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Free Movement of EU Citizens To Britain Will End in 2019 (standard.co.uk) 356

Free movement of EU citizens to Britain will end when the country leaves the EU in March 2019, Theresa May's spokesman said Monday, moving to contain a Cabinet row over immigration after Brexit. From a report: Downing Street (headquarters of the government of the United Kingdom) said on Monday it was "wrong" to suggest free movement would "continue as it is now" once Britain leaves the EU. It comes following days of confusion and rumours of infighting between Cabinet colleagues over the crucial issue of immigration after Brexit.
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Free Movement of EU Citizens To Britain Will End in 2019

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  • It was going to end on Friday. Then it wasn't. Now it is again. Anyone who responds to anything coming out of Downing Street at the moment with anything other than resigned bemusement is far too trusting. The government is as split as the country was and I'll be astonished if both major parties manage to survive Brexit. Worth bearing in mind that the man who holds the purse strings, Phillip Hammond, is not a fan.
    • Indeed. The Tory government is on such shaky ground right now that I think any grand proclamations from anyone within the government should be viewed with skepticism. This is a government lead by the lamest of duck PMs, who is almost certainly not going to survive to fight another general election, with a fairly significant contingent of Remainers on the back benches, and a goodly number of remainers on the Opposition benches (Corbyn's personal views notwithstanding). And really, there's every indication th

  • Query whether Theresa May will still be PM in 2019...

    • by Zocalo ( 252965 )
      Given how the Conservative party seems to be on the verge of having their internal struggles over the EU escalating to the next level as MPs and other staff try to position themselves to avoid any of the inevitable fallout when it turns out we actually can't have our cake and eat it, probably not. Actually, at this point, I wouldn't even put any money on them still being in government come 2019, let alone led by Theresa May. The EU has the UK by the balls over the Eire-Northern Ireland border issue, and e
  • Until next week (Score:4, Informative)

    by OneHundredAndTen ( 1523865 ) on Monday July 31, 2017 @12:48PM (#54914429)
    Next week they will say something different. The only thing that this current UK government has been consistent about is pissing into the wind.
  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Monday July 31, 2017 @12:49PM (#54914433)

    The British joined the EU with special conditions because their economy was in really bad shape. And now they want to leave to improve their economic position? This is really tragic. They seem to have decided that fucking themselves with a wire-brush is a really good idea. And now their moron-in-chief also wants a "hard" exit in addition? Well, we will miss you in the 1st world, that's for sure. And I am well aware that about half of you are _not_ terminally stupid. Makes it even more tragic.

    • That the EU became much more than a "Trade Union" to help free trade between nations and became a supernational government acting well beyond the limits of economics.

      I believe you have a very one sided view of who exactly screwed themselves with a wire brush. Numerous countries in the EU are taking issue with the Social policies the EU is trying to force on them.

      I wonder why people who promote the EU continuously ignore the first Nation to leave, and what a positive impact it has had on them. Hint: the UK

      • by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Monday July 31, 2017 @01:15PM (#54914689) Journal

        The entire point of the Common Market, and ultimately the EU was more than simply to have a trading bloc. It is to create extremely tight economic integration. There's a rather good reason for this, seeing as Europe had just gone through two cataclysmic general wars, and if you cast the net back a bit further, you have also have the Napoleonic Wars and major conflicts like the Franco-Prussian War. In other words, this is a region that was blown to bits multiple times over the last few centuries.

        Tight economic integration inevitably means some degree of political union. Now we can debate how much is too much, but in general, even in those countries where EU resentment is highest, countries like Poland, Hungary and Greece, people still in general view the EU positively. The Greeks made clear through multiple elections over the last five or six years that even with intense austerity, they not only want to remain in the EU, but the Eurozone.

        These claims that somehow Britain is the canary in the coalmine, that somehow there is going to be this exodus of nations from the EU, really are little more than a shallow attempt by Leavers to try to justify what just about everyone now knows to have been a stunningly idiotic referendum result.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Monday July 31, 2017 @03:30PM (#54915871) Homepage Journal

          The wars were not the only reason for tight integration. If you want to have really free and fair trade between nations then they all need to be playing by the same rules. The same standards, the same rules everywhere so that products and services can flow freely and no-one gains an unfair advantage.

          There is also the collective bargaining power that comes from being the second largest economy in the world. Outside of the EU, countries are already lining up to bully the UK into accepting their terms. Trump wants a quick deal because he knows we are weak and desperate, open to accepting US chlorinated chicken and hormone infused beef to lessen the pain of Brexit.

          Brexit is making the EU stronger. Merkel and Macron are reforming it, renewing it. Cameron could have been with them, getting the changes he wanted, if he had participated and built support instead of presenting a list of demands backed up by a threat.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          And this is just it: You do not make war on your close trading-partners. That alone is far more than ample compensation for some political unpleasantness.

        • The entire point of the Common Market, and ultimately the EU was more than simply to have a trading bloc. It is to create extremely tight economic integration. There's a rather good reason for this, seeing as Europe had just gone through two cataclysmic general wars, and if you cast the net back a bit further, you have also have the Napoleonic Wars and major conflicts like the Franco-Prussian War. In other words, this is a region that was blown to bits multiple times over the last few centuries.

          Exactly. That's what the moronic Brexiteers (and the other ridiculous nationalist, inward-looking, xenophobic forces all over Europe) seem to ignore, wilfully or otherwise - get rid of the EU and we are back to the different countries in Europe beating the crap out of each other on a regular basis. Brexiteers also seem to ignore that the British empire is long dead and buried. If they think that they are going to be able to bully and exploit the ex-colonies as they used to, they are in for a huge surprise -

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        • by Teun ( 17872 )
          Hehe, you are funny :)
          Granted, in the EU there is a need for more democracy but Brexit brings it closer.
          Historically only two countries have adamantly refused to seceded more power from the EU commission to the EU parliament and after the Brexit there is only one left, France.

          Please note, I'm not saying the EU commission is lacking democracy, after all it works like the governments in many democratic nations in that the members are appointed and controlled by democratically elected governments.
          Don't be
        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Monday July 31, 2017 @05:25PM (#54916719) Homepage Journal

          Not sure whether to laugh out cry at this.

          The EU has given us more power, more control and more sovereignty. Look at how strong consumer rights and employment rights are under it. Look at how the EU is able to tell the US to go fuck itself when it suits us.

          Outside the EU, we have countries lining up to screw us. How is being forced to accept US farming standards, far inferior to our own, "taking back control" or increasing our sovereignty?

          The EU is getting stronger. The far right and the populists have been exposed and rejected. Support for the EU is up, it's reforming itself and pushing ahead with the project now that the UK can't hold it back.

      • What positive effect did it have on Algeria?

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        What are you talking about? Nobody has left the EU to this date. Maybe that is why the "leavers" are ignored?

    • by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Monday July 31, 2017 @01:07PM (#54914611) Journal

      Theresa May has little real political capital anymore, and likely just as little power. There seem to be two competing groups in cabinet; with the Chancellor leading a Soft Brexit bloc and Boris Johnson and Michael Gove being among the chief Brexiteers. My wager is that in the end, with the PM really a dead woman walking, that Hammond's bloc will gain the upper hand, though Johnson, Gove and the 1922 Committee backbenchers will make his life grief. What does seem to be happening, which may have some interesting long-term ramifications for British politics, is that Brexit has divided Parliament into two groups, that don't really align well to the major parties; a Remain group of MPs, with a good many Tories, and probably most Labour MPs, along with the Liberal Democrats and SNP, and a Brexit group which probably represents a fair portion of the Conservative MPs, as well as some Labour MPs, most particularly Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn. From everything I'm reading, both the Tories and Labour are in a state of low-grade civil war right now, with some underlying threats that the Remain MPs, which make up the majority of the MPs in Westminster, could work together to scuttle a Hard Brexit.

      And while that's all going on, British and EU negotiators have to try to hammer out a deal that Parliament and all the other EU members can agree on. This is why some are beginning to speculate if Brexit will actually happen.

    • They seem to have decided that fucking themselves with a wire-brush is a really good idea.

      Quite.

      It seems that the main effect of Brexit is to reduce immigration, not by controlling borders, but by making the country sufficiently crap that people don't want to come here.

      Anyway I'm sure the shitholes which voted for Brexit will be much better off under an EU-free Tory rule. I hear the tories *LOVE* poor people.

      Anyway, the brexiters keep claiming there are valid arguments for leaving but I've yet to hear any.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @02:37AM (#54918243) Homepage Journal

        Apparently he angrily voted leave because the EU banned something they never actually banned.

        That pretty much sums up Brexit. There was a woman on the TV the other day saying she made a last minute decision to vote leave because of EU rules on straight bananas, one of the oldest and most widely debunked Euro myths.

        Most people know less than nothing about the EU. By that I mean that they aren't just ignorant, everything they think they know is a lie.

  • by Teun ( 17872 ) on Monday July 31, 2017 @01:01PM (#54914551)
    I don't any longer feel for contributing to their economy when they make it difficult to get in.
    My Pension date will be January 2018 so I can quit their new society of scare for and fear of their neighbours before it becomes problematic.

    Not that I believe they will impose great barriers to EU citizen, even in the Maggie Thatcher days there were no real issues getting in.
    The Bexiteers say they want to improve their standards of living by removing the EU rules and workers, well let me say there isn't a single employer in the UK that would hire an EU worker if he couldn't make money that way. Or more money than by employing a British national.

    The underlying issue of the Brexit campaign is the same as Trumps Make America Great Again, the portion of the population that has a lack of Self-respect. For some reason they feel (in their own country!) inferior to their foreign born fellow citizen.
    Something that has been instilled in parts of the British people by years of reading the tabloids that were full of nonsensical stories about crooked cucumbers and outsiders living of the meagre UK benefits. And other elements of the media that have never bothered much to set right these ridiculous misconceptions.

    The bottom line is I feel sorry for the enlightened Brits and the Europeans that had a good commercial relation with them.
    • I hardly think it's that nefarious. What is the best scale in which to apply the same set of economic rules (laws)? A million people (city-sized)? Tens of millions (country-sized)? Hundreds of millions (U.S. or EU sized)? The entire world? Too small and you lose out because of unnecessary bureaucracy (duplicated work, extra work to comply with similar but slightly different regulations). Too big and you lose out because of inability to make exceptions for deviations in local conditions.

      Nobody real
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Aren't you worried about your pension though? Aside from being decimated by the crashing economy, if you are outside the UK your state pension won't get yearly increases. Inside the EU it currently does, but not necessarily after Brexit.

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