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Over 110,000 Passengers on 760 Flights Disrupted by Drones Flying Over One of the UK's Busiest Airports (bbc.com) 196

Gatwick's runway has been shut since Wednesday night, when two devices were seen flying over the perimeter fence. The airport said at about 12:00 GMT on Thursday a drone had been spotted "in the last hour" and the runway would not open "until it was safe to do so". From a report: About 110,000 passengers on 760 flights were due to fly on Thursday. Disruption could last "several days". Those due to travel have been told to check the status of their flight, while Easyjet told its passengers not to go to Gatwick if their flights have been cancelled. Sussex Police said it was not terror-related but a "deliberate act" of disruption, describing the drones as of "industrial specification". The shutdown started just after 21:00 GMT on Wednesday, when two drones were spotted flying "over the perimeter fence and into where the runway operates from". The runway briefly reopened at 03:01 but was closed again about 45 minutes later amid "a further sighting of drones".
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Over 110,000 Passengers on 760 Flights Disrupted by Drones Flying Over One of the UK's Busiest Airports

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  • Brilliant attack! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Marxist Hacker 42 ( 638312 ) * <seebert42@gmail.com> on Thursday December 20, 2018 @09:16AM (#57835740) Homepage Journal

    Nobody gets injured, but you shut down the airport for fear of people being injured. If you use autonomous pre-programed GPS based drones, there isn't even necessarily a radio signal to trace back to the person who launched the drone, potentially from several miles away.

    • Nobody get injured until one of them slips by the cracks and gets jammed in an engine while trying to take off or land.

      • My understanding is that all passenger aircraft can handle a single engine failure during takeoff. Landing is even less of a concern.

      • Not if you shut down the airport to prevent such a problem, which was the point. And I assume that they have to assume that in an intentional denial of service attack like this, the drones would be programmed to *try* to get sucked into an engine, so shutting the airport down is an entirely reasonable precaution.

        I mean seriously - what sort of idiot would even try to fly through such an airspace denial zone outside of an armed conflict?

    • If you use autonomous pre-programed GPS based drones, there isn't even necessarily a radio signal to trace back to the person who launched the drone, potentially from several miles away.

      No. That is how the Iranians took down a drone. Fake GPS signals. Use gyroscopic navigation. Rely on nothing external.

  • by BlacKSacrificE ( 1089327 ) on Thursday December 20, 2018 @09:17AM (#57835748)

    Sounds like someone trying to force the regulators hand. What better way to prompt regulation than fucking with the second largest airport in the UK at one of the busiest times of the year.

    • Sounds like someone trying to force the regulators hand. What better way to prompt regulation than fucking with the second largest airport in the UK at one of the busiest times of the year.

      Could be.

      Or could be the Peaceful Worldview That Must Not Be Named ... if they can plant sleepers and train them as pilots and have them take over airplanes and fly them into things, they can probably manage a couple of drones ...

      • by ocsibrm ( 3588573 ) on Thursday December 20, 2018 @09:31AM (#57835838)
        My view of the average person combined with Occam's razor says this probably isn't a scheme by a nefarious group hellbent on destruction, and is more likely just some random asshole who thinks he's absolutely *hilarious*. You know, like those folks who shine lasers at airplanes.
        • by mjwx ( 966435 )

          My view of the average person combined with Occam's razor says this probably isn't a scheme by a nefarious group hellbent on destruction, and is more likely just some random asshole who thinks he's absolutely *hilarious*. You know, like those folks who shine lasers at airplanes.

          Its gone on far too long for that.

          Its far more likely to be someone with a serious grudge against Gatwick Airport or one of the major airlines running out of Gatwick like EasyJet, BA or Ryanair... So that shortens the list of suspects to most people in Southern England.

          It doesn't seem political as no statements or demands have been made but it is obviously deliberate and planned.

          • Or it's a test of the military's anti-drone capabilities under low-stakes conditions. They've now predictably been called in, and we'll see how well they do at actually eliminating the threat.

            Seems like this sort of attack could be relatively easy to keep up for a long time - just have some guys driving around releasing fully autonomous radio-silenced drones as fast as they get brought down. Even with ubiquitous surveillance it would likely take a long time to identify them, and a well-organized and well-

        • My view of the average person combined with Occam's razor says this probably isn't a scheme by a nefarious group hellbent on destruction, and is more likely just some random asshole who thinks he's absolutely *hilarious*.

          As a Brit myself, I will have to agree that... that seems like a very British thing to do. It may not even that he thought it was hilarious- he probably just wanted to see if he could shut down the airport that way and this was all about his curiosity.

        • by MobyDisk ( 75490 )

          I took the OP to be saying that the government was doing it so they had an excuse to increase their powers. Here in the US, the FAA keeps trying to get people to register drones, require GPSs on them, or outright ban them, even though it is obvious that such things that will do nothing to prevent crime since criminals will simply not register them and/or turn off the GPS.

        • Why would Theresa May be flying drones?

      • by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Thursday December 20, 2018 @09:45AM (#57835928) Journal
        if they can plant sleepers and train them as pilots and have them take over airplanes and fly them into things, they can probably manage a couple of drones ...

        If the master race can steal explosives, manufacture a 7,000 pound bomb and detonate it next to a building, they can probably manage a couple of drones.
    • I think for a lot of people who feel in general powerless find some comfort that they were able to make actions positive or negative that got some notice. "I was able to stop the Airport alone with my skills" probably gives the person a false sense of empowerment.
      It is a lot like graffiti from kids, they just like seeing a mark, that everyone sees and knows, "I was the one that put it there"

      Sure there is a lot of meaningful attacks that has a purpose, but there is so many people who feel unappropriated that

      • Why false? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Thursday December 20, 2018 @12:43PM (#57837030)

        "I was able to stop the Airport alone with my skills" probably gives the person a false sense of empowerment.

        In what way is that false? The effect is very real, and probably a lot more than was imagined when the people sent in the drones (though honestly I think it more likely the drones were jus there to take video for fun).

        Now that people know how easy it is to shut down an airport... well hang on folks, we are in for one rocky ride as the nutters seize on this as a way to use airports for political messaging.

        In the end they are just going to have to learn to keep airports running despite "sightings of drones".

    • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

      by gweihir ( 88907 )

      That would also explain why there apparently was no real effort finding the drone-controllers.

    • You don't solve this problem with regulations, you solve it with countermeasures. Nets, RF jamming and even hawks have been successfully used to take drones down.

      Consumer drones have been a known threat for many years now. Shutting down an entire airport can't possibly be cheaper than obtaining the equipment necessary to knock them out of the sky. It sounds like the airports are just not prepared to deal with the threat.

    • by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Thursday December 20, 2018 @12:01PM (#57836820) Journal

      Sounds like someone trying to force the regulators hand.

      I think probably not. I mean it could be but on the one hand you've got someone being machevellian, on the other hand yu have a stupid action from a colossal army of fuckwits. My money is on the fuckwits, personally.

    • What better way to prompt regulation...

      There already are regulations making this highly illegal. If/when the operator is caught s/he will be going away for a long time. What this has highlighted is the need for suitable defences. The police apparently cannot shoot the drone down because they are worried about stray bullets. What is needed is some means to efficient means to disable a drone that is operating illegally. You can have all the regulations you want but there will always be some idiot willing to break them.

      • by Carewolf ( 581105 ) on Thursday December 20, 2018 @12:49PM (#57837076) Homepage

        Airports already have hunters to shoot and scare flocks of birds. Just let them hunt drones too.

      • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

        If they want to shut down the airport and had no concerns for legality, they can use model rockets too. Hamas manages to build those despite the blockade and they can easily send Israel into lockdown.

        What this has highlighted is the need for suitable defences.

        What this highlights is a need for police to act quickly and arrest the person responsible. If you shoot down the drone but don't arrest them, they'll have a new, more sturdy drone next week. There are thousands of ways a person can interfere with airport operations. You can only prepare against so many before

        • What this highlights is a need for police to act quickly and arrest the person responsible.

          Given the reports of the number of police deployed, including a police helicopter, I think they have tried this and it did not work. If you can disable and capture the drone though there will presumably be serial numbers on it which would help you track down the owner in addition to the benefit of reducing the disruption.

          • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

            Did they deploy all that in 10 minutes? Or 2 hours later?

            Your countermeasures won't work if the drone already left by the time you got there.

    • Bear in mind the government is bitterly divided, wirh a third of MPs in the Tory party in open rebellion. Their majority is dependent on a group seeking to punish May over the backstop.

      I see no chance of any such legislation going through, as it would be unpopular and there's likely to be an election soon.

    • "How would more regulation help" you all asked?

      You're assuming I meant "more fines". I'm talking completely outlawed from sale and import unless you have a [$new_license_class] issued by the CAA, a commercial reason for the device, and are prepared to send all GPS positional logs back to the regulator at regular intervals for review.

      Someone wants the hobby dead. Considering some of the dumb shit I have seen operators do, I'm not sure I blame them, and I say this has someone who flew RC fixed wing for years.

  • So what radio frequency is used by the drone controllers? It would be simple to build a jamming transmitter that could disable the link between the pirate pilots and their drones. I know nothing about drones but I would bet that someone with a few smarts could easily put together a rather sophisticated jamming transmitter with the necessary modulations that could ground the drones after taking over control of them. It might also be fun to build a directed EMP "weapon" that could be used to take them down
    • Good chance they are on pre-programmed flight between GPS way points. Trivial to do with a uC and a vendetta.

    • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Thursday December 20, 2018 @09:46AM (#57835936) Homepage Journal

      So what radio frequency is used by the drone controllers? It would be simple to build a jamming transmitter that could disable the link between the pirate pilots and their drones. I know nothing about drones

      We know you don't, because you don't even know they use spread-spectrum radio these days, and in spectrum you can't jam without causing problems for other users.

      It might also be fun to build a directed EMP "weapon" that could be used to take them down when visually sighted.

      If you could build one of those, every military on the planet would love to talk to you.

      • The responses here are hilarious. "Why don't the police just shoot the drone flying 400' up a mile away on the other side of the airport with a shotgun?" "Why don't they use their EMP weapons?" "Why don't they jam GPS?" "USE EAGLES!!!"

        The lack of understanding of the size, scope, and both political and technical components of this problem are amazing.

      • by ve3oat ( 884827 )
        Of course spread spectrum can be jammed!! You just need enough power and the same bandwidth. As for "other users", I doubt very much that there are avionics systems anywhere nearby in frequency to these unlicensed general-purpose allocations. And if the drone operator is using frequencies outside of the allocated frequency band, well, then there is another law he has broken and can be charged for.
    • Raytheon has a technology already. High-energy directed microwaves. If these are industrial drones they should be large enough to detect and target within the 1KM perimeter allowed by British regulations.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

  • Where are the control hijackers and the control triangulators and the GPS jammers and the laser weapons and the trained falcons and the dudes with shotguns loaded with birdshot!?!? How can this laughable shitshow go on for over 12 hours!?

    • Perhaps airports are hesitant to deploy lasers, or to interfere with radio communications in ways which could cause other problems, but anti-drone drones seem like the obvious solution here. Militaries already have licensed drone pilots, and employing them to down potentially hostile drones seems reasonable. It's better training than a sim...

  • by nehumanuscrede ( 624750 ) on Thursday December 20, 2018 @09:53AM (#57836006)

    DDOS even works for this.

    Drone
    Denial
    Of
    Service

  • I'm surprised that they delay flights for 6 hours and more because of two drones. I understand that they delay flights, but I'd expect them to take out those drones as soon as possible. If they can't do that, that's rather a big vulnerability.

    I know the Dutch police has worked on using trained eagles to take out drones (by far the most bad-ass solution to the problem). I've also heard of using some sort of jammer or directed electromagnetic pulse to disrupt drone. But even a well-aimed bullet should solve t

    • It would be possible to shoot down the drones. I am sure that would be the chosen approach in the US. However, in the UK, authorities are reluctant to shoot live ammunition into the air over heavily populated areas. They place high priority on preventing unnecessary loss of life.

      • Falling shot should be pretty safe. But you could fly a drone pretty high and still pose a danger to air traffic, while being pretty hard to hit with a shotgun. And I don't know if a shotgun is all that effective against a drone at range.
    • by RatherBeAnonymous ( 1812866 ) on Thursday December 20, 2018 @11:48AM (#57836734)

      ... But even a well-aimed bullet should solve the problem. ...

      It's impossible to consistently hit an erratically moving small target at range with a bullet. Phalanx CIWS systems do it with bursts of 20mm machine gun fire, and that would cause casualties if done over populated areas. Shotguns don't have the range. Air burst flak shells could work, but that would mean firing explosive munitions at low altitudes over a populated area.

      My concern about using the eagles is the risk of injury to the eagles.

      Directed energy is probably the best option.

      • How about shotguns?
        • Effective range on a shotgun is well under 100 meters. Bird shot is effective on ducks only out to about 35 meters. Lacking an comparative test I expect effectiveness against drones is about the same. Buckshot may be able to damage a drone at somewhat longer range, but with fewer pellets per shot it would be harder to score a hit.

      • by Strider- ( 39683 )

        Well, the CRAM is a phalanx CIWS modified for use over land and built up area. It uses self destructing rounds. They destroy the round at the top of the trajectory causing it to fall as relatively harmless metal hail. Was deployed throughout Iraq and Afghanistan to counter insurgent mortars and Rockets. The problem? Each round costs something like$50, so at 3000 rounds per minute it gets expensive, fast.

      • Directed energy is probably the best option.

        And now more feasible than ever. Drones typically accept control signals at 2.4 GHz, which means the directed energy weapon in question would be a maser. The best way to shoot down an aircraft with directed energy is to hit a receiving antenna, frying the on board electronics. Conveniently enough, work out of Imperial College London, published in March 2018 [sciencealert.com], documents the creation of the highest energy maser ever created, more than 100 million times more energy than previous masers, which output in the n

    • I understand that they delay flights, but I'd expect them to take out those drones as soon as possible. If they can't do that, that's rather a big vulnerability.

      You shoot down a drone and call it a day. How did you know you got them all? This was a quite serious event where a repeated drone sighting happened after the news that the airport was already shut and a police operation was underway. Sounds like someone may be doing something on purpose? And yeah it's a huge vulnerability. If you think just because there's a little fence around an airport means they are secure then you've got it quite wrong.

      I know the Dutch police has worked on using trained eagles to take out drones (by far the most bad-ass solution to the problem).

      Nope, they tried, they failed. The program ended a year ago as it

    • by Jahta ( 1141213 )

      I'm surprised that they delay flights for 6 hours and more because of two drones. I understand that they delay flights, but I'd expect them to take out those drones as soon as possible. If they can't do that, that's rather a big vulnerability.

      I know the Dutch police has worked on using trained eagles to take out drones (by far the most bad-ass solution to the problem). I've also heard of using some sort of jammer or directed electromagnetic pulse to disrupt drone. But even a well-aimed bullet should solve the problem.

      Also, weren't drones supposed to be limited through software so that they can only fly where they're allowed to?

      This article [theregister.co.uk] covers why all of those won't work or are too dangerous to try. Even the bird of prey option; yes the Dutch tried it but discontinued it (TL;DR too expensive, complicated and unreliable).

  • Here in the U.S., it's getting harder and harder to enjoy flying a drone as a hobby, thanks to the combination of paranoia over drones and the legitimate problem of people flying them in places they obviously shouldn't be flying (around airports, for example!).

    It's gotten so you can't even legally use one, period, if you live in Washington DC. They've marked off the entire area as restricted airspace for them.

    And as a DJI Mavic Pro owner myself, one of my first thoughts was, "Well, surely I can take one of

    • Just wait until people figure out how trivially easy it is to attach a weapon to a large drone...
    • by vux984 ( 928602 )

      " That's where everyone went to fly kites back when I was a kid. Lots of open space and often some good scenery worth capturing on video during a flight." But no! So many of the State and National parks are starting to ban drone usage too!"

      A large field with 20 or 30 kites is fun for everyone, the fliers, the people walking by, etc.

      A large field with 20 or 30 drones is not. It sounds like a dirtbike in the sky, which scares the birds, and generally annoys the other park goers.

      The RC aircraft people; and the model rocket people... never were a problem like this. First they were a lot rarer. The hobby was moderately expensive; and it required some actual skill and practice both to maintain the craft and to fly it, they only ever operated in bi

      • by King_TJ ( 85913 )

        Except for coordinated events like "drone races" held at specific places, I've *never* seen drones just littering the sky by the dozens!

        The reality is, the radio signals alone tend to limit how many can be operated well in a given space. I'm not going to even attempt to keep flying my drone if 12 other people, often flying other DJI branded products, are nearby with other ones! Too easy to lose control of it.

        It saddens me that people can't seem to use common sense anymore. I mean, we're complaining that t

        • by vux984 ( 928602 )

          " I've *never* seen drones just littering the sky by the dozens!"

          As soon as their popularity started taking off everywhere started banning them. Even one operating nearby is annoyng. 4 or 5 within earshot is obnoxious.

          " I'm not going to even attempt to keep flying my drone if 12 other people, often flying other DJI branded products, are nearby with other ones! Too easy to lose control of it."

          Well I'm so glad you are one of the responsible drone owners who only wants to fly over crowds in town during a parad

    • If my dad was still alive to see this, I'm sure he'd be really agitated about all the regulations. He grew up building gasoline powered model airplanes and later, got his pilot's license

      Well that's the thing isn't it. In your dad's era it wasn't a game for weekend warriors. It required a lot of time, knowledge and money to engage in the hobby. Even if you bought an off the shelf plane, chances are you'd still spend a lot of time fixing and modifying it.

      And then there's learning to fly and land. Those things

      • I wouldn't say the drones worth flying, today, are exactly cheap. Yes, they're smart enough to make takeoff and landing a "no brainer". Way easier than the R/C stuff of the past.

        But you're still usually putting out around a $1000 investment by the time you buy your drone accessories and the drone itself. The real cheap stuff out there doesn't even have enough battery life to be relevant. Those are just toys to fly around your house for 5 minutes at a time, basically.

        Considering the risk of your $600-120

    • by Megane ( 129182 )
      You should have tried a large helium balloon, no scary buzz and it's completely tethered!
  • ... everything would have continued to be safe?

    And in actual reality, things were just as safe as normal the whole time, just some fear-mongers and people that what to inflate their own perceived importance saw an opportunity.

    • by cmdr_klarg ( 629569 ) on Thursday December 20, 2018 @11:48AM (#57836730)

      Safe up until a drone gets sucked into a passenger jet's engine, killing a couple hundred people when it crashes. All because some jackass doesn't have the common sense to avoid airports with his drone.

      This is why we can't have nice things... idiots who can't be bothered to think about anyone except themselves. Especially assholes who are doing shit like this "for the lulz" like this incident appears to be.

      • Might possibly scratch the paint.

        A really big drone (not consumer) might take out an engine. But even taking out both engines should not crash the plane if the pilots can competently glide back.

        Now, a Canada goose with an incompetent pilot is a different matter. But they do not shut down airports for many hours every time a sparrow is seen flying near by.

        This is almost certainly hyped up nonsense. A complete overreaction from incompetent bureaucrats.

    • ... everything would have continued to be safe?

      Yes, and the world is cooling because Trump stuck his head in the sand and went lalala.
      In other news Terrorists don't exist if you close your eyes.
      Windows doesn't suck if you don't turn on your computer.
      And gun violence in America stops being a problem when Google changed the gun emoji.

  • Does the airport have the authority to shoot down any drones that are endangering planes taking off or landing? Nobody minds them shooting birds with shotguns...
    • by x0 ( 32926 )

      Nobody minds them shooting birds with shotguns...

      Birdshot has far less range than a rifle bullet. I doubt the shot even exceeds the outer perimeter of the airfield. A rifle bullet, on the other hand, would be lethal out to ~1500 yards[0], and probably capable of traveling considerably farther.[1]

      Shooting drones with rifles is an exceptionally difficult task, and exceptionally dangerous...

      m

      0. Or meters, go be pedantic somewhere else

      1. Calibre dependent, of course

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