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DC Cancels Comic Where Jesus Learns From Superhero After Outcry (theguardian.com) 348

AmiMoJo writes: A new comics series in which Jesus Christ is sent on "a most holy mission by God" to learn "what it takes to be the true messiah of mankind" from a superhero called Sun-Man, has been cancelled by DC Comics. The move follows a petition that called it "outrageous and blasphemous". The Second Coming series, from DC imprint Vertigo, was due to launch on 6 March. Written by Mark Russell and illustrated by Richard Pace, its story followed Jesus's return to Earth. "Shocked to discover what has become of his gospel," he teams up with a superhero, Sun-Man, who is more widely worshipped than him.
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DC Cancels Comic Where Jesus Learns From Superhero After Outcry

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  • Damn... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rnmartinez ( 968929 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:04AM (#58144610)
    This sounds like something I would totally read.
    • Well, there's always The Last Hangover on Netflix.

    • Re:Damn... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by psergiu ( 67614 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:27AM (#58144782)

      There's the Japanese version.
      Saint Young Men [wikipedia.org]

    • Re:Damn... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by EvilSS ( 557649 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:28AM (#58144792)
      Really? Because it sounds like hot garbage to me. I'm guessing DC agreed since they didn't fight very hard for it.
      • Really? Because it sounds like hot garbage to me. I'm guessing DC agreed since they didn't fight very hard for it.

        It all sounds like hot garbage to me... never personally understood comic book-love, but to each their own. A lot of people probably don't like what I like... ... nonetheless, them cancelling this will probably make whatever editions they've already published valuable in the future.

        • never personally understood comic book-love, but to each their own.

          There are good comics out there, even though superhero comics are usually rubbish.

    • Re:Damn... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Ragnarok89 ( 1066010 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:28AM (#58144794)

      This. I'm not a reader of comic by any stretch of the imagination, nor am I religious at all. However, the idea behind this story sounds intriguing. Not only would it be interesting to see what Jesus would think of what became of His Gospel, but of us as well. The idea of him having a discussion with a superhero who is "worshiped" more than Him sounds fascinating... Especially since the "worship" would be of a completely different kind.

      Imagine the discussion about superpowers? Gifts of God to a select few? Were they Chosen? Was it random? Did God have anything to do with it? Do superpowers make them "more" than Jesus is (given He can't fly, no super strength, no laser vision, etc). This would be an incredible analysis/discussion on what it means to be a superhero vs the son of God.

      I can only imagine some of the other discussions and story arcs that might have come from this premise. A shame we'll never know.

      • Re:Damn... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:38AM (#58144872)

        This. I'm not a reader of comic by any stretch of the imagination, nor am I religious at all. However, the idea behind this story sounds intriguing. Not only would it be interesting to see what Jesus would think of what became of His Gospel, but of us as well. The idea of him having a discussion with a superhero who is "worshiped" more than Him sounds fascinating...

        It would be difficult to write such a comic though that wouldn't fall into one of three traps:
        Preachy,
        Blasphemous,
        or Boring.

        If you get too much into moral conduct it could come across as preachy. If Jesus has any flaws, or resorts to kicking arse, it could come across as blasphemous... trying too hard to avoid either of the above could become boring.

        A skilled writer could probably come up with some very intriguing story lines as you suggest. But if a less than stellar writing team is involved if would end up a disaster.

        • Yeah, true it would be easy to botch but it should be out there. Seems like a waste of resources.
        • Re:Damn... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @11:33AM (#58145188)

          It would be difficult to write such a comic though that wouldn't fall into one of three traps:
          Preachy,
          Blasphemous,
          or Boring.

          Just stay clear of preachy and boring.
          Being blasphemous is more a virtue than a crime and has been a part of comedy for a long time.

          Either way I doubt it will be more outrageous than the source material.

        • If Jesus has any flaws, or resorts to kicking arse, it could come across as blasphemous...

          A non-blasphemous, flawless Jesus would be, pretty much by definition, both preachy and boring.
          Not quite sure why you would even list blasphemy as a 'trap'. Even though it's been done before, a blasphemous, flawed, kick arse Jesus would be the only hope of making any Jesus story even vaguely interesting. At the very least it might garner enough outrage to sell a few copies.

          • Flawless Jesus would not necessarily be boring, or preachy. In fact, you could make him very real human emotions.

            Imagine the struggle of always being perfect. It would be tiresome to everyone around him, and he'd probably be very lonely during large stretches of life.

            And he wouldn't be "preachy" because that has a definitive negative connotation. To come across as not "preachy", he'd have to have perfect execution in whatever he did.

            Writing such a character would be nearly impossible long term, as contradic

        • by Cryacin ( 657549 )
          You would think so, and you would be right until you figured out that true omnipotence brings impotence. It's a game of not exercising your powers, and rather influencing those around you. Very much like C-Level office politics. You rule the world, seas will rise when you give the word, and how many people need to die so that you can fish from your balcony?
        • It would be difficult to write such a comic though that wouldn't fall into one of three traps: Preachy, Blasphemous, or Boring.

          It would be hard to write one that didn't fall in to all three of those.

          • It would be difficult to write such a comic though that wouldn't fall into one of three traps:
            Preachy,
            Blasphemous,
            or Boring.

            It would be hard to write one that didn't fall in to all three of those.

            South Park managed to pull it off without falling into any of those three through the Super Best Friends. Nope, not blasphemous either; since you have to be religious to be able to commit blasphemy, due to it being a religious law and not secular.

            Or was Seaman blasphemy against poor Aquaman?

        • It's pushing the borders of that "blasphemous" label, but I'd recommend Adam Black's comic "Locus". The actual blasphemous parts are supporting details for a bigger story about the sort of things a deity might fear.

      • by glitch! ( 57276 )

        Do superpowers make them "more" than Jesus is (given He can't fly, no super strength, no laser vision, etc).

        Give Jesus the special power of knocking over tables with a wave of his hand and give him a magic bull-whip that glows when a banker is near.

      • until zealots burn your house down.

    • Holy shit. (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The Christians are acting as butthurt as the Muslims

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        You will note:

        1. There were no riots.
        2. No one died
        3. It didn't even make the national news until after the fact.
        4. There were no death threats

        Contrasts that with say, some series that portrays LBQTWERTY in a bad light.

        1. There would be protests.
        2. There would be boycotts.
        3. There would be mass Virtue Signalling on all the social media.
        4. There would be talk of how the LBQTWERTY is being attacked and could cost someone their life.
        5. There would probably be death threats.
        6. Some idiot Congressmaggot would tr

      • Re: Holy shit. (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        As a Christian, I say the concept is fascinating. Then again, I'm of the opinion that we've completely botched the gospel and the mission of the church, so " what would Jesus think of what we've made it today" resonates with me.

        That said, it would be very easy to muck up the writing for all the reasons posted earlier in this thread.

      • Except they haven't murdered anyone (that I am aware of) over a comic book.

    • I would have thought a graphic novel of where Jesus uses Linux to Hack the servers in Rome a more entertaining read.
  • by hiroshimarrow ( 5489734 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:05AM (#58144618)

    and someone would get crucified if it were one that was less forgiving.

  • Thor (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:08AM (#58144646)

    Well, if this is real, then it may finally be time for Norwegians to stand up and demand the halt of this blasphemous portrayal of Thor Odinson, the god of Thunder!

  • by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:10AM (#58144658)

    This is an april fools joke right? Who would greenlight this?

    Or did Southpark acquire DC comics? Will Jesus defeat Santa Claus?

    • In the middle of the comic they were planning to have a connect-the-dots Mohamed image.

    • Let's ask Brian Boitano!

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      It sounds kinda interesting. Say Jesus came back today, he would be competing for YouTube views with Beyonce and PewDiePie. Okay it's comics so it has to be a superhero in spandex, but the basic premise is there, and was probably an issue back in his time.

      These days there would also be a backlash against an SJW telling people what to do and making them feel guilty about stuff. Then there is the way his teachings have been re-interpreted and corrupted from their original meaning over the last 2000 years. The

      • Jesus wouldn't be gay, he'd be bi- or pan-sexual. Jesus loves everybody!

      • Re:April Fools! (Score:4, Insightful)

        by malkavian ( 9512 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:59AM (#58144982)

        Ah, you've fallen into the age old trap of believing that a deity/messiah would behave the way you want.
        I have a sneaky suspicion that the any returned Jesus would decry the SJWs as much as the political machinations of the church/political parties and the rest of the divisive ideologies.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Jesus went against the grain of society, stoop up for the oppressed, advocated equality and social justice for all, disliked the 1%... He even sent himself death threats and his followers have a near-religious fervour. Eventually conservatives got fed up with his BS and constantly claiming to be the victim - "waaah thy nailed me to a cross waaah!" Suck it up, Jesus.

          Sounds like an SJW to me.

    • I am a religious person, but I don't see this story blasphemous myself. Currently in our culture there is a disconnect between the teachings from the Christian traditions and the actual actions and call of actions from many predominate Christian leaders.

      I feel the outcry is because the hypocrisy that we all face is being exposed, and the one thing everyone doesn't want is to be shown that they are wrong or immoral.

      A lot of "Religious" people want is a simple If you do these things then you are good. Howeve

      • I am a religious person

        Why?

        • Only a little religious and not Christian but I will take a stab. For me, it's mentally comforting. And God is a personal and selfish concept for me.

          I understand it isn't necessary for others but it is for me. And it adds quite a bit of relief and quiet internal happiness to believe that there is a higher power above me; above all humans. That one day they would answer for their transgressions. And wrongs not as defined by me but as defined by a greater, more fair power. Kind of like an idealistic Judg

  • by ZorinLynx ( 31751 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:17AM (#58144706) Homepage

    "Outrageous and blasphemous"? Bring it on!

    There's always going to be some people who are pissed off at something. If you always listen to them, you'll never put anything out at all.

    They should have just doubled down and rolled with this.

    • by thereddaikon ( 5795246 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:47AM (#58144914)
      Easy to say when its Jesus and the worst you get is bad press. Show me how much you really believe in free speech. Do an arc on Mohammed.
    • by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:50AM (#58144936)
      It reminds me of when Kevin Smith made Dogma, which received similar backlash from Christian groups. Smith actually went out to one of the protests( which wasn't very large) and joined in with them, which was caught on film by a news crew [youtube.com] covering it.

      Comic sales are in the tank and I don't think Christians are the main customer base for DC. If anything, the extra attention would just drum up sales for the first issue because people would buy it just to spite the holier than thou religious types.
    • They ditched when they saw it wasn't going to do well; otherwise, they'd pull crap like killing Superman just to sell some more tired old crap.

      Hey, isn't Superman a SUN powered god? Didn't superman become a Jesus proxy? They didn't have the guts to use superman; it had to have crossed their mind.

      As stupid as it sounds it could have been funny to see a make over Jesus in spandex and a cape multiplying food and being a preachy un-dead immortal trying to appeal to little boys -- who tend to resolve their emot

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:19AM (#58144722)

    Whether it is middle-eastern suicode bombers, Vatican boy rapists, or this kind of fake-victimhood terrorism.

    Not being allowed to take the freedom of other people does not equal you having your freedom taken away, dear terrorists. It is not harm, to forbid somebody to harm you.

    And free speech is one of he most fundamental guaranteed freedoms.

    You even have the right to *say* you want to take the freedom of others.
    But we are not obliged to comply. And we have the right to say you are morons and terrorists.
    I know factual reality is not your thing, but in his case, such statements are not slander, as they are factually true.

  • Just like the Blues Brothers???
    • I consider it a missed opportunity to see Jesus with shades. Would've been the coolest messiah ever. And turned water to beer.

      I can only do that the other way 'round.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    This isn't completely new territory. Miracleman was notable for its release from the 'superhero' concept once the main character realized his life was a simplistic morality play written for children - and then decided to ACTUALLY start making things better for everyone.

    There's the usual beating someone with the same powers as them (basically superman), with horrific results, and then ... then they legitimately improve the world. Rebuilding, undoing death, creating a post-scarcity society, becoming part of

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:29AM (#58144802)

    You can have a Norse superhero, you can have a black superhero but god forbid we get a Jewish superhero!

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      Sorry to break your bubble. Superman was a Jewish immigrant [thedailybeast.com].

      Superman’s possible Judaism shouldn’t be a surprise. The hero’s creators, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, were the children of Jewish immigrants. The comic book industry, where they spent a significant portion of their young careers, was created in New York by Jews like Max Ginsburg, Bob Kahn, and Jacob Kurtzberg, who hid their ethnicity behind names like Gaines, Kane, and Kirby. Over the years there have been scores of books and articles on the subject with punny names like Up, Up, and Oy Vey or “Mensch of Steel.”

    • What about Bernie Sanders?
  • by pgmrdlm ( 1642279 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:31AM (#58144816) Journal
    Then they truly do not believe.
    I am religious, and have faith. But I also enjoy reading fiction that some would find blasphemy. What I read does not shake my faith. If these people are so offended, their faith has been brought into question. Then they are not as religious as they think they are.
    • yes, absolutely.

      I have a friend who's pagan (first nations; not new age).
      When the evangalists come by his house to proselytize, he asks them "Why should I believe in your God? You don't."
      Their response is generally a good indicator of the sincerity of their faith.

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @03:36PM (#58146898)
      it's about _control_. You want to be the exclusive source for comment and truth about your God so that folks have to get to God through _you_. Then you can charge them for the privilege.
  • I'm sad to see they buckled to a petition.

    To me the comic sounds dumb and offensive and likely to lose money, but it's far better to let the market prove this out than to preemptively censor them via an outrage posse.

  • So I decided I would rather keep the story intact,” he said. “Nobody really wants a watered-down, one-size-fits-none version of this story, so they graciously agreed to let me have it back We also want a publisher who can get it to fans in the near future, so we hope to be able to announce a new home as soon as possible.”

    It looks like the story will get out, just that DC didn’t want the controversy.

    CitizenGo claimed the decision as a victory, telling Syfy Wire that Second Coming

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      They petitioned Portland to drop ads on busses featuring lesbians, so I'm guessing they would take a dim view of Wonder Woman being one.

      Of course an impractical skin-tight costume is fine.

  • It's a film I really enjoyed.

    It's about a high school theater production where Jesus comes back but has to be cool and he time travels to save characters from Hamlet. Super well made (it's a movie with an actual musical at the end).

    "Rock me, rock me, rock me sexy Jesus!":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

  • by NEDHead ( 1651195 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:57AM (#58144966)

    Makes up stories, claims to do AMAZING THINGS, lies about where he spent the weekend, then wants 10% of your income.

  • Offense culture inevitably leads to blasphemy culture and these are early signs of this phenomenon. If West ends up living in Theocracy, we can all thank SJWs for that.
  • Yes how dare they (Score:2, Insightful)

    by DrXym ( 126579 )
    How dare they concoct a ridiculous fictional character and use it like this? I'm outraged. Also, the other character Sun-Man deserves a better story line.
  • At least, that's what they told me in religion class.
    Thus, those who call it blasphemy to show the Son of God taking a lesson from someone his Father created have told us that God wouldn't do that.
    Like us in all things but sin; unlike us in $act; therefore $act is sinful.

    I see their unspoken position--taking a lesson from you means I'm less than you; to show God as "less than" would be blasphemy.
    For them, hubris is a virtue (they call it being "righteous")

    In this case I can't fault them for hypocrisy; they

  • I think the religious fundamentalists and critics who are trying to stop Second Coming aren't interested in protecting Christ so much as their ability to control his narrative... They probably (correctly) suspect that it's not Christ who's being parodied, but themselves and how they've twisted his teachings of mercy for the powerless into a self-serving tool of the powerful. - Comic's Author Mark Russell

    breath of fresh air that.

    - js.

  • Um... Preacher? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Tyler Durden ( 136036 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @12:07PM (#58145418)
    Whatever you do, don't show these petitioners a copy of Preacher. Their heads would explode.

    On second thought, do. Do show them copies.
  • When reading the title i was expecting non religious people to be miffed by the intrusion of religious fanfiction in their stuff. Well, it was the other way around. But i know next to nothing to seperheroes and the public interested in them.

    Isn't all sort of advert a good advert ? Coudln't they sell the comic surfing over a wave of comical christfags whining ? For the fun of it ?

  • So, he was here before?

    Oy vey!

  • If we don't extend permanent copyright protection to the bible and derived works, then its authors will retroactively lose all their incentive to have created the work.

  • perhaps they could do a one pager where Sun-Man says 'look I am more popular than you', and Buddha replies 'Is that so?', smiles, and goes back to Nirvana.
  • Jesus is the third rail of popular culture - you touch it and you die - as John Lennon famously discovered [wikipedia.org].
  • by whitroth ( 9367 ) <whitroth@5-cen t . us> on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @01:26PM (#58146008) Homepage

    https://comixjoint.com/jesusco... [comixjoint.com]

    "If you liked the New Testament, you'll love this new, improved testament"

    Alternatively: Even the grave couldn't stop him - he's coming after you and he WANTS YOUR SOUL!

  • The SJWs (Super Jesus Warriors) strike again.

  • I can't believe they canceled a comic with such marketing potential.

    If I were in charge of DC I would not only have NOT canceled this comic, I would have made a special edition cover with sun-man in gold foil, Jesus in silver foil, and in big letters proclaimed it to be the "Blasphemous Solarity Edition". Probably only 500k run at first just to be a bit safe, charging $20 a pop. You'd sell 100k copies just to the people who wanted to burn a copy on YouTube alone!

    In fact that brings to mind ANOTHER brillia

    • Maybe they could just store it in a freezer, so as to keep it cold so it doesn't hurt precious religious snowflakes.

  • by MobyDisk ( 75490 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @02:13PM (#58146368) Homepage

    The characters are "Sun-Man" and "The Son of Man" *facepalm*

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