They Want To Believe: People Gather Near Area 51 To 'See Them Aliens' (theguardian.com) 143
Hundreds of people arrived early Friday at a gate at the once secret Area 51 military base in Nevada at the time appointed by an internet hoaxster to "storm" the facility to see space aliens and at least two were detained by sheriff's deputies. From a report: The Storm Area 51 invitation spawned festivals in the tiny Nevada towns of Rachel and Hiko nearest the military site, and a more than two-hour drive from Las Vegas. The Lincoln county sheriff, Kerry Lee, estimated late Thursday that about 1,500 people had gathered at the festival sites and said more than 150 people also made the rugged trip several additional miles on bone-rattling dirt roads to get within selfie distance of the gates.
An Associated Press photographer said it wasn't immediately clear if a woman who began ducking under a gate and a man who urinated nearby were arrested after the crowd gathered about 3am Friday. Millions of people had responded to a June internet post calling for people to run into the remote US air force test site that has long been the focus of UFO conspiracy theories. "They can't stop all of us," the post joked. "Lets see them aliens." The military responded with stern warnings that lethal force could be used if people entered the Nevada Test and Training Range, and local and state officials said arrests would be made if people tried.
An Associated Press photographer said it wasn't immediately clear if a woman who began ducking under a gate and a man who urinated nearby were arrested after the crowd gathered about 3am Friday. Millions of people had responded to a June internet post calling for people to run into the remote US air force test site that has long been the focus of UFO conspiracy theories. "They can't stop all of us," the post joked. "Lets see them aliens." The military responded with stern warnings that lethal force could be used if people entered the Nevada Test and Training Range, and local and state officials said arrests would be made if people tried.
Do they have any Green beer? (Score:2)
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Like the little green men would drink?
Actually, yes.
Bud Light [twitter.com] And my guess is you would have to be from another planet to choose to drink Bud Light.
Also a bunch of other companies are in on the act
The Area 51 event this weekend shows that marketers can make a killing on the absurd [cnn.com]
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And so it begins (Score:2)
They can't hold them all back.
The final truth will be revealed, I for one am not going to leave the house this weekend.
Re:And so it begins (Score:5, Funny)
"They can't hold them all back."
Yes, yes they can. I assure you they can.
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If anything the desert will hold them at bay.
Running in the Nevada desert after a night of drinking. What could possibly go wrong.
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Na, it'll just be two guys with a truck and a plywood street barricade saying, "Sorry, you have to turn around, this street is closed today. Have a good day."
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Yes, yes they can. I assure you they can.
Yes, but would they?
Is Trump really going to get away with tweeting "What did they expect?"?
Re: And so it begins (Score:5, Insightful)
No he wouldn't Are you people so detached from reality that you actually believe this shit?
Re: And so it begins (Score:4)
Oh bull fucking shit. He hasn't ordered the killing of anyone in cages, much less children. It is this kind of deranged thinking that just goes to show how sick the left has become with the blind hatred of one man. You lost an election, your birthday wasn't taken away nor where any of you put against the wall and shot. Get over it.
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We lost an election. And now you fully support the caging and killing of innocent children.
AND you now also support trafficking young girls to private islands to be raped by rich men.
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You are fucking deranged. That is all there is to it. You should seek professional help.
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Trump's first act as commander-in-chief was to order the military to make a Seal Team 6 strike on a wedding. The military commanders advised against it, but Trump wanted to feel like a big boy and kill some brown people. It was a slaughter and after the dust settled there wasn't a single terrorist in attendance. Multiple children and many innocent people were murdered.
And you didn't waver in support a second because it was just brown people.
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Oh, no he couldn't do the same for men. At least not white men. Women yes, men no.
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And besides if there is any evidence the government has evidence of alien's they are not storing that evidence at Area 51. It is nothing but a big honey pot which keeps people from looking else where.
Everyone knows the aliens were moved from Area 51 to Hangar 18 at Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio long ago anyway. I believe the latest story now is that Hangar 18 was also emptied out and now they keep them at Dugway Proving Ground.
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I heard they were shacked up at MySpace corporate HQ, and that they spend a lot of time complaining that FaceBook hasn't gone into the dumper yet because those are much nicer digs.
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Yes, yes they can. I assure you they can.
Well, they could use the alien technology to beam them through the Star Gate to Antarctica.
But that would be a giveaway.
So I'm thinking they will use Soylent Green style people scoopers.
The Area 51 employees will enjoy tasty barbecue for lunch on Monday.
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No need to hold them back, they just need a series of signs reading "Area 51 this way --->" leading the crowd in a large circle until they get tired.
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>And what exactly are we supposed to do about laws that were passed before we were born, or before we were 18?
Vote. Become informed. Convince others. Don't act entitled.
>There is nothing in place to *easily* handle revoking / changing laws that the majority of the population no longer agree with.
By design. For every bad law you quickly change and dismiss there will be many more bad ones enacted to "do something" while "thinking of the children" or some such emotional garbage that consolidates power.
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To be honest, these sort of laws are justifiable. For example, should every Tom, Dick and Harry be allowed to run loose in a nuclear plant, including in the reactor? It seems reasonable that you can tell someone "you can't go in there", and it's not really infringing on their "rights". It's a shared world, there was never a right to go anywhere, do anything. And a military base has dangerous equipment in it, which may be expensive, delicate, and should only be operated by trained personnel. It seems reasona
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Repealing a law is exactly as easy as passing it. If you can''t elect a legislature that will do so, well, that's your answer right there, isn't it?
Re: And so it begins (Score:2)
That's called a Sunset Law [britannica.com]. They're more complicated than you realize once you realize that many laws are further amended later, and affect other laws. Unwinding the whole mess can be daunting.
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A person cannot be born into a contract or legal agreement with another private party.
United States citizen are bound by the laws of the United States. If they are natural-born citizen, then, yes, they were born with that obligation.
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Yes, but citizens (including natural-born citizens) do not lose that obligation just because they are not currently in the US, unless they renounce their citizenship (which they are free to do).
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It's obvious from your response that you don't live in the United States?
American citizens have rights, those rights in many cases have limits to them. For example, yelling certain words on an airplane or in a bank will get you put in jail. Wahhh...but my free speech!
"our right and responsibility to oversee our government" - does the constitution say we get to do this on an individual basis or is it the job of our elected representatives and senators?
I'm not sure whether you believe this or not, but the U
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I do whole heartedly agree the crooks are in charge, on both sides. And they are all afraid to do anything unless Daddy Don says they can.
That's a strange way to spell AIPAC.
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Yeah, "my personal right to go into the police station and root around in the evidence box to see what they collected". We don't have such that right, and for a good reason. If we allowed that, criminals send someone in to steal, or contaminate, evidence.
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Yes. Protecting military secrets is that important.
As is making an example of the stupider ones in order to save lives in the future.
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Careful with that ax, Eugene. The soldiers patrolling the area around are 51 are protecting America's most sought-after military secrets. Anyone that tries to pass the perimeter may as well be a 9/11 hijacker - the soldiers aren't going to hold back any bullets.
Besides, once you pass the human guards, you have to deal with the aliens. They can use their mind to interfere with your brain's magnetic waves, and send you running into the ocean forgetting who you are, what you are and where you are.
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Anyone that tries to pass the perimeter may as well be a 9/11 hijacker - the soldiers aren't going to hold back any bullets.
I half wish that would happen, the political shitstorm afterwards would be worth it.
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I doubt there'd be any political fallout over soldiers protecting a military base, from what will be presented by all media outlets as "a bunch of alien nutters", more or less.
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I doubt there'd be any political fallout over soldiers protecting a military base, from what will be presented by all media outlets as "a bunch of alien nutters", more or less.
Yeah...but then again you just need one mother in tears after losing her only teenager in the front page.
People won't feel for those morons, but they could feel for their relatives.
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But it won't be a *political* issue, because you can't really come up with any party angle on that. The same as shootings by police are an issue, but people don't really switch political parties because of police shootings.
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You mean, "Military Guns Down Harmless US Civilians"? Much better headline.
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They won't be looked at as harmless, when they're storming a military base, any more than the current terrorists look when they're trying to storm a military base. It's not a repeat of Kent State, this is a military base.
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So that they don't have to face accusations of gunning down "harmless" citizens, each fallen protester will have placed next to them a gun, an explosive device, or a printout of an encryption algorithm.
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All they would need these days to be considered a terrorist is a newspaper.
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They don't even have to do that. If you storm a military base and refuse arrest, then the military was only doing their job. Gun or no gun.
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They can't hold them all back.
"Watch this!" says the base security commander with the radio in his hand... "Do it" he says into the radio..
Re: And so it begins (Score:2)
Daisy cutters can hold back lots of people.
This is open desert, no cover, and is a live fire range.
Good luck. The guards will see you coming 2 miles away.
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You've never seen an M60 machinegun in action, have you?
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You hear one shot from in front of you.
Someone ten metres in front of you goes down, screaming. Do you :
It's a hard choice, isn't it? Only one of those outcomes will let you find out if the victim is acting (an agent provocateur primed to go off after warnings and a starter pistol), or has been h
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UFO doesn't mean aliens. In fact it means the exact opposite of aliens. You see, UFO stands for something that is unknown. If you know it is alien, it is no longer unknown...mutually exclusive.. Hahah. .
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mod I4ko up.
The temp is amazing (Score:2)
That is crazy. Its still summer and will be for another month or so.
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My biggest take away from this article was the fact it was 45F (7C) overnight
Does that surprise you for some reason? It's a desert climate, after all. Almost nothing there to retain the heat once the sun sets. People die of hypothermia on occasion in such areas.
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We're seeing cooler temperatures up here in Washington, too. And unseasonably large amounts of rain.
It's really wreaking havoc on our forest fire season.
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45 is balmy - might not even need a coat for that for short duration...
Got down to 30.7 here last night and has been between 17 and 21 several times this month.
Still doesn't match the real North in the dead of Winter, but surprise at a temp of 45? Nah.
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That's how deserts are (Score:2)
Deserts have wide swings in temperature. Chilly temperatures at night are quite common, while it still roasts during the day.
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70F sounds nice, but according to Wiki they're at an elevation of 4840 ft--almost as high as Denver, the "mile high city". If the air is dry, the moisture will still get sucked out of you and you'll work up quite a sweat. They'll need a sweater *and* plenty of sunscreen and water as well as shorts. Anybody from back east who isn't in good shape will get whacked by the elevation and atmosphere. As another poster said, the desert will stop them before the military does. The rain is an interesting wrinkle
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My biggest take away from this article was the fact it was 45F (7C) overnight That is crazy. Its still summer and will be for another month or so.
That's because while a couple of dozen lackwits were milling around outside that base, hundreds of thousands of people per city elsewhere in the world were protesting the lack of action on climate change.
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What are you talking about? Summer ends in 2 days. And most people consider summer to be between June 5 and Sep 5
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The 60's are enough for the hoodie.
50s I am adding a second later
40s I am bringing out the winter jacket
30s I stay inside. Its to cold out there.
Never lived any where but in a sub-tropical environment at sea level.
Oh they will see stuff, even inside stuff... (Score:3)
They will see sand, scrub brush, and snakes. Then when they cross into the restricted zone they will see MP's with guns, followed by an up close look at the sand while they are laying face down getting handcuffed. After that, they will see the inside of a bus, the inside of a jail cell and the inside of the court room where the government will look inside their bank accounts and unless they have enough to pay the fine, they will see the inside of that jail cell again.
Yea there will be a lot to see.
where's the guns? (Score:2)
Trolling opportunity (Score:2)
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A good light show in the other direction would not only distract people away from their original objective, but it would give people some satisfaction for all their efforts, and would probably also be more cost-effective than deploying lots of personnel and tear gas.
Benefit to humankind. (Score:2)
If the military had a sense of humor... (Score:3)
...they'd get a human-sized little-green-man pool toy, fill it with helium, tie it to a Humvee and drive it out to the protesters. Then announce over the loudspeaker "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!? IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE!?"
Looking forward to this (Score:2)
Not because I am there (although I do love the desert), but I am sure someone plans to prank them all with a large drone with glowing lights.
100,000 in Sydney (Score:2)
and you cover this?
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Protesting against climate change does absolutely nothing. Just like the protests against the World Bank and IMF did nothing (remember those? that was hip about 10 years ago). It is just virtue signaling. If you want to do something about climate change you need to do something other than just complain about it.
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So, something like guilt Bezos into purchasing 100,000 Rivian electric trucks ...
Already did that.
Next!
I stand corrected (Score:3)
Some idiots did actually show up. I guess I was wrong.
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I'm not an idiot! Now hold my beer while I go over this fence...
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Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
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posting selfies near gate is fine, legal and didn't hurt anyone.
Oh, sure (Score:2)
"They’re not going to find what they’re looking for, and they are going to get angry."
Of course they would say that.
Why no toll booth? (Score:2)
What's wrong with US citizens storming Area 51? (Score:2)
The US Military is a professional force. It's not like the US Military is going to shoot, kill and, maim fellow citizens whilst violating their human or constitutional rights, even if ordered to do so.
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Yes it is. If you set up an experiment to find something, and you don't find something, then that's evidence that something doesn't exist. If you set up 20,000 different experiments, testing all kinds of predicted features of that something, to find the thing that you are wanting to find, and you come up with nothing every single time, then that's evidence that something doesn't exist. Eventually, if you find enough nothing a rational objective person has to consider the likelihood that something doesn't ex
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Looking for something and not finding it is no absolute justification for believing it does not exist, but in certain circumstances it is a rational basis for belief in non-existence.
Suppose somebody told you there was a hundred carrot diamond somewhere on a football field. If you combed every square inch of the football field without finding it, it would be reasonable to conclude that the diamond is probably not there, although it is possible you overlooked it.
If you spent the same amount of time looking
Re: Want to believe! (Score:2)
The fallacy is that you are looking for ONE Dallas May. Extra terrestrials don't work like that. There are countless billions of stars in our own Galaxy and nearly every one of them have at least one planet in the habitable zone. So we are left with two choices
1) Our biological intelligence as a species is unimaginably special and so rare that we are the only ones
2) We are not special at all and there must (statistically speaking) be thousands and thousands of species like us
SETI isn't looking for "Dallas M
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"For aliens, we can say that there has been a lack of evidence of aliens that would do certain things or use certain tools and therefore those types of aliens probably don't exist."
I'm fine with that modification, however the next question will be "What other tools do we have to look for them?" If we accept that aliens aren't using tools that we are using to look for them, and we have exhausted all of our tools, then what's the difference? That's the same as the argument of "Well they might just be too far
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Yet this belief is somehow considered by many academics to be more rational than a belief in a God of traditional religions because... reasons.
Because it would fit within our understanding of biology and the laws of physics, and there is some precedent.
HTH
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Sure. But yet, we do not have a shred of evidence to show for it. Just you, me, all the rest of humanity sitting around looking up into the stars like a bunch of ass holes.
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We have plenty of evidence that the laws of nature are the same everywhere in the Universe. We have found about 4000 planets around other stars, at least one of which has water vapor in its atmosphere. An interstellar comet that just arrived shows similar composition to solar system comets. So far the evidence is pointing to life should be common in the Universe. Intelligent life willing to talk to us is another matter. It hasn't been ruled out, but we also don't have evidence pointing to it aside from
Re: Want to believe! (Score:2)
All of that is true. It would be logical to believe we aren't the only ones.
But yet, here we are. Sitting around debating each other online like a bunch of ass holes without a shred of evidence to show for it.
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If there were "Intelligent Life" then why would it want to talk to us? That would be comparable to us wanting to talk to an amoeba. It seems perfectly logical to me that if "Intelligent Life" exists in the Multiverse that it would have no interest whatsoever in talking to us.
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If there were "Intelligent Life" then why would it want to talk to us?
"Good boy! Now roll over... good boy! Now sit!"
What, you don't think we can be trained?
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Yet this belief is somehow considered by many academics to be more rational than a belief in a God of traditional religions because... reasons.
Possibly because the God of traditional religion is capable of producing literal miracles which are literally impossible. Advanced aliens with actually *supernatural* powers (as opposed to merely having a deeper knowledge of nature) would be considered equally improbable.
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one of my favorite thought experiments is to think of a "god" who's actually a very intelligent being, and he's thinking "what if I created a universe". Now, for an intelligent-enough being his mental simulation of the universe he *could* create would actually be a perfectly detailed simulation in itself, indistinguishable in all details from the real thing. So a sufficiently omniscient being just speculating on the possible universes which *could* exist would, inevitable "create" those universes just by th
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The point here is that if you already have am omniscient being, then that being *wouldn't need* any additional powers to bring the universe into existence, so doesn't actually need to be omnipotent or able to create/manipulate matter. Occam's Razor: omniscience is enough to simulate the whole universe, so any further abilities of "god" are not required.
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Stranger things have been believed in religions.
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Sure, but that's irrelevant.
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Same deal. Stuff is being believed without evidence and more often than not against all evidence. Gods, aliens, conspiracy theories, it seems humans need fairy tales to be happy.
Re: Want to believe! (Score:2)
Fairy tales, maybe. But I would argue it's more about inclusion. Did you watch that Netflix doc about flat earthers? Ultimately the thing that makes people flat earthers isn't skepticism or cynicism, it's the comrade they build with other flat earthers. Same is true with church, if you've ever tried to get to know a Christian. The vast majority don't go to church because they actually believe the stuff, they go because it's a close knit group of people that aren't just there to take your money and sell you
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Also note: they're super-advanced galaxy-spanning aliens who just happened to crash and had their technology stolen by primitives, and apparently can't get it back.
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An annual alien festival near area 51 would be good for humanity. It would help renew interest in space and the unknown, give nerds another outlet, give tourism dollars to the town, and it would be fun!
I believe Roswell has a festival every year.
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An annual alien festival near area 51 would be good for humanity. It would help renew interest in space and the unknown, give nerds another outlet, give tourism dollars to the town, and it would be fun!
I believe Roswell has a festival every year.
The sure do, it's in July next year 2020 UFO FESTIVAL [ufofestivalroswell.com]
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