Chile Becomes First Country In Americas To Ban Plastic Bags (ewn.co.za) 203
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Eyewitness News: Chile's Senate has passed a bill that will prohibit the use of plastic bags in stores, with a vote in their House of Representatives overwhelmingly in favor of the measure, with 134 supporting the bill and one abstention. According to The Independent, the new law would give large retailers one year to phase out the use of plastic bags, and smaller businesses two years. This makes Chile the first country in the Americas to ban plastic bags, and officially recognize how important such a ban would be in the effort to reduce unnecessary single-use plastic waste.
At first, the measure was only meant to ban plastic bags in Patagonia, but it was approved by both the senate and president for the entire country. The Association of Plastic Industries registered Chile as using 3,400 million plastic bags per year, or 200 per person. Telesur reports that the Minister of the Environment, Marcela Cubillos, said the country needs a larger cultural change for people to start replacing plastic with reusable bags.
At first, the measure was only meant to ban plastic bags in Patagonia, but it was approved by both the senate and president for the entire country. The Association of Plastic Industries registered Chile as using 3,400 million plastic bags per year, or 200 per person. Telesur reports that the Minister of the Environment, Marcela Cubillos, said the country needs a larger cultural change for people to start replacing plastic with reusable bags.
Why would any American country ban plastic bags? (Score:3, Informative)
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The ocean pollution problem apparently comes from ten rivers located in Asia. North and South America are not killing whales. This is just another pointless feel-good move to show that "they care" in Chile.
That's pretty much my assessment - macro sized plastic from third world countries, and microsphere plastic from developed places.
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/1... [cnbc.com]
http://www.digitaljournal.com/... [digitaljournal.com]
Cites provided because the prominent search results blame countries that already recycle a lot of plastic. Making someone in those countries feel guilty about themselves, while doing nothing about the Pacific Rim countries will accomplish exactly nothing.
This is not to say plastic in the oceans is not a pr
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They are starting to realize a lot of the freshwater microplastic is from large businesses putting compostables in plastics bags which get ground up and spread on fields.
We recycle all our plastic bags here... it isn't hard. However given that their are always going to be assholes throwing them out the car window, I suppose it is better to phase them out. Which means I need some sort of mnemonic for remembering to put the reusables back in the car. And better reusables than the crap ones the grocery stor
Why I Lost (Score:5, Funny)
Does this mean that Hillary Clinton won't be allowed in the country?
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Only in stores.
She'll be allowed in other places, say, in hospitals (not that she's sick, or has ever had any medical conditions...ever. Did the Russians tell you that? Fake news! Fake news!)
Can somebody explain this joke to me? (Score:2)
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https://www.urbandictionary.co... [urbandictionary.com]
Incorrect problem vector (Score:3, Insightful)
What's proper? (Score:2)
This law ... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Where similar measures have been tried in other countries it has been found to be effective at reducing the total amount of plastic being used for bags of one kind of another. It seems that people use more of something if it is free*.
* Obviously the cost is rolled into their shopping bill, but that's psychologically very different to being charged a few cents at the checkout.
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Good. Those speciality plastic bag manufacturers produce bags that are less likely to break down into microplastics, and are more likely to offer products that biodegrade. They are just as bad as that evil solar panel industry or that nasty electric car industry.
What about soft drink bottles? (Score:2, Informative)
Soft drinks are a much worse waste of plastic. Every day at lunch i have a bottle. The weight of a bottle far exceeds that of a plastic bag (a hundred times?). A bag is an environmental problem as they travel and get places but really bottles are much worse problem surely? Soft drink companies really need to think about this as they have to be the worst offenders by a huge margin. Capitalism sure!y has to take some blame as if someone made it expensive to create these then a solution would be found? Future
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what about them? It is well known that plastic bag use can easily be cut massively because a number of countries have done so. It's not a big win but it's an easy one. Do you reckon we should ignore it while fighting a bigger problem and not reap the benefit of merely good while chasing perfection?
Paper plants want to ban plastic bags. (Score:2)
Paper is far more damaging to the environment. First, a huge truck must go to a place where there are trees. The trees are cut and trucked to a processing plant. The plant uses poisonous chemicals [wikipedia.org] to make the paper.
The problem appears to be that there is not sufficient identification and recycling of waste. Plastic should not be allowed in streams
Re:Paper plants want to ban plastic bags. (Score:4, Informative)
Do your realize that your downsides also apply to plastic? Poisonous chemicals and decomposition in landfills are problems for plastic bags too.
Plastic is made from natural gas. (Score:2)
Natural gas is less polluting. Still a problem, but not as much of a problem as using oil.
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And?
Natural gas as the feedstock does not change that you have to react that feedstock with other chemicals. And those are toxic, like the chemicals used to create paper.
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And petroleum extraction, refinery and conversion into plastic doesn't use trucks, heavy machinery, or toxic chemicals?
Evaluating the environmental impacts of two alternative products is not so simple. In theory an plastic bag could be more sustainable than paper, because the molecules in it can be recycled indefinitely. So at one extreme you have a hypothetical world where everyone was scrupulous about recycling every last scrap of plastic; in such a world plastic would have less impact. At the other ex
Some of the paper plants in Chile: (Score:2)
Another plant: CELCO Valdivia Pulp Mill pollution [wikipedia.org]: "The company had been dumping more dioxins and heavy metals than had been approved by the regulating agencies into the river from a waste tube that had been approved by the authorities. It had also been producing far above levels approved in its Environmental Impact Assessment, and was cited for multiple violations of environmental an
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Yeah someone else is doing something worse so we should never try to do anything better.
Insightful my arse.
Take your canvas bags (Score:2)
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Poop in the street (Score:4, Informative)
I guess they don't get the unintended consequences of things like that. When they did that in California, they eliminated the only refuge for the homeless to dispose of their waste in a sanitary manner.
It's why there's so much human feces all over the streets and sidewalks in San Francisco and San Diego these days. And where the hepatitis outbreaks came from.
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Works fine in England and Ireland.
Maybe that's just an American problem, not a generic unintended consequence.
Re:What about pet waste? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Do grocery stores still offer Paper Bags anymore?
Plastic bags work great for cleaning up after the dog on a walk....
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Ours does, choice of paper or plastic. I always choose paper because they're bigger and make transporting groceries faster and less of a mess than the plastic bags, which are smaller and tend to dump out their contents.
Occasionally they put stuff in a plastic bag (meats or frozen items) but I think this mostly an attempt to be sanitary (no meat leakage onto other items) or to prevent frozen stuff from getting the bags wet and making them rip.
We have a mish-mash of reusable grocery bags that we use at Costc
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Do grocery stores still offer Paper Bags anymore?
Plastic bags work great for cleaning up after the dog on a walk....
Many do (typically the upscale ones that trend on the eco-hippie side of things).
Another option is to buy your own bags. That's what we do at home.
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The majority of "baggers" at grocery stores have no clue how to properly load paper bags. Plus, using plastic bags is so simple, it's why in most stores, the cashier also bags your stuff.
I say this jokingly, but you would think the bag manufacturers PAY the stores to get bags with the number they use / waste. I have went to the store on more than once occasion, bought a few items and they have PUT ONE ITEM PER BAG. So with three items, they use three bags ! Buying milk THAT HAS A HANDLE ? They will still pu
Re: What about pet waste? (Score:2)
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Sounds like you're full of shit. England and Ireland (and other EU countries) have vastly reduced the use of single use plastic bags and there has been no outbreak of disease due to meat contamination like you claim will happen.
Re:What about pet waste? (Score:5, Insightful)
Paper bags? How did people survive before plastic bags were invented?
It isn't like paper bags have no environmental footprint.
So people will whine about that. I'm not certain that recycled paper will be very good for grocery bags, because every time paper is recycled, the individual fibers get shorter and shorter. I think Trader Joe's uses recycled, and their paper bags are pretty weak.
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Paper bags? How did people survive before plastic bags were invented?
It isn't like paper bags have no environmental footprint.
True but those costs won't be quite as externalized. Paper bags left along the side of the road will turn into mush and decompose pretty quickly. Plastic bags left along the side of the road will sit there till the state has to clean them up.
Re: What about pet waste? (Score:2)
For the record I still use (reusable) plastic bags. They are literally waste products of the petroleum refining proc
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We don't have a waste bin in our apartment; there are communal ones - roughly beer keg sized - in the basement. We used to use the plastic bags that brought the shopping home to transport the garbage down to them. It's nice. There's a sort of symmetry to it. Now, we have to buy new bags made of new materials for that.
Now we could buy a medium sized bin, and use it with no liner (because that's another sodding bag, and it'd just be duplicating the council approved ones in the downstairs bins that you ha
Re: What about pet waste? (Score:2)
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Only if you didn't dispose of yourself in the most ecologically friendly manner. Are there compost bin recommendations for people?
I want to be preserved in a block of Lucite (I imagine it to be more of a fake-bug-in-an-ice-cube than a Han-Solo-in-carbonite...) and propped up in the corner of the living room (or at least a dark corner of the attic -maybe taken out for Halloween.)
Take that environmentalists!
Re:What about pet waste? (Score:5, Insightful)
And I love plastic bags from the store because I put my garbage in them and each time I leave the apartment I throw out my trash.
This is far superior to reusable bags in which I must then BUY plastic garbage bags. Now that's retarded.
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In this country I pay the required five pence for plastic bags when I find I want them, and 90% of them get re-used for something else, including the bins around the house, the putting of dirty shoes inside plastic bag for packing in the suitcase, and so on. Sometimes I end up with spares, and they go into the appropriate recycling. I also carry a "long life" plastic bag for groceries on most days. Anyway, point is, the environmental thing so often focusses on this trivial stuff, whilst avoiding the big iss
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As a NYer I hate paper bags because roaches love them.
But it depends on the environment around them. Roaches just don't sprout on paper unless there's edible stuff (home trash, food particles, etc) around them.
And I love plastic bags from the store because I put my garbage in them and each time I leave the apartment I throw out my trash.
That's what I do.
This is far superior to reusable bags in which I must then BUY plastic garbage bags. Now that's retarded.
It is only far superior from a point of convenience, not environmental sustainability. Yeah, maintaining the environment carries costs.
With that said, a lot of these problems with plastic bags is the lack of a proper recycling policy.
In Japan, people are meticulous how they pack their garbage. Pet litter, diapers, chemicals, and tox
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Leave Masuka alone, Deb.
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That's great and all, but where am I supposed to put pet waste? I can't flush litter box bombs down the toilet, because the litter will clog it. (I've tried) Damned if I'm going to use a reuseable bag for that...
Flush the cat.
Problem solved.
Re:What about pet waste? (Score:5, Insightful)
It isn't just cat litter. I also use the plastic bags for all the trash can liners in the house since the City wants all garbage bagged. They aren't as strong as a real trash can liner, but they work. The extras get donated to the church food bank for people to use to take home the stuff they pick up there. They aren't single use for a great many people, and having to buy higher grade plastic bags to replace their second use is crazy.
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I use reusable bags whenever I remember them, but when I get plastic bags I try to reuse them. My problem has been that plastic bags have been getting flimsier and flimsier. Many come with holes in the bottom from the outset - making them horrible to store any kind of trash that could leak out. It really hampers the "reuse" component of "reduce, reuse, recycle."
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There's usually enough of an oversupply that for any waste can that could have an issue with leaking, you can double bag, just like the grocery stores, and still avoid purchasing the slightly more durable "real" trash can liners. The kitty litter bags, for example, I always double bag. For the few that tear or have an inconvenient hole, add them to the garbage. We do landfill here, so they aren't much of a threat to the birds or rivers or oceans, and as thin as they are, they should bio-degrade faster than
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They aren't single use for a great many people
Dual use is not better, especially when you consider the single use plastic bags break down into small parts piece of plastic very quickly. Encouraging people to actually go and choose a replacement bag rather than being given one gives them the opportunity to go green.
Chile isn't the first country to do this, there are examples all over the globe where plastic waste has been successfully reduced by this policy.
Disclosure: I have an animal and buy plastic bags.
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If your dual use is also going to be a heavier weight plastic bag - which virtually all trash can liners are - then reusing the first bag is definitely a win. Just because the heavier weight bag - more plastic - takes longer to break down doesn't change the fact that it also will break down. I fail to see where the time difference matters. As long as it is still a plastic bag - why not pick the one that has less plastic?
And yes, all of us know that the cost of the bags are rolled into the overhead of the
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>"It isn't just cat litter. I also use the plastic bags for all the trash can liners in the house since the City wants all garbage bagged."
+1000 Exactly this.
I have never ONCE had "too many" plastic bags. I reuse every single one of them. Smelly garbage, liners for all my small trashcans. Disposing of things that are wet. Nothing I reuse them for would ANY other type of bag be good for. So I would have to BUY those bags ANYWAY, and then end up:
1) With MORE TOTAL trash than before.
2) With less money
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What city is that? that sounds really, really fucking annoying and overbearing.
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odd, yeah.. i wonder what costs more in terms of garbage man salary, time, fuel etc:
Having garbage men CHECK EVERY FUCKING BAG at pickup
OR
Doing the sorting at the dump/collection depot
green washing at its best =/
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Garbage bags, Pet waste (pooper picker) bags. Which are actually much better because they won't have a random hole in it, and they are designed to hold biomater.
Plastic Grocery bags. For an average shopping experience you will get 7 or 8 a normal week. and 10 - 12 for a large shopping week. So you will normally collect more bags then most people will normally reuse. Specialty bags, while still will pollute are often much smaller, because they are designed to hold waste for a day, vs. Food for a week.
I actu
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Take a step back and think about whether it should even be culturally acceptable to walk around a neighborhood and shit on sidewalks and lawns. Maybe plastic bags are an answer to an absurd question?
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Critters and shit were around long before sidewalks and lawns had been invented. If the sidewalk and lawn people freak out whenever they see a piece of shit, then they should go back to whatever planet they came from.
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Critters and shit were around long before sidewalks and lawns had been invented
I don't understand this argument at all. Lots of things were around before sidewalks - take dysentery, for instance. We know a lot more about disease now than we did when we were hucking spears around the forest. One important finding is transmission of disease in fecal matter. Pooping right in the middle of where you are going to walk, then tracking that poop into our living spaces. You would probably call the cops if a guy dropped trou and took a shit in the middle of the sidewalk, even if he picked it ba
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That's great and all, but where am I supposed to put pet waste? I can't flush litter box bombs down the toilet, because the litter will clog it. (I've tried) Damned if I'm going to use a reuseable bag for that...
You can still buy trashbags, plastic bags, etc... It's just illegal for a store to hand them out like candy every time you buy something. The specific law makes it illegal to use plastic bags for "transportation of merchandise in commerce" and appears to only be at the point of sale so all other uses are still completely legal. Pet waste is not generally considered merchandise so you are in the clear.
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Nobody is banning anyone from buying plastic garbage bags. The ban is on plastic grocery bags.
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That's great and all, but where am I supposed to put pet waste? I can't flush litter box bombs down the toilet, because the litter will clog it. (I've tried) Damned if I'm going to use a reuseable bag for that...
Double paper bag. It would be a problem if the poop is watery.
A better, more resilient solution are paper bags with a film of paraffin, petroleum jelly or mineral oil at worst (which are biodegradable) or beeswax or emulsified vegetable oils (which biodegrade more easily.)
I typically keep old newspaper to make small containers for organic trash when I do not have garbage bags.
With that said, plastic bags have their place, specially for heavy duty disposal.
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That's great and all, but where am I supposed to put pet waste? I can't flush litter box bombs down the toilet, because the litter will clog it. (I've tried) Damned if I'm going to use a reuseable bag for that...
Just do what the homeless do with their own poop in California (which also banned plastic bags): Leave on the streets and sidewalks.
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It isn't a universal ban on all plastic bags, only disposable grocery/shopping bags that stores hand out for free.
It's perfectly workable.
What do you think everyone uses for kitty litter disposal bags? I refuse to pay for my plastic bags!
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Certified compostable bags that can go in my green bin, to divert all of that kitty litter from landfills.
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Certified compostable bags that can go in my green bin, to divert all of that kitty litter from landfills.
Compostable waste disposal, that would be nice. Around here the price for recycling is rather high and no compostable separation, and most of my trash is non-recyclable anyway.
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Certified compostable bags that can go in my green bin, to divert all of that kitty litter from landfills.
Composting cat litter is not [gardeningknowhow.com] a good idea.
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Your store currently has higher prices to pay for the free plastic bags it gives you. They aren't really free, you're just indirectly paying for them.
Probably but I don't know any stores in my area that don't give away those free plastic bags. The few high end organic stores that may not give away bags (I don't know honestly) typically import food from other states, rather than using local farms.
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It isn't a universal ban on all plastic bags, only disposable grocery/shopping bags that stores hand out for free.
It's perfectly workable.
What do you think everyone uses for kitty litter disposal bags? I refuse to pay for my plastic bags!
Those plastic bags they give away at the fruit/vegetable market/produce departments? I save those for cat litter. One time I ran out so I ordered a roll of them online, so I am never without. $15, don't be a cheapskate.
I'm mostly being sarcastic, but that is hard to determine without smiles these days given what some people (no, never me!) post.
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Stop using practice-babies and have an actual baby instead.
And use cloth, not disposable.
Hey, I'm fighting climate change here!
https://www.theguardian.com/en... [theguardian.com]
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Stop using practice-babies and have an actual baby instead. And use cloth, not disposable.
The "actual baby" is only for wealthy people today. https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]
Obviously some folks rely on the guvmint to help, but yeah, it cost my wife and I over a quarter million to raise one kid.
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I was skeptical of that fact, then we did the math out-loud in my office and I'm starting to suspect that is an extreme low-ball estimate. Daycare alone is $10-12,000 a year so you're halfway there by the time their 10 years old. The additional food cost is probably negligible, but the medical and, eventually, the auto insurance sure as hell isn't. Then clothing and after school activities would easily put you over that mark. That doesn't even mention vacations. It's a quarter million to raise a child, but
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The additional food cost is probably negligible
There's these things called "teenagers". They eat a lot.
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The additional food cost is probably negligible
There's these things called "teenagers". They eat a lot.
Just like technology has been reducing the life-cycle of their products, so too do parents need to get with the times. By the time that child is 9 or 10, you need to start thinking about changing it out for a newer model.
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The additional food cost is probably negligible
There's these things called "teenagers". They eat a lot.
Har - Our food intake at home was outlandish. During my son's teen years I was playing three games of Ice Hockey a week, and he had at least two, with three practices a week, and often helping on my team. Breakfast, middle morning "snack" Lunch, 3 O'clock "snack", Dinner, 7 O'clock snack, 10 O'Clock snack, and some times something at 3 a.m. if we were feeling a little peckish.
It was like the Tour de France riders, just shoveling food in their mouths constantly just to not lose a lot of weight. My guess i
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I was skeptical of that fact, then we did the math out-loud in my office and I'm starting to suspect that is an extreme low-ball estimate. Daycare alone is $10-12,000 a year so you're halfway there by the time their 10 years old.
Its an inconvenient truth of modern life, but anyone doing a cost analysis will come up with the knowledge that we're doing it all wrong. If you are married, and want to have children, one of the couple should really stay at home with the child until they are in pre-school.
Otherwise you are doing two things. First is that you are spending a lot of money on child care, and the second thing is that you are not raising your child - someone else is.
The smart money is on having a child during the prime re
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Great story of a man who toilet trains a monkey.
https://player.themoth.org/#/?... [themoth.org]
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3,400 million ... apparently the person writing this has never heard of the concept of billion.
What an odd way to write that.
Apparentley the person who wrote that is an ignorant Xenophobe who doesn't know that other countries do things differently than his.
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According to Oxford dictionary [oxforddictionaries.com], a billion is now a thousand million in both British and real English.
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To me the long scale seems more logical
Indeed.
With the long scale, it's easy to understand what the name represents: ...
billion = 10^(6 * bi) = 10^12
trillion = 10^(6 * tri) = 10^15
septillion = 10^(6 * sept) = 10^42
With the short scale, it's harder to remember, as it's two operations: ...
billion = 10^(3 + 3 * bi) = 10^9
trillion = 10^(3 + 3 * tri) = 10^12
septillion = 10^(3 + 3 * sept) = 10^24
Also, with we need the long scale to fully appreciate the following gruk:
Nature, it seems, is the popular name
for milliards and milliards and m
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If I have a discussion with, say, a non-techie on, say, power usages, and most of the figures we quote are of the order of magnitude of some hundreds of kiloWatts, then it makes perfect sense to treat an outlier as several thousand kiloWatts, and not as a few Megawatts, it seems to me. An engineer would immediately folow me making a jump into Megawatts, a non-techie not necessarily so.
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They write thousand million
Letting a perfectly good milliard go to waste.
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I'm a detractor and I say that it's like Latin with the grammar tooked out.
Are you saying it isn't?
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Most people, at least in the western world (apart from the US, where some people seems to think nature is a communist plot), are environmentalists no matter where they are are on the political spectrum. It's a matter of survival.
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It's a matter of survival.
Environmentalism has only been a thing since the 1970s. It became a religion in the 1980s when it transcended rational conservation and became about advancing the sanctity of "the Earth" rather than making choices that were best for humans.
Before 1970, end-times Earth apocalypse wasn't a threat to survival. Now you're enlightened, so now survival requires daily rituals and observances and sacrifice.
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Environmentalism has only been a thing since the 1970s.
Or for the past couple thousand years [chabad.org]. But close enough, eh?
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Not suicidal, just homicidal. Old rich people have nothing to fear.
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I hope I don't get expelled from the congregation and shunned by the faithful.
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It's almost as though people hate to see plastic bags up in their trees.....It's almost as though they have .. aesthetics?
Poor people can’t afford your whimsical aesthetics.
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What about asbestos or CFCs or radon? Both fit your original question. Though plastic isn't directly dangerous in the same manner, it's still just a waste of oil that's causing problems. Almost all countries have an alternative. Most of them sell plastic bags. It's just single use plastics that are an absolute waste and don't degrade.
I guess you've never heard of paper bags (Score:2)
They're quite common in some places and for smaller loads work fine. For bigger supermarket visits you can buy a proper bag that will last years.
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[Paper bags are] quite common in some places and for smaller loads work fine.
There's an environmental cost [ecomyths.org] to paper, too.
For bigger supermarket visits you can buy a proper bag that will last years.
You have to use that bag over a 100 times to make up for the costs of producing it versus plastic bags. And of course you have to clean it, and it won't serve secondary uses such as picking up dog poop. And people will inevitably forget or buy new reusable bags at a rate that ends costing more in the long run.
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OTOH it won't be sitting in landfill or floating around in the ocean for 100 years and won't poison the food chain. And some of the unpleasent chemicals used in paper production are the bleaches used for white paper. For brown bags they're irrelevant. The acids used can easily be neutralised.
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Saving the Earth is very rational - there is no replacement for the planet in the foreseeable future.
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You sound like a denier. What makes you doubt the plastic bag apocalypse?
Sure, all the rest of the apocalypses turned out to be hugely exaggerated or outright false. But c'mon, plastic bags!!!
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But c'mon, plastic bags!!!
I hear they suffocate you in your sleep. Will no one save us from this plastic bag menace?
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Never mind cat poop. What do all the homeless people do with their human poop?
San Francisco poop map [mochimachine.org]