 'message' is so obvious as to not need saying in the first place.
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No it doesn't. That's a right-wing frame, don't buy it. Free speech automatically implies freedom of association: no-one can force you to stand by and listen to speech you don't want to hear.
If you are worried, you should be worried about whether or not you are abusing a power relationship to impinge on that secondary freedom (of association). But hypocrisy it is not.
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If anything is taboo you can never have discussion about it...never learn from the experience and never prevent it from happening again...also who guarantees that the taboo is " right" . Consider for instance the idea that the pope can make no mistakes....how does that sound with all the pedo scandals....it was a taboo to speak against the clergy, shall we uphold that? What about the proposed new law in Russia to criminalize criticism against the government? Do you like that taboo?
When I can't reach EU leg
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"Some things should be taboo" "All things should be taboo" nor "All taboos are good"
A taboo against posting signs that say "Death to all Jews", for example, can be a good thing. I shouldn't like legislation to that effect, but I am happy that such language is not acceptable in polite company.
No one. Taboos are a matter of social pressure and standards, not some centralized guarantor or body. The mental mechanism which causes taboos can
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But how is it that he pissed off moneyed interests? Even if we assume that Disney's management are a pack of sociopaths, the fact is the reason they responded as they did is because being associated with someone who makes anti-Semitic jokes could materially harm their interests. In other words, it is the wider society that views anti-Semitism so grimly that a company that stands by and allows itself to maintain associations with someone exhibiting anti-Semitic speech is going to get shown the door.
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But how is it that he pissed off moneyed interests?
i.e. he pissed off the jews?
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We are not talking about money as some rarified entity. Consumers have money and if some idiot's behavior interferes with the transfer of that money, then that is bad for the company.
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The two situations are not the same.
Whether it's the police cam or the voice mail, Mel Gibson showed his true colors.
In the case of this YouTuber, whether he's anti-semitic or not, it doesn't really matter. He's an idiot for not knowing Disney's usual take on things.
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"That doesn't, however, bind private actors like citizens or corporations from disassociating themselves from people who make anti-Semitic statements."
Especially when an exceptionally large proportion of the controlling entities of the entertainment business are by birth or marriage, Jewish. Not only could it be seen as offensive to some, but it's just a plain stupid business decision.
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Generally, in the post-WWII Western world, making Holocaust jokes or anti-Jewish jokes is seen at the very least in pretty poor taste
Too soon?
Sonny Bono Act (Score:2)
You could try using the three-generation rule [copyrightalliance.org] that Disney convinced the Congress to enact into law: Until 70 years after the death of the last surviving Holocaust survivor, it's too soon.
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Put more simply, "death to all jews" in a vacuum is stupid and offensive, but we don't live in a vacuum. In the context of our modern world this was an actual goal that a homicidal maniac was able to, at the very least, make significant headway toward attaining just 75 years ago. Plenty of his victims are still alive, with far more children and grandchildren, so this is still well within the collective conscience of the world and particularly the west.
It's mind boggling to me that the guy who probably has
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I hope you're just trolling. Go ask somebody in western France whether the U.S. saved Europe. Yes, Russia played a big role in dividing Germany's military might, but don't think for one minute that things would have gone the same way without the more than 125,000 Americans who gave their lives taking the beaches of Normandy.
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Russia was still shipping steel to Germany up to the morning of the invasion, and let's remember that Lend Lease was also sent to Russia, with Stalin bitching it wasn't enough on a regular basis to Churchill and Roosevelt that Churchill ordered some of the Arctic Convoys to redirect to Russian ports. And then we can talk about the Trans-Iranian Railway, where the Allies intervened in Iranian affairs to depose Reza Shah in favor of his son and everyone's favorite modernizing despotic dictator, Mohammad Reza
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I call this the Sheldon Cooper argument, essentially complaining that social norms are not completely logical and applied evenly.
The thing is, a walking encyclopedia like Sheldon should actually understand this very well. It's basically due to historic context and society over time deciding that certain issues are bad enough that they deserve some special consideration to correct.
Personally I think claims of antisemitism are made far too often, usually by Jewish people, and perhaps Disney acted a bit hastil
ironic (Score:2, Interesting)
Apparently this PewDie bro used to make money making Rape jokes videos, but apparently Maker Studios (Disney) was okay with that because of "money".
Now, as a "joke", this bro paid random people to $5 (on fiver) to record themselves holding antisemitic signs and felt remorse...
So, by using fiver to point out that anyone will do anything for money, but probably later regret it, he pointed out to Disney their course of action...
I just can't feel sorry for the bro ;^)
Good work (Score:3, Informative)
Two thoughts. When you cater to whims of the easily offended, they do not become less offended, they find more things to be offended about.
Y'all easily offended just clean up your little corner of the room, arranging everything meticulously and making it perfect and pure - while other people elect the people you like the least.
Now I'm going to go to Youtube and watch some Bill Maher and Louis CK.
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Oh yes, when in the company of the easily offended, where the true suffering is the folks trying to be reasonable, I propose that the most polite thing to do is to offend the offendees as soon as possible and get it out of the way. The intent being, of course, to provide perspective for the honest innocents who were trying to be rational.
Background - my family is Catholic. All of us have a pretty good sense of humor. Sooo on facebook I posted a picture of a pomeranian dog dressed in a Pope outfit. My relatives all thought it was both cute as all gitout, and funny as well. And it was.
Well, an old GF posted how she found it really offensive.
This pretty much sums up the snowflakes issue. They spend too much time being offended for other people. I have some discretion - I'm not going to tell dead baby jokes to pregnant women, but serio
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This pretty much sums up the snowflakes issue.
You seem to be rather offended by GF offence. Let it go.
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Bill Maher and Louis CK.
old Jews who kvetch about old people's problems and how socialism is the solution to everything but stupid people don't want it for some reason
As long as you are offended, that's fine by me.
So? (Score:5, Informative)
News at 11.
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I've embraced them. I download torrents of all their movies and watch them with great interest. I try not to miss a one. Very loyal, yesiree.
Hmmm. Where _have_ I heard this situation? (Score:2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Oh, yeah.
Folks, extremism is extremism and is not a virtue; and moderation and considered judgement is. It is a rare thing to find anything "always" or "never".
that's private business for you (Score:2)
If you do something that my business finds distasteful, I'm free to fire your ass. Isn't this exactly the freedom from government restrictions on how I choose to run my business that the right wants?
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Isn't this exactly the freedom from government restrictions on how I choose to run my business that the right wants?
Half. I don't want the government forcing Christians to bake gay wedding cakes either. I spent a decade yelling at Christians to stop trying to force their shit on the gays, only to have the gays turn around and force their shit on the Christians. I'm beginning to think libertarian society is impossible because authority is too addictive.
Bullshit (Score:4, Interesting)
This is a lot of bullshit. He was making a joke, it's very obvious. He wasn't espousing racist beliefs. Youtube and Disney took the clips out of context. Watch this video about the ordeal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLNSiFrS3n4 [youtube.com]
This also happened to another streaming personality, Destiny. He was having a debate about racism (he's against it), and said something along the lines of "If you're argument is 'n*ggers are too dumb to do X, Y and Z, then blah blah'. Speaking in the 3rd person; speaking as the very racists he's combating. I guess the N word is to controversial to say in any context, he was banned from Twitch.
And now I'm having trouble posting this because of the lameness filter! I can't say the N word here for the same reason! Jesus fuck! Yes I'm trying to say the full N word, no I'm not a racist, I'm sorry if you're offended, but fuck you for changing my speech.
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I started bitching about this a week ago when they had some stupid fucking ad about "vuln detection". It was a terrible ad, and who the fuck uses the contraction "vuln" for "vulnerability"?
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I started bitching about this a week ago when they had some stupid fucking ad about "vuln detection". It was a terrible ad, and who the fuck uses the contraction "vuln" for "vulnerability"?
Apparently people who are "woke" or maybe "creatives".
I got your attention. Good. (Score:2)
Re:Mickey Maus (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually although this is meant to be funny it is not and neither was what Pewdiepie did either. I understand that for people under the age of thirty "Ironic" means that you can say anything. There are still a few older people around who are too square for that daddy o. There are some things that happened in the second world war that scared the fucking shit out of most of the planet when they found out what had been going on. You see the nice German people who are currently having the piss taken out of them because they are taking hundreds of thousands of dark skinned Muslims as refugees. The nice German people took 6 million Jews, Gypsys, Black people, Homosexuals and gassed them to death because they reclassified them as dangerous animals. Now I am not saying that being ironic makes you a Nazi death camp commander but you do not have any sensitivity to the slippery slope that the German people fell down. In other words you appear to be disrespectful to the idea that there are some ideas that are too horrible to contemplate even as a joke. Unfortunately as you have no idea what it is that you have done wrong it is apparent that the world is ready once again for horrible things to be done. It is no coincidence that Nationalism and hatred of foreigners is once again popular. The lessons of the Holocaust have been forgotten and the world is ready once again for appalling crimes against humanity So no, jokes about the Holocaust are never funny, not even ironic ones.
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Comedy = Tragedy + Time.
Irony wasn't invented by people under thirty. I don't know if you've ever seen The Producers or Charlie Chaplin's The Dictator, but it's possible to lampoon something and be critical of it. By using #MAGA, I thought it would be clear enough that I was making fun of comments - real comments - that are seen every day online from members of the alt-right like Stormfront, the KKK and other Trump supporters. And are too often seen right here on Slashdot.
I'm sorry if I offended you, coas
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It takes someone with the genius of Chaplin to make a joke about thugs rounding up Jews and hanging them in the street and have it reflect only on the thugs so actually work as a joke. These people are not Chaplin. These people are making fun of the victims and not the perpetrators, like all that "black-face" comedy everyone wants to forget.
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Nice way of rationalizing a patently stupid "ironic" post. Maybe you should put it as a video on Youtube, this kind of stuff is very popular there.
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Get a load of this jackoff. He says I'm unfairly calling him a nazi and then says the most nazi thing imaginable.
Your day has passed. Approximately September 2, 1945.
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If you didn't already know as an adult you haven't been paying much attention.
However kids on the other hand, do you really want them to know that people will do all kinds of disgusting things for money while they are still too young to know they shouldn't exploit that power?
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There is an interesting Anime, "Eden of the East", that explores that concept. Some people are given phones linked to an account valued at millions and attempt to influence the destiny of a country by giving orders that expend amounts of that account.
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What could you ask a man/women do for $10 or a promise of $5 a day. What if you established a trust fund for their child that paid $5 a day for 40 years, could you convince someone to commit suicide on camera? What would it cost to make one of those people hurt or kill someone? If I offered them $5 a day, would they hurt a friend or so .....
So get off your high horse and use the gray lump between your ears to better understand what we have seen. If the Jews (my family) would have used the gray shit between their ears, they probably could have stopped the holocaust before it started. Instead they behaved all huffy and pissy like you. If you believe what he did wasn't a joke, fine. i agree. It was not a joke, but in the spirit which it was done, we learned something very important and if you're gonna be a SJW, then at least stop being a f-ing stupid one!
I think the point that most people are making is that he could have come up with a better way of proving his point. All he had to do was use a different and less insulting and less racist way of doing it. It's my understanding that he chose the meme and that is what he is being judged on.
Does he have a valid point that people are in situations where they will do just about anything for a dollar just to survive? Yes. But we know that this is a sad truth, it's nothing new. There are other ways to draw at
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a not insignificant number of the actual protestors are paid, too, about $25 via craigslist,
Care to show some actual examples of said ads with people answering them?
I marched in a local Women's March. No one I knew was being paid, or had been approached about being paid. I certainly wasn't. There were thousands of people there. There was ZERO indication of anyone paying for protests. Instead, you have a diverse group of people with individual concerns(ranging from pro-choice beliefs to local Native American tribes showing solidarity with the pipeline protesters, and pretty much everything in betw
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Do elaborate on how they became "their lands."
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As if "do as I say, not as I do" was such a novel concept.
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As if "do as I say, not as I do" was such a novel concept.
You mean Walt Disney is still alive, leading Disney company and not allowed to change his world view? Why aren't more people talking about it?
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While I can understand your side, I have to admit that I laughed pretty hard when I heard they kicked pewdiepie out. So I guess what they do is humor too.