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Citing Requests From People, FujiFilm Decides To Bring Back Its Black and White Film (dpreview.com) 74

AmiMoJo shares a report: Fujifilm has announced it will re-start black and white film manufacturing this year and will bring out a new version of its former Acros film. The new NEOPAN Acros 100 II will feature finer grain and the company claims it will be the sharpest black and white film on the market. The film will initially go on sale in Japan, with expansion to other markets depending on demand. In a press release on the Fujifilm Japan website, President Kenji Sono explains that after the company stopped production of monochrome film last year many of its users asked for production to be started again. Part of the issue for the company, he says, was that some raw materials in the film were hard to source. For the new film alternatives have been found and the production process radically changed to account for them.
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Citing Requests From People, FujiFilm Decides To Bring Back Its Black and White Film

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  • by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Friday June 14, 2019 @04:59PM (#58764250)
    Vinyl records, tube amps, and now this? Surely people must see this is a sign of our brains devolving into mush.
    • What this all comes down to is the Millennial generation's subconscious desire to return to when America was a much better place to live in, with more freedom and better economic conditions, and when these older technologies were commonplace.

      The problem is that these Millennials don't realize that their left wing politics are causing the very problems they're now trying to flee from by desiring older technologies from America's Golden Age.

      Millennials push for open borders, not realizing that flooding Americ

      • by jythie ( 914043 )
        Ahm.. isn't it conservative that want to return to their golden age?
    • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Friday June 14, 2019 @05:23PM (#58764386) Homepage Journal

      Photos are cool because they have great resolution, and if you print them on good paper, they can last incredibly long — longer than most types of digital storage media. Black and white is cool because you can develop it yourself at home with relatively benign chemicals, and simple equipment. Tube amps are perfectly valid, so long as you don't think they have more accurate sound. But vinyl is just nostalgia.

      • by Raidion ( 1568981 ) on Friday June 14, 2019 @05:30PM (#58764414) Journal
        Vinyl is more like a typewriter, where listening to digital music is a bit more like a modern word processor. I'm not a big vinyl junkie or anything, but I know a few, and it's benefits are a lot more subtle. You're allowed to be completely unconnected, which feels like a bit of a rebellion and keeps conversation focused on offline things. You also get the physical ritual of rifling through a set of records, finding the one you want, replacing the record, etc. It's a moment that keeps you very present, and that's what people enjoy. You get some weirdos who feel like vinyl sounds better, but for most people I know, the fact that it plays music is almost just a plus.
      • But vinyl is just nostalgia.

        That's for sure. I'm just old enough to remember the dying days of vinyl and the emergence of CDs. Before CDs the people that wanted quality music that lasted bought their music on open reel tapes. The people that just wanted music got it on vinyl, because it was cheap. The compact cassette was a compromise for the people that wanted music on the go, because open reel was too big and vinyl couldn't take bouncing down the road.

        The more interesting ways to get music on the go were just things I read about

        • I also don't understand why a company doesn't release vinyl FLAC files. Capture it at like 24bit/96khz with the finest ADC and turntable that money can buy and the laws of physics dictate you're getting just as good of an experience.

          Whatever "Warmth" or "Dimension" that vinyl offers will be perfectly captured in the FLAC file.

      • longer than most types of digital storage media.

        The ability to copy bit perfect however trumps any longevity of negatives as you can keep an ever new copy on current media.

        Black and white is cool because you can develop it yourself at home with relatively benign chemicals, and simple equipment.

        There is absolutely nothing benign about black and white developers. For that matter they are no better or worse for safety than colour chemicals, a process which is nothing more than repeating the black and white process 3 times, and having a waterbath prepared to ensure all developers are at the same temperature. Colour developing is easily done at home, and with either process glove

        • by dwywit ( 1109409 )

          "Relatively benign" was the statement, and B&W chemicals *are* relatively benign, compared to colour chemicals, which are quite nasty.

          Perhaps it would be better to say that B&W chemicals are *less* dangerous than colour.

          I think it was only kodachrome that had the three-step process for colour development. It had to be re-exposed to coloured light during one phase of development.

          Colour neg and paper went: first developer, stop, colour developer, stop, bleach, fix, wash. They were also *relatively* fo

          • by dwywit ( 1109409 )

            I just remembered - reversal film has a final stage after wash. It's a rinse in a "stabiliser" solution which contained formaldehyde - more of a preservative treatment, but I guess "stabiliser" sounds less scary.

            B&W process doesn't have that. B&W images are formed by metallic silver, colour films & prints have the silver bleached out, and what remains is dye - which will degrade much faster if it isn't given the preservative treatment. Metallic silver doesn't need a preservative.

          • Some manufacturers of color negative/print chemicals went to a lot of trouble to simplify and speed up the process, dropping the stop bath and combining bleach and fix into a single step.

            Anscochrome color reversal film had as a last step a stabilizer that included formaldehyde. Ciba had an ultra-stable color reversal paper process so toxic that they included a special chemical in the amateur processing kit, to be mixed with the other chemicals after use to detoxify them.

            On the black and white side, underexp

      • Photos are cool because they have great resolution....

        It's becoming more difficult to find film data sheets these days, but you would do well to read some.. The resolution figures are poor (in comparison to digital) for any film that isn't so slow that it's inconvenient to use.

        • by dwywit ( 1109409 )

          In the 35mm world, yes. Not so for medium and large format film.

          Anyway, how many people (outside commercial photographers) own printers that can print at raw resolution levels? Very few - so most of that detail is thrown away when the image is printed.

          And let's not forget the resolution of computer monitors, that carry even less detail.

        • Most black and white photos are of still subjects, and film speed is of no consequence. For color, of course I use digital.

        • by cwatts ( 622605 )

          I was the guy who set up Tim Burton's Corpse Bride to shoot on consumer digital still cameras instead of motion picture film. In the process of testing cameras, we compiled a reel with similar short animations shot with all the cool digital SLRs of the day (this was like 2003) . As a control, we shot the same animation with the film camera. We sent all the digital frames to film, and printed them and the film originated clip to be reasonable similar in color and exposure. We put them up in the s

    • Vinyl records, tube amps, and now this? Surely people must see this is a sign of our brains devolving into mush.

      So if someone wanted to:
      Own and use a flintlock rifle
      Restore a 1938 Ford Coupe
      Play guitar on a 1955 Gibson Goldtop

      That means their brains are mush?

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Continuing to manufacture very mature technology, because some people prefer it over semi-finished "modern" stuff? You still use a manual hammer occasionally, do you? You know, there are "modern" alternatives available. Why do you not use them? Right.

    • Vinyl records, tube amps, and now this? Surely people must see this is a sign of our brains devolving into mush.

      I see it different. To play with the old stuff kinda says you're not a muggle. To be fair, to build the new stuff you can't be a muggle either.

      To stream takes no talent. To play it on a boombox or phone with earphones takes no talent.

      To play records takes a good turntable, and that's not plug-an-play-set-and-forget. Hi-fi is a very nerdy hobby, fiddly, and if playing with tubes, potentially lethal. It requires mechanical sensitivity and .. well, nerdy skills. It also requires inquisitiveness (isn't th

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      The irony is that during those times people were obsessed with the newest technologies.
    • I am waiting for the return of wax cylinder [wikipedia.org] and Nipkow disk [wikipedia.org].
  • A while ago I used to shoot the APC format (film in cartridges). Fuji made some nice higher ISO film but they also made some really excellent B&W film that had a great look.

    I still will not go back to film personally but I can for sure understand why anyone with a slight interest in film photography would want Fuji to make that film...

  • Good for them. Being that it's classic artsy crap, they can charge a fortune for it. What they couldn't give away 20 years ago, is now worth $50 a roll now. A fool and their money are soon parted.
    • You can develop B&W film yourself [bhphotovideo.com] with a few chemicals. It's slides and color negatives which required more sophisticated developing methods. You don't even need a darkroom. Just a light-proof bag [bhphotovideo.com] to transfer the film from the cartridge to a light-tight canister. The can is designed to allow you to add the chemicals to the film, without exposing it to light.
    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Re "Good for them" People want that leica look back.
      Not the filters modern camera systems have.
    • A fool and their money are soon parted.

      It is foolish to engage in a hobby you enjoy in your own way?

      • by dwywit ( 1109409 )

        Perhaps those who've never experienced the "old" technology are feeling defensive about their ignorance of it. Digital image technology is fantastic, but then so is using a film camera. They scratch different itches. Show a monorail plate camera to a digital elitist and watch the confusion on their face.

        Also, watching a print form in the developer bath is better watching it emerge from an inkjet. Why? You'd have to experience both to understand.

  • Darkroom magic (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Camembert ( 2891457 ) on Friday June 14, 2019 @07:18PM (#58764976)
    I see a lot of scepticism here. Yet, working with black and white negatives, printing on nice paper in the darkroom is magical, wonderful. The results can be awesome by any standard. Esp. If you use an old and now cheap medium format or larger camera the tonality of the images is splendid. Plus, it is a wonderful way to slow down and relax, much more satisfying than binge watching a streaming tv show. Also the photo taking process is slower, more thoughtful.
    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      There is a certain irony that the 'hipsters suck' crowd are so obsessed with what is popular. They really seem to have trouble with the idea of people doing what they personally find fun rather than the current trendy tools are. This happens every time a photography product or topic comes up that isn't the latest electronic technology that doesn't really produce better pictures but is 'new' and 'high tech'.
    • It is magic.

      I used to shoot 2 1/4 film and did a lot of editing/placement under the enlarger.

      Watching the image appear when the paper is immersed in developer is really amazing.

    • by Jamlad ( 3436419 )
      Agreed. Even if you don't self-develop, film photography forces you to slow down and compose the shot. Depending on the circumstances you might only get one shot. Furthermore, the joy of getting the roll back from the lab is tremendous. Each roll contains 36 surprises because you never know how they'll turn out when you took the picture. You have no preview (beyond the viewfinder), and people just treasure them more when you show them.

      The act of actually sitting down and going through a stack, the tactil

  • Absolutely the best fine-grain B/W film.

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