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'Game of Thrones' Fan Petition for Final Season Do-Over Snowballs (variety.com) 494

A petition by an angry fan demanding that HBO remake the final season of "Game of Thrones" has now been signed by more than 502,000 people. From a report: Showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are the target of the petition, which asserts that the pair, who have shepherded the HBO hit from the beginning, "have proven themselves to be woefully incompetent writers when they have no source material (i.e. the books) to fall back on." The show first moved beyond George R.R. Martin's ongoing book series in the sixth season. The online petition, which was started on Change.org by a user called Dylan D., is titled "Remake 'Game of Thrones' season 8 with competent writers" and states that fans of the smash-hit show deserve "a final season that makes sense." [...] The petition originally began with a target of 15,000 signatures, which was reached on Wednesday. A revised target of 300,000 was surpassed Thursday, and a newly revised target is now aiming at half a million signatures. By 8:30 a.m. ET, the petition had been signed by 350,000 "Game of Thrones" fans, with the number of signatories continuing to grow rapidly. Just two hours later it hit 400,000 and by 02:10 p.m. ET it was up to 502,000.
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'Game of Thrones' Fan Petition for Final Season Do-Over Snowballs

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 16, 2019 @01:46PM (#58603712)

    Seriously? Whatever happened to just disliking a thing? Why does everything have to have an online movement?

  • by amorsen ( 7485 )

    Just wait till next episode when the fans discover that Jaime Lannister survived. That will make the petition go crazy.

    • Just wait till next episode when the fans discover that Jaime Lannister survived.

      Sandor Kligane as well. In Game of Thrones, it's always seemed like - if you aren't beheaded, you're likely to return at some point.

      But this petition... I understand their frustration, but do they honestly think it would go better the second time around?

      • Re:Spoiler alert (Score:5, Interesting)

        by lgw ( 121541 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:32PM (#58604042) Journal

        I understand their frustration, but do they honestly think it would go better the second time around?

        Well, if GRRM ever gets off his fat ass and finishes the series, it will go much better the second time around. I thought we'd never see the series finished, but now I have hope this ending will piss off GRRM enough to get him back to the typewriter he lost somewhere in his piles of money.

    • Re:Spoiler alert (Score:5, Informative)

      by lgw ( 121541 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:30PM (#58604022) Journal

      If you liked GoT season 8, you'll love the new Star Wars movie D&D were given.

      Fans: The Last Jedi was the worst Star Wars ever.
      Bob Iger: Hold my beer!

      • If you liked GoT season 8, you'll love the new Star Wars movie D&D were given.

        Wizards of The Coast are making Star Wars films now?
        I assume there will be a flashback scene on The Falcon with the droids and Chewie playing Magic...

        That’s cause a droid don’t pull people’s arms out of their sockets when they lose...

      • Why they couldn't have just turned the Star Wars movies over to Dave Filoni is beyond me...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 16, 2019 @01:49PM (#58603722)

    I didn't think the last season is that bad? Gotta end it somehow, and while I was mildy bummed at the night king episode, I didn't think the rest of the season has been bad.

    • by Hasaf ( 3744357 )

      It is too bad you did this as an AC. I am also not finding the final series to be bad. The characters are still behaving in a manner that is consistent. The purpose of this season is to tie things up and eliminate the loose ends. It seems to be doing that well.

      • So like the last five minutes of a Star Trek episode.

        The last 'plot complication' shows up, they 'reverse the tachyon stream' and viola, everything neet and done.

      • Not an AC, not seen last episode but have enjoyed it so far. But then again I watch stuff meant as entertainment to be entertained, not to dissect every minutiae of every episode like those stupid fucking aftershows that follow every broadcast of them.
      • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:34PM (#58604058)

        It is too bad you did this as an AC. I am also not finding the final series to be bad. The characters are still behaving in a manner that is consistent. The purpose of this season is to tie things up and eliminate the loose ends. It seems to be doing that well.

        It's been 4 days since the last episode but I'm warning anyway: SPOILERS!!!!

        People seem to be flipping out about that fact that none of the prophecies are coming true. And I wonder, maybe that's the point. How are people hundreds or thousands of years ago really going to get predictions right? We are not what people foretell us to be, but what we make of ourselves. Arya was supposed to be a lady, she's a badass assassin. Jon was supposed to be just a bastard son, now he has the best claim to the throne. Dany was going to unite the Seven Kingdoms and free the oppressed and decides to go crazy. Jaime had a clear path to redemption but gave it up. Tyrion could have been nothing more than a drunk, forgotten embarassment but is now apparently the only Lannister left and has shown he actually cares for others-something very unLannister-like. They've all had to make choices, and it's those choices that are defining them.

        • So, so well put. It's been great for that reason in my eyes too, their choices have been sometimes unpredictable and sometimes predictable. But their choices have been the only thing that the show has gone by.
        • Prophecies are bullshit, and GRRM has beaten people over the head about that. But people still cry about Azor Ahai and the Prince that was Promised and Jaime killing Cersei because they're morons.

      • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

        Daenerys actions, torching innocents are hardly consistent.
        Cersei's demise was written by someone with no imagination.
        Arya saves the day with an attack on the Night King that's totally out of character
        The battle against the Night King was filmed by some moron who thought we should all squint at the screen and see nothing because he wanted it to be "realistic".
        Bran, for all his foresight, did next to nothing other than act as bait.

        Maybe they'll surprise me in the final episode, but for me, this season has be

    • Emilia Clarke actually did a really good, believable job when she went postal in the last episode. And yeah, it fits with the whole Targaryen thing. So other than the "reunion" aspect the season was taking, it's not as bad as the last 2 seasons.

      (this is of course contingent on her not waking up in a sweat, because it all just a bad dream on the eve of battle. If that's the case, then.. well i have no words)

      • by mandark1967 ( 630856 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:59PM (#58604242) Homepage Journal
        The Bob Newhart ending...That's exactly how it should end. But it's Bran who wakes up from the fall after being pushed by Jaime.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 16, 2019 @01:49PM (#58603726)

    Says a lot about the culture of USA today. GIMME GIMME GIMME

    • GIMME? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:56PM (#58604224)

      These people are asking to pay HBO for another year (or two) to maintain their subscriptions til GOT8(revised) comes out. HBO would be stupid not to do it. They were already planning like 5 spinoffs. How often do companies get the ability to immediately do a reboot by 500,000 customers demanding to keep paying them??

  • This is stupid (Score:3, Informative)

    by Arkham ( 10779 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @01:50PM (#58603732)

    None of these douchebags could do better. I've enjoyed this season as much as any other. The biggest complaint that I've heard that's valid is that they moved the story along too quickly. We went from "Winter is here" to "Winter is over" to "Dragon queen is nuts" in three episodes.

    • I think that is the whole problem, it is too quick, 2 episodes of nothing happening just waiting for the battle. A battle where you knew what was going happen, they even stated it in beginning that there only hope was to kill the Night King. 7 years of buildup comes down to a few seconds of the Night King being killed. The dragon queen went nuts too quickly too, oh she saw home and decided to kill everyone, not take her dragon and go after Cerci, no she left her alone. You could have had her win the battle

      • The main problem I see is that the series followed the books more or less to the last written book (5), A Dance with Dragons. There were two more planned books and two more TV seasons from that point; however, there were a huge number of storylines to resolve including the battle with the Night King and who was going to take the Iron Throne. It was going to be a monumental task to resolve 6 seasons of character stories in two seasons.
        • by dasunt ( 249686 )

          The main problem I see is that the series followed the books more or less to the last written book (5), A Dance with Dragons.

          Kind of. A fan theory gaining traction is that the show made a critical misstep when it dropped Young Griff. Without Young Griff, Dorne wasn't relevant, and the Lannisters are still the power in King's Landing. Young Griff was in book five, but dropped from the show, and it appears that Cersei took over for him (Golden Company, power in the South, etc).

          In the books, Dorne is alm

    • by Zocalo ( 252965 )
      That's the crux of the problem. Visually, it's just as good as ever - better even, thanks to advances in CGI - but the pace is causing the sorts of issues. If you take a scene on it's own and consider the lines that are spoken and the way they are delivered they're still highly effective, and they still pull some truly stunning visuals like the Dothraki charging the undead. It's like the characters don't have smooth arcs any more so much as a few points on the same arc that are joined up with straight lin
    • by labnet ( 457441 )

      Yep, we only started GOT 6 months ago, so the pacing change is even more nuts to us. Its like they are fitting in half a season per show, or JJ Abrams got hold of the script.

    • You'd think GoT fans would have learned that good fantasy stories can be stretched [wikipedia.org] too [wikipedia.org] far [wikipedia.org]...

    • Re:This is stupid (Score:5, Insightful)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @04:49PM (#58604862) Homepage Journal

      * Spoilers *

      There were some really bad bits of writing. One of the stand-outs was when Dany's second dragon was killed off. Somehow the fleet of ships managed to stay hidden, even though it was right next to her former stronghold, and hit a moving target at considerable range from a moving platform, with weapons that clearly could not reach that far.

      It was incredibly lazy and actually made the next episode suck too, because now one dragon is taking out the entire fleet and the rampart mounted bolt throwers without getting a scratch. Why not have that be the point at which her second dragon is killed off, then the snap decision to torch all the innocent citizens would have made a little more sense too.

  • ... the show lost its momentum, and expectations grew disproportionally, when it took the hiatus. That happens to the best of 'em.
  • by stikves ( 127823 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @01:53PM (#58603758) Homepage

    When writers are changed during airing of the series, the storytelling usually take a different turn. This was expected after running out of the original material. And it happens in all kind of mediums, so I would suggest the fans to just move on, or wait for the books to be written, which would probably be much better to their liking.

    For example:
    - Anime does filler episodes, or even seasons when they catch up to Manga. I used to just skip over them most of the time and don't consider it part of the story. Here being the final season I think it would not apply
    - Video Games do this on occasion. The largest outrage was over Mass Effect 3, which had led us fan to believe our actions mattered (that was the main theme), but we just got pallet swapped R/G/B endings. Outrage did not help much, since the updated DLC endings were rehash of the same thing

    Anyways, get a life and move on, there are always more entertainment to consume.

  • by skam240 ( 789197 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @01:54PM (#58603762)

    I really wonder people's lives are like who get so upset over nonsense like this.

    I say this as some one who does watch and enjoy GOT.

  • The first sign the show was in trouble was last season, where they shortened the number of episodes by three. At the drop of a hat, Snow is on a first name basis with the conniving head of state who burns men alive with her dragons and orders crucifixions.

  • by UnknownSoldier ( 67820 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @01:58PM (#58603790)

    MayuLer has a good video analysis of everything wrong with S8 E3's clusterfuck. [youtu.be]

  • by bettodavis ( 1782302 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:00PM (#58603802)
    A queen character that has murdered others in cold blood because they oppose her in the past, and every time it was fine, but now she does so again and suddenly it's "out of character". Give me an effin break.

    Daenerys' whole character arc has been about challenging expectations about women in power and doing what it takes to seize that power. Frying some peasants and nobility in King's Landing included.
  • I think George R R Martin who wrote the books in the series is very much involved in the TV series on HBO, and aware of everything.
    He has even co-written several scripts in the series, in season 6 on-wards -- which are set after any of the original published books in the book series.

    I therefore see it as very probable that whatever the petitioners are complaining about -- is something that Martin has OK'd. It is possibly something from Martin's mind in the first place.

    Personally, I don't care. I'm a fan of

  • Remember when the solution to something going the way you like is to just not like the thing anymore? Or maybe to write fanfic? Now it seems that the solution is to sign a petition for a complete do-over, or to perform a shitty fan edit to make the movie more in line with your political agenda [pride.com], or to form a political movement to purge the thing you used to like of all the heretics that you think are spoiling it [wikipedia.org]. And this is not leading us to better results as a culture, at all.
  • by mykepredko ( 40154 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:12PM (#58603880) Homepage

    It's unfortunate that the decision was made to break up the last book into two seasons. I think everything could have been brought together in Season 7 and there wouldn't have been any complaints as long as the following changes were made:
    - I thought Season 7 dragged in places and could have been tightened up by one episode.
    - The first three episodes of Season 8 could have been compressed into one and I think things would have flowed better. Ideally the battle should have taken place during the day but I guess the Night King wasn't going to work with the camera crew.
    - It was a bit of a leap for Daenerys to go full paranoid city-burner but the hints were there all along. Losing Missandei unhinged her.

    Maybe HBO felt that putting everything into Season 7 was going a bridge too far, but splitting things the way they did dragged some things out a bit too much.

    Regardless, people are complaining about something George R.R. Martin has been writing for 23+ years. If you don't like how it ends, then spend the next twenty five years of your life coming up an epic medieval/fantasy series and get it right (in your mind) - I suspect that after you do that and it is filmed, you'll find 300k people complaining about the story.

    • Actually, the story has vastly deviated from George R. R. Martin's books and vision. The first few seasons were great, specifically because they roughly resembled the books. At this point there aren't any books to follow and thus the show is as good as it possibly can be under in the hands of HBO. This is truly the best they can do.
      • Where has the story "vastly" deviated? There are a few subplots missing and I don't miss Brienne's walk about in Book 4 but I think it's been pretty faithful.

    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

      - The first three episodes of Season 8 could have been compressed into one and I think things would have flowed better. Ideally the battle should have taken place during the day but I guess the Night King wasn't going to work with the camera crew.

      I don't get why people thought it was so dark. I could see fine. Also, if you look, the Night King never attacked in the day. It was always at night or morning/dusk with a snowstorm. Not to mention, your army is literally zombies, and half of the effectiveness of fighting the dead is that they are dead, and having a dead guy pop up on you at night is much scarier and more effective. My only problem was that he pulled the classic evil villain blunder. Shoulda just let his undead horde rip Brann apart in

      • What I heard was that most of the people complaining about the darkness were watching the episode on a laptop.

        I use a projector and could see everything fine.

  • by Merk42 ( 1906718 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:16PM (#58603902)
    "It's just a show, I should really just relax."
  • by mykepredko ( 40154 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:18PM (#58603916) Homepage

    17,400,000 people watched this past episode of GoT and 500,000 are complaining - that's less than 3%.

    It was startling to see Daenyrs going all Aerys on Kings Landing, but it's not totally surprising given her history and what she's experienced.

    I'd say a pretty good majority of people were shocked but are interested in seeing how things end.

    • 17,400,000 people watched this past episode of GoT and 500,000 are complaining - that's less than 3%.

      It was startling to see Daenyrs going all Aerys on Kings Landing, but it's not totally surprising given her history and what she's experienced.

      I'd say a pretty good majority of people were shocked but are interested in seeing how things end.

      I just hope George R. R. Martin (a) bothers to finish the series now that he's rolling in cash and (b) doesn't feel in any way constrained to follow the HBO series. The books are fantastic and I'd like to see him finish out his vision.

  • you haven't been paying attention" - Ramsay Snow/Bolton

    This is a series that has built itself upon characters giving in to their inner demons.

    • When Arya killed the Night King and allowed everyone to continue living, scheming, betraying and killing each other for centuries to come, now , there's your "happy ending".

      Or as close as a happy ending a George R R Martin story could be.

      Or were they expecting a classical Jon marries Daenerys scene, where they end up petting Drogo like a puppy and everyone laughs?
    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

      you haven't been paying attention" - Ramsay Snow/Bolton

      This is a series that has built itself upon characters giving in to their inner demons.

      The showrunners have also said they don't expect everyone to be happy with their ending.

  • The last episode (4) was a perfectly fine episode. There was nothing out of character or otherwise totally unexpected about what happened. There had been numerous hints and foreboding that this could and probably would happen. It made sense, at least from the perspective of the antagonist and their previous behavior and the events that had unfolded recently.

    However, episode 3, The Battle of Winterfell, was problematic in many ways. I tend to be a stickler for half-ways realistic action sequences in which pe

    • Many of the strategic decisions were just idiotic.

      Right, like a cavalry charge in the dead of night across frozen tundra against an army of undead, which includes giants and dragons.
      etc

  • There is literally soooo much content out there now. I don't understand why people spend time on something they claim not to like. By the way just because you enjoyed the first 7 seasons of something does not mean that you MUST watch the 8th if its not a satisfying experience for you!

    I grew up watching Star Trek TNG; Loved DS9 and even liked Voyager; Loved going back and watching classic Trek and the original Six movies. (Well I was old enough to see The Final Frontier and The Undiscovered Country in the

  • by nwaack ( 3482871 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:56PM (#58604222)
    As someone who doesn't watch the show, it seems I can't visit a single news site without seeing something (or many somethings) about Game of Thrones. This includes /. now apparently.
  • by Diss Champ ( 934796 ) on Thursday May 16, 2019 @03:01PM (#58604252)

    HBO is planning spin-offs anyway. If enough people are willing to sign a petition like this AND ARE REALLY WILLING TO KEEP PAYING HBO LONGER just to see it, HBO would probably be happy to give them whatever they want. They could always do the "JR wakes up and last season was a dream" thing:).
    The only real issue is if too much of the cast is too sick of the whole thing for the money to be worth it to them.

    The whole thing is just about maintaining subscripts and other sales avenues for more money after all.

    At least that's my view as one not biased by having watched the show yet since I am still waiting for the books.

  • THAT would be soo awesome. Maybe a robot alien time traveler inside the dragon! Too much?

  • It's too bad the fans of the Sopranos didn't think of this!
  • I've seen dozens of petitions on the site that gathered an incredible following, but I can't think of a one that actually motivated any change, and I'd be skeptical if any exist at all where it wasn't going to happen already.

    I'd give it less of a chance of making a difference than a "We the People" petition

  • The count is over 500,000 people now. If they want to tell HBO to fix this, they aren't doing it right. If all these people cancel their HBO service immediately, HBO will notice. Losing half a million subscribers overnight would hurt HBO significantly and they'd need to do something quickly. These fans won't accomplish shit with petitions and open letters.

    Of course, this is assuming they are all valid individual subscribers. If the subscription count is closer to 50,000 or less, then the impact on HBO will be that much less.

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