Scientists Harvest First Vegetables in Antarctic Greenhouse (apnews.com) 83
Scientists in Antarctica have harvested their first crop of vegetables grown without earth, daylight or pesticides as part of a project designed to help astronauts cultivate fresh food on other planets. From a report: Researchers at Germany's Neumayer Station III say they've picked 3.6 kilograms (8 pounds) of salad greens, 18 cucumbers and 70 radishes grown inside a high-tech greenhouse as temperatures outside dropped below -20 degrees Celsius (-4 Fahrenheit). The German Aerospace Center DLR, which coordinates the project, said Thursday that by May scientists hope to harvest 4-5 kilograms of fruit and vegetables a week.
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Those pro-Trump denialists claiming you need a greenhouse to grow vegetables in Anatarctica when we all know there's RECORD HEAT down there.
I'll only let them live if they install a weather monitoring station inside the greenhouse and then give the temperature measurements a +5C adjustment in the name of TRUTH.
I didn't even read TFA and even I knew it was for the purpose of growing food outside of earth but you had to make it into a political global warming, Trump bashing agenda.
I hope you're proud of your inability to take the time to read.
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Thank you comrade! Your secret mission to make Democrats look even dumber has been a huge success!
Did they grow iceberg lettuce? (Score:4, Funny)
Has been done before. (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Has been done before. (Score:5, Insightful)
And Hollywood plunked down money and actually made a movie of that thing! You couldda knocked me down with a feather buddy! Who would have thunk it is possible!! No wonder I mistook it for a documentary.
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Indeed, the proof is undeniable.
Light has mass and exhibits Newtonian properties therefor God is real because He is Light.
[mic-drop]
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Re: Has been done before. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re: Has been done before. (Score:1)
Rocket Science (Score:2)
Grow lights have been around for a while.
We used to grow bean sprouts while on long canoe trips. Sprouts are easy to grow, don't take up much space, taste good, and fairly nutritious.
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Yeah, but really ...
Could you do that?
For all y'all still using cubits and hogsheads, that's around 10 pounds of vegetables a week ... and I'd bet the astronauts would be awfully happy to have that much fresh produce every week.
It's easy to be dismissive until you stop to realize the scale and everything else they're talking about here.
Re:Rocket Science (Score:5, Interesting)
" by May scientists hope to harvest 4-5 kilograms of fruit and vegetables a week
Could you do that?"
Yes. I grew up on a small farm that produced several truckloads of vegetables every week. And yes, we started them under grow lights and greenhouses while there was snow on the ground. My father did this with only an 8th grade education.
Given enough space, heat, and lighting, 10 pounds of vegetables isn't very much. Looking at TFA, the scientist didn't look like he was working in a crammed environment, compared to any other greenhouse. Forgive me for being dismissive, but it's been done before.
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"How much space do you need?"
Look at the picture in TFA. Take the amount of space in the photo, and divide that by the number of plants you see. If you do this carefully, you will notice that the room is quite spacious, compared to most greenhouses.
If TFA showed how the scientist created technology that can grow lots of vegetables in a tiny area, it might be impressive. But based on the article and photo provided, the scientist achieved about as much as a kid in a 4-H project.
Re:Rocket Science (Score:4, Interesting)
I think that what has happened here is that a fluff piece was written about a greenhouse that is performing actual science, but the science part was lost as it went over the head of the reporter.
It looks like they're testing various aeroponic setups, and might even be testing different strains of various plants.
Plus, while we know how to do it, they may be going for more exact numbers. How many days and hours? How much artificial light? What temperature? How much water? Etc...
The fact that it gives the scientists and workers down there fresh produce is a bonus.
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It doesn't really matter, since space is infinite.
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Not only that, but hydroponically grown vegetables in Antartica have been grown for quite a while as well:
http://www.spaceref.com/news/v... [spaceref.com]
Date on the article: 2004
Come on Slashdot. I know this isn't a breaking news site but ....
Sprouts (Score:2)
We used to grow bean sprouts while on long canoe trips. Sprouts are easy to grow, don't take up much space, taste good, and fairly nutritious.
I'm with you except for the "taste good" part. They're palatable but never once in my life have I ever craved a sprout or thought that they had a great taste. Nice bit of crunch and can add a little fresh but they have less taste than celery and are extremely bland.
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Celery is too spicy for me, I prefer to eat ice cubes.
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How did they pick the vegetables? (Score:1)
Looks like it is a German operation. So may be they still have the technology, or they took some Turkish immigrants with them or may be some Syrian refugee.
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They're getting paid a whole lot, so they'll do just about anything.
Salad Greens? (Score:3)
I would expect they would try to grow more calorie per kilogram vegetables then Salad Greens. Sure in industrialized areas, Salad Greens are nice for fillers, because we have no food shortages, so we like the crunch and the fact it will fill us up without extra caloric intake. But in Antarctica, I would put more effort into growing foods that will better sustain the people there, because getting food delivered is expensive and hazardous.
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Hell yeah!
You're talking about green peppers, right?
Re:Salad Greens? (Score:5, Informative)
Impress me? (Score:1)
Where? What? (Score:5, Informative)
Since the linked-to AP article is mostly just a picture, with nothing on the tech., here you go:
https://phys.org/news/2018-04-... [phys.org]
http://www.dlr.de/dlr/en/deskt... [www.dlr.de]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Pretty cool, but maybe not space & cost effective on a spaceship.
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Thanks for the links. I was wondering what their power source is, and the Wikipedia article has the answer. Apparently they're turning diesel fuel and a bit of wind into plant growth.
Wow... (Score:2)
Plants grown indoors... under artificial lighting... here on Earth?!
Color me impressed.
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Marketing opportunity (Score:2)
Food from air! (Score:2)
The incredibly sparse linked story was devoid of any relevant details. Apparently the plants take root in the air and spontaneously grow edible plant matter from a combination of nothing and nothing.
Also, why the effing hell would pesticides even need to be mentioned. In a sterile environment designed to replicate a space station or a habitable fabrication on another planet where the FUCKING FUCKITY FUCK FUCK would the insects come from?!?!? It's like the person who wrote this article was an intern at Mo
Re:Food from air! (Score:5, Informative)
The term "pesticides" also includes herbicides and fungicides.
If your life depends on successfully growing a monoculture over several years in a sealed tin can, you might need to at least consider having some fungicides on hand. Not to mention, some mites are almost microscopic. Without any natural predators, one pair slipping through might also ruin your day.
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Thank you Waffle Iron! You provided more novel information than the linked "news" article and you spurred me to learn something new today. Oddly, I had never rigorously defined "pesticide." When you stated it included herbicides and fungicides it instantly made sense, but in a surprising way that let me know I was missing something. So I looked it up. Surprise and joy ensued, again thank you! Repellents are included, as are microbial agents. I had no idea I was washing my hands with pesticide, haha!
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Also, why the effing hell would pesticides even need to be mentioned
Haven't RTFA, but I've grown stuff in Antarctica [gdargaud.net], and in McMurdo they've been growing lots of stuff for a long time and they regularly have problems with the Tobacco mosaic virus [wikipedia.org] as it can be carried by people for a long time.
5kg tomato (Score:2)
Space Drugs (Score:1)
Sweet, just a few years away from some dank space weed.
Antarctic? (Score:4, Funny)
Only -20C? They should try their experiment in Canada, where we have real winters, eh?
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Only -20C?
I guess the summer is staring to turn into autumn down there.
Delicious (Score:2)
I bet the veggies taste better than the ones from all those Arctic greenhouses in Alaska.
After all this is the deep South.
Pesto (Score:2)
Without pestacides is a cloyingly idiotic stance. If any insects get free on an alien planet, fully exterminsting them as quickly as possible is the name of the game.
There is no environmentalist issue here. They need to bring pestacides (i.e. budget for it in transition) just in case. Maybe not much, and something that can be powderized and is safe in a contained space, but they need it.
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You are the one making an idiotic stance. We are not going to "an alien planet" with our space program. We are only going to have space stations and possibly humans on utterly barren worlds and asteroids in our solar system. There are no known habitable worlds in the universe but Earth thus far. The Kepler planets are merely candidates that could prove uninhabitable for a myriad of reasons, and we won't reach those in the next two centuries.
Perhaps they should contract marijuana growers (Score:1)
Marijuana dgrowers perfected growing things indoors long ago. Maybe they should hire some? Really though I don't see what's so special about this. We already know you can grow plants indoors. They mention the temperature outside as if that makes a difference growing indoors. I would expect a research station in Antarctica to be able to withstand the weather. And you don't need to use pesticides when growing in a sterile environment. Why is this news?
Our Antarctic veggies will rule the markets! (Score:2)
The South Pole Station has a hydroponic greenhouse (Score:2)