Read Two Of This Year's 2018 Hugh Award Winners Online (thehugoawards.org) 133
AmiMoJo quotes the Verge:
The 2018 Hugo Awards were held Sunday night at the World Science Fiction Convention in San Jose, California. The Hugo award, voted on by members of the fan community, is considered the highest honour for science fiction and fantasy literature... N.K. Jemisin took home the top honor for The Stone Sky, the third installment of her Broken Earth trilogy. Other winners include Martha Wells for her first Murderbot novella All Systems Red, Suzanne Palmer for her novelette "The Secret Life of Bots," and Rebecca Roanhorse for her short story "Welcome to your Authentic Indian Experience." [Those last two links apparently let you read the entire story online!] Roanhorse also took home the John W. Campbell Jr. Award for Best New Writer.
Ursula K. Le Guin also posthumously won an award for "Best Related Work" for her collection of blog posts No Time to Spare: Thinking About What Matters.
And Zack Snyder finally won something, when Blade Runner 2049 lost in the "Best Dramatic Presentation -- Long Form" category to Wonder Woman ("screenplay by Allan Heinberg, story by Zack Snyder & Allan Heinberg and Jason Fuch.")
Ursula K. Le Guin also posthumously won an award for "Best Related Work" for her collection of blog posts No Time to Spare: Thinking About What Matters.
And Zack Snyder finally won something, when Blade Runner 2049 lost in the "Best Dramatic Presentation -- Long Form" category to Wonder Woman ("screenplay by Allan Heinberg, story by Zack Snyder & Allan Heinberg and Jason Fuch.")
Title typo (Score:2, Interesting)
Read Two Of This Year's 2018 Hugo* Award Winners Online
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It's not exactly stellar to have "This year's 2018", either. Unless there were 2018 awards...
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And Zack Snyder finally won something, when Blade Runner 2049 lost in the "Best Dramatic Presentation -- Long Form" category
Also what kind of editing is this? Zack Snyder finally won something, when Wonder Woman won "Best Dramatic Presentation -- Long Form". You don't report that he won something because some other film lost. That comes across as grudging credit at best, if not sour grapes. Also acceptable is "when Wonder Woman beat Blade Runner 2049", but under no circumstances is it good editing to say Snyder won when Blade Runner lost to Wonder Woman.
Errors in headlines are embarrassing (Score:1)
That's just what we need to solve the problems in the Science Fiction community: a brand new award.
Diversity (Score:5, Funny)
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How dare you assume their gender based on their name! Besides they might have changed it since accepting the awards, or right beforehand just to throw off "normies" like yourself!
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"Super Hero" crap isn't SF, though. It's more of that Marvel-type crap. SF is about looking forward with wonder, not rehashed 1950's style villains and heroes.
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You know, I did not like Wonder Woman, and I do think that it is strange that white men no longer seem to be able to win much in the Hugos, but the two free stories are actually pretty good as far as I am concerned. Better than a lot I've read recently, and definitely SciFi, as opposed to fantasy crap.
I no longer read as much SciFi as I used to, and I certainly do not follow new authors before I hear really good things about them. Still, after reading The Secret Life of Bots by Suzanne Palmer I'm definite
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The Secret Life of Bots was an enjoyable little story, but it did make me wonder at the level of editing. For example,
I can concede that the error of "degrees K" might be the character's error rather than the author's, but nitrogen boils at 77K.
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Yup. Most of these wannabees have never actually, you know, like *read* any sf,, and think it's all movies and tv, and novelizations.
That kind doesn't think reading more than 280 characters is "k3wl", and that's not counting the "edgy" 16 yr olds using naughty words.
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Men just aren't interested in reading/writing. They prefer visual arts like movies. It's biological or something. Dude wrote a memo about it, maybe you missed it because it didn't get much publicity.
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What a hateful and sad little troll.
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Okay I'll give you the real answer. You won't like it though.
First, men did win this year, it even mentions some of them in the summary. Lots of nominations too.
But the more important thing is that there isn't an obvious systemic problem here. If there was you know I'd be first to point it out. This year is exceptional.
There needs to be a trend or evidence of some specific issue for there to be a problem.
Told you that you wouldn't like it.
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At least try to write a good post! Maybe AmiMoJo is right for once and men can't write?
Re:Diversity (Score:5, Informative)
But the more important thing is that there isn't an obvious systemic problem here. If there was you know I'd be first to point it out. This year is exceptional.
No white men have won a Hugo in anything, save for the "dramatic presentation" category, in years.
So I guess 2017 was an exceptional year too.
http://www.thehugoawards.org/h... [thehugoawards.org]
And so was 2016.
http://www.thehugoawards.org/h... [thehugoawards.org]
And at last, we have ONE white guy in 2015 (for best novelette). And the only reason he won was because there was an open rebellion among the fans demanding it:
https://www.wired.com/2015/08/... [wired.com]
Of course, that didn't stop the Hugo committee from responding to the rebellion by refusing to issue awards for most of the other nominees:
http://www.thehugoawards.org/h... [thehugoawards.org]
Should I go on, or are you still going to pretend that white guys have a snowball's chance in hell of winning a Hugo anymore?
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Just looking at the 2017 result I see:
Peter Newman
Michael Damian Thomas
Terry McDonough
Hawk Ostby
Mark Fergus
Denis Villeneuve
Eric Heisserer
And that's excluding Ted Chiang because of your arbitrary "white" clause.
Did you think I wouldn't check?
Re:Diversity (Score:5, Informative)
Peter Newman for a fancast co-hosted by a woman
Michael Damian Thomas part of a group award for a magazine edited by a woman with other women writers
Terry McDonough Best Dramatic Presentation which, as I mentioned, is the only category men are still allowed to win
Hawk Ostby Best Dramatic Presentation which, as I mentioned, is the only category men are still allowed to win
Mark Fergus Best Dramatic Presentation which, as I mentioned, is the only category men are still allowed to win
Denis Villeneuve Best Dramatic Presentation and co-authored by an Asian
Eric Heisserer Best Dramatic Presentation and co-authored by an Asian
Did you really think *I* wouldn't check?
Tell me, AmiMoJo, do you even believe your own SJW bullshit anymore, or are you just in too deep now to change sides?
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Moving the goalposts again. Now your requirement is an award for an individual work that had nothing to do with women at all... Because that's a rational standard to judge an award for creativity by.
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At this point I can only conclude that you're either a deep-cover troll or mentally ill. Either way--you be you, man.
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As I've written previously it would feel very weird to call someone "it" but I'll try anyway.
BTW don't be ashamed for being mentally ill, mental health problems are pretty common and people are more accepting these days.
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Only _real_men_ count: homosexual men living in segregated male communities count, isn't that obvious? All others are cucked feminine soyboys or so the Internet tells me.
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Re:Diversity (Score:4, Insightful)
That's only going to work if by "try harder" you mean "get gender reassignment surgery."
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Don't blame me. I sold all of my bump stocks the Monday after Mandalay Bay. But because of my age I insisted on keeping my bump bonds.
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Men just aren't interested in reading/writing.
I guess that all those famous books written over many centuries were just male pseudonyms of female writers.
Re:Diversity (Score:4, Insightful)
Yep, Issac Asimov, Fredrik Pohl, Phillip K. Dick, Arthur C. Clarke...all secretly had vaginas. Best kept secret in the industry.
It's hard to believe that AmiMoJo believes even a fraction of his own bullshit anymore. Looking at the Hugos, you would think that white men just up and decided to stop writing science fiction in the 21st century. Of course, we all know that's not what really happened.
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Jeez someone's sense of humour is broken. The moderation system needs an overhaul.
Re:Diversity (Score:5, Informative)
Don't worry, you can always go look at the nominees for the Dragon Awards [dragoncon.org] and find some actual decent Science Fiction. The "Hugh" awards are basically dead, more an indicator of what not to read now, at least if you're an SF fan, rather than a literary SJW.
Re:Diversity (Score:4, Interesting)
I dunno, they gave best comic to The Mighty Thor. You know, the one that made Thor a woman.
Seriously though, the Dragon Awards are kinda suspect. The first year the results matched the suggestions put forward by Vox Day, the guy who attacked the Hugo awards, perfectly. The voting system is easily rigged and the results seem more driven by opposition to the Hugo's than anything else.
Also, Fortnight, really?
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The Dragon Awards has more than 10 times as many voters as the "Hugh" awards ever had. FFS, Scalzi was nominated and ranked highly. You think that the vote was rigged to give him good results?
No, the Dragon Awards are open to ANYONE, rather than just the small number of WorldCon attendees and people that shared out a fistful of money. That makes it a popularity contest... and for good or for ill, that's what the results are.
As compared to the Most Woke contest that the Hugh awards have blatantly become.
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Well according to the Edda Thor was at least a cross dresser.
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Re: Diversity (Score:2, Funny)
Why not the Nebulas? Anything wrong with those?
My view of them is cloudy.
How diverse! (Score:2, Informative)
Funny how that turned out: Hugo award winners are almost exclusively women. Peak diversity achieved.
Re:How diverse! (Score:4, Funny)
Men who read science fiction are betas. Shut your pie hole and like it, she stated matter-of-factly.
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Are pie holes anything like doughnut holes? Because you could definitely find a lot of people who like doughnut holes.
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Yes, mistress.
Hugh Awards? (Score:4, Funny)
Hugh Jackman? Hugh Laurie? Hugh Grant?
Re:Hugh Awards? (Score:5, Funny)
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Hugh Jackman? Hugh Laurie? Hugh Grant?
Obviously, Hugh Mungus...
Broken Earth Trilogy (Score:4, Informative)
Well I will be honest, I enjoyed the first two volumes and have only recently started the concluding book that won this yearâ(TM)s award, though I expect it to be on the same high level.
I actually thought that fantasy was not for me, and only started these books due to the recommendation of a friend whose taste is aligned to me, and it was a discovery.
Volume 1 has superb alterning stoylines that come terrifically well together. It is fantasy but not traditional. I prefer not to spoil anything.
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Hugo awards tend to favor originality, which of course is important but it's not the only thing.
If you think about the rules and particular the window of eligibility, voting has to be dominated by people who read a lot of new stuff. The more you read, the more you value something that's a bit different.
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Wow (Score:1)
These are seem really shitty or at least not interesting at all to me (someone who does like scifi).
Yes, I did look them over from the links.
I guess these awards (even when spelled correctly) don't actually mean jack shit.
Wonder Woman? (Score:1)
WW beats out BR 2049? Clearly people have lost sight of what science fiction means. WW is not sci fi.
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The Hugos are science fiction and fantasy. I'm reasonably confident in my assertion that Wonder Woman is indeed fantasy.
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There is where you are wrong. Wonder Woman is clearly historical fiction, grounded in reality. It is neither science fiction nor fantasy, because everything in that movie is based well documented historical fact. Or are you calling Herodotus a liar?
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Wonder Woman is 1950's 'super hero' comix fantasy.
We've moved so far beyond that crap. But it sells tickets.
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Wonder Woman was/is soft bondage fantasy. Seriously, look up the creator. He loved him some golden lasso.
Read award-winners on line? (Score:2)
LOL diversity indeed (Score:5, Insightful)
So now they are only awarding women with the Hugh award, whatever it is?
They think that will somehow push readers to read their shitty fan fiction.
Instead the Hugh award will become irrelevant as people learn that it doesn't mean anything and the books are just as shit with that little label on it.
Re:LOL diversity indeed (Score:5, Insightful)
It's been that way since the SJW's took over the Hugos and most of the big publications (like Asimov's Science Fiction) years ago. It's a warning of what can happen if you let the SJW cancer get even a foothold in your hobby. White males need not apply.
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Sexist much?
Or do you really believe that? In which case I can only assume that upper management of large businesses is also a pure meritocracy, and women are just not doing well at it at present?
It would be easier to defend that position than yours... (and I dont agree with either FWIW)
I have no side here (Score:5, Insightful)
Nomination should never be based on race,skin, gender but on SF quality of writing skills and on story content quality mostly. If that means no white man or no non white women win, so be it. It isn't about gender/race author equality but all about SF quality. And while some Hugo were in the last year of high quality, many were so poor like that bot story that I wondered WHY the fuck they were nominated.
No it could be a misguided attempt at equality outcome as some pretend, or it could be there were no author worth nominating, or simply that the Hugo are being mismanaged. Whichever , Hugo are simply not a good indicator of SF in the last years.
An alternative explanation by the way is that "us" of the older generation expect some type of content, and the hugo is geared toward a newer generation expecting other type of content. If that's the case, in a few year/a decade SF is going to suck and blow ass.
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Hugo award is worthless (Score:5, Insightful)
The Hugo Award become irrelevant a few years ago when they chose to put virtue signaling above the quality of the stories.
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No, but I've read enough of the winning works in the past to know that the award has lost its influence on my reading habits. For example, Scalzi's "Redshirts" was mildly amusing, but was in no way deserving of best novel. It was, at best, good fan fiction.
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Yes, I did.
It was a little painful, however I felt it deserved that much since I strongly felt it was not chosen on merit. I have certainly read worse.
As fiction it is average - very politically correct in certain circles, very gaia-eco, a VERY thin wrapping of 'science' which seems mostly to be added after the fact where complains about previous books are 'fixed' in later ones.
As SCIENCE fiction it is very very weak, it does little outside 'we are in the future' 'I say this is so, so it is' and 'I am not c
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Hugo award organizers didn't change a single rule, what did they signal by doing fuck all except what they always did? Hugo award attendees could be said to have value signalled I guess, but having read a couple puppy submissions I think they valued not giving awards to crap.
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Zak's award seems more like pity. The director saved the movie, he can't write for shit and everything else he has done was either a flop or so-bad-it's-good.
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Oh Christ this. That N.K. Jemisin book reads like a high school junior English essay. It's absolutely awful.
Rewind to 2016: If Seveneves, or Ancillary Mercy could not beat that author in 2016 there is something right wrong.
I tried Hugo awards finalists for the final time in 2017.
- Becky Chambers, reads like a teenage diary.
- N.K. Jemisin still reads like a high school junior English essay.
- The Liu books are pure waffle.
WTF is wrong with these aware ceremonies?
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Don't know what's wrong but I'm impressed AI progressed so much even for ceremonies.
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makes me wonder how it even got on the nomination list.
No it doesn't. We all know full well why: the Hugo awards are nothing but a virtue signalling circlejerk.
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Hugo awards are nothing but a virtue signalling circlejerk
Speaking of circle jerks, it seems to have come full circle with you coming on slashdot to virtue signal about how much you despise virtue signalling.
Fap fap 2 pi
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Well done sir.
Hugo Award == Twitter Blue Checkmark (Score:1, Informative)
The Hugo winners from the 1950s until a few years ago when SJWs hijacked the award were a good way of expanding your reading list. There definitely were a number of duds and books that did not hold up over the years. But overall the winners were quite worth of the praise even if it reflected popular consensus.
With the rise of every reader now being able to voice their opinions to the entire science fiction reading world the relevance of awards is greatly diminished.
In 2018 a Hugo Award is little more than t
Re: Hugo Award == Twitter Blue Checkmark (Score:2, Insightful)
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The Hugos used to be pretty useful to pick out things I would like. Now they are a better indicator of things I won't. I purchase and read accordingly.
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...people for whom homoerotic tales of jacked up men in tights just doesn't cut it any more.
But... but... I LIKE to watch movies about gladiators!
Hugos Aren't What They Used To Be (Score:1)
The Hugo Awards are chosen not by the fans, but by the "Secret Masters of Fandom", and selected exclusively from left-wing sources. Larry Correia's "Sad Puppies" campaigns of the last few years has revealed this much, if nothing else.
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ROTFLMAO!!!
We rolled up our Hugo ballots and whacked Vox and all his puppies on their noses. They were a bunch of obnoxious idiots who didn't actually care about sf, or fandom.
I'd say you fit in that category, too.
compulsory wikipedia marker (Score:2)
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The Hugos up to the mid nineties were a pretty good indicator of quality. The fall in quality vastly accelerated around 2008ish. The final nail in the coffin was when a mediocre piece of fanfic won best novel in 2013.
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"[by whom]"
By those who want the award to be considered like that.
Stupid american politics is ruining everything (Score:3)
Fuck your SJWs and your alt rights and your stupid opinions which reduce any meaningful discussion into a stupid partisan argument.
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Please consider this a virtual Insightful++.
to explore brave new worlds, but uh...whites only (Score:2, Insightful)
New experiences and perspectives are what the genre's all about, so it's really depressing to see how resistant a lot of avowed sci-fi fans are to experience some difference in the actual human perspective behind the fiction.
Jemisin's books are good. They weren't entirely my cup of tea in some ways but not every book has to be exactly for me. I recognize that they were creative, well-written, and explored interesting concepts from angles I hadn't thought of before. Worthy of a Hugo for sure.
The three-in-a-r
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Don't you just adore idiots who want to read about aliens... but can't get past heroes who aren't wASPs, or stories written by folks who aren't libertarian idiots (but I repeat myself) who are WASPs.
Actually, I should ask Eric (that's ESR, to them, and a very old aquaintance) his opinion of the winners.....