Huawei Had a Deal To Give Washington Redskins Fans Free Wi-Fi, Until the Government Stepped In (wsj.com) 113
Two years after a congressional report labeled Huawei a national-security threat, the Chinese firm unexpectedly scored a big-name ally in Washington. It was the Redskins, the capital's National Football League franchise. Huawei reached an agreement in 2014 to beam Wi-Fi through the suites at the team's FedEx Field, in exchange for advertising in the stadium and during broadcasts. From a report: It was a marketing coup for a company hankering to beef up its meager U.S. business and boost its image inside the Beltway. But the deal didn't last long. A government adviser read about the partnership. He knew the FedEx Field suites were a frequent haunt for lawmakers and senior officials across many agencies. So he triggered an unofficial federal complaint to the Redskins, who quietly tore up the deal. That previously unreported backroom maneuver is an example of a yearslong effort by U.S. officials, often working outside formal channels, to blacklist the Chinese technology giant. Washington has since intensified the campaign and taken it mainstream, with Congress and federal agencies working this year to snuff out Huawei's small U.S. business and curtail its much bigger overseas ambition. Further reading: Huawei Exceeds 200 Million Smartphone Shipments, Setting Company Record.
Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too (Score:2)
Huawei's Honor used to be my go-to budget smartphone brand for some time. Well, to my surprise the Honor 7x, the phone introduced early in 2018, never hit the shelves at our local Best Buy, and then they just dropped all of Huawei's products. This is pretty annoying because I prefer Huawei/Honor to Lenovo, Samsung or LG.
Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too (Score:5, Insightful)
An entirely independent commercial decision, in no way influenced by political or other government pressure. Blessings of the masses, blessing of the State....
I'm sure Best Buy didn't sell them because they didn't consider them commercial viable. Now why aren't they commercially viable? Perhaps because the government has marked them as unsafe and open to the Chinese government for eavesdropping.
I've no idea if Huawei is Chinese spyware; maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but the thought that they might be is going to scare consumers away and put off Best Buy from providing it.
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I have little doubt that a lot of devices from China include spyware. I question why Huawei was specifically targeted without evidence, though. I find it amusing that people trash Bloomberg for their story of Chinese spy chipped servers for lack of evidence, but I don't see the same people coming forward and denouncing the effective collusion without evidence between US government and US companies to trash yet another hardware maker. The same happened with Kaspersky.
And do I even start on how the FBI was
Re: Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too (Score:2, Informative)
https://nypost.com/2018/12/22/how-arrest-of-chinese-princess-exposes-regimes-world-domination-plot/
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US formally accused Huawei of a crime, they ignored it. Their officer went into US legal jurisdiction in Canada, was arrested and held for trial like anyone else. The next day they arrest 2 unrelated Canadians on BS-nothing charges. They don't even specify the charges, because there are no charges yet, they haven't thought of any and nobody in China is required to do anything like a normal country of laws, it's a shit show. So now you have one person facing a trial and well-spelled formal charges, they
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Huawei is being targetted because they refused to add American spyware to their products.
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Ok i might be wring here, butit seemsquitesimple ti me, if you want your products sold in the US , don’t sell them ti contries on the US embatgo list, or sell them to those contries and don’t sell in the US. I don’t see the problem Hoawei had achoice, thei wanted to sell to Iran, fine they firgo the US sales, if they deoend on US sales fine din’t bldy sell to Iran esp notthro a trid oarty to try bypasing the embargo
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Pardon the rypos, did not spot them until it was to late, /. where is your edit function???
Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too (Score:2)
This kind of stupidity is expected from the general public, who have no understanding of technology. You, on the other hand, have no excuse.
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This is probably going to end up as a WTO complaint, or at least some retaliation against US companies trying to get into the rapidly expanding Chinese market.
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And we all know China will pay attention to the WTO just like...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/0... [nytimes.com]
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No, I mean China will complain to the WTO about the US banning Chinese products on dubious national security grounds.
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With all of the Five Eye's chiefs saying they're a national security threat, I'm not concerned with China going to the WTO in the least.
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Since they don't have any influence over the WTO I don't see how that helps. Also the possible sanctions could be quite bad for the US, e.g. China gets to ignore US intellectual property rights or patents as compensation.
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So, are you against NSA spying on our adversaries? We're all well aware that that's their job, and that virtually every country on the planet does so, or it wouldn't likely continue to be a country. So, if we've discovered how one of our adversaries is doing so, and try to put a stop to it, how is that an issue for you?
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That's exactly what this action is about, blocking their intelligence agencies. Did you have the mistaken notion that the world is a friendly place?
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Much better to have a small interfering, overreaching government right?
If you start shrinking government, it'll be the good parts that are removed, not the bad parts. Eventually you'll have a government consisting of 3 letter agencies, federal prisons, corrupt politicians and tax collectors.
The problem isn't big government, it's shitty government.
Re: Time for limited government yet? (Score:2)
Correct; a small government is limited in how much harm it can do.
If you start shrinking government, it'll be the good parts that are removed, not the bad parts. Eventually you'll have a government consisting of 3 letter agencies, federal prisons, corrupt politicians and tax collectors.
I thought you said the good parts would be removed. That sounds like a pretty good start right there. Let's get on that.
Define "free" (Score:5, Interesting)
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No Evidence Presented (Score:2)
All this hating and blacklisting, but I have yet to see any evidence which would make me support this government interference.
Re:No Evidence Presented (Score:4, Insightful)
Germany has outright stated that they don't believe the US as no evidence has ever been presented. Considering that US companies have actually been caught doing exactly what Huawei is accused of, but Huawei never has, I'm far more trusting of Huawei than of any American company.
Re:No Evidence Presented (Score:5, Informative)
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There are laws and then there's evidence. Sure we all believe that Huawei may be spying on USA citizens on behalf of the government. But there's only one thing we know for certain: The USA based carriers and network companies definitely are and have been caught doing so.
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If you need concrete evidence to make you think this deal is a bad idea then you would be the losing party in the age of cyberwarfare.
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Because there is none. Just like the WMDs in Iraq.
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Apparently, some are convinced there is...
https://www.theglobeandmail.co... [theglobeandmail.com]
Seems reasonable. (Score:3)
With national security at stake, it seem like this was a reasonable to distrust a Chinese state run corporation (Huawei) from directly connecting to government devices. If it were a random company from an ally nation then it might be overkill but we're talking about China which has a ongoing effort to hack US interests.
You would have to be ignorant of history of just plain gullible to think nothing is wrong with this situation.
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What evidence? Germany asked to see it before implementing a ban like the US asked for and the US didn't present any evidence. It's just like when Canada asked to see the evidence of WMDs in Iraq. The US is making up stories so that they can put in American hardware everywhere with it's backdoors to the US. Plus the US wants 5G networks on American hardware in as many countries as it can get.
If you can't compete, cheat. Just like all the tariffs recently on "national security" grounds.
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Right, so you're now claiming that prior to the tariffs, we were on a level playing field? Not even close.
not quite (Score:2)
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That is not true.
We have been trying to block Huawei not only in the five major English-speaking countries, but also in EU, Japan, and even India.
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Re: You try to block everywhere you have influence (Score:1)
Re:If not the Chinese... (Score:5, Insightful)
But with dictator government under TRUMP
It's truly beautiful how you have the freedom to post on US websites that you think the current US president is a dictator. I hope some day citizens of Russia and China may have the freedom to complain similarly about Xi and Putin but it probably won't happen until well after their lifetime office holding is over.
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Russian citizens do complain similarly about Putin. Is it also beautiful?
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They also tend to get arrested, and sometimes poisoned.
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Not to mention shot.
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But if you're one of their nationals and you commit murder in the US, they'll be quite happy to help you evade justice [bbc.com].
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Russian citizens do complain similarly about Putin. Is it also beautiful?
That they get thrown in jail for doing it is not so beautiful but that they're brave enough to do it anyway is.
Re:If not the Chinese... (Score:4, Insightful)
Not for complaining on a webforum.
Otherwise Russia would have overtaken the US on the number of incarcerated people long ago.
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Not the average person, who are free to let off steam just like in the west. Things are worse if you're popular, famous or such and criticize Putin, which makes Trump envious as in America there are fewer loopholes in the 1st Amendment currently, but with all the activist judges being appointed to the Supreme Court, the types of speech that aren't protected is sure to grow beyond the national security, breaking sanctions and think of the children loopholes.
At least Russians are more free then ever, whereas
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Russian freedom: A joke (Score:2)
An American and a Russian meet up for coffee and learn from each other.
American: It is a shame you don't have any freedom in Russia.
Russian: How so?
American: I have the right and freedom to stand outside our government building and shout criticisms about Trump.
Russian (confused): We have much better freedoms than that. Not only can I stand outside the Kremlin and shout criticisms about Trump, I may even get a medal for doing so.
Re: If not the Chinese... (Score:2)
They lied.