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Scientists Find 'Super-Earth' In Star System From 'Star Trek' (vice.com) 114

In a wonderful example of truth validating fiction, the star system imagined as the location of Vulcan, Spock's home world in Star Trek, has a planet orbiting it in real life. From a report: A team of scientists spotted the exoplanet, which is about twice the size of Earth, as part of the Dharma Planet Survey (DPS), led by University of Florida astronomer Jian Ge. It orbits HD 26965, more popularly known as 40 Eridani, a triple star system 16 light years away from the Sun. Made up of a Sun-scale orange dwarf (Eridani A), a white dwarf (Eridani B), and a red dwarf (Eridani C), this system was selected to be "Vulcan's Sun" after Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry consulted with astronomers Sallie Baliunas, Robert Donahue, and George Nassiopoulos about the best location for the fictional planet.

"An intelligent civilization could have evolved over the aeons on a planet circling 40 Eridani," Roddenberry and the astronomers suggested in a 1991 letter to the editor published in Sky & Telescope. The three stars "would gleam brilliantly in the Vulcan sky," they added. The real-life exoplanet, known as HD 26965b, is especially tantalizing because it orbits just within the habitable zone of its star, meaning that it is theoretically possible that liquid water -- the key ingredient for life as we know it -- could exist on its surface.

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Scientists Find 'Super-Earth' In Star System From 'Star Trek'

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  • Except isn't this one a cold dead planet? Also it has like 8X the mass of Earth and 2X as big. How would gravity be there?

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      8 times mass = 8 times gravity

      2 times radius = 1/4 times gravity

      product = 2 times gravity

      • Which would make is residents rather strong compared to us. (or more likely much smaller as a fall from a humanoid frame with 2x gravity has a higher chance of breaking bones)

        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          You mean like how a Vulcan is supposed to be three times stronger than a human?

          Also, I say name the planet "Nimoy".

        • Slightly ameliorated if Vulcan's core is not iron/nickel. Earth's core contributes to its average mass of 5.5 g/cc. Mars has an average density of 3.9 g/cc, the Moon of 3.3 g/cc. (The density of Mercury and Venus is more like that of Earch.) There are questions about what the surface geology would be like on a planet with a core unlike Earth's: maybe no plate tectonics, no mineable concentrations of metals. The latter would presumably have an effect on the course of civilization of a hypothetical intelli

    • It's on the hot side of the habitable zone, and if my understanding is correct, the higher gravity is likely to mean it has a large atmosphere and quite a greenhouse effect. I'm going to guess this one to be a super-Venus.

      • Well, IIRC, Vulcan was supposed to be a higher gravity and hotter, almost desert planet. But with a thinner atmosphere. If memory serves, that is the canon explanation for the greater strength and endurance of Vulcan physiology. That's also why Kirk needed a shot to help him compete physically with Spock in Amok Time. (Although McCoy cleverly gave Kirk a mickey finn shot to fake Kirks death, allowing Spock to win.)
      • Venus is smaller then earth, and has a lower gravity.

        • YOU! Stop with the facts! We have xeno-climatology to do, and figure out how to blame aliens driving SUVs for the high temperatures!
    • It would be greater than Earth. That's why Vulcans are stronger than humans.

    • I'd be more concerned about the white dwarf, the planet would need a hell of a magnetic field for the atmosphere to survive the nova that created that white dwarf.

      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        White dwarfs are not (usually) created by novas, they're just the end point of most stars, excepting the really massive, when they run out of fuel and collapse. There would have been a red giant phase probably which may not have been healthy to be around. Really depends on the mass of the star and since I didn't read the article...

    • by mark-t ( 151149 )
      Gravity is proportional to mass (which itself is proportional to the radius cubed), and inversely proportional to the square of the radius, so assuming otherwise identical composition, gravitational pull at the surface increases roughly linearly with the diameter of the planet.
    • Re:Vulcan eh (Score:4, Informative)

      by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Thursday September 20, 2018 @04:06PM (#57350582)

      Except isn't this one a cold dead planet? Also it has like 8X the mass of Earth and 2X as big. How would gravity be there?

      It would be illogical to believe that a planet with 2X the gravity of earth could not sustain life.

      • Life as we know it, Jim.

      • Also it has like 8X the mass of Earth and 2X as big. How would gravity be there?

        "The planet is roughly twice the size of Earth". I've looked and looked, and CAN'T find anyone estimating the gravity of the planet. I presume they don't know.

        My knee-jerk reaction was "twice the gravity" as well, but I think it's going to be 4x the gravity, because of radius and size and all. (inverse-square law.) In any case, here's an article about launching rockets from larger, heavier planets. Link, [stackexchange.com] pretty link. [space.com] It's not a happy story. At 10.4g, rocket mass is one fifth of the mass of the planet

        • Roughly calculating the gravity of an object shouldn't be that difficult. It's not rocket science...
  • by Koreantoast ( 527520 ) on Thursday September 20, 2018 @03:46PM (#57350432)
    Fascinating.
  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Thursday September 20, 2018 @03:48PM (#57350450)

    When it comes to determining whether a planet has "life as we know it", there is exactly one molecule that MUST be present that is ONLY present as far as we know on Earth. We only found it here and it is absolutely mandatory to exist for life, at least for life as we know it.

    Chlorophyll.

    It's pretty much the only (ok, you nitpickers, there are two forms of it, but either would do, and both have only been found here, so shush) molecule that's capable of generating energy out of sunlight, and any kind of life that goes beyond single celled organisms depends directly or indirectly on being able to generate power from photosynthesis.

    • by rahvin112 ( 446269 ) on Thursday September 20, 2018 @04:04PM (#57350562)

      Absolutely inaccurate.

      We know so little about the kingdoms Bacteria and Archaea that rely on non photosynthetic processes that you cannot logically make that statement.

      • Great, and once you find multicellular organisms that exist without photosynthesis coming into play, we'll talk.

        • As noted by the AC there are millions of such colonies where non-photosynthetic life is fed by Archaea thermophiles up to an including multi-cellular animal life that survive by feeding on the archaea processing sulfur that we already know about and study.

          You should look into this a little more rather than relying on your ill-informed assumption that photo-synthesis is required for life as that hasn't been accepted theory for more than 20 years. The Bacteria and Archaea domains are almost entirely unstudied

    • by olsmeister ( 1488789 ) on Thursday September 20, 2018 @04:13PM (#57350640)
      There are all kinds of communities of organisms around geothermal vents in the deep ocean that do not rely on chlorophyll.
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      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday September 20, 2018 @04:18PM (#57350668)
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      • Oxygen in an atmosphere can also mean that what's available to be oxidized is already in a more stable configuration, or would require a higher activation energy than is available, i.e. pressure or temperature too low to start the reaction or something else inhibiting it.

      • Isn't it possible, under certain circumstances, to get large amounts of oxygen through photodissociation of water vapor in upper layers of planetary atmospheres? Obviously some conditions have to be "just right", for example gravity has to be high enough to keep the oxygen but low enough to let hydrogen escape reasonably quickly given the mean velocities of both species. And since oxygen might combine with elements in planetary crust, there needs to be a steady state established before oxygen starts accumul
      • And it was a toxic waste product that changed the climate and genocided most of the life on the planet. Never forget this.
    • by meglon ( 1001833 )

      .... and any kind of life that goes beyond single celled organisms depends directly or indirectly on being able to generate power from photosynthesis.

      No. Just no.

      You also seem to be placing a lot of emphasis on "it's only found here," when "here" is pretty much the only place we've really looked.

      • Actually, we've been looking in other places. Chlorophyll is pretty easy to find, if it's present.

        • by meglon ( 1001833 )
          Really? Where are these other places we've been looking for chlorophyll? Hell, where are the other places we've actually been to look for any organic molecules? A few spots on Mars... a couple spots on the moon... and where else in this unfathomably large universe? And then, assuming we find organic material, how again are we going to tell what it is? Are we packing a full IR in every probe.... an NMR... mass spec... gas chromo.? Knowing we've found organics is one thing, knowing what a complex organic
  • What, you didn't realize they were still warlike?

  • Great. At the speed of our currently fastest vehicle (Parker Solar Probe is supposed to get close to 700,000 km/h as it falls into the solar well), it would only take 25,000 years to get there. Don't miss out! Book now!
    • Douglas Adams (THGTTG):
      Space (It says) is big. I mean really big! You wont believe how mind boggling big it is. You might thing is is a long way to your chemist, but that is just peanuts compared to space. Listen!

    • The Alpha Centuari space probe [dailymail.co.uk] in 2069 will reach 10% of light speed for a 44 year journey. A trip to Vulcan would take a 176 years using the same technology.
      • by guygo ( 894298 )
        Excuse me, that is what they SAY they want it to do. The technology to make that happen is complete vaporware. If we wish to compare real-world, acheivable speeds with those that someone at NASA says they want to get to, why not just bring in FTL and beam up? The original import of my post is that under any technology that we currently see as attainable, it will not be practical to attempt going there.
        • The technology to make that happen is complete vaporware.

          So was the technology for landing a man on the moon 60 years ago (ten years before Apollo 11). Former astronaut Dr. Mae Jeminson, who had a cameo on ST:TNG, advocates designing a starship in 100 years [100yss.org] to leave the solar system because the technology for that doesn't exist and would be more transformative than the technology that came out of the Apollo program.

  • Andoria should be nearby to Vulcan. Time to order a case of Andorian ale [wikia.com].
  • by Drunkulus ( 920976 ) on Thursday September 20, 2018 @04:53PM (#57350842)
    Japanese billionaire Yusaka Maezawa has requested a change of destination.
  • I am surprised that a planet around a triple star would have an orbit stable enough to last long enough for the "aeons" needed for life to evolve, unless so far out that the radius of its orbit was some orders of magnitude more than the maximum distance between the stars, in which case it might be too cold for life. Is that the case here?

    In fact, unless the three stars form a spinning equilateral triangle, one of the stars must be much further away than the other two are from each other for the system to b

  • What year were we supposed to make first contact? Should we send this Vulcan-ish planet some sort of signal to let them know we're ready (though are lagging on our warp drive tech)?
  • In a wonderful example of truth validating fiction, the star system imagined as the location of Vulcan, Spock’s home world in Star Trek, has a planet orbiting it in real life.

    And yet....Vulcan's copper based blood was....green? I'm thinking this star having a planet is more of an educated guess panning out than any miracle validation.

  • Shit, next we're going to find out that the planet is only inhabited by smoke monsters.

  • by FeelGood314 ( 2516288 ) on Thursday September 20, 2018 @10:22PM (#57352118)
    An energy gradient and a way to store information. On earth the energy gradients are created by thermal vents and the sun. Storage of information is RNA and DNA.
  • .... this to be prophetic. Now we must work on that warp capable drive. Live long and prosper. \/

  • by idji ( 984038 )
    Was Star Trek so parochial and small minded that the next humanoid race was only 16 light years away???? In the Star Trek Universe is every Goldilocks world "habited"?
    • by WallyL ( 4154209 )

      Was Star Trek so parochial and small minded that the next humanoid race was only 16 light years away???? In the Star Trek Universe is every Goldilocks world "habited"?

      Yes, many, many class M planets (originally a designation in the Vulcan lanugage) are filled with life. The Star Trek universe is filled with life similar enough to humans to make great stories, and life different enough to make fantastic stories. Some scifi universes had only humans (as the intelligent lifeforms), so the conflict was all internal to the human condition. In the Star Trek world, we see intra-human conflict as well as inter-species conflicts.

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