Survey Finds 85% of Underserved Students Have Access To Only One Digital Device (educationdive.com) 216
A new research [PDF] on students who took the ACT test, conducted by the ACT Center for Equity in Learning, found that 85% of underserved (meaning low income, minority, or first generation in college) students had access to only one device at home, most often a smartphone. From a blog post: American Indian/Alaskan, Hispanic/Latino, and African American students had the least access. White and Asian students had the most. Nearly a quarter of students who reported that family income was less that $36,000 a year had access to only a single device at home, a 19% gap compared to students whose family income was more than $100,000.
Only one device? (Score:2, Insightful)
Sounds like first world problems, mate.
Re:Only one device? (Score:5, Interesting)
Comcast will sell you 15Mb Internet for $10/mth and a brand new computer for $150.
https://www.internetessentials... [internetessentials.com]
The US is littered with used computers. Just ask around and you will find some spare ones and can avoid the $150.
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The US is littered with used computers. Just ask around and you will find some spare ones and can avoid the $150.
Another good option: FreeGeek [freegeek.org] in Portland (and on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] if you want to see some of the other locations).
Re:Only one device? (Score:5, Informative)
The US is littered with used computers. Just ask around and you will find some spare ones and can avoid the $150.
Yep. I recently took about 50 computers and enough parts to build 50 more to the scrap yard. They pay $2 per pound for disassembled computers and 5 cents per pound for fully assembled computers. I took several dozen apart and made $100 and then sold the rest for the 5 cents because it wasn't worth my time to disassemble them. I regularly see computers on the curb on trash day and you have to PAY to dispose of CRTs. I disposed of several 19 inch and 21 inch CRTs that likely have much better picture quality and refresh rates than most of the cheap LCDs they currently sell. Nobody wants them.
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I don't know if they are still taking them but I turned in a couple large CRT monitors at Best Buy a few years back. So far as I've seen they'll take most all electronics waste. In fact I've got an old PC tower in the trunk of my car waiting for the next time I'm in the part of town.
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"Sounds like first world problems, mate."
No, it means they can't probably type and have very good eyes.
Re: Only one device? (Score:3)
In the educational context(which appears to be where this research was being done), things aren't going to go so well for you if you've got a household with contention over the computer and a bunch of homework that assumes you have one.
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Ah, so you are a racist and proud of it, then? And can't spell?
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Not a racist, just a troll. Please don't encourage them by replying.
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You could have made good points, but after using a fairly offensive word in first sentence you lost me.
Are you sure... (Score:4, Insightful)
...they're not just trendy?
A lot of under-25 people I know only have a smartphone. No desktop, no laptop, not even a TV set.
Just a phone - with access to the entire Internet.
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Are you implying that having access to just one device makes you so stupid that you don't know what a computer is?
I know these people are underserved but calling them as stupid by comparing them to the Apple advert is just plain mean.
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By what definition of the word are smartphones and tablets not computers? Yes, they are different from desktop and laptop computers, as laptops are different from desktop and tablets/smartphones, but they still very much are mobile handheld computers.
I guess you didn't think of PDA's as computers either.
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In terms of productivity, a keyboard is a minimum requirement. It's also very hard to develop for a phone with a phone, much less the ability to change anything meaningful about the operation of the device. Architecturally there's little difference between a smartphone and a desktop, behaviorally there's a vast difference.
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A so called "smart" phone or tablet can NEVER EVER replace a computer!
They cannot in any way come close to the capabilities of a desktop or laptop computer!
I would much rather have a modern LTE Ipad than any 486/modem combination of the 90s. There is pretty much nothing you could do on a dialup 486 that you can't do better with a modern Ipad. The exception might be secretarial or accountant work where you have to do a lot of typing but even then I would rather hook up a physical keyboard to an Ipad than deal with all the other limitations of a 486.
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I'd never be 100% sure anytime someone makes generalizations. But I don't think that's it.
There *is* a trend to simply using devices as terminals to get at your cloud based data. It doesn't really matter for a lot of those people if they *own* the terminal or not.
But note carefully here the language: they have *access* to only one device at home. That means that it's almost certainly shared with other household members. And if it's a smartphone, chances are there a some pretty serious caps on the amount
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My family was 'rich'. We had 1 computer that did not have the internet. I think we did OK.
The internet is great for looking things up. But it is not the end all be all of education. That takes time and perseverance. Always has. Just giving someone a computer does not make them smart.
Re:Are you sure... (Score:5, Insightful)
Times have changed, but people are still people. You can become a top tier scientist without growing up with computers or modern phones. Probably better without, as the 'smart' phones tend to make people dumb.
Start with solid education FIRST. Learn to do arithmetic without a calculator, learn to do research without Google, learn to read a book without swiping, and draw a picture without a mouse.
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learn to do research without Google
Did you mean DuckDuckGo or Bing? Because public library branches aren't open today.
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Last I checked they were. If you have to use the internet to do research, then you're screwed because they it doesn't have all the stuff you need, especially at college level or higher.
Re:Are you sure... (Score:4, Informative)
If you have to use the internet to do research, then you're screwed because they it doesn't have all the stuff you need, especially at college level or higher.
At college level the internet usually has access to the widest variety of scientific papers compared to any other level.
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And it's all behind paywalls.
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Fort Wayne, Indiana. Most branches of Allen County Public Library [acpl.info] are closed Sundays. From late May to early September, all branches are closed Sundays, and most are closed Saturdays as well.
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Why the hell would they be open on Sunday during the summer? When school is not in session. Who would go to the library on Sunday other than homeless bums? Red states maintain fiscal solvency by making smart use of public funds; cutting out frivolous bullshit that Blue states love to piss away money on.
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learn to do research without Google
Did you mean DuckDuckGo or Bing? Because public library branches aren't open today.
Not only are most libraries open extended hours 7 days a week, they also have free computers with free internet access. My town has multiple book mobiles that drive around to different neighborhoods so you don't even have to go to them. You can also check out hotspots and I think even laptops.
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Yep & they are all taken most of the time.
The hotspots have a waiting list but there are always plenty of computers open every time I go to the library. I'm not sure I've ever seen them all full.
Re: Are you sure... (Score:5, Informative)
Start with solid education FIRST. Learn to do arithmetic without a calculator, learn to do research without Google, learn to read a book without swiping
Agreed, that's very important. Like, for example, if the author of this idiotic article had learned proper arithmetic she would know that "85% of those with only one device were underserved" is not the same thing as "85% of the underserved have only one device".
Either that or if she had developed decent reading skills she would have looked at page 5 of the paper and seen there, in clear English, the words "Overall, just under one in five (19%) students from 'underserved' backgrounds report having access to only one device at homeâ"more than three times higher than the percent of students not qualifying as underserved who reported this"
Unfortunately she never developed such basic skills, and thus ended up having to work as a "reporter".
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Unfortunately she never developed such basic skills, and thus ended up having to work as a "reporter"./quote. You have it backwards, her failure to use such basic skills is what qualified her to be a reporter. She may actually have the skills in question, but she knows that her job depends on not using them.
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Sigh. Do you really think these underserved kids are going to get a solid education that negates the need for internet access? Maybe they have a first rate library just down the road too.
The internet was supposed to make education more accessible. It does, but the cost of internet access is still relatively high. A little phone screen isn't ideal, and remember this is "access", meaning it could be shared between everyone in the household.
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Start with solid education FIRST. Learn to do arithmetic without a calculator, learn to do research without Google, learn to read a book without swiping, and draw a picture without a mouse.
Do you know how to write with a quill?
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What if the family only has one person? Or one person and a toddler (who should not have devices).
Yah well (Score:2)
when I was poor in 1997 I was stuck with a Pentium 75 and 32 MB of RAM while my rich friends had a P133 and 128MB ! of RAM.
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In 1997, I only had 8MB of RAM. But I did have a Pentium 100.
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In '97 I bought a new Pentium MMX 200Mhz (with 32MB or RAM, 3.6GB HD and a Voodoo Rush video card) with my summer job money.
It was so sweet after our family Pentium 75Mhz/16MB/750MB/Matrox Millenium.
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Why is that even a problem (Score:2)
Is the solution to give those people even more digital devices?
Or is the solution to figure out how to make that one device many of them do have, able to do everything important.
If you think about it, there's no reason you cannot learn anything you want with just a phone. Even programming I feel like could be learned on a phone to a high level.
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I suspect that this a problem that's already being solved.
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Even programming I feel like could be learned on a phone to a high level.
I'd be interested to see how you solve the problems of 1. adapting an IDE to a 5 inch touch screen and 2. getting it approved by Apple, as the money you make from selling an iPhone used might not necessarily cover the purchase price of a comparable phone that runs free software.
You can already program on an iPhone (Score:2)
I'd be interested to see how you solve the problems of 1. adapting an IDE to a 5 inch touch screen and 2. getting it approved by Apple
I don't see any issues at all with re-building something like Xcode to work on a very small screen. Much of what I do in Xcode is still typing code, and Swift Playgrounds on the iPad shows you can absolutely re-work the keyboard to make that very practical. Even using IB could almost just as well be done on a small screen as I zoom in and out of UI layout a lot anyway, and
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I'm interested to see how one might adapt an iPad programming application like Pythonista or Swift Playgrounds to iPhone. Does Apple allow applications that are impractical to use without an external keyboard?
Pythonista already on the iPhone (Score:2)
I don't even think that it would be impractical to use without an external keyboard. Just look at screenshots from the iPhone version of Pythonista [apple.com] - that includes shots of editing code with the keyboard up, a UI editor, and showing graphical apps running. The fundamentals are all in place showing how you could use the same approach for any language, or system, and build working apps. Now the iPad simulator might be a might tiny on the iPhone but drawing apps have figured out lots of approaches to stuff
Re: Why is that even a problem (Score:2)
If you're too poor to afford more than one iPhone, but you bought an iPhone, you're an idiot. Could have gotten 3 decent android devices for the same price. Or one decent android device and a Chromebook. Then you wouldn't have to worry about programming on a 5 inch screen.
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But you have to pay it all up front for a chromebook. You can get an iPhone for $45/month for 18 months.
Re: Why is that even a problem (Score:3)
Or you could go without for 3 months, save that $45 each month, and buy a secondhand android device for $135. Then for the next 15 months save your $45 each month, and have $675 to buy a laptop.
Unfortunately budgeting and self-control seem to be rare skills indeed.
Invalid Metaphor (Score:2)
And you can cut a lawn with a pair of scissors.
At this point programming on the IPhone is way more like using a push mover vs. a powered mower. Yeah it's not as easy, but again we are talking about learning to program here - not churn out code 24x7 for some corporate master. Honestly for years now many iOS developers have been chomping at the bit for Apple to bring Xcode to the iPad, I feel like it could be more interactive developing in that way. Swift helps by going from the worlds second most verbose
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To get the iOS dev kit, it's $99/year, the SDK runs only on iMac hardware, and you can only load the resulting software on phones you own unless you get approval to load it on the app store. It's totally ridiculous and crippled even compared to a cheap single-board computer running debian.
WHOOSH (Score:2)
To get the iOS dev kit
But that's my point, we are not talking about needing the whole iOS dev kit. We are talking about kids learning to code, they don't need the whole dev kit. They need some way to write and run programs, full stop. That need is taken care of by a number of apps that already exist.
That said I think eventually we will see the whole iOS dev kit on IOS. But even without it today, kids can absolutely learn to code on nothing but a smart phone.
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The apps like Scratch with visual blocks, animations and hand holding, will introduce basic concepts, but it doesn't let you affect anything outside the app, which is boring at a certain point. And we're not taking kids, we're talking students, which could be 16,17,18 and potentially quite capable of going beyond the basics.
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Even programming I feel like could be learned on a phone to a high level.
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And you can cut a lawn with a pair of scissors.
Let us know how it works out for you, you goddamned imbecile.
The only reason I own an Ipad is because there were several "teach your kids programming" apps that were only available on an Ipad. In order to gets kids interested in programming you need an environment with a relatively quick feedback loop. Things like scratch, mindstorm, coding apps, and javascript probably are the best at immediate feedback. All that (with the possible exception of scratch) is available on the Ipad.
"Underserved?" (Score:4, Insightful)
underserved (meaning low income, minority, or first generation in college)
So ... being a minority, by definition, means you are underserved? Being the first person in your family to go to college means you are being underserved?
This sort of "words no longer mean anything" crap has completely swamped the entire educational establishment.
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Also never note the fact that Asian and Indian Americans have higher household earnings than whites.
Got to keep that narrative going.
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So ... being a minority, by definition, means you are underserved? Being the first person in your family to go to college means you are being underserved?
I get where you are coming from. However, the fact remains that there is a fairly strong correlation between parental educational attainment and offspring educational attainment. Both parents went to college, kids will almost definitely go to college. One parent went to college, still better than even chance that the kids will go to college. Neither parent went to college, then the chances of a kid going to college drop off a cliff.
This is likely for two reasons: 1) parents who did not go to college are
Re: "Underserved?" (Score:2)
Both parents went to college, kids will almost definitely go to college. One parent went to college, still better than even chance that the kids will go to college. Neither parent went to college, then the chances of a kid going to college drop off a cliff.
This narrative keeps being repeated, but it seems to be obvious nonsense. At one point in history almost nobody went to college. Additionally, educational achievement is negatively correlated with number of offsprings (ie. the less schooling you have, the more children you will have on average). If your argument were correct, the number of people with university educations should have decreased over time or at best stayed stagnant. Instead, the percentage of the population with university degrees has mo
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> I get where you are coming from. However, the fact remains that there is a fairly strong correlation between parental educational
Among my personal acquaintances are a college president, a real estate investor, a computing pioneer that sent his kids to ivy league schools, and a 3rd generation college graduate.
The idea that "minority" means "ghetto" is racist nonsense.
US History (Score:5, Insightful)
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1. Graduate High School. (not college, just high school)
2. Stay out of prison. (don't commit felonies)
3. Don't have a child out of wedlock (use a rubber or learn to like blowjobs)
Sorry, but correlation is not cause. All three of those are highly correlated to IQ (at least in the USA).
All that correlates to health, family support levels, and numerous other factors.
Those three are good advice, but will not make you smarter.
If a person is destined to fail those criteria, and you
- pay them to finish school
- give them a good lawyer and support to stay out of prison
- give them a contraceptive implant.
there is no evidence you will change their long-term outcome.
And that sort of thing has
Re:US History (Score:4, Insightful)
Kid, you have spent too much time reading Ayn Rand. As you get older, if you're smart and open to ideas, you'll learn that it ain't as simple as you describe.
There are a LOT of other factors that go into whether or not a person is successful in the US other than the few you describe.
I won't call you a "fucking LIAR", but I will call you ignorant. Luckily, that IS something you can remedy on your own. Best of luck, snowflake.
How about these this study from the Brookings institute
https://www.brookings.edu/opin... [brookings.edu]
Or this one, from Britain
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne... [telegraph.co.uk]
It's not a guarantee of success, any more than using condoms guarantees no pregnancies or STD's.
But you wouldn't argue against condom use just because sometimes people who use them still create babies.
Is there really anything in the advice given that you would argue against? I've given my kids more or less the same advice. Their future is an open book filled with promise, as long as they don't do anything fatally stupid like creating a baby, getting a record, dropping out of high school, getting drug addicted, etc. Do you advise your kids otherwise?
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But, it's not that simple... Saying, "don't have kids at a young age" is helpful, sure, but it's only helpful if the person you're telling it to has the education to know what it takes to get pregnant, access to contraceptives, or even the cultural norms to prevent it. Saying "don't drop out of high school" is really great if your kids can afford *not* to drop out of high school. Poor kids may NEED to work for money (to eat) when other kids are going to high school. They may be going to a school where it's physically dangerous to attend. They may not have effective teachers. Maybe they have no way to get to school.
So yes, telling kids these things is all great, but there are a LOT of other factors the influence how and why people make decisions that they do, and more than that, but what happens to people even outside of their decisions. Your children are obviously privileged that they're growing up in a nurturing, supportive environment, where they have the luxury of making good decisions. That's great. But for so many other people, that's not realistic or practical.
My wife came from a housing project in the south Bronx. The people who live there have no end of problems but they still know what they have to do to succeed. Her brother went to Catholic school "because he needed the discipline", she went to public school.
He had his first kid at 19, went to jail for drugs the first time at 21, has been struggling ever since (while having 3 more kids with 3 different women).
She studied and got out.
If you asked him he would tell you flat out how his bad choices messed up h
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> Kid, you have spent too much time reading Ayn Rand.
It could also be a matter of personal first hand experience. A couple of my own cousins are welfare mothers. Those of us that avoided that pattern have done decently for ourselves. Some of us have even done VERY well.
Liberals these days just want an excuse to hand more and more power to the government. In order to do that, they have to destroy the idea of the individual. Upward mobility must become a myth. Personal responsibility must be a taboo idea.
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So ... being a minority, by definition, means you are underserved?
In America, statistically yes definitely.
Being the first person in your family to go to college means you are being underserved?
Definitely. Not having direct experience of your own parents to drawn on is a hindrance. In fact if you're the first generation in your family to go to college statistically you're poorer than your fellow students and less likely to be in a good college.
Re: "Underserved?" (Score:3)
In America, statistically yes definitely.
That's not how statistics work. Unless you're suggesting that 100% of minorities in America are undeserved. In which case you're an idiot and probably don't know any minorities.
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Unless you're suggesting that 100% of minorities in America are undeserved.
A wise man once said: "That's not how statistics work." I suggest you listen to him when crafting your response.
Or are you suggesting that as a minority you're not statistically likely to be underserved? Do you live in Boston by any chance? I mean they are the most racist up there.
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You're racist if you think that statistically minorities are not underserved.
Or an idiot yourself. It's so hard to tell with stupid people on the internet.
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The paper makes it clear that they are using those factors because their other research and work has found that they are good indicators and correlate closely.
This is common practice because otherwise it's hard to categorise large numbers of students without doing expensive, time consuming investigations. It's a proven and valid technique used in other sciences too, such as medicine and mechanical engineering.
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So ... being a minority, by definition, means you are underserved?
No "minority" here does not mean all minorities. It is a PC euphemism for the races with low academic achievement in the US.
More intelligent minorities such as Chinese, South Asian immigrants or Jews are explicitly excluded.
This sort of "words no longer mean anything" crap has completely swamped the entire educational establishment.
Better to make up a new nonsense word like "underserved", than to pervert an old one like "minority" which had a useful meaning once.
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So, you wan't your nlggers to behave nice and stop complaining about cops targeting and killing unarmed blac... I mean nlggers. Like the good nlggers they should be, right?
Re: "Underserved?" (Score:2)
Can't comment for him, but yes, I would like to see nlggers and cr4ckers both behave rationally. Wouldn't you?
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> Well, think of it like this. Imagine that your ancestors were slaves in the USA. You are the descendant of slaves.
If you want to fixate on ancient history that isn't really relevant to any body in the here and now, we were all slaves in the past. No particular race or ethnic group is a special snowflake in this regard.
Really? (Score:2)
Growing up, the men who built the bomb had access to zero digital devices. They were SOOO disadvantaged! It is amazing they could even match their socks. As kids, they must have all thought, "I can't learn anything. I don't have the iPad XXX."
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The simple fact is that if you don't have a laptop or at least an iPad or something, you're at a serious disadvantage. Doing research on a phone is possible, yes, but it's a gigantic pain in the ass. Yes, you can write a paper on your smartphone, but it'll be frustrating and take longer. It's a shame that some people's attainment will be hobbled not by their motivat
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Huh, I didn't have an iPad or any tablet until this year. I was not disadvantaged. I do not have my own laptop, I have one for work that I keep at work. Laptops used to be a luxury device as they could cost 2 to 4 times more than a comparable desktop. You can achieve any job you want to without access to this stuff as a child. Sure, it's nice to have these things, but they are not necessities. I think parents would do better by limiting their children's access to 'smart' devices.
Yes, it's great if you
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I grew up without a computer. In college, computers were mostly for word processing. Spell check ensured that, to this day, I have never learned to spell. After college, I learned to code. I read a lot of books such as Scott Meyers, Aho, Abelson and Sussman, etc. Programmed in NYC at major banks. After a very rough first year, I was good to go. You can learn things such as linear algebra, group theory, context-free grammars, etc. without ever looking at a computer.
There is ZERO need to have a digital
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If you wait until college to learn to spell, that's a lot to take in with your other coursework and all.
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Yeah, von Neumann totally didn't have access to computers.
Title is wrong, should be 19% (Score:5, Informative)
Of the students who have access to only one computing device, 85% are "underserved", 15% are not. That's where the 85% figure comes from. I'd cut and paste the relevant quotes, but the PDF has the stupid no-copy flag.
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What PDF reader are you using that enforces the no copy flag? I've got The official Adobe one on Android and can copy the text.
"Looked at conversely, 85% of the students who had access to only one
device were classified as underserved. These data, of course, might also suggest that students whose families are wealthier or whose parents are more highly educated tend to have access to a higher number of devices."
"underserved" (Score:2)
From what I can remember of my college years, I didn't have any digital devices, but I was overserved on many occasions.
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From what I can remember of my college years, I didn't have any digital devices, but I was overserved on many occasions
For us, overserved was when you had three cups of noodles to throw together in a pot for a single meal. :D
Those were always great days to look forward to
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I may be a bit older than you When I started college, the only instant noodle you could buy in the US was Cup-o-Noodle, and you wouldn't find them in most stores yet. I don't remember seeing them regularly until I was in grad school, when they became a staple of my diet.
And even more don't have PROTECTIVE GLOVES (Score:2)
Imagine that, the horror, poor students!
NO. Guess what, they don't have because they don't need and don't want. Either a computer or protective gloves or a carpet with a unicorn. But not because you're so poor that you can't afford it, not in the USA. Having a place to stay, paying the bills, yea, that can be tricky. A computer you can get for free (sometimes directly from the trash) or for very, very cheap.
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Many grade schools and high schools are now assigning homework via website, with papers uploaded rather than handwritten or typed out. A decent computer with enough screen size to see the whole page can make a real difference to composing longer text: I've helped several students in the last year turn their monitors to make the long dimension vertical, but that's impossible to do with just a laptop and no separate keyboard or monitor.
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We are getting bogged down in details. Now it's the poor students that only have a wide-screen laptop and not enough vertical resolution (note that this can be even a brand new Macbook Air STARTING from $999, with a resolution that was pathetic for a good phone from 3 generations ago). What I'm trying to say is that while they might be lacking enough vertical resolution or a certain type of video output or by now probably many are missing the capability to read CD/DVDs and some don't have any place to plug
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Price of Home (Score:2)
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Maybe the parents of a failing student could get some friends to make $1M offers for their house. Ooh! This is even better...
They could get their neighbours to pair up and each offer the other $10M for their homes. THAT would get those grades up!
The past vs having a networked computer (Score:2)
A typewriter.
People had at walk to a library at set times. Find books and read from them in their own time. Take their own written notes.
People got accepted on the G.I. Bill and had to study within that system of support.
They studied a lot and where thankful just to be able to get an opportunity learn.
Todays generation have one device? A modern OS on a networked laptop.
That can format a document. Has spelling and full internet support. Can allow the student to work with oth
Having one is NOT underserved (Score:2)
The majority of people have only one sexual partner. The majority of people have only one home. The majority of people have only one car.
None of these people are "underserved". If you have only one of something that often means that one item is a really GOOD item and fulfills all of that particular need.
The idea that 'one is not enough' is simply an artifact of the keeping up with the jones/greed.
A smartphone will do a lot (Score:3)
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People that have NEVER worked, NEVER been educated, continuing the cycle!
They gave those people substandard education and gee, they made a bunch more people. How shocking.