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PayPal Debuts a Credit Card That Offers 2% Cash Back (bloomberg.com) 149

PayPal is turning to its old nemesis, plastic, to help it expand beyond the digital realm. From a report: The online payments venture is introducing a credit card that offers customers 2 percent cash back on purchases -- one of the industry's highest rebate rates -- with no annual fee. The rewards will appear in users' online wallets and can be spent immediately on additional PayPal purchases or transferred to a bank. The move is part of Chief Executive Officer Dan Schulman's effort to transform PayPal from a payments button on websites into a versatile financial tool for everyday use, even in brick-and-mortar stores. He's forged 24 deals over the past 18 months with technology and financial companies including Apple, Visa and JPMorgan Chase, looking to make PayPal ubiquitous in the lives of its 210 million customers. The company already tested the card with some of them.
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PayPal Debuts a Credit Card That Offers 2% Cash Back

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  • by thechemic ( 1329333 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @04:08PM (#55112619)
    With they way they unnecessarily seize the monetary assets of 100s of thousands of their customers, you're going to need the 2% cash back in order to justify your relationship with them.
    • you mean recoup fraud?
      • No. I don't mean recoup fraud. Start an eBay business and get it making more than about $4000/month. You'll find very quickly that PayPal will literally seize about 75% of your money and place it in "Reserve" status. You won't have any access to it for 180 days. In addition, they'll continue to freeze a certain percentage of all your income as your company grows. Need your money back to go on vacation: denied. Buying a house: denied. Think you can get your money back by closing your PayPal account:

        • That's because you are higher risk of fraud than a brick and mortar store that's been open for years. I'm sure there's hold back for regular stores, but probably closer to 60 days. They need a better security deposit to reduce the 180 days.
          • You have no idea what you're talking about. I was doing business for 17 years straight with zero incidents of fraud, charge-backs or any other issues when they decided to arbitrarily declare me a risk and seize my $14,000. Do a little searching; they're doing this to 10s of thousands of people all day every day.

            Within a few years, cryptocurrencies will make them completely obsolete. Personally, I believe PayPal is seizing assets to bolster their finances on paper for investors.

        • There's reasons why I don't often use Paypal to receive money and never leave money in my account. It would probably be easier to use it more and leave some there, just as it would probably be easier to give Paypal my banking information, but I don't trust them.

    • by Mitreya ( 579078 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [ayertim]> on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @07:44PM (#55113715)
      And they are still not a bank from any regulatory perspective (in US).
      • by quetwo ( 1203948 )

        They've been a bank for the last 17 years. The bank traded under the name "x.com", and was recently renamed when Elon purchased the name. They were FDIC insured as a bank until 2015 when they opted out after being spun off from eBay. Most customer accounts were considered "money market" accounts, and weren't insured, which is why they didn't offer any protections a normal bank does. Business accounts could setup a savings deposit which was insured, but they did make it difficult enough to do that most di

    • by Ed Tice ( 3732157 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @09:39PM (#55114141)
      Although this deserves the +5 (maybe Funny instead of Insightful), the vast majority of people who *pay* with Paypal have a great experience. It's the merchants who choose to accept Paypal that tend to have awful stories of not getting paid. I suspect that part of the reason, though, is that Paypal will accept merchants that Visa/MC would never take on as customers. Although Square seems to have managed to go after a similar market with a much better reputation.
    • by Chas ( 5144 )

      Exactly.

      Fuck PayPal. Them and the horse they rode in on.

    • I have a Pentagon Federal Access America checking account and a 1.2% cash-back Power Cash Rewards VISA. Because I have Pentagon Federal Credit Union's high-dividend (relatively-speaking) Access America checking product, their Power Cash Rewards VISA pays me 2% cash-back instead of the standard 1.2% rate.

      Pentagon Federal Credit Union is definitely not PayPal.

      *Overly-verbose statements of products I personally use are not endorsements.

  • PayPal issues credit cards, pays interest on balance... but still isn't (regulated as) a bank (in North America.)

    • from what I understand JP Morgan / Visa issue the card. Paypal just puts its name on it.

      • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @04:33PM (#55112789)
        Not quite. From TFA:

        >> PayPal is working with Mastercard Inc. and lender Synchrony Financial, the largest issuer of private-label credit cards, on its offer.
        • by green1 ( 322787 )

          So in other words, Synchrony Financial issues the card. Paypal just puts its name on it.
          So paypal has no need to be a bank for this, many non-bank companies have cards with their name on it without being banks. They're just not the ones who are actually issuing it.

          • by starless ( 60879 )

            I had really bad experiences with Synchrony administered store card: not taking payment transfer from bank account, then taking payment twice, then not taking following payment.

            I might actually prefer if it really was a paypal administered card!

      • by edjs ( 1043612 )

        It's a PayPal-branded MasterCard issued by Synchrony Bank. But yeah, nothing particularly special or different.

  • by sinij ( 911942 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @04:13PM (#55112655)
    Do they still randomly confiscate contents of your accounts? I guess since this is a credit card product, now they will also have an ability to max the credit card for you.
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    • "Do they still randomly confiscate contents of your accounts? "

      OMG that old crap. They have over 150 million customers, more than the next 5 worldwide banks combined and you still can't forgive the handful of locking accounts for security reasons when people bought things at home and the next day in their vacation 1000 miles away?
      Get a grip man.
      It was never random.
      Goggle locked my account when I used a fucking VPN without leaving my house.

      • by nehumanuscrede ( 624750 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @08:25PM (#55113873)

        Those of us that have first hand experience with PayPal's bullshit practices don't need to " get a grip ", we KNOW what PayPal does.

        Which is why we refuse to use it.

        One day you'll wake up to an email claiming your accounts have been frozen for ' security reasons ' and you'll begin the game of how to regain access to them.

        Assuming you can. I gave up after two years and just wrote the account off as a loss.

        Absolutely will not give them another dime by any means.

        Utilize their unregulated services at your own peril, but never claim you weren't warned.

  • US news only (Score:4, Informative)

    by courteaudotbiz ( 1191083 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @04:21PM (#55112703) Homepage
    Too bad this news is US only. I have a Canadian PayPal account and the page to sign up is not accessible.
    • by green1 ( 322787 )

      Honestly in Canada you have a lot of other options for cash-back credit cards already, and none of them require getting paypal involved.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Too bad this news is US only. I have a Canadian PayPal account and the page to sign up is not accessible.

      When I hear "WOW!!! Amazing CARD gives you X back and provides Y FREEE!!!" I immediately ask, "who is paying for it"?

      If no simple, reputable answer is forthcoming, I assume that I am.

      As with all credit cards, the merchant pays fees to accept it. As credit card companies in the US have made it pretty much illegal for a merchant to pass this on in the form of a surcharge, the do so by simply raising prices. So in the end, I'm paying more than 2% to get 2% cash back... However because most people don't

      • by Cederic ( 9623 )

        But the charge for accepting Mastercard is set by Mastercard, not by the card issuer. So the cost to the merchant for accepting the paypal card or another mastercard card.

        So no price rises as a result of this specific card..

  • by enjar ( 249223 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @04:23PM (#55112713) Homepage
    Now in addition to needing to reset my PayPal passwords at paypalscam.serv3486.co, I've got emails that tell me to log into paypal.scamhaus.ru so my credit card won't stop working. What's next, PayPal mortgages so I can have my down payment routed to ppmortgageredirectmoneyscam.biz?
    • Ar you still waiting for that dead Nigerian king's money? And your Russian girlfriend, is she with you yet?
      • by enjar ( 249223 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @04:40PM (#55112827) Homepage
        When the son of the deposed king of Nigeria emails you directly, asking for help, you help! His father ran the freaking country! As for the girlfriend, she has been running into one immigration hassle after another, so things keep getting delayed. She's also had to deal with her sick parents and a number of other personal issues. But the money I send is worth a lot more over there, so it goes a lot farther and we should have it all sorted out in a few months when we can get together. It seems crazy that this has been going on for a year already, but we are making do with photos, email, texts and Skype for now. But with all that money I'm making off the Nigerians, it's no big deal to cover these minimal expenses for the woman who is my soul mate, I'm sure!
        • Tell the Russian GF that if she does not hurry up you will switch your affections to a gorgeous and fabulously wealthy Nigerian princess who keeps emailing you, consumed with desire. I can put you in touch with one or two.

    • Phishing scams already attack your bank account, credit card, mortgage, tax etc etc. I fail to see how Paypal opening up to a different payment method has any affect on this.
  • by __aaclcg7560 ( 824291 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @04:36PM (#55112809)
    In other news, my credit union offered an "eclipse astounding" debt consolidation loan at 8% APR. The 2% back credit card that I have is 24% APR. If I pay the same monthly amount that I paid on the credit card for the debt consolidation loan, I'll be out of debt in three years. Seems like a no brainer.
    • by green1 ( 322787 )

      Or you could avoid carrying a balance.

      Credit cards are a horrendous place to keep your debt. But they're a great way to do your shopping. Make sure you pay off the credit card in full every single month. If you also have debt, make sure that's in a low interest bank loan, and never the 2 shall meet.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Fool. You are going to sink the economy, eliminate your own job and tank every investment you have. Consumer debt is the lifeblood of the American economy.

        • by green1 ( 322787 )

          Interestingly enough, I didn't even speak out against debt. I just suggested keeping debt in a low interest loan instead of on a credit card.

          That said, I maintain zero debt and strongly suggest that others do the same if at all possible (and it is possible for a much larger segment of the population than think it is)

    • Cool story bro, does your credit union also have a near ubiquitous online presence and is effectively transforming it's core business into something else? Maybe you want to head over to Breitbart if Slashdot covering an IT finance story somehow is too slow for you. I hear Trump fucked up something again.

    • Pay your bill in full every month, automatically (i.e. auto-pay), and you end up paying LESS than those who pay with cash or check, AND it's more convenient.

      Win win win, for me.

      (This new PayPal one isn't interesting, since there's already the DoubleCash card that's 2% back on everything, and many others that give even more than that for various categories..)

  • by vanyel ( 28049 )

    Been doing that for nearly 20 years with my Paypal debit card. Has the advantage that it sends me email every time it gets used too.

  • by Presence Eternal ( 56763 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @04:54PM (#55112897)

    If you use a 2% card in the long haul, that's likely going to pay for an entire year of your life, just by selecting said form of payment.

    Yes, you can argue about how it gets passed on the stores and thus the consumers till you're blue in the face, but none of the places I shop at offer cash discounts, even though they're allowed to, so it's strictly a disadvantage to not do this.

    Thing is, I'm really unsure about this offering. If it excludes paypal purchases from the 2% back, then it'd seem to make little sense, since you can otherwise just use an existing 2% back card with paypal.

    • but none of the places I shop at offer cash discounts, even though they're allowed to, so it's strictly a disadvantage to not do this.

      The *one* place that I've ever seen routinely give cash discounts is gas stations. (What are those? Only luddites who drive gas cars use those..)

      But at least back when I was routinely buying gas, if you INCLUDED the cash back portion, at the cheapest places, it made up the cash discount the vast majority of the time (and was e.g. just as cheap as Arco, which doesn't take cr

      • That would require physically going into the building and waiting in line and talking to a real human - sometimes twice, as there are places that have had too many drive-offs and require payment in advance, then if you don't use all the money you need change. For what a gas discount would be on gas, I don't consider it worth it.

  • I would not trust PayPal for anything important. I have an account with them, but it was only to pay for one thing online, that only accepted paypal. once they started accepting real CC's, I switched to using that. I have not logged into my PP account for years.

  • Someday, one of these tech companies will get smart and offer 7-10% interest on a card for those who are good risk.
    And when a good tech company does it, they will make millions off it.
    BUT, paypay is doing the SAME BS as other companies. High interest on all with some treats for the idiots.
    • Credit card industry is already super-competitive. If this was ever going to happen, so marginal bank or Discover card would already be doing it.

    • Someday, one of these tech companies will get smart and offer 7-10% interest on a card for those who are good risk.

      Those of us who are good risk generally pay 0% interest. There is nothing tech savvy about this market.

      • Someday, one of these tech companies will get smart and offer 7-10% interest on a card for those who are good risk.

        Those of us who are good risk generally pay 0% interest. There is nothing tech savvy about this market.

        Exactly this. You are a good risk if you do not need to borrow money. If you don't need to borrow money you can pay off your credit card bills in full. Zero interest is paid.

        Anyone who is paying a 10% fee to bankers for everything they buy is already a loser if they need to, and a fool if they don't.

  • Are you sure this was posted correctly? Really looks like an ad.

  • another (Score:4, Informative)

    by buddyglass ( 925859 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @07:55PM (#55113759)
    CitiBank has one of these as well. You get 1% at the time of purchase and 1% when you pay down your balance:

    https://www.citi.com/credit-cards/credit-card-details/citi.action?ID=citi-double-cash-credit-card [citi.com]
  • by Anonymous Coward

    I've had a 2% cash back, zero fee credit card from CapitalOne for about 4 years now.

  • by crow ( 16139 ) on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @10:00PM (#55114189) Homepage Journal

    With any luck, this will get enough attention to push other cards to 2% on all purchases. Many will do up to 5% on purchases of selected types (typically gas and restaurants), but are 1% in general. Perhaps this will push them to 2%? I sure hope so!

    Remember, credit cards used to give you nothing. Then there were air miles cards and Discover offered cash, which eventually led to other cards also giving cash. So despite all of them essentially using the same back end (Visa/MasterCard), there's a lot of competition between card issuers, so I'm optimistic.

    • by pots ( 5047349 )
      My guess: this is a company which has finally gotten around to paying customers for their private data, instead of just taking it and giving nothing in return. Paypal is still not a bank, remember, so they don't have the same limits on data monetization that banks do.

      Another possibility is that they screwing the merchants for the extra money. Discover similarly offers relatively high cash back, but charges merchants higher fees to cover it. Since this is apparently a Mastercard I don't know how that woul
  • by Anonymous Coward

    This is an ad and it's sad that a mod will have the decency to remove this reply but allow shit like this to make it onto Slashdot.

  • This socalled cashback is nothing more than a discount on purchases when you buy stuff, and 2% is $2 in every $100 - when has that ever mattered to a real person? And actually, why would anybody use a credit card in an age where debit cards are available - or am I missing something? I have a debit card with my bank account, and I know from experience that it works in shops and cash machines all over Europe, in the US and in China. I would have to pay an annual or monthly fee for having a credit card at all,

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