Facial Recognition Is Coming To US Airports (theverge.com) 148
Facial recognition systems will be coming to U.S. airports in the very near future. "Customs and Border Protection first started testing facial recognition systems at Dulles Airport in 2015, then expanded the tests to New York's JFK Airport last year," reports The Verge. "Now, a new project is poised to bring those same systems to every international airport in America." From the report: Called Biometric Exit, the project would use facial matching systems to identify every visa holder as they leave the country. Passengers would have their photos taken immediately before boarding, to be matched with the passport-style photos provided with the visa application. If there's no match in the system, it could be evidence that the visitor entered the country illegally. The system is currently being tested on a single flight from Atlanta to Tokyo, but after being expedited by the Trump administration, it's expected to expand to more airports this summer, eventually rolling out to every international flight and border crossing in the U.S. U.S. Customs and Border Protection's Larry Panetta, who took over the airport portion of the project in February, explained the advantages of facial recognition at the Border Security Expo last week. "Facial recognition is the path forward we're working on," Panetta said at the conference. "We currently have everyone's photo, so we don't need to do any sort of enrollment. We have access to the Department of State records so we have photos of U.S. Citizens, we have visa photos, we have photos of people when they cross into the U.S. and their biometrics are captured into [DHS biometric database] IDENT."
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Re:Isn't this backwards?? (Score:4, Informative)
The illegal migrants sneak in illegally or get help to enter the USA without documentation. So its hard to get an entry image.
Once in the USA the illegal immigrant might buy, create or use documents as needed domestically.
Different state and federal databases cant share a lot of details due to domestic privacy protections so some forged, borrowed or documents obtained by deception can be used to build a larger collection of real paperwork.
At some time on average the illegal migrant might feel so arrogant that they think they can travel out and then just return to the USA.
That is when reconciling exit images is so powerful. The illegal immigrant is finally detected and so is the full history of their forged documentation.
Citizenship or legal documents to be in the USA will soon be needed at the state and city level too finally removing the ability to obtain city or state cover to remain in the USA.
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An American would have a valid passport and enjoy their flight to and from the USA.
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Why try to stop illegals from leaving, isn't that what they want?
Why not check incoming faces against the documents to be sure the people are who they said they are...?
Because the guns will be turned inward soon. Slaves will not be allowed to leave.
Ideal time (Score:2)
They are already leaving the country and have valid travel elsewhere, just let them know they are not coming back. Avoids a lot of hassle (for the U.S, that is).
Beard or no beard. (Score:5, Interesting)
Do you have a beard and you want to shave-it ? :)
Are-you planing to get a nice healthy tan for your white skin ?
Considering another hair colour or coloured contact lenses ?
If you need to fly, better reconsider until the software comparing the before & after photos gets at least a couple of updates
Re:Beard or no beard. (Score:5, Insightful)
If you need to fly, better reconsider until the software comparing the before & after photos gets at least a couple of updates :)
Isn't it nice, that the guys running this system
1. Don't care how much they inconvenience you
2. Don't care how accurate the system is
3. Don't even care if it catches anyone, because clearly catching terrorists is not directly related to their job performance evaluation
The only thing they really care about is how much taxpayer money it will cost and maybe how much useful data it will generate for them.
So given the (theoretical) miracle of free market, where is non-TSA, pre-9-11 airport I can fly from?
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So given the (theoretical) miracle of free market, where is non-TSA, pre-9-11 airport I can fly from?
All of them. Just charter a private jet.
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Only from smaller airports. And even then you're subject to at least a metal detector and X-Ray unless it's a much smaller airport (i.e., one where tiny Cessna and Piper planes fly out from). But even those may require passengers to use the passenger terminal.
So you're limited to small private jets up to maybe a Learjet or so. Anything larger will require going to a co
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So given the (theoretical) miracle of free market, where is non-TSA, pre-9-11 airport I can fly from?
Nearly all airports outside of the USA. :-)
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When the government stomps their boot dow
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Re:Beard or no beard. (Score:5, Interesting)
In a very old system a person could try looking up, down, using a hat, very complex glasses, could try and bring a new hair style down over the face.
A human would quickly notice such attempts and ask the illegal migrant to look at the camera, remove the hat and ensure the system could get an image that matches entry to the USA.
This is not a CCTV image. Light, position, attempts at deceptive fashion, not been able to get a good image can all be taken into account and be corrected. A lot of funding and work has gone into getting a lot of information from any face in any image e.g. social media, CCTV, side on, a person looking up, down, left, right. More unique data is been capture from all over the face than in past attempts.
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Not so great for facial hair. (Score:1)
I love the quote in TFA: “Facial recognition is easy because everyone knows how to take a photo.”
If you have facial hair, these systems completely fail and you get kicked into the loooooong reject line... every time. Then you get extra scrutiny if you have a beard because, of course, you look like a threat.
It'd be nice if the systems could improve to the point that they actually worked before being rolled out full-scale. Or if we could move to something actually unique like fingerprints or DNA
Re: Not so great for facial hair. (Score:2)
The chance of being framed for a murder is obviously never larger than the chance of getting murdered, so not a big risk for most people.
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I'm touched by their faith in their computer systems. One wonders if one of their computers instructed them to shove a power cable up their ass and go screaming, naked, out into the crowds in an airport, if they would follow through...
Re:Not so great for facial hair. (Score:5, Funny)
This is America, so no change then?
I kid, kid.
Re:Not so great for facial hair. (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm not american and I know this is offtopic but I have karma to burn. I admit i laughed at first toó but this doesn't feel like much of a joke after just seeing the recent dashcam footage of a legal firearm owner being summarily executed by an incompetent cop with inadequate/improper training and getting acquitted.
Forget about the talk of 'racism', this goes far beyond such things. What confuses me the most however is the deafening silence of groups like the NRA who normally make so much noise about upholding gun rights, but now that a law abiding citizen who even lets the officer now he's carrying a firearm in his vehicle just gets 4 shots at him from point blank range nobody says anything.
Think about what this case is signalling: it doesn't matter if you do everything right. It doesn't matter if you're not hostile and have a license to carry a firearm. If the cop is twitchy and panics, whether it's because he's racist and scared of you simply due to your skin tone or because he's an incompetent asshole makes no difference, he can just shoot you dead on the spot and face no consequences. All it takes is for the cop to say that he felt as if he's in danger. As feelings are subjective it doesn't need to be justified in any way.
Think about the stupidity of the argument in this specific case: they essentially convinced a jury that the officer in question hears the man saying he has a firearm and thought process in the immediate seconds following this statement is: "shit, this guy just informed me he has a legal firearm, the next thing he's probably going to do is pull it out and unload on me with his wife and kid in the car, that's how all the gangsters always operate. Best err on the side of caution and go directly to LETHAL FORCE'. You can clearly see in the video that the cop panics. He hears the word 'firearm' and goes from 'okay' to 'don't pull it out then' to four shots to the chest in like less than 5 seconds. The guy even mentions that the weapon is in his glove box. so there's no practical way for the him to get to his gun fast enough in order for him to present any actual danger to the officer. And the jury's like 'Oh that makes sense, he had reasonable cause'. What? This behavior would make more sense in a country like Japan where guns are banned almost entirely and the cops don't usually have to deal with armed citizenry. I was under the impression that american police training would deal with these kinds of cases a lot because you have the most guns per capita so these kind of encounters should be standard procedure for the cops.
Can anybody argue after this that the right of the people to keep and bear arms is not infringed if carrying one legally gets you killed by the law for doing nothing except following the rules?
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If you carry, there is one rule to keep in mind if you encounter the police. Do exactly what they say. If they say don't touch it, get your damn hands away from it. Best to keep your hands up on the steering wheel in plain sight. If you need to grab anything explain verbally what you are going to do before doing it. If your hand has to go anywhere nea
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Except that's not even what the cops claimed was happening. [theguardian.com]. He said the gun is in his glove box. Was he reaching for the glove box? No.
He was reaching for his ID which he was asked to produce. [washingtonpost.com]
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But, the gun was actually in his pocket, as many of the links about the trial details show: here's one random link [cbsnews.com].
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Agreed and mind you I never claimed it did. This is gross incompetence and lack of proper training. These kinds of individuals should not be working as mall cops let alone as police officers.
Well it appears that he isn't welcome back to his job at least. I agree completely that he was absolutely not trained/capable of handling what should be an infrequent, but not unique, situation.
And even if we allow for a gross miscommunication between the cop and the victim, none of that should have gotten the cop off the reckless endangerment charges. He unloaded his gun point-blank into a car with a small child in the back seat. I may be mistaken, but I don't think cops are supposed to even RETURN fire
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Actually correcting myself because I rewatched the video just now. He doesn't say it's in the glovebox though that were it was. He uses a stupid phrasing of "I do have a firearm on me", and I think those 2 final words get him killed.
So I'll grant you that Philip's actions/choice of words partially account for this chain of events. However, still I think the response from the cop is not justified takin in the context of the situation as I originally said: it makes no rational sense for a man to declare he ha
No, You're spot on (Score:2)
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Can anybody argue after this that the right of the people to keep and bear arms is not infringed if carrying one legally gets you killed by the law for doing nothing except following the rules?
Sure, and the NRA did not say anything about Andrew Scott being killed either.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the... [slate.com]
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It'd be nice if the systems could improve to the point that they actually worked before being rolled out full-scale.
It's primarily for show so I'm not surprised it doesn't work.
Re: No enrollment, no choice. Glad to see (Score:1)
You're obviously forgetting about Grover Cleveland.
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As someone who lives in San Diego, no I really don't want all you fucking tourist taking all the parking at the beach.
I think I speak for many of us when I say: you can shove San Diego up your fucking cock.
Thanks.
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Why would any tourists enjoying the USA have any new issues?
Their real passport was scanned on entry, they are returning home after a great time in the USA and their valid documents match on entry and exit.
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Don't smile at the camera (Score:3, Interesting)
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I'm pretty sure nobody is at Guantanamo who wasn't captured actively engaged in armed conflict with the US. Nobody is being whisked off there by the DHS, or any domestic US law enforcement agency.
I suppose if you're into Alex Jones level conspiracy theories, you could prove me wrong.
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Yawn... (Score:3, Informative)
We've been doing this in Australia for a decade. It's called "SmartGate" [wikipedia.org]
Re: Yawn... (Score:2, Funny)
I was one of the devs working on SmartGate. The way it really works is like this [slapthebaldy.com]
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No we don't. Our SmartGates are only capable of checking if the passport holder matches via facial recognition to the passport being used. It is restricted for certain passport holders from certain countries and on certain flights because the system has no way of knowing if you're a valid visa holder.
The system proposed here works on a Visa level and works on country exit, not entry. You won't encounter any electronic gates exiting the country at any Australian airport (or any other airport across the world
Makes sense (Score:2)
Why on exit? (Score:2)
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And it's ILLEGAL... (Score:1)
... for Americans anyway.
Congress has passed Biometric Exit bills at least nine times [gao.gov]. In each, it has been clear: This is a program meant for foreign nationals. In fact, when President Trump issued an executive order in January on Biometric Exit, it was actually reissued [planetbiometrics.com] to clarify that it didn't apply to American citizens.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/fut... [slate.com]
You say that like.... (Score:1)
You say that like it isn't already there.
Warning from Chaffetz (Score:2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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He also hints that any social media account you have with a picture is linked.
That is why I poison that well every chance I get. When Facebook thinks it has found a face in a picture of mine I say it is me. Personally I like that for a long while it would find faces in mariposa lilies so I would always tag them as myself and get others to do the same. It also seems to do a good job of finding faces in pictures of random piles of leaves and bushes. Let us not forget this article [wired.com] from a couple of years back about a very confused computer vision system.
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So much wrong with this (Score:2)
"Stuff they don't want you to know" is often a lighthearted podca
It's already here... (Score:1)
Where's the "Moo Cows" guy when we need him? (Score:2)
'Cause this is just one more step toward turning travellers into cattle. I won't be surprised if ear tags and/or embedded RFID chips are next.
I miss the days when the States was a relatively safe and sane travel destination. The way things are now, I'll probably never cross the border again. Dammit, I miss New Orleans - it sucks to realize that I may never go there again.
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I know you are trolling but there may be a grain of truth in what you are saying.
White people are the easiest to recognize and blacks are the hardest. It is a simple matter of contrast. I don't know if male/female makes a difference in success rate. Probably not, though makeup and beards may play a role.
Re: To be PC, it will only recognize white males (Score:1)
That's a rather black and white way of looking at it.
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>> Facial Recognition Is Coming To US Airports
I'm Not Coming To US Airports.
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>> Facial Recognition Is Coming To US Airports
I'm Not Coming To US Airports.
Not to worry, the TSA has started having teams of TSA agents set up security screening checkpoints at post offices, train and bus stations (metro & greyhound), even stopping metro buses and boarding them to do security checks on riders. I'm sure the facial-recognition systems will be rolled out for these alternate and local transportation systems in the very near future.
We will soon be very safe with TSA checkpoints at malls, major intersections, residential neighborhood entrances/exits, and more!
Strang
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2017 Congressional baseball shooting - James Hodgkinson (white male)
2017 Flint Airport Stabbing - Amor Ftouhi (Tunisian/Arab, easily passes as a white European, since North Africans are Caucasian)
2011 Norway attacks - Anders Behring Breivik (white male, but nearly every Norwegian is white)
2011 Tucson shooting - Jared Lee Loughner (evil white male)
2010 Pentagon shooting - James Von Brunn (white male)
2010 Austin suicide attack - Andrew Joseph Stack (white male)
2010 Oakland freeway shootout - Byron Williams (w
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This could be actually be useful for security. The facial recognition could be deployed for all departing flights, domestic or international. Cross-referencing it with a Muslim registry could be a great tool to identify likely terrorists. It would be very effective because Muslims are the greatest threat to commit acts of terror on aircraft. Once you identify a Muslim attempting to fly, it's very easy to subject them to enhanced security or detain them. I'm all for measures that would actually prevent terrorism, and this would be a great way to do just that.
A Muslim registry? Would all Muslims be required to register with the government? That seems like a pain in the neck. It would probably be easier if we just required them all to wear a yellow crescent on their lapel.
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Spend your money hunting down islamophobic abortion clinic bombers. You'll get more criminals for the buck
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Or did you miss HObby Lobby?