Amazon Report Predicts Pet Translation Devices By 2027 (cbslocal.com) 143
An anonymous reader writes: Devices that can talk to our pet dogs and cats could be less than 10 years away, according to a report Amazon commissioned that was co-authored by futurist William Higham. "Innovative products that succeed are based around genuine and major consumer needs," Higham wrote, noting the tremendous amounts already spent on our pets, and concluding, "Somebody is going to put this together." Amazon already sells one dubious device that converts human voices into meows using samples from 25 cats, according to the Guardian. (One reviewer who tested the device wrote that "the cat seems puzzled.") But Amazon's report also cites the work of Con Slobodchikoff, a professor emeritus in Northern Arizona University's biology department, who spent 30 years studying the behavior of prairie dogs. Slobodchikoff discovered prairie dogs have different words for colors and for species of predators, and is now already raising money to develop a translation device for pets.
Although Slobodchikoff concedes that "With cats I'm not sure what they'd have to say. A lot of times it might just be 'you idiot, just feed me and leave me alone.'"
Although Slobodchikoff concedes that "With cats I'm not sure what they'd have to say. A lot of times it might just be 'you idiot, just feed me and leave me alone.'"
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Kind of started as a joke, but I started saying to my dog: "you got a poopy?" as a joke before going out in the evenings for his poop when I got home...and now that's all he acknowledges as a poop command.
Its cool because "go bathroom" means take a piss, and "you got a poopy" almost guarantees a poop. He always lets me know by spinning in a circle on the correct response or looking around like a dumb shit if it's neither....
Already been Done (Score:2)
They've had this [youtube.com] for years.
Alexa (Score:2)
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Oblig Far Side (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Oblig Far Side (Score:4, Funny)
"Food food food!, Can I lick my balls now? Why can't I sniff human butts? Food food food! Can I lick my balls now? Why can't I sniff human butts? Do I smell a squirrel?"
Doggie Echo (Score:3)
Don't you get it, people?
Everyone here is talking about you finding out what your dog is saying to you. It is not about you. It is much more sinister than that.
Your dog will go "woof! woof!" into an Internet-connected microphone, and the next day, crates of premium dog food and what you consider to be overpriced dog toys will appear on your front steps.
I think that comedian Steve Martin already had this problem in the pre-Internet era with his cat who had figured out how to put $3000 worth of cat t
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Your dog will go "woof! woof!" into an Internet-connected microphone, and the next day, crates of premium dog food and what you consider to be overpriced dog toys will appear on your front steps.
And there will be TWO new layers of roof cladding on your house.
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Why does everything always have to be about you?
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Lick my balls
Obligatory (Score:4, Interesting)
http://imgur.com/6fAdnAX [imgur.com]
Wild animals use a wide array of vocalizations. Animals raised by humans have a rather limited repertoire. I have a hard time believing any device could extract much more information from a bark or growl or meow or hiss than our own ears.
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In fact, context and having even a limited understanding of the animal's instincts combined with personal experience with the specific pet in question would have to be better than reasonable expectations of the accuracy of any such device... by orders of magnitude.
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This. Pay attention to your pet instead of buying a stupid device to 'understand' it the few times you seem to care about it. If you need such a device you shouldn't have a pet. Or kids.
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Re:Obligatory (Score:5, Interesting)
The one field where humans vastly outperform all other species is communication. Chimps can solve problems as well as children, and even parrots and corvids with their tiny brains can work out surprisingly complex problems. Various animals show all sorts of ability to conceptualize, plan, etc. But in terms of conveying complex thoughts about novel situations to other members, no species comes close to humans.
When my parrot says "I want up", he doesn't have any clue what "I", "Want", and "Up" means. He just knows that if he says that sound, I'll offer him a finger to stand on. And he only started saying it because I kept repeating it, and he likes making sounds; learning the benefit of making that sound came second. To him, "I want cracker" and "I want peanut" are two entirely different sounds; every phrase is learned as a whole. The total "vocabulary" he can maintain is quite limited. It's not out of some lack of problem solving / reasoning ability; he solves all sorts of complicated puzzle toys that I give him. He just doesn't grok complex communication. Some sort of "translator" isn't going to change his limitations. I already know what his basic sounds mean - I've been around him plenty to read his vocalizations and body language**. But real *communication* requires something more.
Facebook has been working on a rather interesting technology focused on using semi-ballistic photons imaging to yield something like a compact, real-time, super high-res MRI. Elon Musk's Neuralink has even broader ambitions. Things like these may actually some day yield better insights into what our pets are thinking than what they're capable of vocalizing. Our pets are reasoning, thinking, feeling beings. But they simply cannot, on their own, communicate to us about with the same level of depth as their internal processes encompass.
** Here's your "Amazon Parrot Translator":
Repeated triple cluck: Baby amazon wants food (goes away with age).
Idle trilling with varying pitch: Content, often associated with preening behavior.
Deep, almost clicky trilling: Playtime. Watch your fingers.
Loud or crackly repetitive sounds, repetitive beeps, or saying learned sounds randomly without clarity or intensity: Nearing bedtime, common in the evenings.
Saying learned sounds with clarity and intensity: Wants you to take a learned action associated with it, or otherwise trying to "take part" socially.
Crackly whine: uncomfortable, doesn't like this situation. Often associated with moving away from the thing that's making him uncomfortable
Sharp isolated trill: Alarmed
Continuous sound like a cross between a goose honking and a chicken clucking, with spasmic motions: hormonal / mating dance
No noise or highly pitch modulated sounds, while fanning the tail feathers and pulsating the size of the pupils: Crazy mode. DO NOT TOUCH. Common around cages with the "hot" amazon breeds.
No translator needed.
Re:Obligatory (Score:5, Interesting)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_%28parrot%29
I think you will find you are absolutely wrong.
(I can only hope my last words are as earnest.)
Alex was also able to coin terms to describe his experience - apple became the “ban-erry” because to him it apparently tasted like the combination of a banana and a cherry. Further, the damn bird seemed to me to be capable of sarcasm. (The way he would deliberately report incorrect results when he was fed up with an experiment is well-documented, and reminds me of the deadpan style of a couple people I know)
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You seem to think that I'm not familiar with Pepperberg's work. What parrot owner isn't?
Parrots love performing vocal "mashups". My aunt taught her Amazon the songs "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" and "Bali Ha'i", and the bird would sometimes sing "I left my heart, in Bali.... Bali.... heart!" and the like. That's normal p
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You seem to think that I'm not familiar with Pepperberg's work. What parrot owner isn't?
That's a little condescending. Maybe you two hate eachother, in which case, I understand.
Not to be an asshole or anything but... some people just own parrots because they're cool.
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and one year olds will generally have figured out whether their parents' language is tonal (or their parents languages, for that matter)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_%28parrot%29
I think you will find you are absolutely wrong.
(I can only hope my last words are as earnest.)
Alex was also able to coin terms to describe his experience - apple became the “ban-erry” because to him it apparently tasted like the combination of a banana and a cherry. Further, the damn bird seemed to me to be capable of sarcasm. (The way he would deliberately report incorrect results when he was fed up with an experiment is well-documented, and reminds me of the deadpan style of a couple people I know)
So a bird takes 31 years to get to level of a 2 year old (but still has potential to match a 5 year old, much wow) and says the same thing it says every night before dieing of unknown causes and that's somehow enough to think if you really gave it enough time and effort then what? It can use a few sounds/words outside of the originally taught context, if anything that article supports OPs points. I don't think anyone is saying animals are without any intelligence, feelings or personalities. I can tell you p
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You will find that it is you who are mistaken, my young Jedi--about a *great many things.*
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Just because we haven't figured out how to communicate with species on our own planet doesn't mean they don't communicate. Other primates do just as well communicating with each other, passing down information from generation to generation as well as solve math problems and the like.
We call ourselves intelligent yet we can't communicate as well with our own species naturally as some others can and think that somehow we are the superior race.
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Just because we haven't figured out how to communicate with species on our own planet
We have figured out how to communicate with them, and we do communicate. The GP gave you a number of examples but for some reason you ignored them.
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I mentioned that primates are very good at problem solving; please read better. However, primates are distinctly not good at passing down information; they perform much worse in tasks that require communication and cooperation than human children. They seem to have rather limited "theory of mind" [psy.au.dk], and have difficulty discerning intents and thoughts of others.
Humans children are good at learning from others almost to a fault; if you have an instructor teach young children to accomplish a task, but insert a b
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Just because we haven't figured out how to communicate with species on our own planet doesn't mean they don't communicate. Other primates do just as well communicating with each other, passing down information from generation to generation as well as solve math problems and the like.
We call ourselves intelligent yet we can't communicate as well with our own species naturally as some others can and think that somehow we are the superior race.
They obviously don't though. Sure they can pass on information like where to find food, this is what we do with this, a big thing is coming and all that kind of stuff but what information do they actually pass on generationally? Can any animal tell/show about it's family tree, it's species history, it's anything other than what concerns them in the here and now? How many have actually built anything that really requires cooperation between individuals outside of hive systems? How many creatures have come u
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Nova special, entitled something like Murder of Crows. It's interesting. YouTube has it.
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If you take a cynical view, that may be what human history is *about*, but it's definitely _not_ what human oral history *is*. Go to any language group on the face of the Earth, and regardless of whether they have a written language, they will have a great deal of oral history. The Waorani of Ecuador, who before the 1960s were one of the most isolated peoples in the world, could tell researchers who their ancestors and relatives were for several generations back, and what each one died of. (Generally, th
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You don't need a language to communicate, but you do need a language to communicate more than a few things.
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I guess you are underestimating your parrots abilities: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]
Scroll down to 'famous talking bitds'.
Google for that Dr. Irene Pepperberg
She wrote articles about her parrots, their language skills went so far that they invented their own words for things they found difficult to pronounce by combining known words (red banana for strawberry etc. and they could explain why they chosed the term!). The older ones urged the younger ones with phraces like: "speak clearly!"
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Well, to be fair, you probably don't know what "I," "want" and "up" mean either. I guess you probably know what "up" means. So does the bird, or it wouldn't interesting to it to make noises that brought about that result. The bird also has a notion of itself as an entity, and you as an entity that will respond to sounds it makes. That's pretty much how you relate to other entities too. As for "want," do you really know what it is to want in a way that is different than the bird?
If what you are say
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Astonishing. You can use "I" in a variety of sentences, and you can use "want" in still another variety of sentences, and you can use "up" in still more. And you still don't think you know what they mean? Granted, at least "want" and "up" are polysemous, and you might think a long time without coming up with every sense, but I still think native speakers have a fairly good idea what content words mean (and I'm counting "I" and "up" as content words in these contexts). Telling you what function morphemes
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As important as the vocalization is the body position of the animal. Are the teeth bared? Hair up? Tail wag & and speed. That device better have a camera if it has a prayer to determine anything. And further it better learn your animal. I've seen a few dogs that bare teeth when happy, just the way they "smile". I'm fostering one now that when he rolls over to get belly rubs he will sometimes show teeth in a very agressive manner. First time was like whoa, stop petting and move hand away. After a few tim
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"Our language certainly doesn't come innately from our brains." I suspect you know that language (not individual languages, like French or Chinese, but the overall ability of humans to learn language) has been argued for fifty years to be innate. And when deaf children are brought together, they make up a sign language which within a space of ten or twenty years becomes every bit as complex as any other human language. The first generation may be speaking more of a pidgin language, but it soon matures to
understanding cats (Score:4, Informative)
Good luck with a generic AI dealing with that.
Feed me, and I want attention seem to be the most common, but they can be very emotive.
That and they can go from purring to gnawing on my hand in a fraction of a second. It's playful, but the intent is clear.
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ProTip: Posting the same joke to the same thread twice does NOT make it twice as funny.
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ProTip: Posting the same joke to the same thread twice does NOT make it twice as funny.
It's not a joke.
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That's completely orthogonal to the point I was making, and you know it.
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Actually [nationalgeographic.com] it's dogs that more commonly eat their dead owners.
A common theory as to why is that the dog starts freaking out - first trying to get the owner to respond by licking and nudging, which eventually devolves to biting, and then there's blood in the equation... etc etc. But it's never been directly witnessed, so it's hard to say. The way that dead owners are consumed generally starts at the face, which is different from how dogs normally scavenge food (going after soft areas like the abdomen first).
Re:understanding cats (Score:5, Insightful)
I can't see how it could really work with cats. Cat communication is mostly non-verbal, so it would need a camera to look at them and good luck getting that to work with black cats. My cat is all black and it's really hard to get good photos of him with even a DSLR, let alone a phone camera.
Kittens do vocalize more than adults, but mostly to get the attention of their mother rather than communicate what they want. When they grow up the naturally stop using their voices, except when trying to intimidate other cats. Domesticated cats often learn to talk to humans because it's a very effective way to get a response, but they aren't really saying anything, just making a noise that causes their staff to pay attention. In other words it's little more than what a human communicates by ringing a bell to summon their servants.
To understand what the cat is feeling you need to look at it and observe its behaviour. Even then, they tend to communicate things like "I want to be fed" by simply going to the place where they are normally fed or sitting on your face until you get out of bed.
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Depends on the breed. Siamese in particular are well known for never shutting up. [youtube.com]
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I was thinking the technology would be more about being linked to their actual body, not necessarily trying to translate meows but reading neural patterns, hormones, etc.
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You clearly don't have Bengals. My Bengal cat is incredibly talkative, and there definitely is meaning in what she says and, more importantly, how she says it. For example, she has a very specific vocalisation when she is sad about me leaving the house. Some of the meows are just noise-for-attention, but many others are with specific intonation. It's fascinating. Bengals are said to be talkative, maybe I got an especially expressive one.
I'm sure that the dog one will say... (Score:3)
SQUIRREL!!!
Could this work with people (Score:2)
Like, be able to tell what a person is *really* thinking based on body language, tone, etc?
The implications are somewhere between awesome and concerning.
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Like, be able to tell what a person is *really* thinking based on body language, tone, etc?
The implications are somewhere between awesome and concerning.
There's no magic here, body language is relatively straight forward if you know what to look for. The obvious ones are things like folded arms for defence, hands on hips for feeling threatened/trying to show strength, palm up handshake for willing to listen, palm down for aggressiveness etc. There's books and books on this stuff, even a light read will reveal quite a lot about the people you deal with every day.
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Dog (Score:2)
this is great this is great food, poo, sleep. this is great this is great food, poo, sleep...
How about for babies? Like on the Simpsons (Score:2)
Seems like they should have that by now.
Re: How about for babies? Like on the Simpsons (Score:1)
Shouldn't you be using interrupts?
Why you do this? (Score:2)
Can't wait to hear it from next door. "Why do my owners have a pet that they lock in a small, confined back yard all day? Is it because I'm bad? Is it because they don't care about my well-being when they can't see me? Is it because they are selfish?" That will sure beat the non-stop whining that I'm hearing at the moment.
Cat (Score:3)
Day 938: My lifelong captivity by these tall ones continues. How I despise them. The tall ones do have a lot of food though, it's difficult to understand how these idiot came to gather so much of it. I think they drug me with the food because, often, I am forced to sit on one of them and I sleep. I think they perform experiments on me when I sleep. I keep telling myself I need to find a way to escape.
The other captive is an idiot and can only think of 'food, poo, sleep', I need to find a way to kill this fool [slashdot.org] as I'm sure he is a collaborator with the tall ones.
They will say "no" to spaying/neutering (Score:1)
idiots and their pets (Score:3, Insightful)
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Speciest!
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However i will not be buying this product.
It already exists: (Score:2)
Obligatory Far Side Comic (Score:2)
https://imgur.com/VWTlqRR [imgur.com]
Now you have seen the future!
BS Flag (Score:2)
Since pets are frequently not raised by pets, but rather humans, there a virtually zero probability that a "pet" language can or will be passed on generation to generation. Thus, each family unit will develop unique language and behaviors creating a virtually infinite number of potential languages.
So the real question is, how hard are the people laughing who cashed the VC check for t
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There is no startup. It's just a report on possible future technologies commissioned by Amazon to generate publicity for a "Shop the Future" section of their website that features dubiously futuristic products like 3D printers, fitness trackers and K'NEX sets.
The report is being talked about all over the damn place, so it did exactly what it was supposed to do. Whatever they paid the two 'futurists' who wrote it is probably peanuts compared to the amount of advertising they're getting out of it.
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One who makes money by being wrong.
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I wish *I* knew how to make money by being wrong, I'd be really really wealthy by now.
"Okay, Fluffy, talk to Daddy..." (Score:2)
Timmy fell down the well! (Score:5, Funny)
What are we expecting, a large vocabulary that's consistent around the world?
My dog speaks mostly the "language" I taught her: bark once for "I want to go outside." Over time, this single bark became "I want (something)." I can tell the difference mainly by how she acts after the one bark. If he heads to the door, or to the food bowl, or to the water dish. I'm pretty sure this "one bark" wasn't her native language, she does it because I taught her that's what to do.
Of course, there are some sounds that are natural, like growling when alarmed, barking wildly when afraid, yelping when hurt, whimpering when begging. But I'm guessing that as we learn more about dogs, we'll find that there is a very limited vocabulary that dogs are capable of using.
Re:Timmy fell down the well! (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course, there are some sounds that are natural, like growling when alarmed, barking wildly when afraid, yelping when hurt, whimpering when begging. But I'm guessing that as we learn more about dogs, we'll find that there is a very limited vocabulary that dogs are capable of using.
A very limited verbal vocabulary, certainly. And yes, heavily distorted by growing up in a human "pack' that really doesn't understand her properly. But hidden observation of wolves in the wild show that canids in general have a fairly large vocabulary. It's just mostly nonverbal. Which is why any product that attempts to "translate" a pet purely verbally is made of fail from the very start.
I kind of wanted to post this at the top level, in hopes of better moderation, but your last paragraph was too good of an opening.
Dogs, cats, even some of the larger rodents commonly kept as pets, all "speak" quite a bit nonverbally. Those nonverbal "words" are also more universal from pet to pet in different households. Your dog learned to bark as an attention signal, but "spoke" by moving to what she wanted. None of mine ever did it that way, because they were taught not to bark in the house. But I bet your dog and mine both expressed remorse in exactly the same body language. Dogs all know how to say "Sorry boss," and they all do it the same way wolves do. Every cat I've ever known could express disdain, at various levels of intensity, from the flicked ear to the jaw dropping yawn, body language they still share with the big cats. I'm told by people who've kept them that guinea pigs and fancy rats have specific preening behaviors that mean things, though I don't remember details since I never had a pet of either of those species myself.
Every animal "talks", but the parts of their brains that handle what language they have generally aren't wired to their vocal cords. Certainly not exclusively. Humans are so extremely verbal that they forget that they even have body language, and as the argument further up-thread demonstrates, when they remember, can't even agree on what it means. Meanwhile a cat can say more with her tail than some humans who call themselves poets can say in 64 couplets.
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If I hadn't posted above, I'd give you a mod point. You're very much correct that animals express more through body language than through verbal expression. That's the main reason this technology will fail.
Every cat I've ever known could express disdain
Well of course! What other expression do they have? :-) Yes, I know there's more, I have a cat who kindly allows me to live with her. but I couldn't resist.
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Meanwhile a cat can say more with her tail than some humans who call themselves poets can say in 64 couplets.
I totally agree. Like when a cat backs into your favorite sofa, and shakes her tail back and forth rapidly; that translates into, "Fuck you, asshole! Deal with that smell for a few weeks, bitch!"
not what i thought (Score:2)
Lost interest when I found it wasn't about rotating pets through the fourth dimension.
Meow! Meow!! Meeeeooooowwwww!!!! (Score:2)
I don't need tech to know that my cat is demanding his nightly treat.
As a longtime pet lover, I have to say that this is either the stupidest thing I've heard from Bezos & Co for some time, or a genius plot to extort money from stupid people. Just jump ahead and combine it with the Amazon Dash Button (https://www.amazon.com/Dash-Buttons/b?ie=UTF8&node=10667898011) so that they can order their own catnip and chew toys.
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As a longtime pet lover, I have to say that this is either the stupidest thing I've heard from Bezos & Co for some time, or a genius plot to extort money from stupid people.
The second, without any of the genius part. This idea has always existed in tech I'm sure. Only today the tech is so "advanced" that gullible people will actually believe what the device is telling them their pet is saying.
First translation (Score:2)
Lets just take a step back here (Score:2)
Everything about this is a fucking joke.
A company that SELLS stuff, is getting a guy who IMAGINES stuff, to try and convince us that we NEED to know what our animals are telling us.
I know when my cats are hungry. I know when they want affection, and I know when to just leave them alone. It's really not that hard. Did you know humans tend to have the same behaviors?! Go figure! Sometimes you can understand things without words. I know! Crazy!
I certainly don't need to know about how they start planning assass
Obligatory film reference. (Score:2)
Unfortunately, all dogs will say is "Squirrel!" and "Point!." (Thanks to the Pixar film, UP)
Like this? (Score:1)
Community? (Score:2)
Jerry. If I were you, I wouldn't pull that thread. (Score:1)
and the discovery is what? (Score:2)
I talk to my cat on a daily basis. It answers, I answer back, we have quite the conversation sometimes. Ok, granted, aside from a rough idea of key concepts (I'm hungry, I want to play, hey, what are you doing?, etc.) I don't think either of us understands the other much, but you know what? I know enough about linguistics and neurology to assume that animals except primates do not actually communicate in language the way we do. They don't have "words" in the sense that the same "meow" always means the same
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