YouTube Kids Has Videos on How Reptilians Rule the World, Moon Landing Was Fake (gizmodo.com) 258
An anonymous reader shares a report: YouTube Kids, the supposedly child-friendly version of YouTube that's been shown to often play host to troves of slop content and disturbing videos, apparently was showing videos from British conspiracy theorist David Icke, a guy who believes reptilian aliens secretly control the world and are responsible for the Holocaust. According to a Saturday report in Business Insider, searching for the term "UFO" on YouTube kids turned up a video purporting "to show a UFO shooting at a chemtrail." The suggested followups for that video featured a number of Icke's clips, including a nearly five-hour lecture on how aliens built the pyramids and secretly run the planet through a ruling class extraterrestrial-human hybrids. The video also delves into a number of other conspiracy theories, including claims Freemasons indulge in human sacrifice and President John F. Kennedy was assassinated by his own government.
According to Business Insider, "Two other conspiracy theory videos by Icke appeared in the related videos, meaning it was easy for children to quickly go from watching relatively innocent videos about toys to conspiracy content." Searching for the term "moon landing" also resulted in a number of conspiratorial videos emerging, including one making the claim that CERN's Large Hadron Collider had opened a portal to another world that an unfortunate employee then vanished in.
According to Business Insider, "Two other conspiracy theory videos by Icke appeared in the related videos, meaning it was easy for children to quickly go from watching relatively innocent videos about toys to conspiracy content." Searching for the term "moon landing" also resulted in a number of conspiratorial videos emerging, including one making the claim that CERN's Large Hadron Collider had opened a portal to another world that an unfortunate employee then vanished in.
Demonetization (Score:5, Insightful)
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Especially the gun related channels - even if most of them are actually pretty informative, like "forgotten weapons".
Another channel that I do follow is bosnianbill.
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That one has been very weird, considering that some advertisers were reporting that they were unable to advertise even through they wanted to.
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Did YouTube demonetize them or did advertisers ask not to be on gun related channels? The advertisers are the ones driving this. After a serious of scandals they want to protect their brands and are quite conservative.
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They're really screwing themselves over with it as well as channels are going to start reading some ad copy before videos similar to how many podcasts support themselves finan
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I don't understand. Why would demonetization make the videos more suitable for children? AFAIK, it just leads to less clickbait.
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It may come as a surprise to you, but a 'log' of adults are interested in things besides the progressive-left's neo-marxist propaganda.
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It may come as a surprise to OP+1 but demonetizing content makes it cheaper to buy ad space and one can always monetize later
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I think the OP wanted to say (or should have said) is that almost nobody is interested in either propaganda, whether "progressive-left neo marxist" or "alt-right neo-nazi" and that it's totally okay for the vast majority of people on earth when neither progressive-left neo-marxists nor alt-right neo-nazis make money from advertisement on their channel.
Note that demonetization doesn't mean that the propaganda is removed.
That being said, I'm personally also fine with remove all this trash. I have watched ISIS
Re: Demonetization (Score:1)
It may come as a surprise to you that they demonetize mostly videos that have nothing to do with politics.
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Yes, the videos that I've noticed demonetised the most are music theory educational videos who use a 61 second excerpt of some obscure jazz record from the 50s.
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I believe under US copyright law you can only use up to 2 seconds of any sound clip under fair use.
This is often held to be 30 seconds but a quick google shows there is no basis in law for 30 seconds. I can't find anything for 2 seconds, but it was on a youtube video by someone mocking copyright law and the concept of fair use and how it's mostly useless. I assume they did the research.
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Why should it be "fair use" to use some others work for 2 seconds in your own "commercial use"?
Re: Demonetization (Score:4, Insightful)
First let's take a step back - why should anything be protected by copyright in the first place? The answer is of course that we want to encourage people to create things. All the rules should pretty much follow from there: will this usage impact the incentive to create in some significant way? As an example, creating a video where you compare the beats in two songs, playing a small sample from each song, has zero commercial impact one way or another on the value of the two songs. The creators will continue to create.
So don't ask, "Why should x be allowed to use x's work?"
Ask, "Why should our government expend time and money protecting x's work?"
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Let's take a step back and get on topic. Clearly YouTube for kids is just a google marketing scam, this is all they care about https://support.google.com/you... [google.com]. So Google you pack of privacy invasive democracy hacks, who vets you ads to make sure they are kid safe and not harmful, or is it just higher bidder to target a captured audience. I also note zero mention of whether they monitor you children's activity and push specifically targeted manipulative ads at them. Why would anyone trust a for profit know
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My governmet is not spending any time or money to protect X's work.
X has himself to go to court to protect his work or demand compensations ...
Regarding comparing two songs in a video and only sampling a few seconds: that is completely legal.
So: no idea what your point is.
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My governmet
I don't know what government that is - in the US, there are criminal copyright laws and even an entire government body [wikipedia.org].
X has himself to go to court to protect his work or demand compensations ...
And who pays for these courts? The only reason they have any protection of their work at all is the government. And of course we the people need to spend money on lawyers to make sure everything is above board or to defend ourselves in court - all expenses that would not exist if not for copyright law.
Regarding comparing two songs in a video and only sampling a few seconds: that is completely legal.
I never said otherwise. It's an example of fair use.
So: no idea what your point is.
You wrote: 'Why should it be "fair use
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And who pays for these courts?
The one who loses the case.
Anyone who uses IP to make a living is basically getting a huge-ass subsidy from the government
So is everyone who owns land and uses it to build a house on top of it to rent it to poor blokes who are to poor to own such lands themselves and live in their own house.
Or so is everyone who owns some land and farms it and lives from the fruits he farms.
Or so is everyone who rented some land from the government and has a exploiting/mining license and mines
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The one who loses the case.
Not in the US. The courts are taxpayer funded. Criminal courts are entirely taxpayer funded.
So is everyone who owns land and uses it to build a house on top of it to rent it to poor blokes who are to poor to own such lands themselves and live in their own house.
Yes, and those lucky bastards get to pay property tax, which in this country funds all of the roads, schools, and often infrastructure like sewer lines.
But you are correct in pointing out other beneficiaries of government subsidy - all of those need to be justified. You would never argue "Why should you have a right to hike on valuable mineral lands?" You instead would ask, "Why should we let this company mine this g
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Not in the US. The courts are taxpayer funded. Criminal courts are entirely taxpayer funded.
A "normal" copyright infringement case, is a civil case.
Yes, I'm aware of this. And the reason is an incentive to create, not some moral reasoning.
In your country, not in mine.
I was directly responding to your 2-second clip comment, which you yourself point out is a perfectly legal use.
Depends what you do with those 2 seconds. If it a "sample" of a song, and you use it as background rhythm for a new song, then it is
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A "normal" copyright infringement case, is a civil case.
If you'd like to define it as such, sure. I don't know why criminal cases aren't "normal", but I don't want to argue semantics. In any case, the courts are still operated by the government. Maybe your country has a different arrangement... it doesn't really matter whether your government pays or the litigants pay - the central point is that the existence of copyright is not free. Money - lots of money - is spent on IP, so a cost-benefit analysis is appropriate.
In your country, not in mine.
If your country is the UK, then the origins of
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And the "commercial value of the original work" has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
It has everything to do with the topic. It's the whole point of copyright.
No it has not, if you copy my work and redistribute it, it is a cooyright infringement. Regardless if you make money from it or if I lose money by it. Most countries have no 'fair use clauses' anyway.
In the US you have the idea that copyright exists to give authors an incentive to create more works, beccause that is how it is written in the constitution. In Europe the incentive simply us to protect the work.
The court costs are irrelevant, you need the courts anyway. I doubt I would pay a noticeable less amo
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In the US you have the idea that copyright exists to give authors an incentive to create more works, beccause that is how it is written in the constitution. In Europe the incentive simply us to protect the work.
OK? I'm in the US - that's our justification for copyright.
The court costs are irrelevant, you need the courts anyway.
Surely that isn't your real argument? You don't think there are marginal costs associated with adding more cases? More judges, more staff, more courtrooms to handle the caseload?
noticeable less amount of tax money
You are very hung up on tax money. Societal cost (in dollars) of a law is more than just tax money. Obamacare, for instance, used tax money - but it also required people to purchase private health insurance with their own dollars. It's a law that costs people thousands of do
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We actually don't 'fiddle' with it.
We got forced by the US to implement some thing like the DMCA.
And Germany had a slight copyright reform strengthening the rights of creators (e.g. mandatory financial compensation if a new way to reuse a work is exploited by the 'labels')
That basically is it. Besides that the copyright in Germany is basically the same as 150 years ago.
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I think we are down to semantics. It's not static, even if you consider the changes minor. I used the word "fiddle" because I feel it implies minor change. So I think we agree on this point.
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The government does not expend time and money protecting x's work.
They most certainly do - there are criminal as well as civil aspects to copyright law. But even if there were no criminal cases, without the government there would be no such thing as IP at all. We as a society spend a lot of time and money dealing with IP. You can argue cost-benefit, but you can't argue that we don't spend a fortune on it.
But that's all a tangent - my point was that the GP had it backwards... the person with active government support is the one that needs to justify that support, not the o
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The government does not expend time and money protecting x's work.
Unlike the tides and the seasons, laws and legal systems are human constructs. In the USA this involves branches of the government to create and maintain.
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Itâ(TM)s a lot more complicated than that. 2 seconds applies to sampling. However researchers, educators and critics can use arbitrarily larger segments within reason. Musics a complicated case because of the separation between performance vs publishing rights , but a 20-30 second excerpt to analyse chord structure or scale use is permissible for sure
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Really? Did they take down all the videos where Elsa and Spiderman poop, get drunk, and inject each other with needles...? No. But they have to take down conspiracy theory videos. Just make sure you believe it's "for the children".
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Reptilians did the holocaust? (Score:1, Funny)
What a moron. Everyone knows the Holocaust didn't happen.
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So Nazi Germany never happened?
Are you from Blight Insular 1 [wikipedia.org] by any chance?
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Most of the holocaust deniers say that the prisoners died out of hunger rather than being systematically eliminated, due the lack of resources due the war etc..
But i don't think that makes it any better, as now we have a scenario where the nazi just sat and watched everyone starve to death, instead of just surrendering em to the allies etc..
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Re:Reptilians did the holocaust? (Score:5, Insightful)
Which one is the democracy?
That's pretty much exactly what the fuck it is. Dumbass. No, really. The first amendment exists because King George didn't like colonists talking smack about him, and used military force to suppress opinions. Maybe you think that political speech is different than calling you a dumbass. That's because you're a dumbass. King Dumbass, in fact..... And I don't quite like the royal decrees you've made concerning what I may or may not say.
You're new to the Internets, I see.
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First amendment protections is just something we use to soothe our denial about the takeover by profit driven institutions of the public square. Your right to speech on the internet is limited to what corporations are willing to tolerate, not what is considered legal under the constitution.
If you don't like it, feel free to start your own platform, isp, domain registrar, and data exchange. If you manage to get that far, watch out for someone to nail you for 'hate speech' violations, or failing to censor t
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Freedom of speech does not equal the privilege to insult others at will.
Yes it does, you fuckstain.
The Internet - the meme machine (Score:5, Interesting)
In the 90's I once heard someone boast that the Internet is the place where religions go to die...
Little did he know that the Internet is where even more bizarre and unsustainable ideas such as Flat Earth and Lizard rulers go to get new life and willing meme hosts.
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Reptilians Rule the World? I'd buy that. (Score:2)
... Reptilians Rule the World ...
Have you seen photos of our World Leaders and Corporate Overlords? Many of them probably keep really young spouses hostage so they can leech youth from them while they sleep.
Of course, like all reptiles, they love their sunshine [businessinsider.com].
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I agree! Has anyone ever tried to negotiate with an alligator? They ignore your offers and the only counter-offer is biting down hard on you and rapidly spinning. Your body parts come off and they eat you. End of negotiations.
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I have seen a picture of Macron's wife, yes.
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She's old, but I doubt she predates mammals.
It's all Children's Stories (Score:2)
Most kids are smart enough to realize that the world is not run by reptilian aliens in the same way that they don't worry about running into an evil witch who eats children and lives in a gingerbread house every time the
That's Icke (Score:2, Interesting)
The difference between the "alternative" and conspiracy media in the UK and the US outlets like Infowars is that David Icke actually challenges the prevailing political power structure, where Infowars supports and is used by the prevailing political power structure.
This is a complete reversal for conspiracy media in the United States. Until very recently, it was always hostile to those in power. Today, it is the tool of those in power.
Please don't take these down (Score:4, Insightful)
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isn't that right? i mean, maybe this Icke guy is just a joker. who can tell the difference between the onion and real news anymore these days?
Re:Please don't take these down (Score:4, Interesting)
In 10 years, they may be the only service around anymore. Copyright holders are pushing to overturn the DMCA stuff that lets services not be held responsible for copyright violations as long as they take down such when notified, in a timely manner.
This helped the Internet and its companies grow explosively in the US. Only the giants will be able to provide anymore if this is repealed.
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I am not a practicing christian or anything but Christianity has grown more appealing to me with age rather than less. A child might read the bible and take away the simplistic (a little snide) interpretation of hell you outlined... An adult might read it and decide it is a metaphor. Alternatively, if taken as true, they might decide that hell is a separation from god in the afterlife and that sheol or hades is where all spirits used to go
Kids search for term, get videos (Score:4, Insightful)
Why shouldn't the kids see these videos? It's not like it's porn or bloody murder. So they get to see a kook, and their parents get a lot of questions for a week.
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Kids are very suggestable. Even if they can identify a lot of it is garbage, there may be some parts that they internalise and later come to believe as the truth, just through distorted memories and "hearing from someone once". Doesn't take much for 1 kid to tell another kid about this "truth", and the 2nd kid believes it and repeats it everywhere.
Also I doubt a kid is going to watch a 5 hour lecture, but they might watch the first 5 minutes and take whatever is said away.
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So we agree that kids are very suggestible and we (as a society) have come to the conclusion that massive advertising agencies with teams of people that are trained in psychological manipulation can have access to children (for profit), but children can't even be accidentally exposed to crackpots because something might be repeated to another kid.
Actually, it is't we as a society that have come to this conclusion but Alphabet, the largest advertising company in the world.
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Why shouldn't the kids see these videos?
Indeed! And someone has to tell the kids about Slenderman. It's better than having them find out the hard way.
Greedy Google (Score:2)
And everything we see isn't... (Score:1)
And videos on how Liberals want to save us everything they see as evil is a conspiracy? And videos on how conservatives have our best interests in mind on the economy isn't a conspiracy? Holy SHIT! Everything you see in video is a conspiracy theory? Hell even HILLARY was into conspiracy theories - remember "it's a right wing conspiracy!"
Hell how do we know David Icke isn't right? How do we know Trump is REALLY president and not someone else? Heck even the sun shining is a conspiracy theory! You just THINK i
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One gets around this with actual measurements on the quality and length of life [juliansimon.com].
It's getting better, and, as long as people are economically free to solve problems, they will be solved faster than they become serious, and conditions will continue to improve.
The error in the so-called Chicken Little warnings was refusing to recognize this process works, and so well you can make predictions with it on the quality and length of life, price of commodities, and so on.
Actual measurements.
Icke = anti-War, pro-Human... (Score:2, Informative)
The problem with Icke is that he constantly speads an ANTI-WAR agenda, with well considered pro-Humanist arguments. The exact opposite of team Blair/Clinton/Merkel/Macron etc.
David Icke is the enemy of all Fabian (named as Ingsoc in Orwell's 1984) organisations, especially the BBC and Guardian newspaper (both of which were at the forefront of pushing Blair's Iraq WMD lies to the planet).
Icke's books are remarkable when you ignore the 10% of colourful fantasy all such thinkers seem to include. But it is the
Silly Human, YouTube's not for kids (Score:2)
It seems that just mentioning YouTube in a story automatically conjures up a 15 point drop in the average IQ of its commenters.
No kids in the house (Score:2)
But could someone check if there are some good videos of Jesus riding a dinosaur in the kids section?
I pretty mush only use youtube for (free) movies, music videos and Russian Car Crash videos.
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Nice.
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No hiss.
At last! (Score:1)
Time Honored Tradition (Score:4, Funny)
Instead of removing the conspiracy videos, we need MORE of them.
Remember the Calvin & Hobbes comics, where the dad would make up nonsense about the past - like the world being in black & white until 1950 or so? Well Dads (and uncles) across time have reserved the right to feed kids the most outlandish nonsense about how the universe is or works.
Besides the LOLs, it provides great practical value for the kids as they learn to question EVERYTHING. I just see conspiracy videos playing into that grad tradition.
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Terrible! (Score:2)
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Obviousssssly (Score:4, Funny)
It issss abssssssolutely a ssssstupid thing to believe.
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Sure, as soon as the reptilians saw that we are educating the children about reality, they want to take those vids down.
Now the children will only hear about this stuff through rumor and gossip, so they won't possibly find it believable.
Relax (Score:3)
Psychologists all over the world agree that kids need fairy tales.
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So your parents never tried to convince you of Santa and the Easter Bunny being real?
Good (Score:2)
They need to understand from a very young age that there is a lot of false information on the internet. If they end up watching these videos it's in large parts because they're interested in it. When they find out a few things they've been shown are false, they'll be more likely to start digging deeper for answers.
Stop trying to cover stuff; it only adds credibility to the lie.
Are you sure it wasn't Blck Mesa? (Score:2)
> the claim that CERN's Large Hadron Collider had opened a portal to another world that an unfortunate employee then vanished in.
Was his name, per chance, Gordon Freeman?
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wut? wut? (Score:1)
Erm, you mean like a... jungle? Aka the place where you can grow crops/fruit with great productivity ? So ppl have not been living in jungles for milions of years ? And also ever heard of air conditioning?
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When I landed in Qatar it was 117 with 100% humidity. I adjusted to it pretty quickly after the WTF shock. I don't think you know what you're talking about.
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People living in shacks tend not to have air conditioning. The traditional forms of construction have relied on it being dry heat.
It's not very sensible to assume that the amenities you find commonplace are the same all over the world in every country.
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Even been to Houston in August?
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Really? (Score:5, Informative)
You have underestimated the power of... stupid.
I know several Flat Earthers and there is no evidence you can supply them to convince them otherwise. They go so far as to Thank Jesus for revealing the Truth to them.
Re:Really? (Score:4, Interesting)
They could do the same thing the ancient Greeks did to prove the world was round -- observe the shadow of the Earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse is always round. The only object that projects a round shadow regardless of its angle is a ball.
Then if they like, they could measure the angle of a stick's shadow at noon on the same day, in two places hundreds of miles away, north and south. They will be different angles and you can calculate the size of tbe Earth-as-ball.
Then, knowing how big the Earth is, they can calculate the size of the moon based on Earth's shadow.
Then, knowing how big the moon is, they can calculate how far away it is.
This will catch them all up to the ancient Greeks, who did this hundreds of years before Jesus was born.
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They could do the same thing the ancient Greeks did to prove the world was round ...
Logic and reason are useless against invincible ignorance. Witness buying religions from someone who wrote "the way to get rich is to start a religion" and politics from someone who wrote the art of the deal is to "tell people what they want to hear."
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You're making the mistake of assuming they want to discover the truth. What most want to do is rewrite the 'facts' to fit better into their personal world view (which is generally something more spiritual with mankind at the centre of the universe).
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Shadow? There's a dragon eating it!
The takeaway: no matter how wrong you think nutters are, they know they're right.
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People tend to "believe" what they "learned" first.
So if your parents had told you at age of 4 that the earth is flat, you would be convinced, too, that the earth is flat.
No idea why the question if the earth is flat or not is relevant on /. since a year so much.
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I know several Flat Earthers and there is no evidence you can supply them to convince them otherwise.
I don't know any flat-earthers, but I find it hard that anyone sincerely believes it is true. I think they're just trolls trying to annoy people who get annoyed by such things. That's why you just ignore the trolls instead of feeding them.
Re: assassinated by his own government. (Score:2)
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Nope, they're as far as I can tell the target audience. At least I know no kids that are boring enough to watch "Kids TV".
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It was Father.
Power cut out as they approached 40 TeV, the room got super cold, and when power was restored Father was gone. In the chair were Father's clothes and effects. If you don't know who "Father" was, or what the LHC is actually doing, you need to wake the fuck up. Remember the recent explosions at the LHC?
I know you clowns won't go look into it, and will instead wallow in your ignorance, so I'll offer you the quickest summary possible:
The people in control of the LHC and CERN are basically repli
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Security footage here [youtu.be]