After 60 Years, 1,900-Mile-Long Interstate 95 Is Almost Finished (bloomberg.com) 116
"It has taken 60 years, but a small, strange gap in Interstate-95 is being filled," writes Slashdot reader McGruber. Bloomberg reports: Near the Pennsylvania border, drivers have long been forced off the interstate and onto other roadways, only to join back 8 miles away. Transportation officials and civil engineers spent more than two decades and $425 million to eliminate this detour off I-95, the most traveled highway in America, spanning 1,900 miles from Miami to Maine.
The Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission, which oversees the I-95 Interchange Project, said the new infrastructure -- which includes the creation of flyover ramps, toll plaza facilities, environmental mitigation sites, intersections, six overhead bridges, widened highways and new connections to the New Jersey and Pennsylvania turnpikes -- will be open to the public by Sept. 24. "The benefit of completing this 'missing link' is mobility," said Carl DeFebo, the director of public relations at the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission. The new infrastructure will reduce traffic time for north- and south-bound travelers and ease congestion on local roads that used to connect I-95 to the Pennsylvania Turnpike.
The Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission, which oversees the I-95 Interchange Project, said the new infrastructure -- which includes the creation of flyover ramps, toll plaza facilities, environmental mitigation sites, intersections, six overhead bridges, widened highways and new connections to the New Jersey and Pennsylvania turnpikes -- will be open to the public by Sept. 24. "The benefit of completing this 'missing link' is mobility," said Carl DeFebo, the director of public relations at the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission. The new infrastructure will reduce traffic time for north- and south-bound travelers and ease congestion on local roads that used to connect I-95 to the Pennsylvania Turnpike.
All praise to Trump! (Score:1, Funny)
Surely he is solely and personally responsible for the massive savings and speed completion that occurred since he took office!
Let's have a military parade to celebrate!
Thank God (Score:5, Interesting)
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Forget the sixty years it took to build this road.
$400,000,000.00 for 8 miles.
That's $50,000,000.00 a mile for an above ground strip of construction. Good to know the next time the anti train folks whine about Capex.
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This is the paragraph from Brown's speech:
The next step is completing the Valley segment and getting an operating system connected to San Jose. Yes, it costs lots of money but it is still cheaper and more convenient than expanding airports and building new freeways to meet the growing demand. It will be fast, quiet and powered by renewable electricity and last for a hundred years.
To the non-ideologically blinded, this is easy to understand. He says that the train system will "last for a hundred years" (I would expect it really to last indefinitely, with proper maintenance). It is not possible to read this and honestly believe it to say that it wall take over a hundred years to build it.
You can read the actual business plan here. It states that the San Francisco to Anaheim main line is scheduled for completion in 2033, 15 years from now. Migh
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The California bullet train is projected to cost as much as $98BN for 119 Ike's of track - that's a bit more than $50M/mile.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/1... [cnbc.com]
Uh, you're getting a hell of a lot more than just a set of train tracks for $98BN.
Stupid comparison, is stupid.
If I were posting something in favor of the ill fated already several times over cost California bullet train I'd do it as an AC too.
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And if you actually read the news about this you know that the $98 billion is the high end estimate of the total project ($77 billion is the current projection, which is an increase), but that 119 miles is only one smallish part of the project. That part of the project is currently estimated at $10.6 billion, or roughly 1/10 of what you are claiming. Still more that $50 million a mile ($89 million), true.
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Last I heard, the worst-case cost was only $10.6 billion for that 119 miles of track. Did it somehow grow by an order of magnitude since January?
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For only $400M?
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I've driven roundtrip through there twice from Baltimore to Boston in 1988 and 1991, and I never even noticed the gap the four times (there and back twice) I've been through there. Amusingly assuming what I remember is correct, you didn't have to pay to get into New Jersey, but you gladly had to pay to leave.
But seriously, did I just miss the gap?
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Public work projects are expensive.
While there is a lot of waste that probably can be cleaned up, but often the cost of finding the waste is more expensive then the amount of waste itself.
However if you figure a Pot hole that needs to be filled
needs the following.
3 People:
2 People to direct traffic on both sides.
A person to fill the hole.
So if this process takes 1 hour. This would cost tax payers about $100 just for labor. Then there is management to determine where the potholes are and what priority they
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You might have gone up the NJ Turnpike instead. That's the better route. It's is labeled 95 in its northern parts, but down near Philly, The NJT is in NJ and 95 is on the PA side along the east side of Philly.
The section of the NJ Turnpike from Exit 6 to Exit 1 would have to be rebuilt to Interstate Standards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_standards to be designated as such. Besides, PA lobbied to keep I-95 flowing through their state instead of by-passing the Philadelphia area altogether.
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That's probably because you assumed that I-95 followed the entire length of the NJ Turnpike - which pretty much everyone has assumed all along. But no, I-95 runs down the Turnpike from NYC and then mysteriously stops being signed as such around Exit 9, even though there was no applicable interchange involved. Then the NJ Turnpike ends at the bridge into Delaware, where it meets up with the stub of I-95 that goes through Philadelphia and also mysteriously starts being signed as I-295 after crossing into NJ.
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You know what? You're right.
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PA is not even a coastal state, so there's no logical reason for I-95 to run through it in the first place - other than politics.
Alas politics is enough of a reason to break just about any sane reasoning.
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Most people going north or south on I95 never took the route that went through Philly (unless you had a need to go to Philly). Growing up in Delaware, I never understood why I95 even went to Philly, since it basically dead-ends once you get north of the city. It should be called something else, like I-895 or something as it's really just a spur up to Philly and the PA turnpike.
If you want to go north I95, you go over the Del. Mem. Bridge and take either I295 (free) or the NJ turnpike (toll, and still only a
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You took the New Jersey Turnpike. It suddenly loses its "I-95" label after the Delaware Memorial Bridge where you start to see occasional "To I-95" signs all the way until Exit 7A for I-195.
We frequent travelers know to use I-295 north of Memorial Bridge, not I-95, therefore, this new project doesn't really matter to us, either. Nobody who travels this corridor regularly would ever take I-95 in Pennsylvania north of Delaware. We take I-295 through New Jersey. The reason that I-95 even swoops over to Phi
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It's never been finished finished in South Florida (Score:2, Informative)
..always in a constant state of construction. Been here almost 20 years, and it's still all fucked up in places from Miami to at least West Palm Beach. I avoid it as much as I can.
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https://wtfflorida.com/media/9... [wtfflorida.com]
Seriously, I-95 in Miami is something else. It feels like you're driving on a cobblestone road; it's made of rough concrete with billions of expansion joints. Not to mention everyone drives like they're going to war.
Personally I'd modify that first panel to say "I-95 north of Palm Beach". Once you enter Palm Beach county, every point south of that is progressively worsening chaos.
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At least they finally finished the construction widening it to three lanes in each direction from Vero Beach north through Brevard County. The traffic dumping onto 95 North from Malabar Rd. and the backups on 95 South at the Palm Bay Rd. exit made it a real mess before they got that third lane added.
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Drive in America (even Chicago or Boston), then drive in Cairo, Egypt... come back and tell us you still don't care about lines on roads.
It's Democrats no longer caring about lines that is driving them to distraction and losing elections.
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Eisenhower was great, and Republican, but he has nothing in common with the current Republican Party, any more than does Abraham Lincoln. Over the last 40 years Republicans have come to oppose any and all infrastructure spending. Ten years ago Republicans would have labeled Eisenhower a RINO (Republican In Name Only) -- now he would be dismissed as a Marxist Deep State Conspirator.
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Republicans don't have a problem with the government building roads. Some anarcho-capitalists and minarchists do, but certainly not the standard Republican.
And no one - not Republican, nor anarcho-capitalist, would say that we have the freedom to drive on any part of the road we choose.
Your foolishness only works within the echo chamber and fails everywhere else.
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I would think that most Democratic Socialists would also have a problem with corporate welfare (building a road specifically to benefit a corporation, or giving cheap electricity - AMAZON) or corruption. Many o
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No conservative or libertarian or minarchist would follow that recipe. Would thieves under the guise of New Deal Democrats in the 1930s and laissez-faire cost cutters in the 1990s do that? Yes.
But that is not the political philosophy of either New Deal Democrats or laissez-faire Republicans.
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So it may be your experience that Republicans don't oppose the government building roads, but that experience is not universal.
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The question of what tax dollars should be spent on is complicated. Few local areas are willing to pay for their roads. NYC, where I live, depends on state and federal expenditures. NYC could allocate all of the collected gas tax to roads and bridges. It doesn't. It goes into the general fund.
This lack of accountability, this lack of accountability is a major cause of friction.
Have 100% of your gas tax go
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Vandyke brown! Don't forget the Vandyke brown!
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How about DC? (Score:4, Interesting)
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We cancelled most of our intercity interstates and built our Metro.
There have been many recent changes to improve through-traffic on the severely truncated I-95, though.
I like the huge and empty interchange where I-95 meets the I-495 north of DC. It's like the builders left the stubs and unnecessarily huge bridges there out of spite.
Re:How about DC? (Score:4, Informative)
It was originally planned to, of course. I-395 was originally I-95, but they only got it as far as US Route 50 before local politics brought it to a screeching halt and faced with the fact that the rest of it would never be built, they had to designate part of the Beltway (I-495) as I-95, and the designation I-395 was created for the unfinished road through DC. I remember how there used to be signs on I-395 that said "old I-95" (I don't remember the I-95 signs for it--the designation was changed in the late 1970s and I'm not quite old enough to have been driving it back then.)
Rerouting I-95 to the Beltway means it has to cross the Potomac via Wilson Bridge. Isn't having a major Interstate artery cross a drawbridge fun? At least they rebuilt it higher so it doesn't have to open as often--it used to open almost daily.
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Not just around DC but the entire DC to Richmond corridor on I-95 is terrible. Especially around Fredericksburg. It is not at all uncommon for traffic to be bumper to bumper along that section even during non-peak hours. It is frequently much faster to get off the interstate and travel route 1 which runs parallel to it. You can at least do 45 mph on most of route 1.
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How about completing it? In the east it terminates ignominiously in Woodlawn MD [google.com]. Western terminus peters out near Cove Fort, Utah. What an embarrassment.
now we need to build 53 and FAP 420! (Score:2)
now we need to build 53 and FAP 420!
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Civil Engineers are Nerds too (Score:4, Informative)
Not just Computer Engineers
Re:Civil Engineers are Nerds too (Score:5, Funny)
There's no such thing as a civil engineer. We're a truly rude and nasty bunch of people.
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AvE, is that you ?
Oh please. He's far from the only grumpy old man in the world :-)
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"Civil engineer" is the term used to describe engineers who work without bullets flying at them from armed enemy combatants. If you have such bullets flying at you, we call you "military engineers."
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If you have such bullets flying at you, we call you "military engineers."
No we don't. We call you a combat engineer [wikipedia.org]. Military engineers work on military projects, but are not in combat, and do not perform combat-specific duties.
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Not just Computer Engineers
Yes. This "News for Nerds" website spends way too much time talking about information technology and not enough time discussing other technology. There have been recent advances in traffic engineering too. Ever see a diverging diamond interchange? [wikipedia.org]
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There have been recent advances in traffic engineering too. Ever see a diverging diamond interchange?
Yes. There are at least two of them on I-70, one over, one under. The one over made a great deal of sense. It serves a mall, with the majority of traffic being required to cross the highway after exiting. The other one seems a little gratuitous. The crossroad it was constructed for was fairly low-traffic to begin with, and that hasn't changed appreciably.
It was intended to replace US 1 in New Jersey (Score:5, Informative)
Interstate 95 was always intended to be built along the right-of-way of US 1 in New Jersey between Princeton and New Brunswick. Driving in the area you can see where property along US 1 was condemned and cleared in anticipation of I-95, but the highway construction never happened due to local opposition.
This "re-routing" is a bit more than re-signing a 20-mile-longer route over existing interstates that we were already using over the past 30 years to bypass that missing segment. We would take I-295 from the Delaware Memorial Bridge, take I-195 eastbound, and then join the New Jersey Turnpike northbound where it formally takes on the I-95 designation. It was not labelled I-95 south of I-195.
Along with the re-labeling of these roads there are a lot of new roadway, bridges, and interchanges as well to optimize the dangerous merges. I-295 will revert to become a kinda-Philadelphia-bypass (a.k.a., "half-assed Beltway and southern bypass") as originally intended. The "new" I-95 will ultimately become this haphazard zig-zag highway that nobody wanted with an extra twenty miles more than the originally-proposed route through Princeton. But, at least they can say "I-95 is finally completed."
Meanwhile, the New Jersey Turnpike express lanes, a.k.a., "dual-dual" configuration, have been extended far south of the Exit 7A I-195 interchange.
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Oh nice! (Score:2)
50 years of not-so-fond memories (Score:5, Interesting)
I spent 50 years driving DC to Rhode Island.
About this interchange: The Penn Turnpike was built before the interstates and was a toll road. So the 1950s connector between the new NJ section of I-95 (at exit 7A I think) and the Penn Turnpike was a "turnpike only" connection. Pennsylvania refused to allow it to connect to free roads so when a free interstate was run through Philadelphia there was no connection . The same thing happened in western MD where I-70 came near the Turnpike. PA refused to connect them so all travelers were shuttled through two miles of Pennsylvania Burger Chefs and gas stations in order extract some money before the traveler could get to the Penn Turnpike. It was the county's biggest business.
Two miles west of the NJ Turnpike at exit 7 is the golden north-south road; I-295, which goes through the NJ suburbs of Philadelphia all the way to the Delaware Memorial Bridge and is free. All the trucks going south get off the Jersey Pike at exit 7, gas up, take a snooze and head south on the free road, now- finally- well marked. Until about 2000 the road was never mentioned when you were going south in New Jersey and coming north into NJ across the Delaware Memorial Bridge (which incidentally has a phenomenal view- get in the right-hand lane, go slow and take in the view) there was simply an exit called "route 130". If there is heavy traffic going south on the Jersey Pike (every Sunday in the summer) get off on 295 and get straight to the bridge- no five mile backup to pay the tolls. The whole goal of NJ was to keep you off the free road and keep you paying the NJ highway toll- it was just like the Penn Turnpike.
If it is late fall and your are driving NYC to DC go down the main eastern shore roads and look at the flocks of geese wheeling and landing in the freshly harvested corn fields. They are huge, dignified birds and loud. Stop for 20 minutes and really look. This is the real thing- a National Geographic show in front of your eyes. Children are amazed. Then head to DC via the Bay Bridge at Annapolis- free heading south.
In my early youth dodging tolls was an art form. There were seven 25 cent tolls on the Connecticut Turnpike between RI and NYC; just flip the coin and drive on. Late at night the rich people would often miss, grumble and throw a second coin. So we poverty-stricken college students at 2 am would pretend to miss, get out of the car and usually harvest half-a-dozen quarters before the toll collecters could stop us (they had a nice side job keeping the coins for themselves). By the time we hit NYC we were usually $ 10 richer, enough to pay for the gas (30-50 cents/ gallon and in a price war as low as 19 cents). At the time the federal minimum wage was 85 cents/hour.
I still know the back roads through the Bronx to avoid the horrible NYC jams on the GW Bridge and at least once in your life heading north at 2 am (the best time to go through NYC) you should go through town via the 1920s, two lane Holland Tunnel turn left and surf north on 7th/8th Avenue with the cabs, an endless stream of red lights timed at 25-30 mph going almost 10 miles north to the GW bridge and back onto 95 north. Today heading north I usually go DC to Baltimore, north to Harrisburg and across the mountains with the trucks to the new Tappen Zee and I 84. A bit longer but much nicer.
The driving into New England is so bad that most truckers refuse to do it and if they do drive it must charge very high rates, which is why New England has such lousy fruits and vegetables and at such high prices. If this were Europe they would widen I-81, cross the Hudson north of the Tappen Zee and get straight to the Mass Pike. I've just spent the summer in the Balkans, often traveling by bus. Bosnia and Macedonia now have better interstates that the U.S. and far more interesting truck stops. And you should see how they build the new divided roads- much higher quality than in the U.S.- they are built to last. But then the locals compare the new EU roads to the Roman roads- they expect the bridges to last for 1,000 years.
NJ charges to you to leave... (Score:2)
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Miami averages a couple meters above Sealevel. Oceans aren't going to rise three meters+ in 15 years. Not even with worst-case sealevel rise. Hell, we won't see that much sealevel rise this century, much less in the next 15 years (again, worst case).
A good deal of Miami Beach is below [wattsupwiththat.com] storm surge levels last seen in 1984. Parts of it are below ordinary daily high tide. What the NOAA calls technically "mean higher high water". This being Slashdot, we should use the technical term. It's the higher of the two high tides per day, colloquially understood as "high tide". There's a road in Miami Beach that's literally built below the daily high tide mark. It floods every day when the tide comes in.
Next up for the PA Turnpike Commission... (Score:2)
Breezewood. It is *not* a traveler's oasis as the local businesses like to claim. It's an abomination of price gouging and poorly timed traffic lights.
Today I Learned... (Score:2)
There's a Sesame Street theme park [wikipedia.org] near where I-95 ends in Pennsylvania.
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All they did was change the name of the road (Score:2)