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FDA Seeks Ban On Menthol Cigarettes To Fight Teen Smoking (npr.org) 234

The Food and Drug Administration announced Thursday that it will seek a ban on the sale of menthol-flavored cigarettes. From a report: The announcement came as the agency officially released a detailed plan to also restrict the sale of flavored electronic cigarettes. It also wants to ban flavored cigars. In a statement, FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb says the moves are aimed at fighting smoking among young people. Flavored e-cigarettes, menthol-flavored tobacco cigarettes and flavored cigars are all popular among teenagers. "Today, I'm pursuing actions aimed at addressing the disturbing trend of youth nicotine use and continuing to advance the historic declines we've achieved in recent years in the rates of combustible cigarette use among kids," Gottlieb says.

While cigarette smoking has hit a record low in the United States, vaping has been skyrocketing. That trend has raised concerns that a new generation of young people will become addicted to nicotine. Gottlieb says the moves were prompted by new data showing a 78 percent increase in e-cigarette use among high school students and a 48 percent increase among middle school students, from 2017 to 2018. "These data shock my conscience," Gottlieb says.

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FDA Seeks Ban On Menthol Cigarettes To Fight Teen Smoking

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  • Ferguson, round 2.

    • Hahahahahahaaa....
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by cayenne8 ( 626475 )
      Yeah....I've actually been waiting for someone to throw the 'racist' card down on this new ban.

      In my experience, the predominant menthol smokers I've ever known, and observed over my many years, were blacks.

      I'm not saying they're the only ones smoking menthol, but over my many years of anecdotal experience, most people I've ever been with or observed that were menthol cigarette (real ones) smokers, were black.

  • Here's a modest proposal: Ban all tobacco products completely.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Prohibition does not work. It is just like socialism. Tried and failed multiple times.

      • Sure it works. The reason prohibition didn't work with alcohol is because it's easy to make. Tobacco can theoretically be grown at home but good luck with that. It's a notoriously finicky plant.
        As far as "not working" I would argue that alcohol prohibition had positive benefit in the sense that attitudes toward drinking were positively modified. People simply don't drink as much as they did before Prohibition, especially hard liquor.
        • by Anonymous Coward

          Prohibition didn't work because it was fucking retarded to begin with and the population didn't want it. If there was no actual desire for it then no amount of ease in making would have sufficed. There simply wouldn't have been a consumer base.

        • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 15, 2018 @04:34PM (#57651052)

          Yep, being hard to make is why you don't find any street drugs anymore. They all went buh-bye with prohibition. Coke, meth, e, etc, all eradicated with your simple plan. We don't have gangs shooting each other over territory at all.

          • In all fairness, the profitability of illegal tobacco manufacturing and/or smuggling isnâ(TM)t anywhere near close to that of something like cocaine.

            • that's because currently tobacco is legal, plentiful, and easy to obtain. If that were to change, so would the profitability...
            • In all fairness, the profitability of illegal tobacco manufacturing and/or smuggling isnÃ(TM)t anywhere near close to that of something like cocaine.

              You are right, but the dollar amounts are still in the billions. The profit potential combined with the shorter sentences vs. drug crimes make this an attractive market opportunity for criminals. I've read estimates that 59% of the tobacco sold in New York is black market. I can't say if that's credible, but it's a shocking number.

        • by tsqr ( 808554 )

          The reason prohibition didn't work with alcohol is because it's easy to make.

          Do you seriously think a significant fraction of the alcohol consumed during Prohibition was homemade? Yes, we've all heard of "bathtub gin", but the overwhelming majority of alcohol was smuggled in from outside the country.

          • Not clear at all.

            During prohibition they sold very common wine kits etc. With lists of things not to do...e.g. Don't mix with water, boil, allow to cool than add yeast, do not install a gas trap and wait a week, then bottle (when it stops bubbling). If you do those things for dogs sake, don't drink it. They sold enough to keep E&J in business.

            Only the rich could afford imported hard liquor.

            They also redistilled industrial alcohol, and the government deliberately added poisons that would pass thro

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        • by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Thursday November 15, 2018 @06:04PM (#57651674) Homepage Journal

          Sure it works. The reason prohibition didn't work with alcohol is because it's easy to make. Tobacco can theoretically be grown at home but good luck with that. It's a notoriously finicky plant.

          It really shouldn't be up to the government in the first place...ESPECIALLY the Federal Govt.

          I"m still trying to find in my copy of the Constitution one of the few enumerated powers and responsibilities of the federal govt to regulate what I ingest voluntarily.

          They don't need to be telling people, grown adults what they can or cannot eat, smoke, snort, inject or rub into their bellies........

          The government was not established to be your conscience or nanny....and I cannot fathom why we continue to go further down that rabbits hole of having the government rule your life rather than let you do as you wish with your body and live with the consequences.

          • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

            by Anonymous Coward

            ....and I cannot fathom why we continue to go further down that rabbits hole of having the government rule your life rather than let you do as you wish with your body and live with the consequences.

            If you cannot fathom why, then you're part of the problem. But I'll say it, people are stupid. The narcissisistic, NIMBY lovin', greedy, i-got-mine-fuck-you attitude thats the result of amerkin culture continues to breed ignorant, civically uninvolved Joe Q. Publics that perpetuate the societal ills you suffer. Wish I had an answer to fix people short of killing most of them.

      • Socialism has some successes. Just take a look at the Scandinavia countries. Or are you one of those people who doesn't know the difference between Socialism and Communism?

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Rockoon ( 1252108 )
          You are one of those people that, in spite of being told again and again that you are wrong, by the very Scandinavians that you are mislabeling, that you get to mislabel them because you want to win a political debate that you dont even understand.
      • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

        Add to it that smoke is a lot easier to detect and hard to explain when you use it.

        Easier to get away with chewing that shit instead though.

    • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Thursday November 15, 2018 @04:21PM (#57650958)
      People say the solution to the tobacco use problem is to ban tobacco.

      People say the solution to the illegal drug use problem is to legalize them.

      Whenever a solution doesn't work perfectly, there's a knee-jerk reaction among people to suggest that the opposite of the current solution be tried. Such simplistic reasoning almost never works.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        And their much decreased deaths from Chinese poisoned fentanyl fakeheroin. Facts and human lives obviously dont matter to you..

        • What? That stopped because dealers were losing clients due to death. Fentanyl and heroin are both available in your nearest seedy part of town. This is literally the dumbest thing I've seen on slashdot..

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        People say the solution to the tobacco use problem is to ban tobacco.

        People say the solution to the illegal drug use problem is to legalize them.

        Whenever a solution doesn't work perfectly, there's a knee-jerk reaction among people to suggest that the opposite of the current solution be tried. Such simplistic reasoning almost never works.

        Banning a product as a whole doesn't work. We tried it with alcohol, it didn't work out so well.

        But banning subcategorties - e.g., flavored e-liquids or menthol cigarettes,

        • But banning subcategorties - e.g., flavored e-liquids or menthol cigarettes, while keeping the regular stuff around isn't a complete ban - if you must smoke or vape, you can. It's just they removed the attractants that make it feel less nasty or more appealing. So you can smoke and vape still.

          They should do this for food. Ban all flavour. From now on everyone just gets bland protein chunks and scientifically formulated nutrition powder. After all there's an obesity epidemic going on, and Teh Gubberment Must Do Something! You can still eat, you just have to eat the legal federally mandated stuff.

          • They should do the same with alcohol. Ban all flavors. The only legal alcohol would be grain alcohol. Studies show that virtually no teenage drinking starts with grain alcohol so it must have the benefit of stopping all teenage drinking. (/s)

            Because 54% of teen smoking starts with menthol cigarettes banning menthol must lower teen smoking by more than half. If the only flavor of cigarettes are regular flavor, then 100% of teen smoking will start with regular flavor. There is no evidence that banning
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Here's a modest proposal: Ban all tobacco products completely.

      Will never happen. Government makes too much money off tobacco to ban it.

      • Here's a modest proposal: Ban all tobacco products completely.

        Will never happen. Government makes too much money off tobacco to ban it.

        ...especially state government. How else can you tax the crap out of the poor (since they smoke way more than middle-class and rich folks do) and not get yelled at for it?

    • Being that people are addicted to them. a Ban will only spur dangerous Black Markets.

      By making your habit a bit more harder to start, you can probably lower the demand.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 15, 2018 @04:57PM (#57651196)

      So, a man should not be allowed a steak just because a baby can't chew it?

      Since you obviously don't know your history, allow me to enlighten you: prohibition *always* creates black markets, which funnel huge amounts of money and power into the hands of criminals, who use it to do terrible things. Further, it pushes tax dollars to enforcement of the ban, which is futile and robs us of the better uses on which those tax dollars could be spent.

      Also, it is morally wrong. Freedom is an inalienable right. This includes the freedom to choose quality over quantity of life, and do things like smoke.

      If teens are getting this illegally, the right answer is NOT to take it away from adults, who absolutely should have legal access to it. If the problem is extreme, then require that shops that sell tobacco disallow teens on the premises (even when accompanied by an adult). And STOP THERE. A certain degree of abuse is a price of freedom and it is a price worth paying!.

      • Modern politics is solely about control. Not progress, not âoemake America great againâ, but control. The nanny state is all around us, and weâ(TM)re so divided that weâ(TM)re more worried about âoedefeatingâ the âoeopponentâ than actually standing up for the founding philosophies of this nation (and just because a few of those philosophies might be problematic to todayâ(TM)s sensibilities, doesnâ(TM)t mean we should throw out *all* of them).

      • by Misagon ( 1135 )

        Prohibition creates a black market only for products whose use was already widespread.
        New types of addictive drugs are invented and introduced by shady people all the time, but we don't hear about them because they are banned and removed from the market by the authorities in time before can become popular.

        Calling smoking "freedom" is just bullshit. You are a smoker yourself, right? Then it is not logic that talks, but addiction.
        As long as you smoke in a public space where others may be, you risk exposing th

        • Calling smoking "freedom" is just bullshit. You are a smoker yourself, right? Then it is not logic that talks, but addiction. As long as you smoke in a public space where others may be, you risk exposing them to smoke. And it is by exposure to nicotine (in smoke or vape) that people get addicted to it. You don't have an inalienable right to create more addicts.

          But if you want to inject yourself with nicotine, use a path, gum, tablet or inhaler. Then that's perfectly fine by me. That is your right.

          So you are OK with banning cigarettes because that's what you see most often? It's OK to allow pat(c)h, gum, tablet, or inhaler (vape?) because that doesn't inconvenience YOU as much? A very little percentage of smoking is done in public but because THAT portion of a affects you the most, banning ALL smoking is your solution?

          So, let me sum up your argument. Freedom is OK as long as YOU are not inconvenienced.

          --

    • by Strider- ( 39683 )

      The better solution is to regulate the nicotine content, and start to slowly ramp it down over a period of a decade or more. Slowly drop the addictive potential, and slowly wean the smokers off the drug.

    • by UnknownSoldier ( 67820 ) on Thursday November 15, 2018 @06:32PM (#57651844)

      I don't smoke but fuck off with your Puritanism.

      First, yes, 2nd smoke is nasty and disgusting but people have a right to smoke in private.

      Second, if people want to poison their bodies then no one else has the right to dictate how they abuse their bodies.

      Third, banning is always a stupid "half-assed" solution (which never works) as opposed to education.

      • by rastos1 ( 601318 )
        Do people also have the right to refuse paying for repair of abuser's body caused by the poison they voluntarily took?
    • by Misagon ( 1135 )

      I don't think that would work.

      What I think could work though is to replace all tobacco smoking with vaping.

      While you ban all smoking, you apply the rules that did apply to smoking directly to vaping. That would be the easiest to understand, and therefore the easiest to implement.

      But what also must be done is to regulate the "e-liquid" so that it contains only approved substances in approved amounts. No more 10 times the nicotine than in tobacco. No unsafe solvents. No candy flavour. Appropriate labelling wa

    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      I agree - and sometimes I'd like to have a "+10 Troll" moderation just because it's so straightforward true but offending for those that suffers.

    • Here's a modest proposal: Ban all tobacco products completely.

      Hint: any time someone mentions "a modest proposal", what they're saying is very likely to be satire or sarcasm. For those of you who didn't pay attention in English class, the reference is to Jonathan Swift's essay by that title, in which he proposed eating babies as a solution to mass starvation.

      One eastern European government back in the '90s did a study and came to the conclusion that smokers were a net win for the government. Reason being, they were lifelong payers of tobacco taxes and saved the gov

  • just leave us be (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 15, 2018 @04:11PM (#57650874)

    The argument against smoking is that it pollutes the air of non-smokers and affects their health. What's the issue now? I don't want ass flavored vapes, I moved away from smoking for a reason. Nicotine is so bad and yet you let people drink and push way more addicting medications. If I wanted a nanny, I would have hired one.

    • The argument against smoking is that it pollutes the air of non-smokers

      Yup, and as a non-smoker, as long as you're doing that shit outside, away from public entrances, or on/in your own property - I have no problem with it. I'm not a fan of nanny state regulations, because they generally don't know when to stop. You end up with things like banning big soda cups, which could've been filled with calorically indistinguishable from water diet soda, but the nanny state doesn't like the idea you're drinking too much of something with fizz and flavor.

      If the government wants to get

    • by rtb61 ( 674572 ) on Thursday November 15, 2018 @08:54PM (#57652600) Homepage

      Medical expenses, and the companies selling addiction. So taxes simply need to be high enough on those products to cover medical expense. So basically buy a pack of fags a day and the company that provides them should cover you health insurance. They sell the addiction, they should cover the cost to society of that addiction, use pays.

      • So taxes simply need to be high enough on those products to cover medical expense. So basically buy a pack of fags a day and the company that provides them should cover you health insurance.

        No, the company that provides them doesn't pay the taxes. The person who BUYS them pays the taxes. So, buy a pack of fags a day, and you have paid enough to cover your eventual medical expenses....

    • Not a smoker.

      I agree. Too much nanny stuff. Let people make their own decisions.

      We already have laws determining the age at which people can legally purchase tobacco. Just enforce those laws.

  • by Penguinisto ( 415985 ) on Thursday November 15, 2018 @04:13PM (#57650882) Journal

    Really? I suspect it has nothing to do with teens smoking. Also, teenagers usually go for the taboo stuff first, if only to show off a sense of independence to their peers. If it isn't smoking, it'd likely be something else. Besides, teenagers have been smoking weed for nearly a century now, and at least on a recreational basis, that stuff is illegal as hell for kids to partake of.

    Sometimes I wish that statists would just say outright what they want to do - it's not like eliminating smoking is a bad goal, and for once the honesty would be refreshing.

    • i was super mad when like the first week of obama taking office the first thing he did was ban all flavours except the one he smoked >_> there. rip my proper and delicious cloves. so what if he probably saved my life. there, my first and last political post ever.
    • Also, teenagers usually go for the taboo stuff first, if only to show off a sense of independence to their peers. If it isn't smoking, it'd likely be something else.

      Which is all good and fine until that taboo stuff is highly addictive. I think everyone making these decisions would be okay if it were something else. As a casual weed smoker myself I'm actually quite glad I never smoked cigarettes in highschool. I see the money pit people throw their savings into all the while trying and failing repeatedly to quit.

      Though I can't get behind a ban on e-cigarettes. 3 of my close friends have quit smoking through the use of e-cigarettes by slowly diminishing their nicotine in

  • Fuck you. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Highdude702 ( 4456913 ) on Thursday November 15, 2018 @04:14PM (#57650896)

    Fuck you, if they think they will take my Newports they better prepare for a fight. How about the parents you know... BE PARENTS!! Wtf is with people and their need to control what others do.

    • Fuck you, if they think they will take my Newports they better prepare for a fight. How about the parents you know... BE PARENTS!! Wtf is with people and their need to control what others do.

      This isn't a serious suggestion and I've never taken a puff so I wouldn't know (and I'm not in favour of an all-out ban)... but... ... would smoking a regular cigarette with a cough drop in your mouth at the same time have anything like the same effect as a menthol cigarette?

      • Unfortunately no, I've tried it. You can still taste the nastiness of the regular cigarette through it. I smoke Newports because I like the way they taste. The alternative would be to quit smoking 100% because all other cigarettes including menthols taste like ass to me.

      • So? Isn't taking menthols from adults the same as punishing them for what, someone else's poor parenting?
    • by Misagon ( 1135 )

      Who the hell moderated the parent post "Insightful"?
      That can only have been a smoker.

    • At two cigs a day, I'm not worried about my health. I'm not even really addicted, I just really enjoy having one with my coffee in the morning and one after dinner. What did I do to deserve having that simple pleasure ripped away?

      Nothing. I did nothing. Someone else did something they weren't allowed to, so you and I are going to be punished for it? WTF kind of "logic" is that?

      • Well, that's the logic that a large portion of this country has. It's called control, they just want to be able to tell you and I that we can not do something because they don't like it. Even when it doesn't effect them.

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Thursday November 15, 2018 @04:23PM (#57650974)

    The supposed worry is that kids will become addicted to nicotine.

    But that was never a health issue, the other aspects of smoking cigarettes are what lead to lung cancer, not the nicotine itself.

    If you remove vaping, what will happen is kids will go back to cigarettes. How is that better??

    Vaping has been amazingly helping in getting people OFF cigarettes and the FDA wants to un-spool all that benefit...

    • by DRJlaw ( 946416 )

      The supposed worry is that kids will become addicted to nicotine.

      Yes.

      But that was never a health issue,

      Says you. Addiction is a health issue [asam.org]. Has been since before you were born.

      the other aspects of smoking cigarettes are what lead to lung cancer, not the nicotine itself.

      "Health issues" are not limited to cancer. K thx bye.

      • So what? Just because something is addictive doesn't mean it's inherently bad. Caffeine is addictive, but it also has health benefits. Plus it's f'ing necessary. Nicotine has anti-anxiety and antidepressant effects, and the withdrawl is nothing compared to what one experiences trying to come off of Paxil, a prescription anti-anxiety/antidepressant.

        Running is addictive. And, it can have lethal consequences, to which my uncle's cardiologist will attest.

        Sex is addictive. Shall we ban it? That would

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    • by Misagon ( 1135 )

      Most deaths from smoking are actually from heart disease, not cancer.

      While tobacco smoke contains particles that are bad for your cardiovascular system, nicotine also causes heart disease itself.
      This has been proven in studies of snuff-users in countries where use of snuff is widespread: there is a statistically significant higher rate of heart disease among them than among other non-smokers.

      Almost all nicotine addicts (smokers and vapers) become addicts because they have been subjected to second-hand smoke

    • But that was never a health issue, the other aspects of smoking cigarettes are what lead to lung cancer, not the nicotine itself.

      Yeah I guess all the cool kids will instead just show off their patches at school. Seriously that comment you just made was dumb.

      I agree with your point on vaping though. Several of my close friends quick smoking by switching to vaping, and the various recipes allow you to carefully control your nicotine intake and slowly drop it. When you're not addicted to a substance it's easier to change a habit.

      Speaking of habit that's the thing you're missing. Nicotine is addictive but smoking is a habit. The fact tha

  • by Anonymous Coward

    That'll solve eveything and won't fuck with the rest of us.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Self-righteous people use children as an excuse to deprive adults of their freedom

  • by Zorro ( 15797 )

    More like they want all the taxes they collect on tobacco but not on vaping.

  • That adds the menthol back in. Hood Riches AWAIT! :-P
  • What year is this? I feel like I just traveled back to the 1970s.

    Kids are really paying $10+ a pack to get lung cancer?

    I just figured tobacco dropped off a cliff over the past few decades.

  • A severed head is speaking, forgetting its origins.

    Nicotene is bad because smoking is bad. Nicotene isn't bad because nicotene is bad.

    Quit trying to play up minimal dangers severed from the actual dangers that spawned them.

    I haven't seen this much idiocy since the mercury/vaccine/autism link was disproven, yet by that point mercury per se was viewed as bad in vaccines, severed from the (false) autism link.

    We are seeing a similar thing with gluten intolerance, a real issue for a small minority, and everyone

  • Take a look at how tobacco smuggling is already going on.

  • I'm strongly against prohibition. Tobacco smuggling is already a billion dollar industry. Prohibition would only make that worse.

    I'd honestly rather see more people die from smoking than to create another revenue stream for criminal enterprises and the private prisons that hold their offal.

  • Why tobacco gets so much hate when the alcohol industry is effectively given a free pass ?

    Not that I condone banning either but we're gonna get the pitchforks and torches out over flavored tobacco
    while ignoring the elephant in the room of a bazillion and one flavors of alcohol ?

    Makes no sense to me, but it IS the US Government. . . . so -shrug-

  • in my country chocolate cigarettes are banned. that is real chocolate cigarettes, there is no tobacco in them at all, it's real candy (that looks like cigarettes).
    there was quite the uproar when that happened, basically everybody had at one time in their life had at least eating it once, but despite all, they got banned anyway.
    i still can't imagine that these candies are responsible for turning kids into smokers as some kind of gateway 'drug'.

  • I smoke two menthol cigarettes a day. Sometimes, three. I'm an adult, legally allowed to use tobacco. Why the f- should I have that small pleasure taken from me? Are there not already laws banning underage smoking? If those aren't good enough, why the f- do we have them? Why punish me for what some dumb kid might do?

    Should we also ban wine coolers and spiked punch? Alcohol is more dangerous to a developing brain than tobacco after all.

    P.S. Fuck you.

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