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Microsoft Fights Fake News With NewsGuard Integration in Its Mobile Edge Browser (pcworld.com) 180

In a bid to fight fake news read while on your phone, Microsoft's mobile Edge browser on Android and iOS now includes the NewsGuard extension. From a report: The addition needs to be toggled on within the Edge settings menu to be enabled. Once it is, Edge will display a small shield icon next to the site's URL in the search bar: a green shield with a checkmark for a trusted news site, and a red shield with an exclamation point inside of it for a site that NewsGuard believes isn't always accurate. (Some sites haven't been evaluated, and these will simply show a gray shield.)
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Microsoft Fights Fake News With NewsGuard Integration in Its Mobile Edge Browser

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  • So, how much do you think it would cost for sites to pay M$ to trust it.
    I think somewhere in the $50000-$500000 range.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Slashdot: prepare to be BANNED.

    • They refuse to accept money from the sites they rate. Which makes sense, because it hardly seems the couple of million dollars would be worth the loss of trust that would cause.

      • It is a revenue stream.
        No way they are going to pass that up.
        Just look at adblock plus. You pay them money and they will show your ad.
        • They're revenue stream is "subsidized by Microsoft so MS can build marketshare on the mobile browser". You're not going to mess with that for a few grand.

          AdBlock Plus had no other revenue stream.

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        But, but, but, they have a history of being caught out lying. Oh I get it, newsguard, guarding you from the news, putting the bite on truth and making sure the leading US corporations decide what is and is not the truth for the rest of the world. Now just wandering, why I should consider US corporations as the gospel of truth, the holy church of news, whose words can never be challenged and you are sinners if you do not pray at their alters of truth.

        M$ Newsguard, yeah, fuck off M$, seriously think any thi

      • by torkus ( 1133985 )

        But does anyone actually TRUST Microsoft enough to believe they're an appropriate arbiter of 'true news'?

        Never mind that 'fake news' is now the exact same debate as the news topic itself in most cases. While it seems obvious to most people what would and wouldn't be 'fake news' that obviousness generally exists only in their personal perspective (and with the like-minded people they surround themselves with). There are countless examples these days where both sides know their opinio^^^^^^ facts are 'obvio

    • So, how much do you think it would cost for sites to pay M$ to trust it. I think somewhere in the $50000-$500000 range.

      They can pay ms as much as they want. Newsguard is a seperate company.

  • by cyber-vandal ( 148830 ) on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @03:35PM (#58010012) Homepage

    The UK Daily Mail, a well-known source of ill-informed and reactionary garbage.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      - The fact-checks behind 'The Daily Show's' 50 Fox news 'lies'
      By Lauren Carroll, Aaron Sharockman on Thursday, February 26th, 2015 at 3:00 p.m.
      The Daily Show posted a Vine Wednesday titled, "50 Fox News lies in 6 seconds."
      We’ve fact-checked almost all of the statements they cited. For the record, we originally counted 49 claims, not 50. The Daily Show said No. 50 was left off due to a technical error. They've updated their Vine, which we've included here.
      * * *
      1. "In July 2010 the government said small

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      The UK Daily Mail, a well-known source of ill-informed and reactionary garbage.

      And it's still one of the only sources in both the US and Canada that will cover topics in our own countries that the media(NBC/CBS/ABC/USA Today/Wapo in the US, and CBC, CTV, Global, Globe and Mail, Toronto Star in Canada), refuse to cover for various reasons. Mostly because "it makes illegals look bad" or "somethingsomething dats racist" crap.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      The UK Daily Mail, a well-known source of ill-informed and reactionary garbage.

      So for once, MS has made something that works. Jokes aside, NewsGuard isn't from MicroSoft, they've just included it by default in Edge. NewsGuard is an independent organisation founded by a pair of American lawyers and media entrepreneurs in 2018 that has criteria for judging the trustworthiness of news sites. The 1 star reviews for Chrome involve the words "Leftists" and "Neo Liberal" so that's a good sign the extension is pretty accurate.

      • by torkus ( 1133985 )

        So we're supposed to trust a bunch of LAWYERS to decide what news is real vs fake? ... and you blame the 1-star reviews on, well it doesn't matter, does it?

  • We should simplify this and instead provide a liberal or conservative flag. Unfortunately many people value political implications over the truth. It's the sad reality of living in a post-fact world.

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      It's not liberals or conservatives you have to worry about. It's the progressives, who just like the communists of yesteryear are lining up to redefine words and make sure you're guilty of a hate crime.

      • You make a good point.

  • by PhrostyMcByte ( 589271 ) <phrosty@gmail.com> on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @03:43PM (#58010096) Homepage
    Why Should You Trust Us? [newsguardtech.com]

    Because we are trained journalists who have spent our careers dedicated to the profession. We care deeply about reliable journalismâ(TM)s pivotal role in democracy. (In case youâ(TM)re wondering, our experienced journalists come from diverse backgrounds and have no political axes to grind.)

    Because you can see the credentials and backgrounds of everyone responsible for every NewsGuard reliability rating and Nutrition Label that you read. For the names and biographies of our staff and contributors, click here.

    Because we have an ethics and conflicts of interest policy to which all of our analysts and editors have to agree. You can read that policy here.

    Because we are totally transparent about how we make all of our decisions. Our Nutrition Label write-ups explain what is behind our decisions. We disclose and explain in detail the nine criteria we use to rate each news site on its journalistic practices. Weâ(TM)re not a black box algorithm.

    Because we make concerted attempts to get comment from every websiteâ(TM)s editor or manager before we write anything negative about the site, and always include the comment in our Nutrition Labels (or make changes after weighing the comment and realizing our initial conclusion was wrong). Algorithms donâ(TM)t call for comment.

    Because we will post any complaints from website proprietors about anything we have written about them. And we will answer them publicly â" and when warranted will make corrections, publicly, after we consider the complaint. You can read our policy for correcting errors or mistakes here.

    Because we accept no fees from the news websites we rate. (Our revenue comes from the platforms and search engines for licensing our ratings in order to include them in their feeds and search results.) We rate all news and information sites among the approximately 4,500 sites responsible for 98% of the online engagement in English in the United States.

    Because we do not collect any personal information of any kind from those who download and use our browser plug-ins. None. You can read our privacy policy here.

    Because bringing more information to people about the news sources they encounter online is our only business. Our success depends entirely on being trustworthy and reliable.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      In other words, not even worth the electrons it's printed on. [mintpressnews.com]

    • by slinches ( 1540051 ) on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @04:12PM (#58010338)

      My policy is to never trust someone who is making a point of trying to convince me they are trustworthy.

      Trustworthiness should be evident in your actions and no amount of assurances will be enough if that isn't true.

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        That sounds convincing, but I don't trust you.
      • Okay, say I have a new P2P technology I want to deploy, or end-to-end encrypted chat app (that has some feature missing from the current offerings.) What can I do to make you trust me, vs. explaining who I am? Like, it's great in theory, but I'm not sure how it works in practice.

        • In practice, not everyone is as paranoid as I am. If your product provides enough value, some others will be willing to take the risk that you and your technology are trustworthy. Your starting user pool will be a mix of people who already trust you and these naive fools ... err .... early adopters.

      • Trustworthiness should be evident in your actions

        Their actions are to tell you something. What basis do you then have for trustworthy? Remember that people's pre-concieved biases will then determine trustworthiness based on what ever you already believe to be true.

    • Because we have all had proper indoctrination into leftist politics, you can be sure all our approved sources unflinchingly follow right think. Our team of specialists is prepared to readily ignore all the mistakes friendly news sources make, as long as their bias agrees with us. We are also promise to categorize any mistake that slants to the wrong side as profound evidence for systematic banishment as fake news.
    • My question is... will the site red-flag websites that are leaning in their political direction, but are making up white lies, or will they let someone who is trying to step over the line with vague stuff get their way.

      I hope that they are able to call out anyone, regardless of side, trying to actively lie, or passively misrepresent stuff. However, I have doubts... I have lost respect for journalism as a whole, as formerly top notch news agencies have devolved into propaganda presses... and this is both si

      • So I haven't installed the extension, but I'm considering it. There are a couple things that make me feel good about the concept.

        First, this "why should you trust us" is actually a pretty good list of rules. If they abide by them, it'll be pretty sweet. The moment they break them, or appear to be bending them for a bias, they'll have lost all trust.

        Second, based on their samples [newsguardtech.com] it looks like you get a lot more than a little red flag -- you get a bunch of data backing up their decision, and can make your ow

        • First, this "why should you trust us" is actually a pretty good list of rules. If they abide by them, it'll be pretty sweet. The moment they break them, or appear to be bending them for a bias, they'll have lost all trust.

          Their rules seem pretty vague to me. Here's all I need to know to distrust News Guard: apparently they rated a Web site called "The Palmer Report" (which I've never heard of before). The Palmer Report complained, and News Guard published the complaint. Good for them, acknowledging all two complaints they received, but the response from News Guard is really stunningly inadequate [newsguardtech.com]. The Palmer Report made 12 specific points. The response from News Guard was, "this letter does not point to any specific errors."

    • "Because we are trained journalists who have spent our careers dedicated to the profession."

      That is as good a reason to dismiss "NewsGuard" as another horribly biased "journalistic" piece of nonsense. Look at how many "journalists" utterly and completely misfired on the Covington boys. CNN even mistranscribed Nathan Philips words in their own video to claim he was a Vietnam veteran when he never set foot out of the US according to the Marines authorities. Oh, wait, this is the CNN that has repeatedly been s

  • by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 ) <`gameboyrmh' `at' `gmail.com'> on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @03:46PM (#58010126) Journal

    The problem with this NewsGuard extension is that the more likely someone is to need it, the less likely they are to want it (and the more likely they are to actively dislike the idea of it).

    • I use it just to laugh it their left progressive biased
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @03:52PM (#58010180)
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    • by Anonymous Coward

      ... as opposed to the NeverTrumpers pushing Iranian propaganda from the NY Times? Or are you comparing them to the Chinese apologists at CNN?

  • by GregMmm ( 5115215 ) on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @03:57PM (#58010216)

    Who determines what is "fake news"?

    This should scare people. Don't they realize we are ASKING businesses/governments to make judgement calls of what is fake news? Translation: People are asking these entities to censor what they feel is fake news.

    This seems like a dangerous idea to me. Heavens know a business will not call something it doesn't like to be fake news. Nor would a government who doesn't agree with certain ideas would call something fake news.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Who determines what is "fake news"?

      NYT, WaPo, Guardian

      That's all you need to know.

      • WaPo runs anti trump stories daily because during the election Trump threatened to revoke their press passes.

    • Monoculture. Spend enough of the formative years of your life (ie most of your twenties) around loud people who think "there are two genders" is both fake news and a neo-Nazi dogwhistle and of course you'll start believing that 2+2=whatever the powers that be say it is. I'm not surprised. I'm saddened that the country I love has allowed itself to get so complacent that it has descended to this level of madness, but I'm not surprised. All this shoddy thinking is hardwired into the human mind. America just ha
    • Yeah, like we need yet another group to say what is real and what isn't. Maybe if critical thinking was taught in schools again then people could make their own decisions. I know it does suck having to read stuff from many different sites (from diverse viewpoints of course) and forming your own opinion from all the "facts", but better than relying on somebody else making that value call.

  • Yeah, sure (Score:5, Informative)

    by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @04:02PM (#58010250)
    BuzzFeedNews rated as trustworthy. Nope.

    I guess Microsoft is competing with Google in the Wokelympics.
  • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

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    • Breitbart an antidote to the mainstream... tell us more about being a "grown up human being", please.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      And in your 66 years you've learned zero about how to validate sources. Did you even bother to go and see what sort of affiliations the people making that assessment have? I'll give you a hint - it's not all from the left. Now I know that's an impossibility for you but for the rest of us we can see that when a pool of people from a broad political spectrum all agree that a site is untrustworthy, we're pretty comfortable with it.

      You continue to wear your blinders. It makes your world that much more comfo

    • Anything it claims is untrue, should probably be paid extra attention to so that you can get a sense of what the mainstream media is trying to hide.

    • by Pitawg ( 85077 )

      I am so happy to see you confirmed you see those that oppose your comments as other than sheep, unlike yourself.

      Very brave to admit such at the same time you are making as ridiculous statements they were.

      Bigotry was not new to him at election time, but you seem to have only started paying attention to him after that point. A lot must seem new to you these days.

    • by ljw1004 ( 764174 ) on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @05:15PM (#58010750)

      Yes, Breitbart has a right-leaning bias, but it's like an antidote to the main stream media's false and biased reporting.

      An "antidote" is a medicine you give to counteract a poison.

      What you describe is countering one poison (what you call MSM's biased reporting) with another (what you call Breitbart's bias). That's not an antidote. I don't think there's any case of using one poison to cure another poison, other than homeopathy. In the absence of antidotes, I think the only thing we have us dilution -- i.e. counter biased reporting by clinging to news sources that are as unbiased as you can find.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Overall Breitbart is trash. Maybe you can sift through it to find something useful, but I wouldn't recommend bothering unless you had already exhausted dozens of other news sources.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I'm sorry but I'll need to see your long form birth certificate before I can consider your opinion as valid.

    • Fake News separates people. How do I know you are not generating Fake News right now?

      I don't know what the end goal is, but this Fake News thing is an agenda of some sort.

      Back in 2008, I had a sudden realization that I misinterpreted. See, the price of rice was going up. Everywhere. The BBC did a VERY extensive story on it and did some researching in the story. Nobody from the farmers to the auction houses, to the end consumer, was benefiting from the rise in price... so where was the money going?

      And that i

  • to both talk shit about right-leaning news outlets and by their presence to make us believe we need some white knight (like NewsGuard!) to ride to the rescue.
  • What a nice feature . . if this was employed on any other browser besides Edge Mobile or even if this was an on feature.

    The people who would have this app installed and be included to enable this in settings represent the smallest market share also are probably the demographic least affected by Fake News.

    people-older-than-65-share-the-most-fake-news-study-finds [slashdot.org]

    For some hilarity, I would love to see the telemetry data on this. 0.00000000001% of market share.

    Thanks for trying Microsoft, but this
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  • This comes down to:

    If you want to believe it, no amount of other people telling you its fake is going to change things.

    I wish all people would approach all new with skepticism and do a bit of homework before believing mydumbnews.com, but that isn't going to happen.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Maybe we should stop giving credibility to bloggers, journalism hacks, and stories that lack any factual presentations. Some people seem OK with tabloid style journalism just because it supports their belief system. Doesn't matter if a hint of it is true, factual or has any real credible sources. So the solution is fake news filters? Maybe demand better journalism would be a better option.

    • Dunno what ass is modding you back down after I mod you up.
    • Maybe we should ditch the 24/7 news cycle, too. Where does this need for breaking news come from, anyway? Very, very few stories suffer for being held back for a couple days or a week to confirm facts, or to spend time putting the story in context.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    You should let the idiots talk and prove themselves idiots. More effective.
    Now, if the government and people are afraid too many will be fooled...then all that money they take from us by force to indoctrinate our kids must be getting wasted doing that instead of teaching critical thinking and other useful skills - we make them so stupid they take out huge non recourse loans and overpay to get degrees in things that there are no jobs doing, in an economy that now requires every adult in a household to hav
  • This seems like a good feature to make their browser more attractive. Do they still report everything you do and everywhere you go back to Microsoft?

  • by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @05:44PM (#58010966)

    They aren't real news, and they aren't fake news....
    they're satirical news for purposes of humor, with such absurd topics that any literate person should immediately recognize the article content as satire past the first paragraph or so, even if they were living under a rock and didn't know what TheOnion was. Are they going to get the dreaded "Fake News Warning" anyways?

    • by sad_ ( 7868 )

      from the newsguard site;

      "orange rated sites indicate satire sites"

    • by Shotgun ( 30919 )

      We have a sitting Congressperson telling us that the world is going to end in 12 years due to global warming. How exactly do we tell news from satire these days?

      • by mysidia ( 191772 )

        Which of TheOnion political headlines sounds more believable to you?

        Defiant Pelosi Begins Swimming To Afghanistan After Trump Denies Use Of Government Plane
        Lincoln Memorial Empty After Former President’s Statue Furloughed
        New Hampshire Legislature Passes Bill Naming Fentanyl State Opiate
        Presumptuous Congressional Freshman Thinks She Can Just Come In And Represent Constituents
        Poll Finds 100% Of Americans Blame Shutdown Entirely On Colorado Representative Scott Tipton
        John Bolton Insists Iran Likely Harbo

    • I am guessing The Onion will be called a legit news source. Here is an eerie example of their prescience, note that the article was written before any of the shit they mention happened.

      https://politics.theonion.com/... [theonion.com]

  • by AHuxley ( 892839 ) on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @06:26PM (#58011310) Journal
    by NGOs, NATO, think tanks, former US gov workers, former US go mil.
    With an OS level GUI direct over your browser on your smart phone.
  • They seem shady (Score:5, Insightful)

    by asdfman2000 ( 701851 ) on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @06:29PM (#58011320)

    For a tool that claims they care about transparency [newsguardtech.com] they really do their best to prevent you from looking up a list of sites and their ratings.

    If anyone is interested, I dug into the code for the chrome extension and grabbed their API URL so you can look up sites without having to install their extension:

    - Trusted: CNN [newsguardtech.com]
    - Trusted: Daily Caller [newsguardtech.com]
    - Trusted: The Independent [newsguardtech.com]
    - Trusted: Mother Jones [newsguardtech.com] (lol)
    - Trusted: Huffington Post [newsguardtech.com] (lol)
    - Trusted: The Daily Beast [newsguardtech.com] (lol)
    - Trusted: BuzzFeed News [newsguardtech.com] (ok this is just sad)
    - Not Trusted: Breitbart [newsguardtech.com]
    - Not Trusted: Daily Mail [newsguardtech.com]

    Looks fair and balanced to me.

    • Re:They seem shady (Score:4, Informative)

      by Ashe Tyrael ( 697937 ) on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @07:22PM (#58011646)

      On the other hand, they aren't wrong in some cases:

      From the Daily Mail results: "The site repeatedly publishes false information and has been forced to pay damages in numerous high-profile cases."

      Yup.

    • Re: (Score:1, Informative)

      by Paul Ryan ( 5425672 )
      You missed out https://www.dailykos.com/ [dailykos.com] from your list. A left-wing site. Don't you care about transparency?
      • My list was by no means supposed to be exhaustive. My intention was to give everyone else access to the API so they can form their own opinions. I suppose I could write up a script to generate a google sheet from every news source on google news / slashdot / reddit, or something, but I'm far too lazy.

        If it makes you feel any better, I'll drop the dailyKos one here.

        - Not Trusted: Daily Kos [newsguardtech.com]

  • Who evaluates the people who evaluate?
  • Anything that the media bigwigs don't like (ie anything not Leftist) will now be censored. Thank you for your cooperation.
  • For those that have not used Newsguard its a useful tool. Newsguard has done significant research and offers a comprehensive profile and a reason to believe/not believe the news source. If they come up with strikes against a news outlet they give that outlet the opportunity to refute their findings before the integrate the information into the their app.

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