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An Open Source, Royalty-Free AV1 Codec Has Been Released (aomedia.org) 104

Artem Tashkinov writes: After three years in development the Alliance for Open Media is releasing the royalty-free AOMedia Video Codec 1.0 (AV1) specification. The AV1 codec promises an average of 30 percent greater compression over competing codecs according to independent member tests.
The release of AV1 includes:
  • Bitstream specification to enable the next-generation of silicon
  • Unoptimized, experimental software decoder and encoder to create and consume the bitstream
  • Reference streams for product validation
  • Binding specifications to allow content creation and streaming tools for user-generated and commercial video

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An Open Source, Royalty-Free AV1 Codec Has Been Released

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  • some obscure company (patent troll) claims this violates all their patents?
    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @11:23AM (#56341549)

      There are all SORTS of patents on this codec. But everyone patent owner has agreed (and signed) to make those patents available royalty-free to the AV1 group.

      • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:15PM (#56341915) Journal
        Every disclosed patent owner has agreed to make their patents available royalty free. There may be other patent holders who have not disclosed their patent. Patents are not mutually exclusive, if I hold a patent for doing X then you may hold a patent for doing X with Y, so just because my patent is in the pool doesn't mean that AV1 doesn't infringe yours. Expect to see patent trolls with overly broad patents that may or may not actually either apply to AV1 or be valid at all go after smallish (large enough to be worth suing, small enough not to be able to afford a good defence) users of AV1. This has happened with MPEG patents, even though they provide a financial incentive to disclose valid patents that are infringed (anyone with patents in the pool gets a share of the royalties).
        • Adding x to y patent doesn't make it novel and thus would invalidate the combo x and y patent. Derivative works are not patentable.

          • Not necessarily. If the inclusion of x is both novel and not obvious, then the second patent would be valid. However, the holder of the second patent would not be able to practice the second approach (with X and Y) without the consent (i.e., license) from the original patent holder (owner of Y).
          • Everything in your comment is incorrect. Please read a little bit about patent law before commenting on it in the future. Derivative works are part of copyright law and have no status in patent or trademark law. Most patents are additive in some way, providing improvements to existing inventions (many of the early ones were refinements on steam engine design, for example), and this property is one of the first things that you'll find in any patent law textbook.
        • by roca ( 43122 ) on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @02:34PM (#56342929) Homepage

          It might happen, but it hasn't happened with VP9. It also hasn't happened with Opus.

          Furthermore the AV1 license is structured so that if you sue someone for using AV1, you lose your own rights to use AV1. Thus, only pure-troll entities will be able to initiate such lawsuits. That limitation didn't apply to previous codecs.

          • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Thursday March 29, 2018 @03:14AM (#56345537) Journal

            Furthermore the AV1 license is structured so that if you sue someone for using AV1, you lose your own rights to use AV1. Thus, only pure-troll entities will be able to initiate such lawsuits

            That's not a real problem. The normal way for such lawsuits is to spin out a company that does nothing other than own the patents and license them back to the original company. That company can then sue everyone, but doesn't do anything other than license patents so is immune to countersuits.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      They can try. But with 30 companies doing IP Review, I doubt they will.

      • We get patent lawsuits on some of the worlds largest countries who take Patents very seriously. Find some obscure patent troll had made some lame patent in the past that no one would think of even bother looking for because it is so obvious that only a moron would try to Patent it and a moron patent official would approve it.

    • by darkain ( 749283 )

      You've got the 1st (Apple), 2nd (Alphabet/Google), 3rd (Microsoft), 4th (Amazon), and 6th (Facebook) most valuable company in the world on the list, plus countless others in the top-50 list. Their lawyers are plentiful to support AV1. (note this list was quickly pulled from a source that is about a year old, I know their rankings have slightly shifted since then, but the main fact still remains that they're the powerhouses of the entire world now)

    • ... like say... RAMBUS?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt about AV1 is a tactic HEVC patent pools have started to use. Velos Media says it's a nice codec you've got there, it'd be a shame if something happened to it [cnet.com].

    • some obscure company (patent troll) claims this violates all their patents?

      if you're that paranoid then best stick with MPEG-2 and MP3 until the patents on AV1 and Opus expire.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Judging from other open source software, that will be a show stopper. Having millions of eyes on the code does not automatically cause the owners of those eyes to give up their day job to hunker down and turn the code into something productive and efficient.

    • Re:Unoptimized (Score:4, Insightful)

      by afidel ( 530433 ) on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:03PM (#56341819)

      What are you talking about? The opensource implementations of MP3 and H264 quickly outpaced every commercial implementation, I would expect the same for this codec. What they won't be able to do is compete with embedded hardware implementations that will come but history has shown that the opensource version will be less efficient but more feature rich than those hardware implementations.

      • by arth1 ( 260657 )

        What are you talking about? The opensource implementations of MP3 and H264 quickly outpaced every commercial implementation,

        Really? I used the commercial Fraunhofer MP3 implementation for almost a decade, because the open source Lame was both more resource hungry and gave more artefacts. That's not my definition of "quickly".

  • Some caveats (Score:5, Informative)

    by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @11:32AM (#56341629) Homepage

    As with VP9 earlier, the first reference AV1 encoder is absolutely slow: currently it's an order of magnitude slower [doom9.org] than x265's veryslow preset (which is extremely slow to begin with).

    AV1 is not currently supported by anything under the sun except an alpha build of Firefox [mozilla.org] (where it struggles to decode even a 3Mbps video on powerful PCs).

    Most likely ffmpeg will include its own decoder (implementation) because ffmpeg and AV1 developers have contradicting views on coding styles. ffmpeg has its own VP9 decoder.

    Apple joined [macrumors.com] the alliance just a few months ago when the development was almost over, which means Apple most likely didn't really contribute to it at all.

    The spec is 619 freaking pages long [github.io].

    • Re:Some caveats (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @11:50AM (#56341717)

      As with VP9 earlier, the first reference AV1 encoder is absolutely slow: currently it's an order of magnitude slower [doom9.org] than x265's veryslow preset (which is extremely slow to begin with).

      At 40% better efficiency than x265, slowness is a given and perfectly forgivable. For all intents and purposes it's like a next generation codec, but license free. Now it "just" needs the hardware to enable it as a viable choice.

      Apple joined [macrumors.com] the alliance just a few months ago when the development was almost over, which means Apple most likely didn't really contribute to it at all.

      I don't see it being a problem except maybe for Apple. The fact they joined shows they reckon its value and I guess it's more than enough "contribution" at this point.

    • Re:Some caveats (Score:4, Informative)

      by TigerTime ( 626140 ) on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:00PM (#56341795)

      Damn, give it some time. It was just released. When looking at things like this, you have to look at the backing and support it gets.

      Give it a year or so, and see where we're at. This codec is here to stay, and while the encoding speeds are slow now, it has an enormous backing to win in the end.

    • Preliminary support (Score:4, Informative)

      by DrYak ( 748999 ) on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:18PM (#56341953) Homepage

      VLC has also preliminary AV1 support (since 3.0).
      G-Streamer has too (since 1.14)

      Bitmovin has started offering experimental AV1 cloud compression for quite some time.

      And given the long list of companies involved, more is going to come any moment soon.

    • Re:Some caveats (Score:4, Informative)

      by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @03:37PM (#56343321) Journal

      Who cares when Apple joined, as long as they did. That's a big pool of patents that they've owned for a long time that became available to the group, and some very deep pockets that can help defend (or at least won't sue).

      With Apple, Microsoft, Google, Intel, Nvidia, AMD on board, it's a done deal. In 18 months it will be difficult to find a shipping device that doesn't support AV1 at some level.

      Fuck MPEG-LA. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of assholes.

    • "As with VP9 earlier, the first reference AV1 encoder is absolutely slow: currently it's an order of magnitude slower [doom9.org] than x265's veryslow preset (which is extremely slow to begin with). "

      Sure but that reference encoder isn't even optimized. People are going a little crazy assuming this will need dedicated hardware to become useful when it was designed to be easy to optimize and has not yet been optimized. Bitching because the brand new shiny and cool codec isn't as mature as the codecs of 5-6yr
  • by Anonymous Coward

    How badly did they screw up for things like this to happen. Making the competitors (Amazon, Google, Apple, Netflix, etc) come together to make a replacement.

    • Re:MPEG (Score:4, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:36PM (#56342125)

      So badly that the chairman of MPEG says HEVC is unusable [chiariglione.org].

  • Standards (Score:4, Funny)

    by ArhcAngel ( 247594 ) on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:51PM (#56342261)
    How was this [xkcd.com] not the first post?
    • by tepples ( 727027 )

      "14 competing standards"?

      I guess you could say AV1 came into being because HEVC was failing to compete in a licensing sense.

  • So I've been checking it out and I can't find anything more than what is described as 'decent" And even that's not all the time. https://droidinformer.org/Stor... [droidinformer.org] This stuff reeks of the corporate empty shell.

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