Walmart Will Stop Selling E-cigarettes (cnn.com) 112
Walmart said Friday it will stop selling e-cigarettes as the number of deaths tied to vaping grows. The decision from America's largest retailer may influence other stores and marks a significant blow to the vaping industry. From a report: "Given the growing federal, state and local regulatory complexity and uncertainty regarding e-cigarettes, we plan to discontinue the sale of electronic nicotine delivery products at all Walmart and Sam's Club US locations," the company said in a statement. "We will complete our exit after selling through current inventory." Earlier this year, Walmart raised the minimum age to buy tobacco to 21. The changes took effect July 1 at all American Walmart and Sam's Club locations. The company said at the time that it would stop selling sweet-flavored e-cigarettes, which have become popular among teenagers. The eighth person in the United States died Thursday from lung disease related to vaping, according to Missouri health officials.
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Stop selling handguns - so you mean that I can order a Tank at wally-world?
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Good offtopic thread, I can literally smell the vaper PR trolls.
So what is going on, quite simply the vaper ass hats were having a little nicotine tug of war for addicts. The more nicotine the more addictive and the other companies vapes simply do not feed that addiction in quite the same way. So trying to win over the addicts with higher and higher doses and don't you know but nicotine is quite toxic and will kill you at higher doses.
Now if the FDA can prove this and demonstrate intent to exploit that add
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According to the NIH, "Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking;".
Current "DEATH TOLL" for this omg outbreak that's sweeping the nation and killing our youth whom we must protect!!! -- 8.
Fucking 8 people. This is an epidemic worthy of attention from Washington and our Cheeto-in-chief, huh? Have to stop selling those tasty flavors of e-liquid 'cause THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!
Oh yeah? how about all these flavors?! Like lemon, lime, lemon-lime, orange,
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Won't argue "more difficult to use in close quarters", but hunting rifles are sometimes semiautomatic (in other words, IDENTICAL in function to "assault weapons"), and fire just as fast. And while you would have a hard time finding a ten round magazine for your average deer rifle, five round detachable magazines aren't unknown - and swapping magazines isn't a seriously time-consuming action w
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While a bear may eat you, he won't build a Soviet, an Empire, a Deep State, or a system of crony capitalism on your back and without your consent, either.
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Oh, there's your problem. You honestly think the things you use to fight back against the bear is of any use against that other stuff.
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Certainly those who comprise "that other stuff" believe it to be the case.
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Yeah, don't you dummies know that the govt, in the ridiculous case of a US civil war which will never happen but let's pretend, will just drop nukes on you? Let's see your guns beat a nuke, gun-boy!
PS: I'm mocking you, not them. Small arms would of course be effective in any hypothetical but ridiculous US civil war.
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The problem with the Gun Debate is there are so many stupid people on both sides of the debate.
I don't have problem with Guns. However if it is a high capacity semi-automatic rifle that is no longer a tool. It is an instrument of killing people.
Including yourself it seems. Let's break down the terms and get edjamacated:
high capacity - ahhh war cry from anti-gun people. Limiting the number of bullets in a magazine doesn't make a gun less deadly. It's NOT like in the movies where the slide locks back after 10 minutes of shooting at each other then the Good Guy (tm) takes the last shot and kills the Bad Guy (tm). Also, changing a magazine takes - at most - a few seconds. If you think some miraculously uninjured person is going to realize, be in a position to act, decide to do so, and then get to the assailant in time then you're still watching too many movies
semi-automatic - FML another misguided war cry. Just because it has the word 'automatic' in it doesn't mean it's a semi-machine gun and thus a loophole in the laws banning select fire guns. It's not. That's not AT ALL what it means. Most hand-guns are semi-automatic. Many (probably most) rifles are too. Examples of firearms that are NOT semi-automatic: A bolt action rifle. A pump-action shotgun. Moving on from this stupidity.
rifle - ok, i'll give you this o...oh wait. The significant majority of gun deaths (or, separately but similarly gun homicides) are caused by hand guns, not rifles.
So your string of buzz words that you don't understand led you to a conclusion based on fantasy and your confirmation-biased beliefs. A rifle can be used for killing people, hunting, target shooting, or collecting (people collect far stupider things after all) and more. But it requires a user to decide which and uneducated, fear-mongering people seem hell-bent on forcing their literally incorrect beliefs on everyone out of some sense of misguided moral outrage.
For the children now...don't forget to throw that in too.
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Hell, I believe the shooter in that last tragic FL school shooting actually WAS using 10 round magazines....but that wasn't widely publicized.
I guess it doesn't fill the narrative.
But its all words. I mean, 30 round magazines for many modern rifles has been STANDARD capacity for decades.
Its only recently the people problem has krept up and whack-o's are going out and trying to c
Confirming - 10 round magazines (Score:4, Insightful)
I can confirm that the parkland shooting was done with 10 round magazines [miamiherald.com] - results were not materially different than 30 round magazines would have had.
"Cruz went in with only 10-round magazines because larger clips would not fit in his duffel bag, Book said."
A number of other shootings have been done with 10 round magazines, and in a number of school shooting with higher capacity magazines, it was found that the shooters were "tactically reloading" as they moved, changing magazines with less than 10 rounds fired for fresh ones when no targets were present.
Yet...we didn't see people going berserk and shooting up malls back then, even though we had the same weapons and they were easier to attain.
Actually we did. One particularly horrific case had a guy wandering around with a 10 gauge shotgun. He was eventually stopped when a civilian got a shotgun of his own from a local store and shot him. The guy was shooting just one barrel at his targets then reloading. He'd only shoot the second barrel if a threat appeared.
It was just that news back then was much more local in nature, and lower population levels meant that it did happen less often. Today, we hear about spree killings from around the world. Back then? If it wasn't in your city or state, odds were it was a byline.
Re: And they'll pull "violent video game displays" (Score:2)
This, right here.
These shootings are a symptom , not the problem. We have gradually disassociating ourselves from humanity for 3 generations now. Today's "Yutes" have little connection to their humanity to the point they see people as objects.
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The reason high-capacity magazines are being targeted by the anti-gun folks is because nothing else has worked. So it's not like people don't know it's absurd.
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...However if it is a high capacity semi-automatic rifle...
Including yourself it seems. Let's break down the terms and get edjamacated...:
Raise your hand if you see the phrase "high-capacity semi-automatic rifle" and you picture either a Tommy gun [wikipedia.org] from the '30s or Rambo with a belt-fed M1919 machine gun [wikipedia.org] (and an unlimited supply of ammo)?
I'm pretty sure every person advocating for "common sense gun control" just raised their hands.
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I'm see you can be pedantic.
Do you think a citizen with an assault style weapon is going to stop the government, if the government REALLY comes to take your guns? Let's be honest, AR-15s and the like were designed for killing as many PEOPLE as your skill permits. They are not toys or sporting rifles or what ever else you might call them. They were made for war and slightly modified so ex-military, paramilitary and the paranoid can play soldier or prepare for end times in their private lives.
I'm sure you'
Re: And they'll pull "violent video game displays" (Score:2)
Actually, all men between 18 and 45 years of age are in the inactive militia. Given a judge recently ruled that exempting women from the draft is unconstitutional, I'd say all women in the same age class are now in the militia as well.
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The idea that citizens would ever in large have to face down some large armed force to take their guns is a fallacy. Because the large armed force would inevitably be the ones defending the right to bear arms.
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"The significant majority of gun deaths (or, separately but similarly gun homicides) are caused by hand guns, not rifles."
That's a "bit" of an understatement. According to the FBIs statistics you're around 17 times more likely to die via a handgun vs a rifle. You're literally more likely to be killed by stabbing OR blunt objects OR by hand than to be killed with any rifle.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-t... [fbi.gov]
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I'm not convinced that someone can reload so quickly without a fair amount of practice. Like you say, it's not like in the movies where some guy just ejects his magazine and in an instant has a replacement in and firing without barely a pause.
And we've certainly seen at least a couple of cases of people intervening and escaping when a shooter was reloading.
Heroes of Tucson Shooting: 'Something Had to Be Done' [go.com]
Woman Stopped Tucson Shooter From Reloading
Patricia Maisch, 61, was in the back of the line, waiting to greet and take a photo with Giffords. When she heard gun shots, she hit the ground.
"I'm waiting to be shot because the lady next to me had been shot," Maisch said. "At the same time, someone says, 'Get the magazine.'"
Loughner allegedly used a legally purchased Glock 19-9 mm gun with an extended magazine to carry out the shootings.
Maisch grabbed the second magazine that Loughner was attempting to load into the gun.
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I suppose this doesn't count because he used a shotgun?
Police: "Heroes" helped thwart gunman at [cbsnews.com]
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You do realize that most every modern rifles fits your description, right?
Semi-automatic....it fires for every pull of the trigger.
For decades, 30 rounds per magazine have been STANDARD capacity.....
And everyone is saying the AR-15 is an assault rifle...it is not. The military would not be using an AR, they have fully selectable rifles capable of full automatic fire (pull trigger, it keeps firing till you release or empty mag
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For decades, 30 rounds per magazine have been STANDARD capacity.....And what pray tell...is the magazine capacity you deem 'safe'? You know anyone remotely trained on an AR type rifle...can shot 3x 10 round magazines almost as fast as a single 30 rounder, right?
Any magazine over 30rds should be NFA. Want a 100rd drum mag? Get the stamp.
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Why, to save 5 fucking lives, if that? You could save more lives by lowering the speed limit by 1 mph.
Why not? It's not covered by the 2nd Amendment. No one is prevented from obtaining one if they want one.
Gun control will get here eventually. You can either fight it until you get what you definitely don't want, or work with it to keep as much as you can. The longer you do nothing, the louder and stronger the screams become to do something.
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And WTF are suppressors/silencers on the NFA even?
I mean, hell, in the EU and many places around the world were there are draconian gun laws, they at least allow and even encourage silencers to help save peoples' hearing.
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That's the problem. I personally don't give a shit about red flag laws, super background checks, or frankly even waiting periods or licensing. They would be a minor inconvenience. The problem is none of that will do anything to solve the "problem" and then they will proceed with bans and confiscation.
That's why gun people oppose fucking _anything_ like that. They know if they can hold up that stuff longer, it keeps the other stuff off the table for even longer.
Literally the only thing that would save an app
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Literally the only thing that would save an appreciable number of lives is to ban and confiscate all semi-automatic handguns.
Other than some single-shot niche toys like a "pen gun", are there any handguns that aren't semi-automatic?
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Well, revolvers aren't considered in general to be semi-automatic...they aren't "auto loaders" like what we consider a modern semi-auto handgun to be with a removable and swappable magazine of ammo.
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Revolvers. Main functional difference would come down to capacity.
Revolvers are not considered semi-automatic only because trigger action loads the next round instead of recoil or gas discharge. It's a distinction without a difference though, every trigger pull fires a shot.
Certainly capacity is different, but that wasn't your focus.
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Not sure what your point is. The difference between AR15's and other semi-automatic rifles is cosmetic, not even functional at all, and they seem to go after them primarily. Similarly, the vast majority of gun deaths are from semi-automatic pistols so their argument would be (the idiotic) "Don't worry you can keep your revolvers, nobody needs those semi-automatic death machines".
My point is that when you say "ban and confiscate all semi-automatic handguns" you are really in effect calling for the banning of all handguns.
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> lowering the speed limit by 1 mph
Comments like this are why people are being shot. You can pry my 1 mph out of my cold dead hands!
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Most of the in-real-life people I argue about guns with are completely clueless. They think assault rifles are some scourge when you could save far more lives by lowering the speed limit 5mph, decreasing the BAC limits for drunk driving by .01, or simply e.g. making a 2 strikes and you're out system where drunk drivers spend 10 years in prison for repeated drunk driving.
But muh booze!! You don't 'need' an assault rifle, I 'need' boooooozeeee!
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"And everyone is saying the AR-15 is an assault rifle...it is not. The military would not be using an AR, they have fully selectable rifles capable of full automatic fire (pull trigger, it keeps firing till you release or empty magazine)."
Actually the AR design is taken from a military rifle and completely demilitarized in collaboration with the military for civilian use. It is the one design for civilian use that the military helped assure wasn't a military weapon.
As for assault rifle, there is no such cla
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I keep a shotgun for home defense. A handgun is nice for concealed carry or a tight space but accuracy is shit. The ammunition you'd use on an AR or AK makes it a poor choice for an urban environment like a home because it'll go right through multiple walls while still retaining lethal capabilities. Not in my house thank you. Also, while it does nothing for proving what a great shot you are it is fun blowing a target to hell with a shotgun at the range.
I do have rifles these guys would call "assault weapons
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The problem with the Gun Debate is there are so many stupid people on both sides [...] a high capacity semi-automatic rifle is no longer a tool. It is an instrument of killing people.
Look in the mirror and you'll find one of those idiots. Maybe you should educate yourself on weapons before blindly spewing the same liberal talking points we've heard a 1000 times before.
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"It is an instrument of killing people."
How is that not a tool? Killing is the purpose of a gun, primarily animals of all kinds including people. Whether it is deer and people trying to kill you or innocents is all about the shooter and not the gun. Nobody would try to claim a single round capacity 50 cal rifle isn't a military weapon, the military certainly asserts that it is, unlike the semi-auto high capacity AR-15 the military collaboratively designed with the manufacturer as a non-military rifle.
Semi-a
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"Standard M16's have three settings: Safety, Single Shot, and 3-Shot Burst."
Yes, that is how the M16A2's are set up but not the original. Burst is more than one shot per trigger pull though so it is still "fully automatic" and not semi-automatic in this context. Using burst fire greatly increases the lethality of point and shoot.
"Numerous studies revealed that on "full auto" most rifles start wandering due to the recoil / gas discharge (muzzle rise)."
That is definitely true. You can hold and lean into the w
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Don't forget the millions killed by regular cigarettes.... and alcohol....
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Most of the vaping deaths have been linking to homebrew THC liquids. So a ban on commercial products is unlikely to fix the problem.
Most vaping deaths linked to THC [go.com]
And yet they continue to sell tobacco (Score:5, Insightful)
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We're probably about to get a lesson in how prohibition pushes users to mare dangerous alternative markets. Because we never learn.
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530 people this year from vaping.
Only a single person has died from tobacco in its entire history. The rest (largely inflated anyway) die from mind control additives mixed by the lizard people at the center of the earth.
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Only an absolute fool would believe vaping is more dangerous than smoking tobacco. There are no shortage of absolute fools though and that's what your masters want though.
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It is much more dangerous to one's social life, at least in the circles near me. Tobacco is fine, cool even... vaping is, well, vaping.
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Yeah, but smoking real cigarettes makes you look cooler.
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Making your own moonshine is also more dangerous than buying a bottle of vodka at the store; that doesn't make vodka healthy or fruit juice unhealthy.
fruit juice(in excess) is actually unhealthy... (Score:1)
Uh, you might want to read up on fruit juice. As many calories as soda, and we aren't typically in need of what little extra vitamins it has over soda.
So yeah, fruit juice is unhealthy.
But this is equivalent to trying to restart prohibition because a few people managed to poison themselves with black market moonshine because there's no difference between something made using a car radiator in the woods and, say, Jim Bean's products.
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Fruit juice is not unhealthy. Twinkies aren't unhealthy. Bacon cheddar french fries drenched in ranch aren't unhealthy.
It's sustained and consistent eating of foods that exceed your caloric needs and which don't provide sufficient nutrients which is unhealthy. A fit person with a balanced diet can have a glass of fruit juice a day and a few Twinkies a week and they would not at all be unhealthy for him.
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Exactly this.
Tobacco is a proven killer and has been known to be this for a long time now. I'm not saying that Vaping gear doesn't need regulation and testing. I just think it's a bit crappy of them to ban e-cigarettes and keep selling tobacco products.
Further, I doubt folks are buying illicit THC products at Walmart, so they really won't be preventing any illness/death related to this recent rash of illness/death.
Lack of understanding of the scope of the problem on the part of WM Execs IMO.
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Virtue signaling at it's finest. Once they caved on guns you had to know they'd cave on just about anything to seem woke.
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tobacco has been shown to have fewer negative side effects than the vapes
If your end goal is population reduction, I guess that's correct.
Not to mention combatting climate-change. [theonion.com]
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Agreed. It's likely (based on initial evidence) a case of contaminated, bootleg product.
You die damn fast if your drugs are cut with fentanyl too. Same if you put any number of vaporized common toxic substances directly into your lungs. (bleach comes to mind)
Contaminated products aren't exactly new. Especially bootleg ones which inevitably crop up with you 1) over-regulate 2) over-tax 3) prohibit otherwise easily accessible and desirable items. Welcome to round 9000 of "doing something good" that has an
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You are not supposed to put OIL into your Juul and vape it. The 7 people who died did just that.
Apparently THC is oil-soluble so they mixed it in vitamin D oil and then inhaled it. They just wanted to get high, and figured this would be a cheap/inconspicuous way to do it (as opposed to lighting up a traditional MJ joint). Unfortunately nobody told these kids that yor're not supposed to inhale oil into your lungs, EVER. It's very very bad, mmkay?
No reputable company sells oil-based vaping products, these kid
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How quickly some of these people have died is alarming.
Yes, that is alarming but it's also reassuring. If the legal products were causing people to die this quickly then this epidemic shouldn't be cropping up now. It shouldn't have 50+% of cases being individuals between 18 and 25.
The latest death took up vaping after experiencing chronic pain. That should be indicative of what's going on here. Who says, "Gee, I'm experiencing pain, let me get some nicotine."
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Tobacco is harder to get hooked on. Kids who try a cigarette for the first time cough like crazy. A lot of us have stories like that from our youth, of sneaking a cig away from the adults and trying it. Most of us didn't go back... for a while. That is why they got rid of cig vending machines though--kids could get at 'em. Anyway, the vapes, first time you try them it's much easier. The flavors pull them in too.
I don't see it as a double standard. Regular cigarettes don't hook kids so easily, and th
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Kill one person and you're a murderer. Kill a million and you're a hero.
Just how it goes these days (and pretty much forever). Society is stupid. Also, the tobacco industry is oh-so-very eager to shoot down the very thing that's killing their industry (which itself kills its customers).
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What a weird double standard when they pull e-cigarettes, yet continue to sell tobacco.
Not if your RTFA
They are pullng due to "the growing federal, state and local regulatory complexity and uncertainty.."
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Your question got me to wondering....
And so I compared e-liquid prices to tobacco prices. And discovered that tobacco is MUCH more expensive than e-liquids!
So, suddenly, all the opposition to vaping suddenly makes sense - stores are making less money, and poorer people are able to get their nicotine faxes.
Between those two (the stores losing money and the poor people getting their nicotine fixes), you'll have big busi
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"Given the growing federal, state and local regulatory complexity and uncertainty regarding e-cigarettes..."
New York just banned the sale of flavored cigarettes. It's probably not going to end there.
I also suspect they don't sell that many anyway. I bought e-cigs there a few times before I came to the conclusion that there were better options online and now in local vape stores which probably see Walmart getting out of the market as a slight silver lining to all the news recently.
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from the do-as-you-are dept (Score:2)
Wallmart's gettin' woke (Score:1)
Guns, e-cigs... wonder if they'll get behind Bernie or Warren? And have to wonder how that will work out for them in the long term...
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Well, since Bernie and Warren have both done a full 180 on protecting American workers and are now all about "free trade," I imagine they will oppose this move because it should be up to consumers what they put in their bodies.
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Americans:...who runs you guys these days?
Walmart: a 84 year old schitzophrenic evangelical woman from Pensacola and her blind, incontinent cat.
Probably couldn't do any worse than your typical CEO in terms of value added.
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Not true, most CEO's helpfully do nothing at all and let the competent people get work done while merely leeching funds. The evangelical schizo cat lady likely tries to do things... not cool for a CEO.
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This is so much better if you imagine the voices of Walmart and Americans are John Cleese and Eric Idle respectively.
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Walmart: due to six deaths from electronic cigarettes, we must protect the consumer. Effective immediately these dangerous drugs will be removed from all of our stores.
You didn't RTFA, did you? Go back and read the reason why they are dropping sales of E Cigs. Kind of butt-fucks your narrative, huh.
This is stupid... (Score:1)
And getting dumber by the day. Was Walmart selling black market THC vapes? No? Then this is pointless. I bet they are still selling cigarettes though, amiright?
So... back to regular coughing nails then? (Score:2)
A win for the cigarette carthel.
Luckily, im Europe, where smoking wasn't gone out of style just yet, people realized that vaping liquids did not include any of the hundrets of addictive additives; especially if you mixed them themselves... and so, suddenly, when you switched to e-cigarettes, reducing the nicotine content was not a problem anymore! ... And the
I have several people who quot smoking that way. Easy-peasy. Slow reductions over 1-2 years... until the content was indistiguishable from none at all.
I hope the typos are not too bad. (Score:1)
I can't type any better, currently. Or I would have to go stab a touch screen inventor. With a ladle. Thixk end fist.
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| A win for the cigarette carthel.
Except that the members of the cigarette cartel are also the major players in the e-cigarette market too. JUUL, the market leader is owned by Altria (ah, that sounds so new-agey and nice), the new name of Philip Morris. Vuse is owned my RJ Reynolds Tobacco, and so on.
From: https://www.journalnow.com/bus... [journalnow.com]
Juul's market share increased from 70.5 percent to 72.1 percent during the four-week period that ended Aug. 11. Meanwhile, Vuseâ(TM)s market share dropped from 10.8 percent to 9.6 percent even as it lowered some product pricing to drive sales.
Re: So... back to regular coughing nails then? (Score:2)
It was bound to happen (Score:3)
There goes the best tool we've ever had to fight tobacco addiction, because of a knee-jerk reaction from His Orangeness due to a bad batch of THC-laced e-juice. It wasn't even regular juice. But it was bound to happen: there are a lot of actors who eagerly waiting for the slightest slip-up to kill vaping.
Hurk-a-durk! (Score:1)
Walmart is stupid for doing this! (Score:1)
The elite shoppers of Walmart will see through this vape-ban/cigarettes allowed hypocrisy and won't stand for it!
https://www.peopleofwalmart.co... [peopleofwalmart.com]
This is great news (Score:2)
Between WalMart stopping most gun sales, and now e-cigs, this really opens up the market for smaller shops to compete.
Kind of them to give away a huge marketshare and overwhelming cost advantage!
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Walmart didn't really have much in the way of guns for sale in the first place. They've always been pretty heavily restricted on the guns and ammunition they sell.
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Bribed by the cigarette cartel (Score:2)
Hunh? (Score:2)
What do deaths related to vaping THC cartridges have to do with anything sold at Walmart? Not that this is a bad thing, the only thing they'd be selling at Walmart are the e-cigs from the major tobacco companies and you'd have to be insane to trust their products.
Virtue Signalling (Score:2)
Why aren't they going to stop selling junk food?
Obesity kills more people than all gun deaths (including suicide) combined. If what you're wanting is to prevent deaths, lets start with the big killers.
Guns are ok though right? (Score:1)
I mean how many kids have guns killed?
Has to be way less then illicent home made THC carts? Right?
Better yet (Score:3)
Stop selling XXL yoga pants.
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Well, that's it then/you clearly give up TOO easy (Score:2)
Seriously, there's nobody else that sells guns or e-cigarettes?
If Walmart decides to stop selling certain items on what they consider moral grounds, that means that nobody else in the US can sell them?
It's like you think there isn't a free market.