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Intel Unveils One-Petabyte Storage Servers For Data Centers (theinquirer.net) 58

Slashdot reader #9,219 Guy Smiley shared this report on a new breed of high-density flash storage. The Inquirer reports: Intel has unveiled a brand new form factor for solid state disc drives (SSDs)... Intel Optane's new "ruler" format will allow up to a petabyte of storage on a single 1U server rack... By using 3D-NAND, the ruler crams in even more data and will provide more stability with less chance of catastrophic failure with data loss. The company has promised that the Ruler will have more bandwidth, input/output operations per second and lower latency than SAS... As part of the announcement, Intel also announced a range of "hard drive replacement" SSDs -- the S4500 and S4600 0 which are said to have the highest density 32-layer 3D NAND on the market, and are specifically aimed at data centres that want to move to solid state simply and if necessary, in stages.
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Intel Unveils One-Petabyte Storage Servers For Data Centers

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  • 32-layer 3D NAND

    What do you mean? Like the T-800 or onions/parfaits?

    • Yeah, what exactly does 'layer' mean here? Are they trying to say 5 voltage levels, that would give 32 variables? Or do they actually mean 32 levels, which would be hairy to maintain? Somehow, I've never had much confidence in multi-level cell flash, where one needs more than 2 voltage levels to increase the 'bits/cell' and thereby the density. Spansion had an interesting idea in ORNAND, where they had reversible source-drains to store 2 bits in a cell, but from what I recall, that had performance issu

      • by mlyle ( 148697 )

        It means 32 layers of cells in the chip, which themselves are probably TLC. 3D-NAND/VNAND are not new, and there's products with up to 64 layers in the market.

      • It means layers of transistors on each chip.

        Traditionally, silicon ICs consist of a single layer of transistors, with several layers of metal wire interconnects placed on top. In other words, the transistors are arranged in a 2D array over the surface of the die.

        The major breakthrough in flash memory a few years ago, was the development of "stacked transistors". In other words, multiple independent transistors could be stacked one on top of the other. This now typically goes by the name "3D", with cur
  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Saturday August 12, 2017 @01:39PM (#54999103)

    will they use SAS/SATA or pci-e or some intel only thing??

    But I may need to get an AMD EPYC system to get the PCI-e lanes to make the most of it unless you can get 4 cpus into an 1U box.

  • So is Intel also selling the raw components? In the past, they've been a neutral vendor. With this move, they could be making a huge jump into the storage industry, competing directly with HPE, Hitachi, and DellEMC.

    • It would make sense only if Intel has problems filling fab capacity, but I fail to see that happening. If they (re-)enter that market, they'll drive down the market prices of flash, making it a loss for everyone! They were in both the NOR flash business as well as the NAND flash business years ago as Numonyx, which they then sold to Micron, and then they formed a partnership w/ Micron on this.

      If they do that, I'd conclude that things are really bad at Intel

  • This image [anandtech.com] of the new drives loaded in a rack makes me think of this scene [wordpress.com] from 2001.

  • single 1U server rack.

    That's a really small rack. Why would anyone create a server rack with just a single 1U capacity? /s

  • Many industrial controls with SSDs seem to always fail and one of the projects I worked on was replacing the SSDs that come with them with a hard disk as they never seem to have problems like the SSDs do.

    I have seen other slashdotters on here who work in the enterprise who have loads of failed ssds on their desks, but their hard drives while slower are always less in quantity in comparison. It doesn't matter the brand. They all fail and when they do they go hard.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      AC here due to NDA, I am long time Data Center fellow (15+ years,) I do hardware engineering for the Data Center space for a big company you all hate and love. One of my biggest projects was designing a cabinet that had the highest storage capacity in the world.

      One thing I can speak for is SSDs. They are reliable, but they do have issues. Often times when you think an SSD has died it hasn't really died, usually it is due to a firmware bug. Last year I was going through a thousand SSD's from three manuf

    • Pointless anecdote. Extraordinary high failures rates in SSDs point towards problems in your power supply or heating more than anything else. The fact you can't keep them running in industrial applications especially is a sign of this as solid state electronics don't magically degrade outside of the known read/write failure mechanism.

      My own anecdote goes the opposite way. We have fun playing frisbie with the left over drive platters from the endless string of failures, and I'm sure every enterprise does as

  • OK, it costs a fortune at the moment, but can I just give a cheer for a hot-pluggable format for NVRAM? I've used the Samsung 960 pro M2 2TB, and it's blinding fast, but my Ops guys won't touch it for production as it means downtime on a failure (and it looks like we've got a failure after 4 months - thank goodness for warranties)

    I'm looking forward to 1PB in 1U, but my prediction for that being realistic is 2022 @ $120k.

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