Toronto Created More Tech Jobs Than San Francisco Bay Area, Seattle, and Washington Combined Last Year (bloomberg.com) 158
Toronto's tech scene is so hot the city created more jobs than the San Francisco Bay area, Seattle and Washington, D.C., combined last year, while leapfrogging New York in a ranking of "talent markets." From a report: Toronto was the fastest-growing tech-jobs market in 2017, according to CBRE Group's latest annual survey, released Tuesday. The city saw 28,900 tech jobs created, 14 percent more than in 2016, for a total of more than 241,000 workers, up 52 percent over the past five years, CBRE said. Downtown, tech accounted for more than a third of demand for office space. Canada's biggest city took fourth place in "tech talent," a broad measure of competitiveness, pushing New York down a notch and coming in just after the Bay Area, Seattle and the U.S. capital. CBRE ranked 50 markets across North America, using measures such as talent supply, concentration, education and cost as well as outlooks for job and rent growth for both offices and apartments. The real estate services firm cited some 5 million technology workers in the U.S. and more than 830,000 in Canada, across all sectors.
Forst poost - sorry (Score:5, Funny)
How aboot that, eh, y'hosers!
Housing (Score:5, Insightful)
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Feces can be DNA typed. Existing profiles can be searched, and offenders could be awarded a title of "The Pooh". There could be a column in the paper called
"Pooh Corners".
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Jokes write themselves. I was accused of pooping on a corner, isn't that some shit? Imagine the dude that has to sample it - a shit job.
Seems like it would be cheaper for the city to rent some johnny on the spot toilets.
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Good luck trying to find horse property in Toronto.
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and that's thanks to stupid urban planning (Score:3)
Those high prices are thanks to the region's stupid growth planning. If prices are so high, where is all of the new construction? At those prices San Francisco and the Valley south of there should be on a building spree of new high-rise construction which would make tons of money for developers and push up housing supply which would lower prices for everyone. This isn't being allowed to happen by local government and now those people selling us our food live in poverty at $20 an hour.
The Bay Area's housing
Re:and that's thanks to stupid urban planning (Score:5, Funny)
Wrong. The region has had an economy for a long time now.
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We'll see if the economy still exists in 15 or 20 years.
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Want to know the difference between Toronto and SF? The average person in SF makes nearly $60k/year(converted) more then the average person in Toronto. The average housing price in Toronto is $1.58m as well. On top of that, your average taxes(all combined) in Ontario is around 43-45% of your yearly income.
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And your taxes in SF on that kind of income top out at 33% federal, plus 10% state, plus sales tax, and doesn't include health insurance. The tax difference is negligible compared apples to apples.
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Toronto sales tax is 13%, whereas Cali is still sub-10%.
A lot of the US vs Canada argument is that "Canadians pay slightly more taxes and gets a lot more services". Funny thing is, both left and right agree on this. Both sides want to get what we pay for. The difference is, the left wants to fix this by bringing our services up to the standards that we're already paying for. The right wants to reduce our taxes and keep existing service levels. And both ignore the fact that our giant global military pre
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And your taxes in SF on that kind of income top out at 33% federal, plus 10% state, plus sales tax, and doesn't include health insurance. The tax difference is negligible compared apples to apples.
Canada has a lower Federal income tax rate on it's highest bracket than the US.* However a simple tax rate is virtually useless when it comes to determining actual tax paid so the comparison is of limited value. Presented simply as a FYI.
With regard to housing, in the US you can deduct the interest portion of your mortgage. Not so in Canada, however there are no Capital Gains on the sale of your home, meaning you can take 100% of your equity and apply it to a new mortgage (or do what many do and retire to a
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In America the first 250k$ in net on a home sale is not taxed. IIRC provided you lived in it for the last 2 years. So many people move into investment homes for the last 2 years before selling them.
The actual # might have been inflation adjusted, haven't looked it up recently.
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There is a sales tax on a new home purchase. There is NO CAPITAL GAINS TAX on your resale for any home.
Buy a million dollar home, sell it for two, and you pocket a net net million after normal real estate fees.
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Want to know the difference between Toronto and SF? The average person in SF makes nearly $60k/year(converted) more then the average person in Toronto. The average housing price in Toronto is $1.58m as well. On top of that, your average taxes(all combined) in Ontario is around 43-45% of your yearly income.
Well have to use January 2018 numbers here, since it's the most recent with the housing type breakdown I could quickly find (first Google hit, CBC News). 416 Area Code. July 25 Exchange Rate.
Detached home $C $1,283,981 [$US 1,003,219]
Semi-Detached home $C $936,623 [$US 731,816]
Townhome $C 712,186 [$US 556,456]
Condominium $C $543,279 [$US 424,483]
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Average rent for a 900sqft housing in Toronto: $1,501 USD per month (source [expatistan.com]). Average rent for same thing in San Francisco: $3,620 (source [expatistan.com]). So, uh, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say Toronto's a fair bit cheaper. Also, if you want to buy, I'm finding median prices in Toronto of more like $835k versus $1,600k in SF (not sure if the former is CAD or USD, but USD makes sense for both).
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The maximum salary in Toronto is 80k.....so yes, go ahead and enjoy the silence.
Say what? I was making $90K in Toronto fifteen years ago, (before the company I worked for pissed me off and I quit, just a couple of years before they tanked), and salaries have gone up since then.
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It'll all come crashing down once Trump ends the Fed.
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From what I've seen, Toronto's housing prices aren't actually much better than SF. Average home price is like $1m. Average home price in SF is only $1.35m. The Bay as a whole is more in line with other urban places at $825k
NYC is $680k, but that's the entire city. Manhattan is $1.35m, but Brooklyn is only $788k (and all the tech people I know live here.) Seattle is $765k.
But for sure some of the smaller tech centers have better prices, though many of those have sky rocketed in the last 10 years. Even Oakland County, Michigan has gone up a lot.
Not quite. As of June 2018 the average selling price of a home in Toronto (according to the Toronto Real Estate Board) was $C $807,871 which is equal to (at today's exchange rate, which hasn't changed much over the last two years) $US 631,218. So less than half the average in SF if we assume your number for that market is correct.
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When the median house price in San Francisco is over $1.6m, using the 1/3rds rule, you need to be making $533k in salary to realistically own a home there. People are starting to realize you can live on an acre of horse property, with an eight bedroom mansion, in most of the rest of the country and still have money left over to feed the horses for the same amount.
However finding a job that pays even 1/6th of that salary in a state where you can get such a property is another challenge.
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A quick look at the numbers.
Purchase price $1.6m - $320K down payment (20%), $1.28m financed (80%).
$1.28m mortgage, 4% int, Payment = $6,111/mo.
Monthly payments should not exceed 30% of your income.
Income = $6,111*12mo/.30 = $244,440
Math is your friend
Math can also be really misleading .... (Score:2)
Right now, our total household income (both wife and I work full time in I.T.) is nowhere near $250,000/yr. -- but we certainly qualify as "upper middle class".
My current mortgage payment is around $1,600/month and that's for a 2,200 square foot, 3 bedroom house with a 2 car detached garage, in Maryland.
If I looked at the extra income we'd have if we had $250,000 between us each year? I'd still be really hard pressed to sign on the line for any mortgage resembling $6,000+ per month! We pretty much live pay
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If I looked at the extra income we'd have if we had $250,000 between us each year? I'd still be really hard pressed to sign on the line for any mortgage resembling $6,000+ per month! We pretty much live paycheck to paycheck on the current income, by the time you consider the costs of raising 3 kids and the (I think reasonable) decision for both of us to buy nice, newer model vehicles to drive around.
When you have met your basic needs, all the income above that is disposable. If your income doubles, your food cost does not double, nor does your electric, gas, water, cell phone, cable, transportation costs. Your kids don't where twice as many clothes, your car payment doesn't increase. Basically, you are no longer living paycheck to paycheck.
The tendency for lenders to loan money and make recommendations on "what you can afford" based simply on percentages of your total income is what got a whole lot of people in over their heads with home buying before the last economic crash.
This was an exercise in what is possible, buying a home in San Francisco. The ultimate decision is still up to the individual.
During the housing boom and then b
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I hate to break it to you, but if you are living paycheck to paycheck, then it's not a reasonable decision to buy "nice, newer model vehicles to drive around.". You should save some money from your vehicle expenditures and get out of your paycheck to paycheck financial situation.
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Definitely not. I've done 3 variants and it's a world of difference.
First was a bus pass. IMO this was the 2nd best transportation experience despite there being a lot of waiting, ripoff cabs for late night travel, and limitations on employment / residential opportunities. Saved up money for option 2:
A used car. Initially worked well but starting 6 months later it would have one surprise or another which made it a shop queen (idler pulley went, caliper bolt fell out causing the car to be unable to rever
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1. GP could have bought cheaper cars.
2. Modern cars are a lot more reliable. There is a reason the average age of cars on the road in the USA is about 12 years. I own a 14 year old car (being driven by my daughter now) and I could put a new engine in it and still be way ahead on costs versus a new car.
3. Almost everyone (probably you included) underestimates the cost of depreciation and doesn't add in the increase in insurance premiums on newer valuable cars.
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My shitty car was a 2005 model - it was only 7 or 8 years old when I got it. Did all the research and everyone online swore those cars could go 250,000 miles easy.
The one good thing was the low purchase price allowed me to leave enough invested to afford the newer car in cash later. In college I saw a video about buying a used car instead of a new one, and taking what you would have made in car payments and investing it. I one-up'd the advice and took the bus while investing, then bought the shit
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I know I took a while to respond here, but in case you're still following replies to your posts?
I agree completely with this other guy who replied to you on this. Buying old, cheap used cars is a fool's errand UNLESS you enjoy working on them yourself AND have the flexibility and free time to do it.
I spent a LONG time learning that lesson. (Screw those lying bastard mechanics that preach about it always being wiser and cheaper to keep your old vehicle running. That's the line they give you to ensure their p
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I agree that buying a car that is too old can cost you more than a newer car, but that doesn't mean you have to buy a new or CPO car.
My wife and I have bought about 25 cars in our lives. 5 of those were bought new. I have never bought a CPO. I only bought one used car from a dealer. The oldest car I have bought was 40 years old.
All those used cars have been far cheaper to
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Idler pulley. Wow, you should have just junked it.
How does the monthly $300 car payment and $200 full coverage insurance payment compare to the occasional repair bills?
There is a reason most cars are 'new shiny'. Stupid people make their decisions with their egos.
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Yeah when it went it took a bunch of belts with it, including the A/C. If the repair bills were occasional I'd have agreed - but it was in one shop or another almost every month. And unlike the monthly car payment and insurance, a "it could be fine or it could need $1000 of work next month" wreaks havoc on any budgeting. And that's the thing about rolling the dice - you could get a lemon or you could get something perfectly fine. But you never know. With a new(ish) car you get a mfgr warranty.
Also to p
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Now you're just making shit up. Cars have only had one serpentine belt for about 30 years.
The idler screaming was a warning, most people replace them before they seize. Any moron can do it.
If you put half a car payment per month into an older car, in 6 months it will be straight. Unless you bought an old french car or something really stupid like that.
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Perhaps GP's problem wasn't the car, but the shop or shops he was taking it too.
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It didn't scream, it just gave up with no warning and suddenly I was idling like I was going through an earthquake. Car smoothed out at speed. According to mechanic when it broke it damaged something needed for the AC (which I had immediately noticed as well, due to it being 90+ outside that day), I blame Japanese car manufacturers for putting everything so close together. And no amount of throwing money into that hole worked, every time one thing was fixed something else would break months later. At on
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You can get a Ten Year Fixed Mortgage.
Additionally, you can get a 15, 20, 25 year mortgage, and pay extra every month, without penalty, which goes to principle and gets you out quicker.
People aren't using it, because for the most part, Mortgages tend to be "cheap money", with interest deductible on taxes, and interest much lower than most other types of loans. I would suggest to you, that if you have ANY debt at all, converting it into a Mortgage and stop over extending yourself. It is a great way to "force
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A /.er in yoga pants. Thanks for the nightmares you fuckwit.
Maybe if I chug a handle of Vodka, my long term memory will shutdown before the image is burned in. Gotta go.
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That type of loan is definitely available for real estate, if you can afford it. I got a ten year loan when I bought my second house and paid it off in about seven years, and that's when interest rates were a little higher than now.
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You can easily argue that a 30 yr mortgage is not a sensible choice. I often wonder why I can buy a $80k truck and pay it off in seven years at $1000 a month but that type of loan is not available for real estate. They smack you with 100k in interest and amortize that in with the price of the home (80,000 + 100,000) over 360 payments or whatever. Perhaps that simple loan is available? Why aren't people using it?
People aren't using it because they can get a mortgage at 4-5% and investment returns of 7-10%. If you get the largest mortgage you can and instead invest the money you didn't put towards the down payment, the returns will almost always cover the extra interest.
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Canada requires you to put down 20% if the house is $1m or more. [canada.ca]
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If you are making 60k, you can buy a $400k house with a $80k down payment.
The percentages work out to be the same.
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As someone above pointed out, they don't really work out to be the same. That's because you're not considering cost of living.
If my income went up $100k right now, I wouldn't have anything to do with that money but invest it, save it, or waste it. If I wanted a house, it would be trivial to save up $300k for a $1.5m house. 3 years and done. At my current salary and cost of living expenses, it would take me about a decade.
Your example of someone making $60k and trying to save up $80k thus doesn't compare to
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But I don't wan't to live on an acre of horse property. I also don't care about owning a home. I live and rent in San Francisco, and have for 20 years. Yeah, it's very expensive, but there are things I have near my place I cna't find anywhere else. I live in a mostly Russian/Chinese neighborhood with 4 Russian delis, 4 large Asian supermarkets, ~10 sushi restaurants, 4 schools, parks, a Polish deli, 3 Indian restaurants, a soul food place, a tiki bar, multiple churches, synagogues, Thai, Korean, Caju
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Around where I live, you need at least 10 acres to legally stable a horse on your property.
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So, I question that this current tech boom in Toronto has anything to do with cheap and available housing. (Since, you know, like most urban professionals, the first thing I am looking for in a house in 2018 is an acre of horse property.)
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Keep in mind that mortgage interest is not tax deducible in Canada like it is in the good old USA. Neither is property tax and in Toronto it's very high. A lot of big ticket items like cars cost more in Canada and the price of gas is approaching that of Europe. Actually, a lot of things cost more in Canada due to lack of competition compared to the US. So the cost of living is pretty high in Toronto compared to most US cities.
Toronto does have a very good public transit system - when they aren't on strike -
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Toronto is becoming similar to Vancouver in that the government(s) responsible for the place, seem to have /almost/ 0 care factor about corrupt Chinese money being funneled in via overseas property purchasing or basically giving out residency like candy (for enough money, see also: Australia)
Honestly, I thought Toronto was worse than it must be for this to have even occurred. I thought it was only a bit behind Vancouver.
These 2 things (the tech jobs, Chinese property investment) can not be good for the orig
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When the median house price in San Francisco is over $1.6m, using the 1/3rds rule, you need to be making $533k in salary to realistically own a home there.
Your numbers don't add up. That's because a first-time buyer (without assets) buys a starter home, not a median home. Let's flesh it out with solid scenarios:
(1) First time buyer, has rented for 5 years to build up downpayment, is now looking at a starter home. Studio rent is $2k/month in San Jose, so if you earned $100k/year after tax then you'd be paying 24% of your salary on rent, and being frugal you're saving up 25% of it. That will make $125k downpayment at the time you buy your house. Median starter
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These are just glorified call centers with very low wages.
In a call center there are a lot of low wage jobs but these are skilled labor positions. The people on the phones need managers, and computers they use need support. The people on the phones will gain further skills on the job, and be able to save money for certifications, training, and college. I worked in call centers and the people there were probably 2/3rds those that will work that job until they die, and the rest moving on to be managers, programmers, and other high wage jobs. Maybe I'm being opti
Not a surprise (Score:5, Informative)
There's an old joke in Canada, that Toronto believes it's the centre of the universe(or at least Canada). It's not far from the truth, every major company in Canada is either fully or partially headquartered there or within 150km of it. For tech, you're guaranteed front access to the best place in the country for internet as well. 151 Front St, basically every ISP connects there, and every data center in the country has a massive presence there. It's the heart of money in the country, seat of provincial government, and within ~5hrs(train), 4-6hrs car to Ottawa. Letting you get all the hobnobbing in that anyone who wants to make connections could care to do.
Downside to Toronto? Nearly 75% of the 1/3 of the population of Canada(Windsor to Ottawa) lives in the area. Your workers need massive pay to live there. The median housing price is $1.58M, but the average worker makes less then $60k/year. In my area, the average income is $43k/year(that's around 140km from Toronto), but the housing prices are well over $400k/year these days. There's a lot of commuting from London, Woodstock, Kitchener and Waterloo and Milton(from the south) into Toronto now as people have been priced out of housing, and that's *in* the tech sector. Renting? Ha good luck. When I was living on Broadview(that's just off the Danforth where the shooting was a couple of days ago back in '06ish), I was paying $1200/mo in a basement apartment and that was a deal. It's around $3800/mo right now, worse in other areas. Living in an apt. building, that has a literal roach problem can run you $4.2k/mo right in the downtown area.
On top of that living in Canada is expensive. Right now you're looking at $1.24-1.46/L($4.50-6/gal) for gas, you're going to drive a lot. Electricity during peak(8-20h) is $0.185kWh. Despite "free healthcare" you're gonna be waiting a long time for surgery, say 1.5yrs for cataract, 1-2mo for cancer diagnosis, another 1-3mo for starting treatment after that diagnosis. Up to 12mo for bypass surgery. On top of that, medications and dental aren't covered so you'll want to get supplemental health insurance from a company like greenshield.ca [greenshield.ca] or blueshield.ca that'll help but figure $150-300mo/person. Many companies have some type of plan, but there's plenty that don't. Don't hope to have a family doctor, plenty of people don't. Some have been waiting 10 years to get one. Also don't hope on finding a specialist for anything nearby, you might have to drive up to 400km even living in Toronto to get one. Whole bunch of stuff I'm forgetting as well.
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I live in downtown Toronto. You can rent a nice condo in a new building downtown for $1900/month or maybe even a bit less ($1600). My sister has rented apartments in other parts of the city for $1200/month. Your $3800/month for a basement apartment quote is way off!
As for housing, I get junk mail from real estate agents regularly. You can buy downtown codos between $430K - $900K.
Housing prices and rent prices have gone up a lot over the last few years, sure, but it's not as bad as you say it is.
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Post places, because looking through rental ads I can't find any. And the ones that you're talking about in a "new building downtown" don't exist, but they do seem to exist in the appt buildings from the 1970's that are in unsafe areas of the city for example.
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Despite "free healthcare" you're gonna be waiting a long time for surgery, say 1.5yrs for cataract,
Um, no [waittimes.cihi.ca]. According to the Canadian Institute for Health Care, 71% receive treatment within 112 days, 90% within 210 days. I don't know where you get 540 days from.
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Um...yes. That's Canada. Not Ontario, this is Ontario. [gov.on.ca]
Here's an example from Ontario, of a 427 days [ontariowaittimes.com] Remember that the ONTARIO average is 217 days, and Toronto is in Ontario. In Toronto, 270-316 days isn't outside the norm.
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And here in America, more precisely Phoenix my mother waited almost a year to get a shunt put in her head.
When its not an emergency things can and do wait. My mother went almost a year being so off balance that she could barely walk. She wasn't in danger of dying though and thankfully is much better now that she got the shunt put in.
More to the point, if it was a real problem Canadian's would be calling for more doctors and hospitals which would bring the wait times down. This is a much simpler formula th
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Except where you're waiting 21 days as a top priority cancer patient right? Or a week and change to have angioplasty done? In both cases, you're likely to die. Quickly and painfully but those are the norm, you did look up the numbers on those links right? No, I guess you didn't.
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If you're diagnosed with cancer, or need a heart bypass, you'll be treated within days.
Well I guess 21 days, is within days right? I mean that's the length of time you'll wait right now in one of the largest hospital centers in Ontario(LHSC). That's for top priority cancer patients, it's supposed to be 7 days. For heart surgery, if you're a top 1, it is generally 1 day. They're also more likely to fly you to Toronto or Kitchener if you're at any hospital from say Brandford south to Windsor.
Did you write perl or shell for my company? (Score:2)
Downside to Toronto? Nearly 75% of the 1/3 of the population of Canada(Windsor to Ottawa) lives in the area.
Your post was good, but I have to laugh at this. It reminds me quite a bit of some of the shell and perl I inherited on my job from past employees who are now gone. 75% of 1/3 is 24.75%, or by rounding up, 25%. But I guess it's more fun to say "75% of 1/3 of Canada's population" than "25% of Canada's population".
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There's an old joke in Canada, that Toronto believes it's the centre of the universe(or at least Canada). It's not far from the truth, every major company in Canada is either fully or partially headquartered there or within 150km of it. For tech, you're guaranteed front access to the best place in the country for internet as well. 151 Front St, basically every ISP connects there, and every data center in the country has a massive presence there. It's the heart of money in the country, seat of provincial government, and within ~5hrs(train), 4-6hrs car to Ottawa. Letting you get all the hobnobbing in that anyone who wants to make connections could care to do.
Downside to Toronto? Nearly 75% of the 1/3 of the population of Canada(Windsor to Ottawa) lives in the area. Your workers need massive pay to live there. The median housing price is $1.58M, but the average worker makes less then $60k/year. In my area, the average income is $43k/year(that's around 140km from Toronto), but the housing prices are well over $400k/year these days. There's a lot of commuting from London, Woodstock, Kitchener and Waterloo and Milton(from the south) into Toronto now as people have been priced out of housing, and that's *in* the tech sector. Renting? Ha good luck. When I was living on Broadview(that's just off the Danforth where the shooting was a couple of days ago back in '06ish), I was paying $1200/mo in a basement apartment and that was a deal. It's around $3800/mo right now, worse in other areas. Living in an apt. building, that has a literal roach problem can run you $4.2k/mo right in the downtown area.
On top of that living in Canada is expensive. Right now you're looking at $1.24-1.46/L($4.50-6/gal) for gas, you're going to drive a lot. Electricity during peak(8-20h) is $0.185kWh. Despite "free healthcare" you're gonna be waiting a long time for surgery, say 1.5yrs for cataract, 1-2mo for cancer diagnosis, another 1-3mo for starting treatment after that diagnosis. Up to 12mo for bypass surgery. On top of that, medications and dental aren't covered so you'll want to get supplemental health insurance from a company like greenshield.ca [greenshield.ca] or blueshield.ca that'll help but figure $150-300mo/person. Many companies have some type of plan, but there's plenty that don't. Don't hope to have a family doctor, plenty of people don't. Some have been waiting 10 years to get one. Also don't hope on finding a specialist for anything nearby, you might have to drive up to 400km even living in Toronto to get one. Whole bunch of stuff I'm forgetting as well.
Why don't you leave. So negative. My son lives at John and Front in a superb condo. He walks to work, has all amenities, and his rent is around 1600/mo for 1 bedroom apt. If he commutes by moving away, he gets a 3 bedroom for a little more than that amount.
And you forgot to mention --- NO GUNS -- and Low crime rate. Look at gun killings for all of Toronto and all of Canada.
And many workers work from home and use skype or other and attend meetings in person once every 10 days.
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Why don't you leave. So negative. My son lives at John and Front in a superb condo. He walks to work, has all amenities, and his rent is around 1600/mo for 1 bedroom apt. If he commutes by moving away, he gets a 3 bedroom for a little more than that amount.
I work here, right now. That's why. And I'd rather fix the province, then let the left and progressives continue to destroy it. I'll also bet that your son's superb condo is around 350sqft. Which is roughly the norm in John and Front St.
And you forgot to mention --- NO GUNS -- and Low crime rate. Look at gun killings for all of Toronto and all of Canada.
LOL guns are all over the place in Toronto. Go look at the TPS crime map, the number of "shots fired" cases recorded are unbelievable. The number of shootings in the GTA is up 55% from last year making it more dangerous then Thunder Bay, and gang activity from last yea
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Holy crap, 1.5 years for a cataract? I would have been fucked. Both eyes when they decided to be a problem went from clear to 75% gone within two months. The other eye decided to be a problem about 1.5 years after the first one was operated on. Here in America I saw one of the best doctors in the US and it was done within a few weeks. I'm a pilot and that would certainly ground me during that time. So I'd be out for almost 3 years. I got the multifocal lens. It's a bit like christmas at night with the rings
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Private for-pay practices are generally not allowed in Canada. Just another benefit of universal healthcare.
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I met a guy at a pool party that had a very scared up shoulder. He had major surgery done. He said he was a British citizen and hurt it. They said it would be a little over 5 years to wait to fix it, however they would fix it eventually. So he said it was actually faster to move his family to America, become citizens, get coverage and get the operation done here.
Then I keep hearing how great the UK and Canadian systems are.
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'here' = ?
SWON.
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Why wouldn't we compare canada to some backwater? Apples to apples is fair.
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Why wouldn't we compare canada to some backwater? Apples to apples is fair.
You mean the UK? I mean, they're just letting people die in the hospitals there because they can't treat them.
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I also have an uncle who lives in the GTA and needed a triple bypass, he got it within a week, at no meaningful expense to himself.
American pathological individualism is the only thing protecting Canada from a refugee crisis.
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And yet, in all those cases when you look at the reported wait times what do you see? That your uncle got treatment before most people, and most people wait up to 34 days for that. Good on him for getting into a hospital with a low wait time. Your best friend, is at a hospital where wait times are low. I'm guessing outside of the GTA, K/W and LHSC. Because those are around 21 days. Your wife got lucky on the biopsy because let me guess it was at the same hospital as your uncle? The wait time is aroun
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Wow... Such a misleading post.
Except it's not, see why don't you check ontariogasprices.com for instance. See that greenshield link? Yep, click on it. The average wait time for a bypass is 84-196 days. Did you even click on your own link? You should probably check and validate your own post, it explains why you posted as a AC though.
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You know, the parts where you're wrong are the parts where you disagreed with me. I mean, in what world is Milton [google.com] west and north of Toronto? When it's SOUTH and before Mississauga. I could round out the other parts where you said I was wrong, but there's no point.
Bullshit to the above, if you live in Toronto you don't need to own a car unless you have children
Really? Which is why everyone owns a car unless you're a block from the subway system.
The above is capital C conservative propaganda. Sometimes we do have bad wait times but not really. My father's cancer treatment was much faster (Barrie) and even dislocating a shoulder on hallowe'en I was in/out of St. Joseph's (Toronto) in less than four hours.
Kinda like this, did you even look at the wait times? No you didn't. If you did, then you'd know it was reality. Do you really not understand why doctors st
Geoffrey Hinton Effect? (Score:2)
He has back problems and won't fly - "I sat down in 2005".
This is the deep learning industry growing around his lab.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0... [nytimes.com]
Toronto will never beat San Francisco (Score:1)
Guess who will take credit (Score:5, Informative)
Sadly, Ontario just gave a Trumpoid former drug dealer and his fundamentalist Conservative Party a majority government. No doubt they'll claim this is all thanks to them (although they've only been in power for a couple of weeks). And when they blast the provincial debt through the roof with unfunded tax cuts, then sell off taxpayer-owned assets to pretty up the books, they'll blame everybody but themselves. It happened before with a cretinous monster named Mike Harris.
Doug Ford - Ontario Premier (Score:2)
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then sell off taxpayer-owned assets to pretty up the books, they'll blame everybody but themselves. It happened before with a cretinous monster named Mike Harris.
And very recently with a Liberal premier named Kathleen Wynne.
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The main difference between Harris and Wynne was the buddies they had lined up to gang rape Ontario taxpayers. There was even a certain amount of overlap in their policies: privatize a taxpayer asset and sell it to their friends at firesale prices. Both worked to privatize Ontario Hydro, for example.
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Nobody would vote a drug dealer into power, no matter what your allegation.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of an electorate. We used to have Marion Barry. Mayor for life. At least mayor until the news papers stopped telling Washington to not vote for him because he was a no good, good for nothing bastard. Even the Simpsons made fun of him. As soon as the press layed off, he was out. Seemed like there was always a scandal with him. Kickbacks, etc. They were like - see, don't tell us we can't elect him!
Supposedly Bill Clinton had big drug connections when he was Governor. They use
Canadian Hospitality? (Score:3, Informative)
I have to wonder with anti-everyone almost Trump policies in the US if Tech companies aren't just relocating to Canada because you don't end up in silly situations such as your lead tech speaker being denied at the border due to race issues or something else going wrong in the US such as the Tariff wars that are going on now. Canada has the accessibility from Toronto to International Markets and isn't busy trying to Tariff everything.
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Maybe eat lots of fish.
Not for much longer (Score:3, Interesting)
The Trump clone that is PM of Ontario is doing his best to drive industry away and from all report, he is suceeding.
How long til the invasion? (Score:1)
Nothing at *all* to do with the idiot (Score:2)
In the WH. No, no, nothing here, nothing to do with a national healthcare system (which means corporate benefit costs are vastly less, and don't go up 5%, 10%, 30% every year, as they do here.
And Toronto just completely banned handguns. I suppose Canadians aren't that afraid of either their government, or of each other.
Nah, there are no good reasons....
Where are you prices coming from? Space? (Score:1)
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Toronto also created more shootings than all of those other cities combined.
Something like 650 gun related incidents a year now.
But Canada already banned all the guns. What are they going to do now, ban them again?
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Are you referring to officer 1BDI?