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US To Create the Independent US Cyber Command, Split Off From NSA (pbs.org) 104

Posted by BeauHD from the separate-entity dept.
An anonymous reader quotes a report from PBS: After months of delay, the Trump administration is finalizing plans to revamp the nation's military command for defensive and offensive cyber operations in hopes of intensifying America's ability to wage cyberwar against the Islamic State group and other foes, according to U.S. officials. Under the plans, U.S. Cyber Command would eventually be split off from the intelligence-focused National Security Agency. The goal, they said, is to give U.S. Cyber Command more autonomy, freeing it from any constraints that stem from working alongside the NSA, which is responsible for monitoring and collecting telephone, internet and other intelligence data from around the world -- a responsibility that can sometimes clash with military operations against enemy forces. Making cyber an independent military command will put the fight in digital space on the same footing as more traditional realms of battle on land, in the air, at sea and in space. The move reflects the escalating threat of cyberattacks and intrusions from other nation states, terrorist groups and hackers, and comes as the U.S. faces ever-widening fears about Russian hacking following Moscow's efforts to meddle in the 2016 American election.
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  • Old news. (Score:4, Informative)

    by will_die ( 586523 ) on Monday July 17, 2017 @05:23PM (#54828621) Homepage
    This was actually something that was started at the end of last year by Obama, and has been needed for a very long time. It has just taken this long for the meetings and paperwork to be completed.

    • It has just taken this long for the meetings and paperwork to be completed.

      So now its something that is actually going to happen and therefor news, right?

      • No it is still in talks and in a couple of months from now might actually happen. Then it will be news.

  • Help Wanted (Score:5, Funny)

    by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Monday July 17, 2017 @05:25PM (#54828633) Journal

    Russian language skills definitely a plus.

  • okay, the NSA violates the constitution against it's own citizens, as well as routinely breaks any number of laws, and they need MORE?!? The last thing any government department is less oversight. This sounds like someone attempt to get more data to somewhere in a space people like high lever officials (say Senators for example) are less likely (or able) to check up on things. Would be a lot easier to pipe data to..say..Russia.
  • Is a pocket protector part of the uniform?

  • Fantastic news (Score:3, Insightful)

    by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Monday July 17, 2017 @05:45PM (#54828787)

    The goal, they said, is to give U.S. Cyber Command more autonomy, freeing it from any constraints that stem from working alongside the NSA...

    [sarcasm] Great... A government agency with less accountability than the NSA. Just what we all needed more of. [/sarcasm]

  • Rubbish! (Score:1, Troll)

    by bwanagary ( 522899 )

    "... following Moscow's efforts to meddle in the 2016 American election." Rubbish!

    This is not news, or even fact. You are parroting and perpetuating misinformation. After significant effort and expense and, oh, over six months of exhaustive digging, zero evidence can be produced to support this statement. If you're just going to parrot CNN or some other ratings-focused "news" rag, then I can just go there instead of slashdot when I want to be mislead. Seriously, for all the good work you publish here,

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Faggot, learn to read. All US intel agencies agree, Russia attempted to hack and undermine US elections directly in dozens and hundreds of ways.

      You're a fucking pseudo-illiterate in defense of a moronic ponzi schemer and traitor. Fuck you, non-American punk ass.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by z3alot ( 1999894 )
      Do you have a reason to distrust all of our intelligence services?

      • More than a few, yes... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Xenographic ( 557057 ) on Monday July 17, 2017 @11:03PM (#54830357) Journal

        Usually the question goes the other way: do you have a reason to *trust* them. Anyhow, there are a few things that make me question them, yes.

        They've helped destabilize or backed coups in Iran, Guatemala, North Vietnam, Hungary, Laos, Haiti, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Zaire, Brazil, Indonesia, Greece, Bolivia, Cambodia, Chile, Afghanistan, and probably other places. They've run operations like Operation Mockingbird [wikipedia.org], they helped with Watergate, etc.

        The current operation is about like the lies over the WMD. Secret evidence, tons of stories with nothing in them but anonymous quotes.

        And even the ODNI report you allude to is getting inflated. It merely said that hacking the election was something Russia might like to do, it didn't give any actual evidence if you read the damned thing. But what the heck does the Coast Guard know about this, anyhow? Oh, right, you probably didn't know who the members of that were. Or that the people who signed this report were just a couple of political appointees.

        Same way you guys probably never read the Trend Micro report which everyone talked about and I think only Ars actually bothered to link to.

        But sure, please feel free to show me the 'mountain of evidence' of CNN/WaPo stories that all cite each other, anonymous/secret sources, or the ODNI, Crowdstrike or Trend Micro reports that have jack all in them but an old copy of P.A.S. freeware and some Tor exit nodes. But hey, that Advanced Persistent Threat Fancy Bear is everywhere.

    • You are parroting and perpetuating misinformation.

      Well you are probably a perjuring prevaricator, Pashenka.

      Really, you do yourself a grave injustice and insult the intelligence of slashdot readers by driveling opinions without a basis of fact.

      Eg, you claim there is "zero evidence" to support "Moscow's efforts to meddle in the 2016 American election." Lol, just lol. You made your point without any evidence either, but I'll ignore that (this one time) and respond anyway: http://www.businessinsider.com... [businessinsider.com] https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]

      At this point,

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        News stories are not evidence bubalah. Evidence is evidence, after all the lies put out by US mainstream media to have the dear leader Clinton the corporate whore elected, the drivel coming out now is just stupid, so butt hurt about Don Don winning. On one side the trillion dollar entirety of main stream media, probably something like 200,000 agents of various stripes and colours NSA/CIA/FBI oh wait there are 16 of them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] (screw typing all that out) and now tadah 17 and a hu

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by MightyMartian ( 840721 )

      Oh for fuck's sake, that's a load of shit. Several officials have stated Russia was making overt efforts to influence the election, and we now have no less than the President's eldest son releasing emails showing he (quite gleefully) went to a meeting with some Russians, believing he was going to receive damaging materials against Clinton. Furthermore, as I say above, the Russians have been implicated in attempting to interfere in recent European elections.

      You may choose to not believe what various members

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        we now have no less than the President's eldest son releasing emails showing he (quite gleefully) went to a meeting with some Russians

        This is a classic set up for creating some damaging stories about someone that you can later leak. The managed to put a weak and ineffective government in office, and seem to have plenty of material to keep drip feeding out to make sure that it stays unstable indefinitely.

  • Cyber Show, Idiot

  • It's questionable the Russians did anything. What was done could have been done by a handful of 15 yearolds. The real story in all this is the people in positions of power that we trust to run government don't have a clue about security and don't take it seriously enough. Lax security.

    Stop blaming others when your using the equivalent of Roman locks and wax seals for security.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      "It's questionable the Russians did anything."

      By any reasonable definition of "questionable" it is absolutely not questionable. Emails from russians admit to it.

      "What was done could have been done by a handful of 15 yearolds."

      Arranging to meet with Trump family and campaign representatives to discuss information obtained via espionage, and to hold that meeting, is not something that can be done "by a handful of 15 year olds". Since what other things might have been done are not public knowledge, no one in

  • There are too many intelligence agencies in the US. [wikipedia.org] If politicians were serious about eliminating government waste, they would consolidate all of those agencies into one, Central Intelligence Agency. [wikipedia.org]

    Having a bunch of isolated intelligence gathering agencies is how we ended up with Pearl Harbor, and 9/11.

    • Pearl Harbor was not a mistake. The information was withheld on purpose to provide motivation/impetus/excuse to enter the war in an unbridled way. Don't believe me? Do some research, it's not a theory held by the tin-foil crowd, it is a view supported by the evidence and now more and more historians believe that to be the case.

      Will 9/11 be seen in the same way in 50 years? Worse, maybe as a false flag operation? Guess we'll have to wait and see.

  • So we are definitely going to need the Gun Emoji , perhaps a missile and nuke Emoji too.
    Perhaps a gravestone Emoji with "Byte the Dust" would be appropriate too.
  • "As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?
    ...
    We came in with the Internet. We came up with th
  • We need to be protected from this. Cybercommand *Is* a good idea, but let us set it up so 1st it does US no harm.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Not really possible. Any counter attack will carry with it a lot of collateral damage. As long as we're honest about it and are prepared to deal with the fall-out. Once you go on the offense you have to expect a lot of people to counter you. That is a dramatic escalation and will likely make the Internet as an internal communications medium unusable. We'll be back in the dark ages relying on Internet 2 which once again has only universities and other research institutes connected to it.

      The problem of DDoS

  • Believe it or not, spinning it off into a new branch of the military is a GOOD thing for American civilians. Why? The military operates under constraints, scrutiny, and civilian oversight that increasingly seem to NOT apply to "mere" law enforcement agencies (especially post-9/11).

  • That sounds like what he discussed with Putin:

    "Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded."

    Donald Trump, July 9th, 2017
    https://twitter.com/realDonald... [twitter.com]

    The next day he said tweeted "The fact that President Putin and I discussed a Cyber Security unit doesn't mean I think it can happen. It can't..." But maybe it can. Perhaps Putin's role in it is one of the "Details [that] are still being worked out, but offi

    • You mean the one on March 26 when Putin was told that he would do more what Putin after the next election?

  • ... on the same footing as more traditional realms of battle on land, in the air, at sea and in space ...

    Which America is losing, bigly.

  • I know that language is fluid, evolves, words-are-just-metaphores-for-abstract-impressions-in-the-brain, and other PhD-level obfuscations, but...

    Making cyber an independent military command will...

    For Fuck's Sake: "cyber" is a prefix, it is not a noun all on its own!

    I think the first time I heard it used that way was by - no surprise here - then-candidate Donald Trump during a debate [youtu.be]. And, as you can hear in that clip, using "cyber" as a noun sounds about as coherent as saying the internet is a series

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

      "Cyber" is a noun on its own -- it means online (that is, simulated and manually performed) sex. This entered Urban Dictionary over a decade ago, and it wasn't new then. If you think of it this way, it will make blowhard politicos much funnier.

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