US Conducted Secret Surveillance of China's Huawei, Prosecutors Say (reuters.com) 106
U.S. authorities gathered information about Huawei through secret surveillance that they plan to use in a case accusing the Chinese telecom equipment maker of sanctions-busting and bank fraud, prosecutors said on Thursday. From a report: Assistant U.S. Attorney Alex Solomon said at a hearing in federal court in Brooklyn that the evidence, obtained under the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), would require classified handling. The government notified Huawei in a court filing on Thursday of its intent to use the information, saying it was "obtained or derived from electronic surveillance and physical search," but gave no details. The United States has been pressuring other countries to drop Huawei from their cellular networks, worried its equipment could be used by Beijing for spying. The company says the concerns are unfounded. Brian Frey, a former federal prosecutor who is not involved in the Huawei case, said FISA surveillance, which requires a warrant from a special court, is generally sought in connection with suspected espionage.
How ironic... (Score:5, Funny)
Don't use Huawei equipment because it's opening you up to being spied upon! How do we know? Well, we spied upon Huawei of course. Wait... Where are you going?
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Lots of bridges for sale recently. Yes, the US only started spying because everyone else was doing it, yep, uh huh. How will they prove it, why via the IP addresses they spoof, and no search, warrant no problem, now US search warrants work in any country in the world, especially the mystery FISA ones. So evidence that can readily be fabricated, that was claimed to be obtained upon an illegal basis, that supports US global dominance, is well, what it ain't is evidence, just more bullshit. The US governments
Re:How ironic... (Score:5, Insightful)
I think that US just wants less people using the Huawei network equipment with the Chinese backdoors in it's firmware, and the Cisco network equipment with the NSA backdoors in it's firmware instead. It just makes things a bit easier for our various three letter intelligence agencies. I mean, the Chinese keep changing the passwords on their backdoors, and it's a pain to have to brute force them instead of just looking them up in USpyWiki...
Re: How ironic... (Score:1)
The US was advocating Europe using European tech providers though.....
Europe threw Nokia and others under the bus and made it about the US being a bully in order to try to convince people Chinese made tech was ok. Huawei bribed the heck out of people to get that to happen, but it still happened.
What is seriously shocking from an outsider's prospective is how easy it was to get Europe to turn on itself. Everyone gets it, the US is a bully and don't do business with it, but shooting yourselves in the foot? Re
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Dude, are you drunk? Did you actually read what he wrote? I mean I'm high as hell and a little buzzed aiming for drunk... And I still don't get wtf your comment came from.
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I'd prefer being spied by USA rather than China, thank you very much.
Re: How ironic... (Score:1)
Lots of stupid on /. every day, you don't stand out at all.
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I wonder if it might help her avoid extradition. Seems like a good argument that she won't get a fair trial now that they admitted some of the evidence is secret and may hand been obtained illegally.
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Probably won't help her. It's only illegal when someone else does it. When the US does, it's perfectly fine. Just ask the US government.
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It's a Canadian court though, so if the spying was done outside the US (and thus almost certainly illegal in the country where it happened) that might help her case.
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My bad. I thought Canada had already decided to extradite her and we were talking about US courts. As you point out, that is not the case. So she may have a genuine chance.
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So you think canada doesn't spy?
Re: How ironic... (Score:1)
She will be Ok. The Chinese will just arrest a bunch of Americans and Canadians and arrange a swap.
Would not recommend traveling to China to do business right now.
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Frankly this is how things work when you're a hegemon. You get to make the rules and spy on everyone to make sure your world order is, well, in order.
In this case we had good reason to believe Huawei was trading with NK and Iran - And it turns out they were! There's also good reason that the party elite in China that have family ties to Huawei are a bit too cozy for comfort so we're suggesting everyone be not so eager to take up Huawei on their cheap telco gear.
You can whine and whinge about being under the
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What if. All of these china shill posts are actual chinese citizens trying to boost their social credit score.... I mean, its plausible.
Re: Equating the two is moronic, not ironic (Score:5, Insightful)
The united states has the largest prison population in the world by a huge margin
Re:Testament of Solomon (Score:5, Informative)
King Solomon worshiped Satan. Read the book yourself if you don't believe me.
Meh, I'll bite since this is some creatively "out there" trolling. You seem to be unaware that the book you're referring to [wikipedia.org], which is fictitiously/falsely attributed to Solomon by its actual author, was written a millennium or more after Solomon's death in a language that didn't even exist at the time of his reign. If you actually read it, you should have noticed the readily apparent Greek influence (e.g. mythological, thematic, and linguistic) that should have been a dead giveaway that it came much later and wasn't something he authored.
But hey, if you think that book is historically accurate, I've got a few other historical [wikipedia.org] accounts [wikipedia.org] that might interest you and are of similar levels of historicity. They really provide some insight into the period conditions of their respective times and places.
On the plus side, today I learned a new word from that first link: pseudepigraphical.
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I see the Prophet Solomon's (PBUH) name being brought up and falsely attributed to something which people have no knowledge about. Solomon never worshiped satan. Just to clear it up, this is the whole truth and nothing else.
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not, - Quran 2:101
And follow that which the devils falsely related against the king
Usual Red Scare (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't let China spy on you, let us do it instead.
Good. (Score:1)
Sense of irony? (Score:1)
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance (Score:1)
Multitasking.
It's legitimate. (Score:5, Informative)
The jobs of intelligence agencies is to keep us safe from foreign threats like China. For those who say, "oh how ironic" that is whataboutism because we're talking about China, an aggressive authoritarian nation with an awful humans right record (currently "re-educating" a million+ Muslims). If you are reading this then your country is likely either the US itself or a close ally of the US. Between trusting an ally and bellicose nation bent on expanding it's power at any cost, I will always opt for an ally.
USA Intelligence doesn't aid US companies (Score:1)
USA Intelligence doesn't aid US companies, unlike Chinese, France, Russian, Indian, Pakistani, Israeli, and most other countries intelligence services.
USA companies can sue the USGovt and often actually win their cases to NOT be forced to hand over personal data when they feel the request isn't specific enough or is outside US jurisdiction.
Have you ever, ever, ever, heard of a Chinese or Russian company doing the same? Hint. Nope.
When analysts in the USGovt intelligence services make a claim, outside any
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Damn this whole comment section is filled with pro US anti China propaganda. Da fuck is going on?
Your tax dollars at work.