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Paul Whelan, American Accused of Spying, is Said to Be Charged in Russia (nytimes.com) 167

Russian investigative agencies on Thursday indicted Whelan, a 48-year-old former U.S. Marine, on charges of spying, Interfax cited an informed source as saying. From a report: Mr. Whelan's lawyer, Vladimir A. Zherebenkov, who said he spent much of Wednesday with Mr. Whelan, said he had found his client in an upbeat mood despite the long legal road that he faces. "I was surprised to see him being so confident," said Mr. Zherebenkov, a high-profile criminal defense lawyer. Mr. Whelan, 48, the head of global security for the Michigan auto parts maker BorgWarner and a Marine Corps veteran, was arrested last Friday and is being held in solitary confinement in Moscow's notorious Lefortovo Prison. Russia's domestic security agency, the F.S.B., issued a brief statement on Monday saying that Mr. Whelan had been caught in "an act of espionage" but provided no other details.

Mr. Zherebenkov said that he had not seen all the evidence, but that he suspected that the American had been under surveillance for some time. "I presume that he is innocent, because for now I haven't seen any evidence against him that would prove otherwise," said Mr. Zherebenkov, who said that Mr. Whelan would petition the court for bail. Rosbalt, a Russian news agency close to the security services, quoted an unidentified intelligence source on Wednesday as saying that Mr. Whelan had been apprehended during a meeting with a Russian citizen in his room at the Metropol Hotel in Moscow. He is accused of trying to recruit this person to obtain classified information about staff members at various Russian agencies, the account said. Mr. Whelan was arrested five minutes after receiving a USB stick containing a list of all the employees at a classified security agency, the report said.

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Paul Whelan, American Accused of Spying, is Said to Be Charged in Russia

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  • Impossible! (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:43AM (#57898482)

    Next thing you know, they'll be accusing us of interfering with their elections!

    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      1990s called. They wanted to remind you that this is exactly what happened when Yeltsin got re-elected. It's not even contentious. Aid offered was direct and in no way hidden, because West had a massive interests in preventing the Communist party leader from taking the presidency.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    How do we know he's not a real spy? The Russians would have poisoned him.

    • How do we know he's not a real spy? The Russians would have poisoned him.

      You can't get a corpse to talk and give away information in exchange for freedom. He'll only be poisoned after he has sung.

      • Re:How do we know... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:54AM (#57898554)
        No, he probably won't be. The Russians want someone to exchange for Maria Butina. He's a pawn -- the Russians are good at playing this game.
        • This is true, they still remember very well how to play the Cold War game while we've miserably forgotten.

        • to exchange for Maria Butina

          Butina has been charged only with not registering as a foreign agent and the recommended sentence is zero to six months. In other words, Butina is not a "spy" the hysterical media claimed her to be, and she will be deported one way or another from the USA this year. So Paul Whelan is kept for a difference reason.

          • by T.E.D. ( 34228 )

            In the US, if you act as a foreign agent without registering as such with the US Justice Dept., you are considered a "covert foreign agent.". If you ever find yourself defending the nuance of difference between "covert foreign agent" and "spy", you really need to reexamine your priorities.

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by guacamole ( 24270 )

              There is a huge difference. "Foreign agent", covert or not, can be simply lobbying for, consulting for, or representing a foreign government or possibly just an individual. This occupation is not about gathering intelligence but more about being an ambassador for a foreign interest. If you want to define such foreign agent as a spy, then you need to examine your priorities because the DC and Acela Express corridor is filled with thousands of people who represent foreign interests and who don't necessarily r

    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:02AM (#57898608)

      How do we know he's not a real spy? The Russians would have poisoned him.

      No, they aren't crazy enough to kill foreign agents, that would open up a can of worms they don't want. They have no problem killing Russian expats though, and will do so publicly. Apparently if you are a former Russian agent or citizen who speaks out against Putin you have to stay away from doorknobs, tea, and people carrying umbrellas on bridges.

      • They are crazy enough to arrest foreigners suspected of spying and exchange them for their own people. (e.g. Maria Butina). This was common during the Cold War.
        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          "Cold" war, you insensitive clod? Goddam global warming denier.

          • "Cold" war, you insensitive clod? Goddam global warming denier.

            The world was colder during the cold war. Global warming hadn't reached current levels yet. WWIII is going to be blisteringly hot.

        • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

          They are crazy enough to arrest foreigners suspected of spying and exchange them for their own people. (e.g. Maria Butina). This was common during the Cold War.

          Oh, no doubt, especially since China is getting away with doing the same thing. But they won't kill him. That's how you get your own assets killed.

        • foreigners suspected of spying

          So what's wrong with arresting a foreigner that's suspected of spying? That's just crazy

    • The Russians would have poisoned him.

      Unfortunately, it gets even creepier . . . poisoning would have been a pleasant way to go.

      Oleg Gordievsky:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      . . . wrote a bit about the history of the KBG . . . in a training film, the recruits were shown a film of a "traitor", being blindfolded and handcuffed, and lowered very slowly into a blast furnace.

      • Re:How do we know... (Score:4, Informative)

        by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:32AM (#57898796)
        They supposedly burned Penkovsky alive, but Penkovsky was one of their own operatives who turned and spied for the West. i.e. he was a traitor in addition to a spy. Garden-variety Western spies were more valuable alive, as pawns to exchange for Russian spies.
  • in soviet russia we spy on you!

  • at the highest levels of both governments so that Trump can get his new orders.

  • ... ripped off, so now it's landlines, fax machines and human spies.

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:42AM (#57898860)

    I assume the US has a number of people tasked with spying in Russia - there’s no reason the Russians couldn’t have made a strong effort to locate an actual US spy, regardless of their motivation (to trade for Maria Butina or whatever).

    Right now we don’t have enough information to determine if this guy is likely innocent or guilty.

  • “Gov. Romney, I’m glad you recognize al-Qaeda is a threat, because a few months ago when you were asked what is the biggest geopolitical group facing America, you said Russia — not al-Qaeda. And the 1980’s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back — because the Cold War has been over for 20 years."

    Oops.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:48AM (#57898902)

    If the Russians arrest you for espionage, there are 3 possibilities:
    1. You are a spy and they have evidence. You're screwed.
    2. You are innocent, but the Russians are putting a number on you for some political reason. You're screwed.
    3. You are innocent. The Russians made a mistake. What are the chances the Russians will admit to that and lose face? You're screwed.

    • Yeah, actually I think really being the spy is the best situation. Because, you have the opportunity to get traded for another spy.

    • "3. You are innocent. The Russians made a mistake. What are the chances the Russians will admit to that and lose face? You're screwed."

      Chances are very good. Just imagine of all the exploding heads "Russians aren't evil....they let him go... what!?!!?" POP

    • Let's be honest, if you're arrested for espionage in ANY country, you're screwed. I'd love to see what happens to a foreign professional or a student who gets wrongfully arrested in the USA. You go bankrupt because of the legal red tape, you get kicked out of the university and/or you lose your job. Your car, home, and personal belongings will be repossessed and never be seen again, etc. Other than that, I guess it's all cool.

  • by guygo ( 894298 ) on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:54AM (#57898944)
    This is going to be great for American investment in Russia. What CFO or other company rep wouldn't want to be a pawn caught between Vlad the Impailer and The Orange Baboon? Oh and I'm sure China would l ike you to visit, specially if your company has invested heavily in Canadian companies. Yeah... book your dream vacation now.
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  • Bargaining Chip (Score:3, Insightful)

    by darth_borehd ( 644166 ) on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:14PM (#57899074)

    They trumped up the charges on him so he they could use him as a bargaining chip. The can now offer to release him in a big publicity show in exchange for Butina, another one of their people being held in the US, easing of sanctions, or something else to Russian interests elsewhere. It would look like the Trump administration liberated a marine veteran and Putin can get whatever he wants.

    • Even the mainstream media has made this point. It's pretty obvious what's going on.
    • Uggh, Butina is a small fish, and her recommended sentence is zero to six months. The only thing she was charged with is not registering as a foreign agent (e.g. what every second lobbyist in DC does)

  • LOL .. Lone nut/usefull idiot/patsy in the making. Please start addressing him by his full gravestone name already.. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Flammang Schrank .. You know the drill.

  • Paul Whelan is a Trump supporter. Let that sink in.
  • When we catch their spies, both nation will grab a high profile yank and then accuse them of being a spy and offer up a trade. Gets old, but it is the game. One big difference with this, is both used to be kept quiet like happens with China today. Now, Russia is using the media and plays it up. China still keeps it quiet so as to not spoke executives from western companies. And I suspect that America keeps it quiet because probably about 1/10 to 1/3 of the time, they are holding a spy.

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