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US Sanctions Russians Over Military, Intelligence Hacking (reuters.com) 159

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The U.S. Treasury imposed sanctions on three Russian individuals and five companies on Monday, saying they had worked with Moscow's military and intelligence services on ways to conduct cyber attacks against the United States and its allies. From a report: "The United States is engaged in an ongoing effort to counter malicious actors working at the behest of the Russian Federation and its military and intelligence units to increase Russiaâ(TM)s offensive cyber capabilities," Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement. "The entities designated today have directly contributed to improving Russia's cyber and underwater capabilities through their work with the FSB and therefore jeopardize the safety and security of the United States and our allies," Mnuchin said, using an acronym for Russia's Federal Security Service.
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  • And he did the same last month
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0... [nytimes.com]

    • But isn't Trump working for Putin?

      Honestly, we don't know for sure but he's "working overtime" to try and shut down the investigation that would allow us to find out.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by bobbied ( 2522392 )

        How long do you suppose it would take to find out? Muller has pretty much a blank check and authorization to investigate pretty much any leads he finds into pretty much anything. He's been going over a year now and the FBI 9 months before that.

        Are you sure we don't already know enough to be reasonably sure? You cannot prove a negative, but if you cannot come up with some kind of prove of the positive after a year, it's starting to look like nothing happened. Of course, you can keep looking until you f

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by hondo77 ( 324058 )

          ...if you cannot come up with some kind of prove of the positive after a year, it's starting to look like nothing happened.

          20 people indicted and four guilty pleas [wikipedia.org] so far. So much nothing.

          • Look close at what all the supposed "crimes" actually are... I think you will find they don't have anything close to the "Russian Collusion" that started the whole Special Council thing and by all appearances Muller is off chasing some obstruction idea now.

            Someday I'm going to make and post a list of these "crimes" so we can dispense with this "Well Muller charged some folks! Surely there was wrongdoing in the campaign!" canard that's a mis-representation of what's actually been happening here that gets tw

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by rtb61 ( 674572 )

            The great click bait war. What a joke, it's so fucking stupid, they do not even have a record of what the click bait actually clicked to. Sure the click bait was targeted but that is the whole idea, nothing about selling anything, just getting people to click the ad, which directs them to a paying ad. Here is how the scam works, what you do is go to an internet advertising group and find out how much they charge for clicks. Then you hunt around to find how much companies will pay for clicks. Then once you f

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by dcw3 ( 649211 )

              "This sanction game is going to come back and bite the US on the ass really, really hard. "

              How do you suppose that's going to happen? Do you think Russia hasn't already been doing whatever it can to undermine the US?

        • Re:Sure seems like it. (Score:5, Insightful)

          by forgottenusername ( 1495209 ) on Monday June 11, 2018 @04:18PM (#56767460)

          Nothing happened?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

          "Through June 2018, the Special Counsel has publicly initiated criminal proceedings against 20 peopleâ"five U.S. nationals, 14 Russian nationals, and one Dutch nationalâ"and three Russian organizations."

          This is just Russia, not even his other illegal doings like stuff Cohen is under investigation for. Quite the nothingburger.

          "They haven't proved anything about Trump!"

          No, just a bunch of his associates, including several directly involved with his administration and election campaign. I guess they all acted independently & committed crimes for teh lulz. If you believe the ultimate boss of a bunch of criminals isn't involved then you need your common sense meter checked.

          So tired of the "nothing has been found" false narrative. Many indictments have come down. There are so many moving pieces, and it's such a sensitive investigation, if it had wrapped up by now it'd mean Mueller was subverted ala House investigation. "No one showed up, no one answered our questions, the WH was in direct communication with interviewees. However based on available data we can say there was absolutely no collusion"

          Pretty easy to come to that conclusion when your investigation is a farce.

          • Nothing about what justified Muller's appointment has been found.

            Crimes from 10 years ago (before anybody including Trump knew he was running for president) for a guy that served on the campaign mean what? A conspirator in these crimes who DIDN'T participate in the campaign? Meaningless to the campaign...

            A couple of "Lying to the FBI" charges mean what to Muller exactly? Leverage maybe for Muller, but again, nothing a all to do with the campaign as all these happened AFTER the election was over.

            Charging

            • Re:Sure seems like it. (Score:5, Informative)

              by jon3k ( 691256 ) on Monday June 11, 2018 @06:48PM (#56768620)

              Even after a year...

              It's been an awfully busy year and it has gone down a number of rabbit holes which have led to numerous arrests and convictions. Turns out it's a pretty complex process and it's ONLY been a year. How many years did we investigate Benghazi? Four?

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by Straif ( 172656 )

            Almost all American indictments have been for process crimes or crimes that had nothing to do with the Trump campaign or even the 2016 election. Their highest profile conviction, Flynn, is falling apart even after he confessed as it's been shown that the original FBI agents reported no sign of perjury (a report hidden from the defense) and the primary driver of the confession was a threat to pursue and potentially bankrupt his son on similar 'made up' charges (made up in the manner that the FBI can effecti

        • This sort of large-scale case can take MANY YEARS to develop. I had some minor part in a large suit against the major US investment banks alleging some very nasty collusion. If you read the emails from discovery, you'd think it would have ended with everyone's head on a chopping block. You'd be wrong. Although a couple of the worst offenders did go under before they could face the courts due to their rampant illegal activities in the housing market (this was 2007~2008).

          • You know.. I have one question.... What is Muller looking for? What was the reason for his appointment?

            This was supposed to be a slam dunk, 6 moths at most. Democrats where talking IMPEACHMENT for Pete's sake. Now, over a year in, we still don't have any evidence that implicates anybody in Trump's campaign with anything approaching a crime during the campaign.... Now you are telling me this will take years? Right...

            I'm just guessing here, but Muller isn't going to stop looking until Trump leaves offic

            • You know.. I have one question.... What is Muller looking for? What was the reason for his appointment?

              To investigate any contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign and any crimes that are uncovered in the process of investigating.

              This was supposed to be a slam dunk, 6 moths at most.

              Whoever told you that is an idiot.

              we still don't have any evidence that implicates anybody in Trump's campaign with anything approaching a crime during the campaign....

              Paul Manifort wasn't part of the Trump campaign? Also, we have no idea what treasures have been uncovered from the documents from Michael Cohen.

              Muller will retire after this.

              Mueller is retired, you idiot. He was pulled out of retirement specifically for this.

              We will get a report, but it's going to say Trump's campaign didn't do anything wrong, even though individuals involved in the campaign got caught in unrelated crimes.

              That might be the case but current indications are that it's not. I mean, Trump acts like the guiltiest man on the

              • Yeah, what he said. As a legal professional, I've actually been amazed at how FAST this case has proceeded. People just don't understand that. This thing is a rocket ship. I'd love to get an idea of how they're processing things this quickly on the IT/discovery side. I could handle it more efficiently, of course ;)

        • How long do you suppose it would take to find out?

          Couldn't say for certain but given the results thus far, Mueller and his team have been moving at lightning speed.

          Muller has pretty much a blank check and authorization to investigate pretty much any leads he finds into pretty much anything.

          Well if you haven't noticed, there are a bunch of guilty pleas and a boatload of indictments. It's not like the investigation isn't going anywhere.

          He's been going over a year now and the FBI 9 months before that.

          The Watergate investigation took longer. Also, I think "conservatives" have lost the right to complain after screaming about Benghazi in 17 investigations that found no wrongdoing over the span of four years.

          Are you sure we don't already know enough to be reasonably sure?

          Mueller isn't one to waste time or resour

          • How long do you suppose it would take to find out?

            Couldn't say for certain but given the results thus far, Mueller and his team have been moving at lightning speed.

            How long will it take was the question, not how fast you think Muller is going. How long do we give him? One year, two? Eight? Muller's been busy, but for all the looking we have what? Nothing that has any direct relation to crimes by the president's campaign has been disclosed yet....

            Muller has pretty much a blank check and authorization to investigate pretty much any leads he finds into pretty much anything.

            Well if you haven't noticed, there are a bunch of guilty pleas and a boatload of indictments. It's not like the investigation isn't going anywhere.

            Again, guilty pleas for crimes that happened when? AFTER the election and for what? Lying to the FBI? Give me a break...

            He's been going over a year now and the FBI 9 months before that.

            The Watergate investigation took longer. Also, I think "conservatives" have lost the right to complain after screaming about Benghazi in 17 investigations that found no wrongdoing over the span of four years.

            No wrongdoing found? Well.. I know you don't like it, but the Hillary E-mail thing was found (a

            • How long will it take was the question, not how fast you think Muller is going. How long do we give him? One year, two? Eight?

              We give him all the time he needs. We don't let criminals off the hook just because you think it takes too long to route them out.

              Muller's been busy, but for all the looking we have what? Nothing that has any direct relation to crimes by the president's campaign has been disclosed yet....

              What we have is an ongoing investigation. The details aren't public just like all other FBI investigations. Why do you think that's a bad thing?

              Again, guilty pleas for crimes that happened when? AFTER the election and for what? Lying to the FBI? Give me a break...

              * What happened to being the party of "law and order"?
              * Lying to the FBI is no small thing.
              * Rick Gates pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the United States.

              No wrongdoing found?

              Correct.

              Well.. I know you don't like it, but the Hillary E-mail thing was found (and that was evidence of a crime) though

              Seems like you didn't pay attention because they charge criminals wi

        • Re: (Score:1)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Special prosecutor investigations always take a long time. Out of 9 previous prosecutors, only two wound up in less than 2 years, and Mueller has already produced more charges than both of them put together. The only other investigations of comparable public profile to this, Iran-Contra and Whitewater, both lasted around 7 years.

          A handy comparison chart here [fivethirtyeight.com]

        • He is waiting to interview Trump. He doesn't want to finish without that.

          He's dragging on Manafort because he wants a flip.

          For the record Trump didn't want to win so he didn't collude. But he did obstruct. And Mueller will get him on that. Trump's flunkies wanted to open the door for business deals and tried to collude. Whether they did or not is the question

          How long will it take? Till he can get Trump on record.

          • I have to ask.. How did Trump obstruct?

            If you think it was firing the FBI director, you are crazy. Firing the FBI director didn't stop anything did it and it's totally within the rights of the president to let the director of the FBI go if he wants. If you think it was the "let the Flynn thing go" comment, again you are nuts. This statement started with "I hope you can..." which means it was an expression of a wish not an order. Comey felt free to not obey this request, and Flynn was NOT let go. You m

        • Re:Sure seems like it. (Score:5, Informative)

          by pots ( 5047349 ) on Monday June 11, 2018 @09:41PM (#56769352)

          How long do you suppose it would take to find out?

          If you want a real answer, it looks like four years [fivethirtyeight.com] is about average for this type of investigation.

        • Re: (Score:1)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Does the word Whitewater mean anything to you?

          Ken Starr was appointed in August 1994 to investigate a failed real estate investment. Starr issued his report in September 1998 and Whitewater was barely mentioned. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy)

          Clinton's impeachment had nothing to do with real estate.

          If it takes 4 years to find out if Trump is guilty of treason, money laundering and/or obstruction, so be it.

          • Let me guess, you thought Star was doing right by Clinton the whole time?

            I'd like to point out that it is the excesses of the past that caused congress to revise the laws regarding Special Councils to make them much more targeted and less open ended. This investigation shouldn't last nearly as long as Star's... Personally, I think Star knew the basic facts within a year and could have wrapped up the whole process in two. I also think the Lewinsky affair was a huge mistake by all involved, including St

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by jebrick ( 164096 )

          Of course, you can keep looking until you find something or the target leaves office... Historically, That's what special councils do anyway, but how much time does it take before we can assume there is no there there? A year, two years? Eight years?

          Actually, only Ken Star did that because Congress wanted something on Clinton. All other special prosecutors have stayed within their mandate given by the Justice department. There is no proof that Muller has gone outside that mandate. When he did have evidence of a crime outside his mandate he passed it off to the local federal prosecutors.

          • Really? He just passes off stuff to local authorities if they are outside his mandate?

            So, if his mandate has "Russian collusion in the 2016 campaign" at it's core, why in God's name is Manafort facing tax evasion charges for stuff that happened 10 years ago, long before 2016 election season got started and well before his short stint as Trump's campaign manager? Then there is Flynn, who didn't have a conversation with the Russians until after the election, as heir apparent to his National security advise

      • Excellent point. I really have nothing to add to what you said besides that. I had to say something though, 'cause I went to moderate your comment up as "Insightful" but the cursor accidentally landed on the wrong thing & moderated it as "redundant". So I need to make a comment, to undo the mistake.

  • Token anti-punishment. (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    "three Russian individuals and five companies".

    Three individuals. Five companies.

    This is the new Republican standard operating procedure for progressing corruption in their favor.

    You do the worst things you can do, inflict as great cruelty as you can through intermediaries... then when punishment is incoming, you pick out a few token groups to slap on the wrist, then don't mention in a year when you dismiss exactly those punishments.

    It's basically organized crime tactics. The bosses use stooges, ideally a

    • So.. Muller is working for the republicans now?

      Wow, nobody is safe from getting rolled under that democrat impeachment bus... But all is fair in war and if you can nail Trump with something, the collateral damage is fine, even if Al Franken and WJ Clinton get tread marks on their backs...Muller better produce something, or under he goes too.

  • As if Snowden can't name a lot of people who can forsee Russian sanctions for doing the same and more.

  • So on one hand Trump tells the G7 that Russia should be allowed back in the club, while on the other hand congress is approving sanctions against Russia. Maybe he doesn't seem to understand the contradictions or is so far out of his depth he wasn't sure what the G7 club was about?

  • Jesus Christ! Even the editors can't control their smart quotes! Get it together man!

    • They would not need to if /. had its character encoding sorted out. Page reports as supporting UTF-8, but then something goes screwy backend.

      Is Slashcode open source anymore?

  • So... it'd be okay now if Russia and China sanctioned say, Microsoft and Oracle for improving the capabilities of the CIA/NSA?

  • That's Military, Comma, Intelligence --two words with a comma in between! said the White House press agent. That ought to reduce the "fake news" by a third. One-third, got it?

  • "cyber and underwater capabilities"
    What happened under water? Some optical got tapped into? "Tracking?"

    The list has NotPetya. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
    The original of the code was something from EternalBlue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] .

    "U.S. energy grid and on internet routers and switches".
    Finally something in the USA?
    Back to "underwater capabilities".
    Then a jump to "nuclear facilities"?

    So Russian now has "design, manufacture and supply" of " professional diving equipmen
  • Roll those sanctions back before Vlad gets annoyed at you, Donnie. Traitorous scumbag that you are.

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