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How the EU Copyright Proposal Will Hurt the Web and Wikipedia (wikimedia.org) 122

Wikimedia, which operates Wikipedia, chimes in on the EU copyright debacle: Our movement is working to promote freedom online for the benefit of all. Our efforts in this public policy realm are all the more important in an era of increasing restrictions on free speech and free access to knowledge across the globe, which directly threaten the mission and vision of Wikimedia and its projects, such as Wikipedia. This is why we strongly oppose the proposed EU Copyright Directives and urge the Members of the European Parliament to reconsider proceeding with the version recently adopted by the Legal Affairs Committee. We are concerned because these flawed proposals hurt everyone's rights to freedom of expression and Europe's ability to improve the welfare of its citizens online. Next week, we expect the European Parliament to vote in plenary on whether to proceed with the version adopted by the Committee. If the Members of the European Parliament reject it, there will be another opportunity to fix much of the current proposal's broken requirements. Now may be the last opportunity to improve the directive.

The requirement for platforms to implement upload filters is a serious threat for freedom of expression and privacy. Our foundational vision depends on the free exchange of knowledge across the entirety of the web, and beyond the boundaries of the Wikimedia projects. A new exclusive right allowing press publishers to restrict the use of news snippets will make it more difficult to access and share information about current events in the world, making it harder for Wikipedia contributors to find citations for articles online. The proposal does not support user rights, is missing strong safeguards for the public domain, and does not create exceptions that would truly empower people to participate in research and culture. We believe that enactment of this copyright package will significantly decrease in the amount of content that will be freely accessible to all across the globe.

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How the EU Copyright Proposal Will Hurt the Web and Wikipedia

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  • by Zorro ( 15797 ) on Friday June 29, 2018 @11:53AM (#56866202)

    Cut Europe off from the Internet.

    THIS is what they really want.
    $15 a Minute phone calls to Italy and only Government approved newspapers.
    Galileo for navigation and no GPS.

    • Re: (Score:1, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Aww, you left out the "We won WWII" nonsense from your post. If you're gonna go full retard chauvinist how could you have missed that?

      • by Cederic ( 9623 ) on Friday June 29, 2018 @01:26PM (#56866852) Journal

        Feels to me he's spot on. Google, Wikipedia, Slashdot should all geoblock the EU if this law goes through. Lets see how long it lasts.

    • Cut Europe off from the Internet.

      I don't think this is really a trolling statement, just maybe not delicately stated.

      Just because Europe is fucked up doesn't mean the USA isn't also fucked up, the two are not mutually exclusive (both is perhaps the more likely scenario). There are several countries that ought to either learn to cooperate online or get the hell out of cyberspace. Nothing stops a country from running their own network and routers, other than the public outrage of their citizens.

    • by bobstreo ( 1320787 ) on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:39PM (#56866474)

      Cut Europe off from the Internet.

      THIS is what they really want.
      $15 a Minute phone calls to Italy and only Government approved newspapers.
      Galileo for navigation and no GPS.

      Upload filters will never work. Make the countries interested in filtering responsible for filtering, not non-eu websites.

      It's best to not cut them off, but to remove any .eu sites from web search results, then see what happens.

      The Internet generally knows how to route around problems.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Upload filters will never work.

        And there is a way around them. Instead of a "platform" with "forums", every user gets his own complete domain with his own single-user forum. He must of course provide a filter if he let others post - but he don't need to let other people post. Discussions can be done by linking to posts on the other guy's forum. Everybody have their own site (although identical to all others), no third party posting so nothing to check. Of course you're responsible if you do piracy on your own site - but no automatic chec

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    • by Anonymous Coward

      As a European, I agree. It's the best way to show the average EU citizen what a detached abomination Brussels has become.

    • by El_Muerte_TDS ( 592157 ) on Friday June 29, 2018 @01:59PM (#56867084) Homepage

      If this EU law passed you think you're safe in the US? The same actors will push for similar laws in other countries and cite the EU law as basis.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        If this EU law passed you think you're safe in the US? The same actors will push for similar laws in other countries and cite the EU law as basis.

        While I generally thing you are right about that, it's at least worth noting that in the US this has already been tried, and it backfired spectacularly.

        Publishers threatened Facebook with lawsuits for not paying publishers for the first sentence being used to link to the actual publisher article.
        Facebook turned around and started removing their news feeds completely and said the publishers will now need to pay them to be included.
        Publishers then bitch and moan that their internet visitors dwindled to a tiny

      • The real problem is that the EU policy makers just don't understand how technology works. It's not due to malice. It's ignorance.

        On some level, the large majority of the populations anywhere around the world support copyright and support enforcing it. That's why the policy makers can get behind initiatives to 'improve' enforcement. They are, again, simply unable to properly foresee the consequences of what on some level seems like reasonable policy. It obviously doesn't help that they have all kinds of lobb

    • by Anonymous Coward

      How is offering consumers a 3rd choice for navigation worse than only being allowed one as is the case currently? Europeans will have a choice of GPS and Galileo (probably not Glonass though). I'm struggling to see how greater consumer choice and the ability to choose not to be dependent on a technology controlled by the US is somehow oppressive?

      The phone calls thing makes no sense either, you can use your mobile contract right across Europe, meaning I can phone from anywhere in Europe as if it was my stand

  • by LynnwoodRooster ( 966895 ) on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:07PM (#56866274) Journal
    Unpossible! We're told time and again it is only the dictatorship that is the USA that can restrict speech and promote hate, and that the anointed in Brussels are only pure and holy and love freedom for all...
    • by x0ra ( 1249540 )
      At this point, we're getting close to a Brave New World version of Oceania vs. Eurasia vs. Eastasia in 1984...
    • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:23PM (#56866370) Journal
      The EU does not want to implement censorship. They want to scare online platforms into doing it for them. Once upload filters are in place, their scope will be increased to include not only copyrighted material but also undesirable opinions (a.k.a. "fake news")
      • The EU does not want to implement censorship. They want to scare online platforms into doing it for them.

        Scaring companies - or regulating them - to enforce what you want used to be known as fascism. But now it's considered nice, EU-style socialism...

        • by x0ra ( 1249540 )
          Fascism is basically a nationalist socialism ("Nazi" stands for "Nationalsozialismus").
    • by Desler ( 1608317 )

      Who has ever said or wrote this? Please name them and provide exact quotes with relevant citations to when they said or wrote this.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Brussels are only pure and holy and love freedom for all...

      Fascism and a love of money is a cancer that is spreading throughout Western civilization. Europe is not immune and will be consumed immediately after the United States falls.

      The information age brought a new kind of power that we're only now understanding. Viral media, memes, fake news, social media, doxing, data aggregation, market research, 21st century terrorism, cryptocurrency scandals, and the erosion of our personal liberty are all related. It's the end of us if we don't get a handle on it, repair ou

      • Europe will fall into fascism way before the U.S. does. It's always had that nationalism thing in the bag. America is composed of too many individual nations to be truly nationalist.

    • Well yes. The EU can't restrict something we don't have. There's no free speech laws here, that's an almost uniquely American thing.

      • Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights guarantees freedom of speech. The guarantees aren't as strong (hate speech is only protected in the U.S. for example), but it's silly to claim freedom of speech laws are only an American thing.

        Other nations you may be surprised to possess free speech laws: Japan, Phillipines, Australia, Canada, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Mexico, ...

        • Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights guarantees freedom of speech.

          It most definitely does not. It guarantees freedom of expression and opinion which is not the same thing as speech. And even if it did apply to speech, if you bother reading the actual 2 line of article 10 you'll find a laundry list of exceptions:

          "2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national secu

          • So, you don't know what the word "American" means so I didn't bother to read the rest of your ignorant drivel.

            • So, you don't know what the word "American" means so I didn't bother to read the rest of your ignorant drivel.

              LOL. Nice comeback mate. That comment would be really gutting if you didn't need to read 3/4 of my post it in order to make it.

              • Hey, dipshit, one does not have to read from the top of a post. Less likely to do so when the post fills more than a phone screen. I don't begin reading a post only to find out later it's ten pages long, I scroll to the bottom first to check.

  • by CaptainDork ( 3678879 ) on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:19PM (#56866342)

    ... right here:

    ... content that will be FREELY accessible to all across the globe.

    Emphasis mine.

    The content was not generated "freely."

    Sources of information, particularly involving resources such as reporters, information systems, infrastructure, should be fairly compensated for expenses.

    News and other content aggregators are doing little to no work and making money off other's IP.

    We recently had discussions here on /. about copyright law [slashdot.org] that views this matter from a different perspective.

    Lawrence Lessig Criticizes Proposed 140-Year Copyright Protections

  • by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ) on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:54PM (#56866578) Journal
    You know.. it just dawned on me when I read the name 'Wikipedia' in this headline: All this 'copyright' business isn't just about 'protecting IP' and monetizing everything in sight, it's mainly about controlling access to information, putting it behind access barriers that require money to bypass. This is essentially no different than what the Catholic Church would do in pre-renaissance times: if you were rich, you could learn to read, therefore you had access to education and information, and as we all well know, 'knowledge is power'. Now in the 21st century, which has the Internet, and where most everyone is literate, there is unprecedented access to information and self-education -- and knowledge is still power. While The Rich, Dominionists, and other so-called 'special interest groups' work in the non-digital world to limit access to higher education, all this 'copyright' action going on works to limit access to information and self-education in the digital/Internet world. Nicely played, Rich People, nicely played. That's the real reason why this needs to be fought against.
  • Official Response to Concerns Raised, from Copyright Holders and EU Puppets:

    Dear Wikimedia,
    Womp womp.
  • Why say in two screenfulls what you can say in two sentences. /s
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  • by lucasnate1 ( 4682951 ) on Friday June 29, 2018 @03:24PM (#56867572) Homepage

    Your copyright law and patents are still much worse than Europe's.

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