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Google Glitch Took Thousands of Chromebooks Offline (geekwire.com) 77

Posted by EditorDavid from the no-internet-for-you dept.
Slashdot reader Bismillah was the first to notice stories about Chromebooks going offline. GeekWire reports: Tens of thousands, perhaps millions, of Google Chromebooks, widely prized by schools due to their low cost and ease of configuration, were reported to be offline for several hours on Tuesday. The apparent cause? A seemingly botched WiFi policy update pushed out by Google that caused many Chromebooks to forget their approved network connection, leaving students disconnected.
Google eventually issued a new network policy without the glitch -- but not everyone was satisfied. The Director of Technology at one school district complains Google waited three and a half hours before publicly acknowledging the problem -- adding that "manually joining a WiFi network on 10,000+ Chromebooks is a nightmare."
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  • manually joining a WiFi network on 10,000+ Chromebooks is a nightmare

    Yep.

    Bet you're happy they've quit putting Ethernet ports on everything huh? You know, with an Ethernet port, even if they almost never used them, you could dust it off, plug in a cable later and get the update that would fix your WiFi issue. If only you had the port.

    I stay mad at Macbooks over the lack of Ethernet jacks these days, Chromebooks are a mixed lot, but one thing I do know, Samsung put out some really thin systems with a fold-down Ethernet port so there's no excuse not to have and and having one is much more reasonable than expecting everyone to keep up with a dongle.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      No you don't get it, the dongle costs like $40. They can put out a fancy "ultradongle" later for $150 or something insane, for "power users" who "want ethernet" and such.

      This has got to be a deliberate strategy, like Ajit Pai allowing Comcast to put up toll roads while crowing about fantasy bullshit free-market rhetoric. It's about $, duh.

      • I've paid around $7 for a 10/100/1000 USB 3 dongle before. You just have to be willing to put your trust into cheap stuff from China if you do that. I have to say, it works rather well. For around $20 I bought a 10/100/1000 dongle with a three port USB 3 hub in it. That one is super handy.

        • Does a Chromebook have a driver/support for such a dongle?

          • Depends.

            Just like nearly everything it depends on which chips are on-board. I know in many cases even stuff that's well supported in Linux is sometimes stripped out of a Chromebook kernel for performance and lock-in reasons. My guess - maybe. I've had good luck mostly with modern USB devices, but I did run into one USB C item that required a driver install when I put it on a Mac.

    • Bet you're happy they've quit putting Ethernet ports on everything huh?

      I bet they are. At $5 a pop, that would have added $50k to the cost of a 10k unit order. For what? An external USB-to-Ethernet dongle ($10 on Amazon) is far more economical, since you don't need one for every Chromebook (unless your router/server has 10,000 ethernet ports).

      Adding hardwired ethernet to every computer "just in case" makes about as much sense as including an RS-232 and a parallel printer port. Those can also be done with a dongle.

      • An Ethernet port is nowhere NEAR RS-232, PS/2, Parallel port territory. I'm personally considering turning off the WiFi in my own home and just going straight wire on everything, the phones are the only reason I don't. Ethernet is still in heavy use throughout the world and I still encourage my users to plug their damned cable in when they're at their desk, especially if they want me to remote in and fix something.

      • It's actually closer to 10 cents a pop [alibaba.com]. So it adds $1000 to a 10k unit order.

        If the poor IT guy has to wait 10 seconds for the USB-to-ethernet dongle to be recognized (we'll assume "it just works" and no time is needed for driver installation), for 10k units that's 27.8 hours of extra billable time. If he makes $50k/yr, that's $25/hour. So the extra cost to use a USB-to-ethernet dongle per 10k units is $695 per incident. Just two incidents and the built-in ethernet port is cheaper.

        RS-232 and paral

    • Lol, really?

      You think that a school district somehow has the switches and cables to manually plug in 10,000 normally wifi enabled devices?

      You think they're going to put network devices where students can access them to even be able to plug them in?

      You think it's reasonable to take a class of 20-30 kids and string cables across the room?

      I get the hate for Macs losing their ports, and that's one reason I moved away from them personally. But chromebooks are very strongly marketed towards education, and specifi

      • You think that a school district somehow has the switches and cables to manually plug in 10,000 normally wifi enabled devices?

        You say that like every one of them has to be plugged in at the same time so patches will install.

        You think they're going to put network devices where students can access them to even be able to plug them in?
        I would argue that WiFi access points are network devices where students can access

        You think it's reasonable to take a class of 20-30 kids and string cables across the room?
        Do yo

        • Spoken like someone who hasn't seen the inside of a school since the chromebook revolution.

          Chromebooks live on carts, usually in the library. Those carts are charging stations. Teachers reserve the carts, then someone hauls them down to their classroom, the kids pull the chromebooks off the carts, pop them open, use them, throw them back into the cart, and it goes back to the library. In general, there are enough for a sizable percent of the kids in a school to use at one time. Many schools are one-to-one,

          • Some districts. My buddy who lives in the same town as me, but on the other side of the county line so is in a different district than my kids has a different setup. His district wants every kid to have a Chromebook owned by the school (they wanted a $200 deposit - yes I see the same thing you do with that) that the parents are fully responsible for financially, but is under the schools control. Every kid is expected to be walking around the school with a Chromebook at all times.

            There are ways around thi

  • You get what you paid for (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Saturday December 09, 2017 @05:45PM (#55707985)
    You get a cheap gadget created a a giant corporation used for collecting and re-selling information about the "users" and expect to use that as a PC. What'd you expect?

    • In Education, they got a cheap gadget that pupils can use for their schoolwork. It should be possible for School Districts to host all the 'stuff' that a Chromebook needs on a local wifi based network. The Chromebook apps should all be pushed from the local network and it should be possible for the school district to unplug from the Internet as a whole, or strictly firewall it, to maintain an enclosed learning environment.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Osgeld ( 1900440 )

        there's plenty of other cheap gadgets that could fit that bill

    • Re:You get what you paid for (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Saturday December 09, 2017 @05:59PM (#55708045)

      ... and expect to use that as a PC.

      Schools do NOT expect to use Chromebooks as PCs. They use them as thin clients, running everything in a browser. The kids can't mess them up, because, well, there is nothing on them.

      The schools know what they want, and Chromebooks deliver it. Nobody is being deceived.

      • The schools know what they want, and Chromebooks deliver it.

        Without a network connection, these Chromebooks weren’t delivering anything.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Osgeld ( 1900440 )

        The kids can't mess them up

        only google, and apparently on a massive scale

      • And thus we are back where we started before the PC. Mainframes that control everything and the user is dictated to. Good job google, you set us back to the mainframe era..

        • For a school with thousands of students, what do you suggest as an alternative?

          If you give them "real" PCs, they will screw them up, and you will need dozens of IT staff to delete viruses and reformat drives. At any given time, you will have hundreds of students without working computers.

          The old solution was to reformat the drive everyday to a standard image, which means that the PC is just an expensive thin client. With a Chromebook, you get the thin client for less money, without the hassle of reformatt

          • You get a thin client that you control...that is the difference. Updates should go through a LOCAL QA process before being deployed on your network. That is a professional job that you cant just hand-wave away to pretend to save money. You arent supposed to outsource everything. You dont outsource your local network, that is just insanely stupid. If you are deploying for 10,000 kids, you NEED an in-house IT staff that controls the machines end-to-end.

    • Interesting comment.

      a) They aren't cheap.
      b) Google doesn't resell user data from people who's accounts are tied to Google Edu for legal reasons
      c) "users" are actually users, there's no need for quotes.
      d) These aren't PCs, they are specific devices designed to run specific software for specific purposes replacing locked down iPads
      e) You don't expect your cloud vendor to knock you offline, especially someone with the size, and presumed professionalism of Google. What you normally expect is better, more stable

  • Comment removed (Score:4, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday December 09, 2017 @05:46PM (#55707995)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion

    • We've since decided that we are walking back Chromebooks for staff members and putting them back on Windows laptops. Between the functional limitations of a chromebook, and the centralized parts we can't control, we've decided that an entirely cloud strategy for students and teachers is too risky.

      So, out of the frying pan and into the fire?

    • Students will be cloud provisioned. At least this way when Google's infrastructure shits the bed, the business side of the school can keep going.

      At least the business side can keep spending tax payer money eh?

    • With 40 units it doesn't sound like an unmanageable situation that would benefit from outsourcing in the first place.

  • Chromebook -- a cloud-centric device that even the owner doesn't control. Basically, time-share computing updated for the 2000s -- should anyone be surprised that the people (Google) calling the shots occasionally screw up and screw their users? (I won't say "customers", since Google's real "customers" are advertisers and firms that buy customer data.)

  • No School Today! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Fly Swatter ( 30498 ) on Saturday December 09, 2017 @06:19PM (#55708123) Homepage

    ..because the vendor pushed out an untested update again. Now we are teaching children to accept being dependent on a single point of tech failure. Good old pen and paper is still better, your brain retains the info better too.

    -Time to seed my lawn, get off.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by DogDude ( 805747 )
      Now we are teaching children to accept being dependent on a single point of tech failure

      That's exactly right. "Google's broken today, so we can't work! Oh, and there's literally nothing we can do about it. We can't even call Google. We just have to wait until Google deems we're ready to begin doing things again. That's the way we live our lives these days."

    • No school today...because the vendor pushed out an untested update again.

      Let me help you, as it appears you didn't do 30 seconds of Googling to help yourself. Chrome OS is heavily beta tested [googleblog.com], and is built upon Chromium OS [chromium.org], which it itself is heavily beta tested [chromium.org]. As a Google admin for a public K-12 school (~1200 Chromebooks), I have the option of assigning all my Chrome devices into one of three categories of development [google.com]. Google "recommends" I activate a policy that will randomly assign 5% of all devices

    • Now we are teaching children to accept being dependent on a single point of tech failure.

      Haven't we always? Given the way people use their own personal devices I will happily recommend cloud based solutions to a lot of people. That "someone else" who runs "someone else's computer" is much better at it than the general population.

      Good old pen and paper is still better, your brain retains the info better too.

      At what? The latter part of your sentence seems to imply that they are reading from them, that's about one of the few things that Chrome books don't get used for in my wife's school. Now are pen and paper better at taking automated online tests? Sending emails? Editing

  • which hammered our Windows servers for more than a week since it was a 1.1 GB update, and they for some reason decided to save the update in 11 KB files with another about 10 KB index file for every one of those files.

    • You're supposed to run this -

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      The first version of WSUS was known as Software Update Services (SUS). At first, it only delivered hotfixes and patches for Microsoft operating systems. SUS ran on a Windows Server operating system and downloaded updates for the specified versions of Windows from the remote Windows Update site which was operated by Microsoft. Clients could then download updates from this internal server, rather than connecting directly to Windows Update. Support for SUS by Microsoft was originally planned to end on December 6, 2006, but based on user feedback, the date was extended to July 10, 2007.

      WSUS builds on SUS by expanding the range of software it can update. The WSUS infrastructure allows automatic downloads of updates, hotfixes, service packs, device drivers and feature packs to clients in an organization from a central server(s).

  • Manually joining 10000 chromebooks? There are 10,000 students and their care givers. Teach them to join wi-fi. It is a school! Teach them!.

  • Isn't this what they wanted? To put all their eggs in one basket? Even though they knew Google was the one holding the basket.

  • ... without a chromebook. The Children will be fine for 3 hours without one.

  • Google glitch sounds like a new product. How did it take machines offline again?

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