India is Betting On Compulsory Internships To Improve Its Unemployable Engineers (qz.com) 207
India has come up with a solution to improve the quality of the engineers it churns out. From a report: Over 60 percent of the 800,000 engineering graduates that India produces annually remain unemployed, the All India Council for Technical Education (AICTE), the apex body for technical education in India, says. So, to make them more employable, engineering colleges across the country will now have to ensure that undergraduate students complete three internships lasting between four and eight weeks each during the course of their programme. Currently, less than one percent participate in summer internships. [...] Indians are obsessed with engineering, particularly since the IT boom. The mid-1990s saw a huge spike in the number of engineering graduates as demand increased in sectors ranging from IT to infrastructure.
Great Idea (Score:5, Interesting)
This is a super good idea. I was very aggressive towards internships, and it paid off big time. Many of my classmates had higher grades, but couldn't get a full time job after graduation due to their lack of experience (and ambition?)
As a nerdy engineering type, often times the softer skills associated with getting, and keeping, a job are more difficult than the technical aspects of performing that job. I think mandatory internships for all engineering disciplines, at least in my home state, would be a great idea.
Re:Great Idea (Score:5, Insightful)
Next great idea would be to improve the original education, as it is woefully lacking. At least in Electrical Engineering we see quite a number of awful candidates from Indian schools. Fundamentals of how to make basic transistor level circuits easily stump most.Hands on skills are rarer than even the lousy Berkeley graduates I've had to interview.
A couple years back we had the benefit of having a really good Indian engineer who could decypher the school names on a resume. Many schools apparently are known to be glorified degree mills that he quickly would warn us to avoid.
Re:Great Idea (Score:5, Informative)
Many schools apparently are known to be glorified degree mills ...
One reason for these degree mills is the Indian marriage market. Dowries are common, where the bride's family will give money and assets to the groom's family. A son can bring in a bigger dowry if he has a degree, but it is less important that he actually learn anything useful. Degree mills provide credentials that cost less than the expected bump in the dowry value.
Another problem is gender imbalance. China's shortage of females is well known, but the problem in India is almost as severe, especially in more prosperous provinces such as Gujarat and Maharashtra where many families can afford ultrasounds and abortions. So if your son doesn't have a degree, he might end up unmarried for life.
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Well, its a general failing of most democratic countries that the less educated and lower earning groups reproduce more, get a larger voting share and then end up using a lot of social benefits. No politicians are going to discuss such issues and risk upsetting their vote banks, unless somehow they're lucky enough to have highly qualified demographics in their constituency.
Female infanticide is illegal in India btw, though it seems to go on in remote villages etc. Every now & then there are stories abou
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Well, its a general failing of most xxxxxxxxxx countries that the less educated and lower earning groups reproduce more...
(HTML strikethrough doesn't seem to work in a slashdot post.) There, fixed that for you. It doesn't matter what kind of government they live under, the less educated reproduce more all over the world.
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It doesn't matter what kind of government they live under, the less educated reproduce more all over the world.
False. In non-democratic countries the rich have more children than the poor. Part of this is because of polygamy, which is much more common in non-democracies, "serial polygamy" where rich men divorce and have a second family, and the inability of the poor masses to vote themselves benefits.
the nazis did Population Control on the jews and (Score:2)
the nazis did Population Control on the jews and that did not turn out that well.
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Leftists now shooting Congressmen in the streets for being Republican. Just wait till we start shooting back.
Gabby Giffords. You started it.
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One reason for these degree mills is the Indian marriage market. Dowries are common, where the bride's family will give money and assets to the groom's family. A son can bring in a bigger dowry if he has a degree, but it is less important that he actually learn anything useful. Degree mills provide credentials that cost less than the expected bump in the dowry value.
I have to wonder how long that practice will last now. I've worked with both male and female Indian software engineers, in the same office, and I have to say the female engineers tend to be better than the males. Pathologically nonassertive, but still better. Seems to me the dowries should be going the other way, especially if India actually has a shortage of women. (First I'd heard that assertion, and you gave no citations.)
I am really wondering how China's gender imbalance is going to play out. You'd
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One reason for these degree mills is the Indian marriage market. Dowries are common, where the bride's family will give money and assets to the groom's family. A son can bring in a bigger dowry if he has a degree, but it is less important that he actually learn anything useful
Given the shortage of Indian women, wouldn't it make more sense if her parents charged a dowry? You've got a surfeit of men, and yet the parents of the women have to pay to get them married? I see a market failure here...
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Even in a large metropolis like Mumbai, many colleges (think grad schools for B.S. equivalent) have a hard time attracting good or even decent teaching staff for technical positions. I'm not up to date with their current state, but they even had people just hired to fill in positions so there was a teacher present for the subject - people who would just 'explain' stuff from textbooks, and do a worse job than students just reading from it! Naturally this also means that most practical assignments (coding, EE
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Indian engineers suck for the same reason that no one will hire them: Because Indians cheat and lie. They cheat and lie when they wake up in the morning. They cheat and lie all day. They cheat and lie at night. They probably cheat and lie in their dreams too.
And they'll no doubt find a way to cheat and lie their way either out of or through their internships too. And no one wants to hire and engineer who cheated and lied his way through school (unless it's a female of course, then they can at least check of
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Isn't that the American Way these days? Sounds like Presidential material to me.
I think you've met the ones that are doing what they see earns rewards in the USA.
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The education itself must be really bad, because 60% of 800'000 unemployed is not something you can get with reasonable education and an actual market need. Calling these people "engineers" is not a realistic assessment of the situation.
Re:Great Idea (Score:4, Insightful)
Here's a better thought: find non-engineering work for these engineers.
Training 800,000 engineers annually is over-saturating the market, at least for design type engineering work.
If these graduates can work in sales (tech marketing), support, maintenance, hands-on roles with technology in the field, then, sure, they might need more than 800,000 per year. If these 800,000 kids all think that they're going to be working to design skyscrapers, bridges, next generation digital hardware, etc. then they've missed the essence of design work: one good engineer works to design things that are made, sold, maintained and recycled many many times, by _other_ job descriptions.
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Here's a better thought: find non-engineering work for these engineers.
Yes.... encourage them to switch to management/business.
Then within the next decade I look forward to US companies seeking to offshore all their company management
(instead of engineering) to try and take advantage of the supply glut.
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It's already happening. It's called the fully Chinese companies that are making your solar panels etc.
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Here's a better thought: find non-engineering work for these engineers.
That would be a better thought if there were such work. But India is experiencing the same problem as everyone else, increasing automation is eliminating jobs. There's so few jobs in India that we in the USA actually receive enough Indians in this country as H1Bs that we complain about them.
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I'm sure India has an equivalent IQ to European populations
You're free to believe whatever you want without a shred of doubt, but the data says your faith is misplaced. The average IQ in India is 82, more than one standard deviation below any European people.
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The only thing IQ tests measure is the ability to take IQ tests. The only thing a particular IQ test measures is the ability to take that IQ test.
The cultural biases of IQ tests - all IQ tests - are very well documented, and have been for a century.
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Researchers these days talk more about how many different kinds of intelligence there are, and how many are not connected to each other at all. So trying to reduce it all to a single number is pointless.
It isn't possible for and IQ test to convey meaningful information, unless you want to know how well someone takes that IQ test.
Grown ups have moved on from yesterday's bigotry, and are working studiously on tomorrow's bigotry.
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Yet no one has come up with an Indian specific IQ test?
Yes they have. It's administered over the phone.
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What I replied to was talking specifically, and only, about IQ tests.
Re:Great Idea (Score:5, Interesting)
Wrong on both counts.
IQ tests results, as a statistical measure, predict success in high school, in college, and job success with a high correlation - the highest of any psychological test. Within a given country, IQ is a better prediction of economic success in life than how wealthy your parents are.
Early IQ test were very culture-specific, but that was a long time ago. Better modern tests are entirely symbolic, and language-free (beyond the instructions). IQ tests are very repeatable - they are a scientific measure.
The Conscientiousness personality trait is also a decent predictor of college and life success, but it's much harder to measure reliably.
Re:Great Idea (Score:4, Funny)
I used to doubt the value of IQ tests. Then, I took one (a legit IQ test administered by a practicing psychologist). It rated me very high. That's when I decided that they are, in fact, a good indicator of one's worth as a human being.
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IQ tests seem to only be considered relevant in the land where the "l
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A 1984 meta-analysis [apa.org] found an IQ to job performance correlation coefficient ranging from 0.2 to 0.6, meaning that between 4% and 36% of the variance in job performance can be explained by IQ. Other factors account for the rest of the variance.
For income, the research consensus of correlation coefficients appear to ranging between 0.4 and 0.5, meaning that between 16% and 25% of income variance can be explained by IQ. An individual's location, inherited wealth, race, education, perseverance, and social conne
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Your info is a little out of date. No reputable IQ test in the last few decades has had anything like the infamous regatta question.
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Yes. Try astrology, theology, or homoeopathy. All of them have been around a long time, are well studied, and are based entirely on magic thinking. Physicians believed that disease was spread by Miasma ("bad air" from rotting organic matter) since antiquity until about 130 years ago.
IQ tests persist because companies spend truck-loads of money every year to 'objectively' choose the best candidates from long lists of applicants. If it suited my vested interests to do so, then I would sell these tests too. He
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I've seen numbers like this for many countries, and I wonder if it's a side effect of giving an English-language test such as WISC to a non-native speaker? I suspect this because at 80 a personal qualifies for special ed in my (US) state, so this seems doubly suspect. Finally, the standard deviation is, by definition, 15.
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You're free to believe whatever you want without a shred of doubt, but the data says your faith is misplaced. The average IQ in India is 82, more than one standard deviation below any European people.
It's not the "average Indian" who is going to tech school, and more than it's the average American who goes to med or law school. Poor nutrition is known to have a significant effect on IQ, but that doesn't affect Indians from non-poor families. 800k grads a year is only about 4% of the population of graduation age, and since that's more prestigious than a doctor or lawyer in India, that's presumable close to the top 4% of IQ.
Re:Great Idea (Score:4, Insightful)
> You can't train intelligence though. I'm sure India has an equivalent IQ to European populations but they have many "engineers" that really aren't suited to that field as well.
I'll disagree here to some extent. If someone grows up studying in an education system that encourages memorization and rote learning over critical thinking (a major failing imho in Indian education syllabus) then it will certainly have a stunting effect on his intelligence and reasoning capacity. A majority of those 'engineers' are basically human machines that would be good for repetitive tasks, but not as useful for comprehending complex systems and enhancing them.
There are of course many Indian engineers who are actually good, but most of them end up outside of the country to find better work. And then they get drowned out statistically by the hordes who don't really care or take initiatives to develop their skills, but are in it for the money and have suffered thru rote learning way too much as said above.
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North America has many engineers (or at least software engineers) who aren't really suited to the field. In my 20+ years in tech I've encountered MANY software devs who got into the field because someone told them it was a good job and a good way to make money. And it shows in the quality of their work (or lack thereof). Many of them don't improve their skills to any degree unless there's a gun to their head, many have zero troubleshooting skills and they see themselves as just a cog in the machine (at l
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If IQ can't predict whether or not people drink from the same river they shit in, what is it good for?
The same thing it's always been good for. Attempting to put a scientific veneer over racial bias.
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I'm still confused about this, being old. When I was in school, internships were about getting college credit. Smart people didn't need extra credits, there were already more than enough to graduate because of taking extra electives and such. Internships were also seriously underpaid, and were held during the school year. Fast forward to the present, it seems that "internship" is now a synonym for "summer job" and "extended interview process for students who will graduate soon".
I never had an internship
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It's such a great idea that nearly every professional engineering association around the world requires it.
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That's an interesting point but (and as someone told Tyrion everything said before 'but' is irrelevant) I think the intention is to reduce the number of engineering students as well as improving them. I agree it will tend to weed out poorer students, which is unfair, but then, what's the point of training them in some half ass degree mill so that they are still unable to find an engineering job (if that's what they want).
In my experience Indian engineers who have made it through India's best universities ar
Remember the cheating scandal? (Score:4, Interesting)
Same thing's going to happen with internships.
College should align with its marketing. (Score:3, Insightful)
Most colleges will advertise how a degree will be good for a job. However once in college the professors will often go, this is an education institution not a job placement firm, or vocational school.
Most colleges train students to be professors to train students to be professors. The educational inbreeding problem.
Colleges and professors will need to realize that a lot of students want jobs outside of academia. Internships are excellent in nearly all ways.
The student gets real world experience, and gets exposure to the company.
The college gets support from these companies who like these students.
The companies gets cheap educated labor under the term internship.
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"However once in college the professors will often go, this is an education institution not a job placement firm, or vocational school."
And this is a fundamental problem with state run schools and tenure. Either the student is the customer or they aren't. If they are the customer, a simple complaint of any professor that spouts that kind of shit would result in disciplinary action or termination. The sad fact though is that colleges in general have moved so far into the brainwashing domain that only
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College has never been a job training program. It was either a wealthy person hangout for socializing, academic research, or wealthy person party/dumping ground.
Job training was done by apprenticeships, for close to 500 years. Internships are just an offshoot of that.
Education has never been and never will be a free market thing.
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For reference, I am talking about the US college/university system here. Maybe you missed the 1940s through the 1980s? Research and job training was the purpose of ALL the colleges founded in that time frame.
Education will never be a free market thing UNTIL THE PEOPLE FOOTING THE BILL DEMAND IT... FTFY
Incompetent? Or 800,000/yr oversupply? (Score:5, Insightful)
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this, I don't know but sounds like a shit load of engineers.
Ok a quick google search shows the US graduated 99k in 2014.... So India is producing EIGHT times the number we are.
I think we found the issue.
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Well given that India has more than 3x the US population, and then taking into account the fact that 60% of the grads are unemployable. That actually works out fairly equal when you think about it. Per capita, India would still be somewhat higher (~2x if my math is right -- always a questionable assumption) but that's within the realm of local variability, especially since India is still one of the big outsourcing countries (that is, their excess engineers are filling in for jobs in the US and other natio
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We have a winner (Score:2)
I think that is a very sensible observation.
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H1-B visas maybe?
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Is India creating 800,000 new jobs per year for those 800,000 new graduates?
No, but your manager contemplating outsourcing is creating jobs there.
The current unemployment is due to downturns elsewhere. There really are a huge number of tech jobs ending up there.
This is Genius (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, good to know India has the same B.S. narrative about why folks can't find work as the US.
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Where I work, interns do not generally lower the overall need for experienced headcount, usually slightly the opposite.
Not that having interns is a net-negative for the company, they stretch us to do things we otherwise wouldn't, but for every hour of essential work that an intern takes on, it seems that two hours are spent training them or checking the work before allowing it to be used.
That works fine (Score:2)
The dynamic changes drastically when you suddenly mandate 800,000 people get an internship or don't graduate. It's the same thing as that schmuk in Chicago who wants to mandate a 'plan' before high schoolers can graduate. Businesses will take advantage of the students need for an internship to
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Yup, that seems to be a reasonable interpretation. Incidentally very few interns actually do more useful work than they absorb in training them. They are fun to work with and the 3 month long interview is an excellent way of figuring out if they are worth employing. Given the expense of the high fuck up rate of employing fresh graduates I suspect it actually works out cheaper to have an intern program, simply because you end up employing known quantities.
Why not Germans? (Score:5, Interesting)
First, I will say that the program seems like a great idea and I wish them success.
Next, I can say that in my company, we had very, very bad luck with Indian engineers and SW developers. I am not talking about H1 imports either. Ultimately, I think it came down to cultural differences which created a mismatch of expectations from both sides.
After the 5th one, we more or less stopped considering those applications.
We are not a large company, but we do tend to have 5 to 10 interns at any one time. We did accept a few interns from India as well. We sponsored the visas and all that. Didn't really work out.
Then, we starting bringing German interns in. Maybe some people will get offended by this statement, but I can say in about 95% of the cases, the German interns we got were far superior engineers than our full time US master degree engineers. Their problem solving skills, critical thinking and overall work ethics were, for us, amazing.
For nearly all of them, at the end of their internship we offered them a contract plus visas. Of course, this is much easier to handle with Germans because of the visa treaty.
The thing is, they also ask for much less money than out of school Americans and they are vastly better engineers. Whatever they are doing in their schools seems to be working.
Basically what I am saying is, why do so many companies jump through hoops to bring in scores of cheap Indian guys when way better engineers are also willing to come?
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I mostly see your point and agree.
As to your final question, I can give a pretty straight forward yet long answer: because of a mix of 1. employers/managers wanting to maximize opex vs revenue, by just throwing cheap labour to the problem (IT's way of throwing money at the problem); and 2. because the HR teams/companies (i.e. recruiters) are so blindly incompetent by wanting them recruitment commission, they mostly have 0 filtering other than an IT degree check.
Companies should have 1to1 technical interview
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Companies should have 1to1 technical interviews and/or ask for past references, and I don't mean ref. letters, but flat out calls to former employers and teachers.
In the US, references from past employers are almost always limited to, "That person worked at this company from to ". Any mention of job performance is an open invitation to a lawsuit.
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And people wonder why the US is lagging in international test performance....
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Because they go to school much longer than US students.
While that is true you've taking a ludicrously over simplified view of education. German education is far more hands on. Internships are just the norm for engineers while they are still studying. The education system doesn't teach to the test, it teaches concepts. They aren't afraid to leave a poor little snowflake behind. In China you see some similar different approaches too. Whereas we pluck dumb kids out and put them into a special school to not drag down everyone, and focus all our attention to making
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Don't they also do the college/trade track thing in highschool? If you have the grades or test well, you get put in the college-prep classes. If you don't, you take classes targeting the trades.
Attempts to do that here are shot down as it's pretty brutal to tell a kid he's not cut out for college. ....of course, I think Germany has a slightly nicer cultural attitude when it comes to the trades.
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I think most of the states actually dropped the new program.
NRW was the last to switch back, but as I know, in 2016 they also went back to the old way.
I believe they are going to get rid of the bachelors program as well since German business do not like it.
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I have a good friend, who is himself German, with a full-time faculty position at a top U.S. university in CS. Last summer he taught in Germany as part of an exchange program. He himself came back basically blown away by the different level of preparation and maturity of the German students.
My take is that German universities actually maintain legitimate entrance standards. All college costs are paid by the government, there isn't a free-market race to the bottom, and the only people accepted are high-quali
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Sorry, but this is totally bullshit.
No one in Germany is withheld an education...full stop.
No one is told by anyone he cannot go to uni. He must decide by his own which path to take.
Even if he goes to realschule (non uni track) he can still later go to uni if he wants. It is not that hard to get accepted either. In the worst case he will need to take 1 or 2 years of prep school before starting. This is pretty common though.
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I find your xenophobic comment very ironic, given your signature.
But hey... TRUMP!!! Am I right??
Only place to intern them is ... (Score:5, Informative)
I am from India, and I *know* the abysmal quality of what passes for an engineering college there.
The poor and lower middle class of India know viscerally that education is the ticket out of poverty. They are willing to mortgage their family wealth, spend 40% of the meagre income on college tuition. They hope somehow their child, usually the eldest son, will somehow make it and pull their family out of poverty.
But that much of money coming out of ill informed population is a honey pot for the unscrupulous scammers of all stripes, politicians in particular. Every damned politician at state level owns college complexes. Engineering, medical, dental and nursing schools, all in one large campus, totally privately and individually owned by a state level minister. Corruption in management, recruiting faculty, running the college, collecting the fees, in admission procedure, everywhere is rampant. Most of these grads don't really make it out of poverty
But the degree they get B.E or B.Tech B.Arch MBBS are the same degrees awarded by real colleges like the IITs and NITs and AIIMS etc. So the ill formed poor people get scammed. It is not going to be fixed by passing a few laws by Delhi bureaucrats.
Quality education, be it engineering, be it Greek literature, needs investment and effort.
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Corruption in management, recruiting faculty, running the college, collecting the fees, in admission procedure, everywhere is rampant.
China and India both would have world power economies if not for this factor. The cognitive load required to function in a society where you're permanently on guard against being ripped off at every turn is truly enormous. It's downright debilitating, and made all the worse by being so pervasive it becomes unavoidable in certain sectors. The Western world seems weirdly unusual in history for its sheer honesty. Those days are fading as the kleptarchs return to power. It was good while it lasted.
It's not 1970 (Score:2)
Look at wikipedia - they already do!
Have you heard of a guy called Trump?
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China and India both would have world power economies
Look at wikipedia - they already do!
"World power economies" as in "11 supercarriers with accompanying battlegroups". "World power economies" as in "18 ballistic missile submarines". "World power economies" as in "oil is traded worldwide in their native currency."
The Western world seems weirdly unusual in history for its sheer honesty
Have you heard of a guy called Trump?
Yes. Which is why I wrote the next two sentences.
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Oh, yes. Calling somebody an "engineer" that is not even a fit technician is not going to work, because they cannot perform. It is a real tragedy though that people that have very little and do not understand what is going on get defrauded this way. This is a cultural problem though, and laws will not fix it. It needs generally good education for everybody to be fixed, but of course, that comes with these politicians and other profiteers losing their opportunities to make lots of money.
Now if only... (Score:2)
Not enough *employable* engineers?????? (Score:2, Informative)
How can there be a shortage of employable engineers getting churned out of the University system of India? I thought they all come to the United States on a "We don't have enough employable applicants in the U.S. for our corporations" H1B Visa.
Of course, it's a corporate lie that there are enough suitable applicants -- they just don't want to pay the US applicants what they deserve, so they are willing to have the gov't let ship in engineers from India for pennies on the dollar.
Could be a good thing (Score:5, Interesting)
Having worked with many degreed "engineers" from Asia and India, there is a huge variation in competence. Typically those that went through grad school in the US are solid engineers, however, those still in their home country are usually sub par for the field.
The article contains the problem. Engineering is very popular in India, thus, there are a lot of people getting the degree who have no business being engineers (this happens with any popular/trendy profession). However, engineering requires a certain mindset and a certain inherent intelligence. https://www.quora.com/How-do-t... [quora.com] If you don't have an IQ of at least 120 or higher, you will likely not do well as an engineer (your best hope is to get rapidly promoted to management, I have seen it happen numerous times). Since the median IQ is theoretically 100, and engineering is popular, you wind up with a sizable fraction who were able to cram their way through school, but who don't have the inherent capacity to do the job.
Hopefully with internships this will become more apparent to the affected students, allowing them to shift into other valuable but less intelligence intensive fields before they spend all 4 years on a field that they won't be successful in.
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Some US schools too.. (Score:2)
Dexel, Cornell, RIT - all require Co-ops, and not some dinky 12-24 weeks, but a minimum of 50 weeks. My daughter will be going on her first in January, and it is supposed to last till the beginning of August. (She's an EE Major)
These are not "unpaid internships" either - the school requires them to be real, paid Jr Engineer positions, and audits to make sure they aren't just making you fetch coffee. It is a reason they tend to get jobs
Their "employable engineers" (Score:5, Funny)
Having worked with their employable software engineers I shudder to think what their unemployable engineers are like.
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Most professional engineers do this everywhere (Score:2)
The "spin" on it in and the headline is somewhat sickening. Sure the submitter doesn't like Indians, we get that, but what's up with the editor today?
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Interns have a high turnover rate. This in general puts some stress on the institution, as they are always training. And they will not be around long enough to put on larger big picture projects.
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That insight requires some management skills. This AC does not seem to have any.
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Why would I pay an engineer fresh out of school when I can hire 5 undergrads for free?
Because the interns are gone at the end of the summer. Companies view internships as extended job interviews (interns should view them the same) not as a source of labor. By the time the intern is trained and productive, the internship is almost over.
Also, unpaid internships are generally illegal in America. I don't know how it works in India, but I doubt if these interns are working "for free".
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Unpaid internships are not necessarily illegal. It all depends on what the intern is doing.
Unfortunately, for laws to matter, they have to be enforced. Illegal unpaid internships go on all the time and no one cares.
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I should also mention that unpaid internships are yet another way the wealthy can give their kids an advantage.
If you can't afford to do an unpaid internship, you may not get that job, while the scion of a wealthy family can easily afford to get that boost into employment.
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Of Course wealthy want to use their wealth to give a boost to their kids. Otherwise whats the point of working hard to accumulate wealth?
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You're totally right. If they're rich, it's because Jesus wants them to be. Perhaps they should just be allowed to buy the best jobs for their stuck-up brats?
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Having done phone screening on a bunch of intern positions, I can vouch for the high fraud level among foreign resumes in general, but especially Indian resumes. Alarming numbers of eye catching experiences crumbled after slight probing. Why tell blatant lies if you can't even bluff your way through follow up questions?!
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I have seen that before. I once dealt with a "DBA" who didn't understand that "DROP TABLE" autocommits. Thnk $DEITY I had backups of the MySQL database, which were sent to a NAS that I had my manager purchase for "general admin tasks". Said DBA was supposedly a Linux "admin"... but when he got the "deer in headlights" look when I asked him to fetch updates from the internal mirrored repos first, since the machines were not a VLAN not accessible to or from the Internet.
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The actual interview, however, was off-the-charts - in a bad way. It was the single worst interview I've experienced in 20+ years. She couldn't answer any questions without a long, LONG pause. During the long, awkward pauses (it was totally
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"What can you possibly get out of 8-week internships?"
In two weeks I could teach you everything you need to know about basic electronic repair and diagnosis. I did this when employed at Solectron. That alone gives you the skills needed to handle most any general board-level repair.
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That alone gives you the skills needed to handle most any general board-level repair.
A thing that very few places do anymore. What else you got?
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A major form of corruption in India is giving internships to the kids of prospective clients governmental or non governmental. The elite already know internships improve employability. This measure is now forcing the first gen folks to also get internships which wont be that easy without the existing social capital.
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