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Verizon Admits Defeat With $4.6 Billion AOL-Yahoo Writedown (bloomberg.com) 100

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Verizon is conceding defeat on its crusade to turn a patchwork of dot-com-era businesses into a thriving online operation. The wireless carrier slashed the value of its AOL and Yahoo acquisitions by $4.6 billion, an acknowledgment that tough competition for digital advertising is leading to shortfalls in revenue and profit. The move will erase almost half the value of the division it had been calling Oath, which houses AOL, Yahoo and other businesses like the Huffington Post. The revision of the Oath division's accounting leaves its goodwill balance -- a measure of the intangible value of an acquisition -- at about $200 million, Verizon said in a filing Tuesday. The unit still has about $5 billion of assets remaining. Verizon also announced yesterday that 10,400 employees are taking buyouts to leave the company. The cuts are "part of an effort to trim the telecom giant's workforce ahead of its push toward 5G," TechCrunch reported.
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Verizon Admits Defeat With $4.6 Billion AOL-Yahoo Writedown

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  • Oath, which houses AOL, Yahoo and other businesses like the Huffington Post ... [has a $4.6 Billion Writedown.]

    Oath? More like Ooof.

    And V now owns the Huffington .*? *I* didn't know that. But I can't lose them -- how will I know what my default position is on anything? (BTW, My default position is exactly 180 degrees from them. If they say the Earth is round I'm immediately starting out a Flat Earther. And that's only when I hear about them from echos.)

    • I don't know a lot about Oath, but I have noticed that since they bought out Engadget the site is inaccessible a fair bit of the time. Its preferred method of falling-over seems to be redirecting any story link to a login screen - was like that for days, until just recently (and this wasn't the first time).

    • by Desler ( 1608317 )

      It's amazing how so many people are proud to be a modern-day know-nothing.

  • It's essentially a website that posts links to real news and summarizes them with a liberal slant. Leftist version of Breitbart

    • Because there're loads of people who want their opinions formed for them (regardless of what their political ideology is) and are more than happy to lap up content like this, which is also conveniently cheap to produce since you can just hire a bunch of low cost recent graduates who will work for chicken scratch because of the dearth of jobs in news media at respectable publications.

      I'm surprised they even need staff at any of these places. It seems like you could train a bot to trot out the same old tal
    • by slashdice ( 3722985 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @08:59PM (#57789850)

      Leftist version of Breitbart

      Literally. Huffington Post was co-founded by Ariana Huffington and ... Andrew Breitbart.

  • If they have asked anyone on this forum we would help them save $4.6B for a minimal fee long time ago.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Desler ( 1608317 )

      The smart money would've been allowing Microsoft to buy Yahoo. Although, Verizon did way over pay on the zombie corpse. Jerry Yang was quite the idiot.

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  • Tumblr (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Daetrin ( 576516 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @07:26PM (#57789388)
    So Verizon/Oath announce on Dec 3rd that Tumblr, one of the companies under the banner of Oath, will ban anything "pornographic". By the end of that day their stock has dropped $2 a share. Verizon has 4.13 billion shares outstanding [yahoo.com]. That's a value loss of $8.26 billion. A week later they cut the value of Oath by $4.6 billion.

    Seems like they might actually be underselling(?) the loss?
  • Much like the Time Warner-AOL deal some 20 years ago, I don't know a single person that thought that was a good idea. At least it took 5-6 years for it to unravel.

    Wasn't it just last year VZ completed their deal? And does anyone know anyone who thought it was a smart thing to do? Cuz I sure don't, everyone I talked to said VZ were idiots.

    Makes one wonder what goes on in those CXX suites while the worker bees wonder who will lose their jobs.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Desler ( 1608317 )

      The real idiots were Jerry Yang and company who turned down Steve Ballmer's offer of tens of billions to buy Yahoo. They could've bilked so much more out of Microsoft and Verizon ended up paying.

      • Re:That was fast (Score:4, Informative)

        by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @08:40PM (#57789744)

        The real idiots were Jerry Yang and company who turned down Steve Ballmer's offer of tens of billions to buy Yahoo.

        Microsoft offered Yahoo $44.6B. They later sold out to Verizon for $4.8B. Now they are worth $0.2B.

        After Jerry rejected the deal and Microsoft walked away, many people wondered what Jerry's plan was. It turned out that he had no plan, no ideas, nothing. The company just continued to spiral the drain.

        At least Jerry lost his job for that blunder.

        • by Desler ( 1608317 )

          At least Jerry lost his job for that blunder.

          Unfortunately, so did thousands of his subordinates.

        • Microsoft offered Yahoo $44.6B. They later sold out to Verizon for $4.8B. [That's a delta of "only" $40B, enough for most people to notice.]

          Jesus. That's got to look great on a resume.

          Interview: "And what was do you think was your greatest accomplishment at your last company?" "Well, I sold the entire company for nearly $5B dollars."
          "Nice. And your greatest failure?" "(Sweating) Ummm, I didn't order comfy enough chairs for everyone."

      • But Microsoft may have gone bankrupt and today wouldnt be making contributions to Linux kernel and becoming an open source company.

    • And does anyone know anyone who thought it was a smart thing to do?

      Tim Armstrong. I don't remember where I read the article, I believe it was when he announced his resignation, but his goal/hope was for Verizon to spin off Oath into a separate company after the merger of AOL & Yahoo, essentially turning it into a massive media company to compete with others like Google. Verizon didn't though, hence his resignation at the end of the year.

    • Much like the Time Warner-AOL deal some 20 years ago, I don't know a single person that thought that was a good idea

      I know some people who thought it was a great idea and they were right. Of course, they owned AOL stock at the time...

    • Much like the Time Warner-AOL deal some 20 years ago, I don't know a single person that thought that was a good idea.

      That was a really great deal ..... for AOL shareholders. No so much for anyone else.

  • Fucking Brilliant!

  • by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @07:33PM (#57789436) Journal

    Mergers of larger tech-related companies seem to always fail. Can anyone name a success in the last 2 decades?

    • by Desler ( 1608317 )

      Next + Apple?

      • by Desler ( 1608317 )

        Although that technically is just passed two decades ago, I guess.

      • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

        Next arguably wasn't "big". They pretty much had one product. Big companies typically have hundreds of products. And the Next computer was a flop. If there was any net benefit, it was that Steve got a crew he knew and helped pick to work for Apple, and possibly some OS-related IP.

        Okay, I'll compromise and give that example half a credit.

        • Apple had tried and failed twice to write their own decent OS.

          They bought Next after being asked to pay an insane price for Bee. Bee got a big old finger instead. Like Yahoo turning down MS, Bee did an epic fail.

        • by Desler ( 1608317 )

          There was more net benefit than you mention. They went from being a dying company to one that has hundreds of billions in cash and jostles for the highest-valued company in the world.

          • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

            There was more net benefit than you mention. They went from being a dying company to one that has hundreds of billions...

            That's probably because Steve Jobs became the CEO, not because of Next itself.

            • Most devices at Apple share the shared heritage of the original MacOS and OpenStep. MacOS as we know today was essentially a reskined version of OpenStep. The OS at the core of the iPhone, the Apple Watch and MacOS are all based on what came from NeXT. Without that the Mac would be dead.

              Yes Steve Jobs being CEO was certainly important, but so too was the software he brought with him.

              • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

                Without that the Mac would be dead.

                We don't know that. That's mere speculation. Perhaps Apple would borrow even more Unix & OSS if Next not around.

                • Without that the Mac would be dead.

                  We don't know that. That's mere speculation. Perhaps Apple would borrow even more Unix & OSS if Next not around.

                  It is speculation, but the next best alternative was BeOS and from what I know of it, it didn't seem like a great option. The Unix underpinnings of OpenStep was a very real strength and combining that with a generally good UI and top level stack was another strength. Adding Steve Jobs into the mix further helped cement the advantages. I am not convinced that Jean-Louis Gassée would have been the right person for the job?

                  Developing an operating system is hard. Developing a great operating system takes m

    • Apple is doing pretty good selling rebadged NextStep computers.

    • Mergers of larger tech-related companies seem to always fail. Can anyone name a success in the last 2 decades?

      Well, if we exclude the content consolidation driven by the desire to own the streaming market, e..g Disney/Fox, as "non-tech-related", we are still left with of choices:

      • Facebook/Instagram
      • Facebook/WhatsApp
      • Microsoft/Skype
      • Microsoft/Mojang
      • Apple/Next
      • Apple/Beats
      • Google/Android
      • Google/YouTube
      • Google/Doubleclick
      • Google/Nest (okay, jury's still out)
      • Blizzard/Activision
      • Amazon/Twitch
      • Amazon/Audible.com
      • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

        I'd argue most of those are not "big", but rather purchased specialists. Most of MS-Office and VB were from purchased smallish companies who mode the original software titles, for example.

        • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

          Let me rework the last sentence: Most of MS-Office and MS Visual Basic came from Microsoft purchasing specific software titles and sometimes the entire company that made them. They were small companies, which doesn't fit my original criteria.

        • If you don't think Activision/Blizzard was big enough, I'm not sure your sense of scale. And, frankly, I'm not sure what would qualify. AOL/TimeWarner wasn't two tech companies. Maybe Verizion/Yahoo? I mean, Google/DoubleClick were two huge companies at the time, although both are much smaller than what Alphabet is now.

    • More acquisitions than mergers, but successful nonetheless: Google + YouTube (in hindsight a very good one), Facebook + Instagram (1 billion seemed ludicrous at the time. Looks like a bargain now), Google + Android, Microsoft + Skype
  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @08:54PM (#57789824)
    the whole thing stinks. I'm guessing somebody made out like a bandit and left somebody else (probably smaller shareholders) holding the bag.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    With this big write off, Verizon might not be paying any taxes, yet again! [americansf...irness.org]

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