Brexit Deal Leaves Companies in Limbo Over Data Flows (bloomberg.com) 55
The U.K.'s new deal for leaving the European Union hasn't given companies any certainty about how they should handle the movement of personal data out of the bloc and into Britain. From a report: The country has until at least the end of next year to clinch an agreement with Europe that will allow organizations to freely move data about customers to and from the EU without breaching data protection rules, according to the agreement released on Thursday. Violating the EU's General Data Protection Regulation policy can lead to fines of as much as 4% of annual sales. A so-called adequacy decision would add the U.K. to a list of countries whose data laws are accepted as in harmony with Europe's. But while the U.K. currently adheres to the bloc's laws, it isn't a shoe-in. Its data-collection practices for national security purposes are likely to come under heavy scrutiny during a review process that may take years, lawyers have said.
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Welcome fellow time traveler! In this day and age politics occur on social media in 240 snippets from leaks from anonymous insiders.
In about 2 hours this story will be obsolete and the new headline will be: "Brexit deal changed. The only constant is more uncertainty in an already uncertain future".
Re:The agreement isn't even published yet (Score:4, Interesting)
Given the reaction of DUP, Labor, and the Liberal Democrats, the answer is that the current deal is not acceptable, whatever it happens to be.
IFAIKT:
DUP would find any deal acceptable to the EU to be unacceptable. Possibly on principle.
Labor isn't going to accept any deal that will benefit the Tories.
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The Liberal Democrats want to insist on a public vote for any agreement.
So it's going to be either crash out, or extend the process for several more months, possibly years.
Brexit first, then adjust later (Score:4, Interesting)
Given the reaction of DUP, Labor, and the Liberal Democrats, the answer is that the current deal is not acceptable, whatever it happens to be.
IFAIKT:
DUP would find any deal acceptable to the EU to be unacceptable. Possibly on principle.
Labor isn't going to accept any deal that will benefit the Tories.
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The Liberal Democrats want to insist on a public vote for any agreement.
So it's going to be either crash out, or extend the process for several more months, possibly years.
I've been following this closely since about Sept 1. I never expected British politics to be an exciting spectator sport, but the antics in the first few weeks of parliament have been hilarious. There were some serious "House of Cards" style political manoeuvres that were just funny to watch(*).
There's a lot of partisan squabbling over the deal, but the one aspect that's really important is that it's important to actually leave. Complaints about the agreement can be adjusted and renegotiated after the fact, but only if the UK actually leaves.
Boris seems to "get" this important point, and has been adamant that the UK will be out by Oct 31 (the no-deal deadline) one way or another. This has had a good effect on the negotiations, because the EU has finally realized "OMG, he's serious! We better forge a [more] reasonable deal or we'll be left with a no-deal brexit".
So far, Boris sticking to his guns and insisting that the UK will be out by Oct 31 (or before, if a deal is agreed to) has been good for his polling.
(*) Normally when a PM is disliked enough parliament can call for a vote of "no confidence". It would spark an immediate election though, and the remainers would lose a huge number of seats because getting out of the EU is polling very high right now. So Parliament is stuck with Boris for the remainder: they dislike him (and what he's doing), but can't get rid of him.
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Just leave and get it going?
If nothing else, why are they not currently trying at this moment, to negotiate trade deals and other things with the US and other countries contingent upon their brexit...and have it in place?
I mean, sounds like they're not going to get a deal that is nice like the EU should give them, but in the meantime, are they making deals that will be in place in case the do have to rip the band-aid off?
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How did you survive without booze for the first, say, 3 years of your life?
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Indeed.
But it's worse than that.
It's much more how does a modern global trading nation cope without any agreement on trading and access to selling it's wares for a reasonable fee to 90% of its customer base.
The answer is badly.
Still I guess we might get reasonable sized chicken again, much like when bird flu was a thing and none were exported. (no US, we don't want or need your dodgy chickens).
And to better anser GP's post. Becuase there were agreements in place for trading, not that as much trading as toda
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I have a television program for you to watch. Auf Wiedersehen Pet [youtube.com].
Basically, after the end of the money from the empire Britain was bankrupt but the Germans were really nice and let Brits come and have low paid employment in their country so that they didn't starve to death.
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There's a difference between never being in the EU, and being in the EU for forty years, having an economy which is highly integrated within the EU, companies whose supply chains are dependent on EU membership, then leaving the EU and ripping up all your trade agreements overnight. FWIW, before the UK joined the EU, we were known as the 'sick man of Europe' because of our garbage economy.
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Also, who exactly is going to agree a trade deal with the UK without knowing what exactly the UKs relationship to the EU is going to be?
And lastly, leaving without a deal isn't "ripping the band aid off", it's cutting your arm off.
Why exactly should the EU give them a deal that compromised the EU single market?
What's in it for the other countries in the EU?
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Why should the EU give Britain a “good deal?” Any concessions given are directly at a loss to them.
Further, why should Britain really be better off without the EU? There are compromises, but their prosperity as a result of being a member is undeniable. Brexit simply puts pressure on the UK to spend more on redundant functions in the hopes that they save somewhere else. The math doesn’t work, benefits of scale are lost.
But hey, it is great for the US and China...
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Because crashing out without a deal will do massive and immediate economic damage. The government's base scenario for planning involves rioting, food shortages and people dying for lack of medicines.
Anyone who votes for that in parliament is in trouble at the next election, which will probably be in the next month or two. Not long enough for voters to forget.
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No, I don't think that will happen if the next election is in the next month or two. Problems like that will take time to mature, and change people's minds. And with the "fixed term parliament" (or whatever it's called) those elected will be safe for several years.
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Unemployment tends to hit people pretty much immediately. Not being able to buy food or having their local Tesco smashed up in a riot tends to resonate. They take note of news stories about people dying from lack of medicine.
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Unemployment is going to ratchet up rather than be immediate. (Well, there'll be some immediate effect, but not as severe as later.) As for food, there are some supplies stockpiled in expectation of the BREXIT, but I don't know how much, or what it would do to prices, so I can't figure that.
So you may be right, but I don't think that's the way the politicians are figuring it.
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1. Ripping the bandaids of fucks up the economy. Sorry for the language but language should reflect reality. It doesn't mess it up, it proper fucks it.
2. The EU owes the UK nothing, and sure was heck should reward national stupidity.
3. International rules prevent negotiating a trade deal with the USA or others, the revocation of these rules is precisely one of the offers the EU made as part of the negotiation but relies on a deal being in place.
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*shouldn't reward. Ducking autocorrect.
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The EU doesn't care - Borris is like someone who arrives at a car dealership (the EU) with a car that is on fire and screaming "ok what are you going to do about it now?!".
You mention they'll negotiate an arrangement after leaving - well - what position will the UK be in then? Brexit has cost the UK £66 billion so far and they haven't even left yet - lots of companies have left the UK and moved to Europe over trade fears as well - they'll never come back (just like everyone left Quebec after they thre
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He is not a typical Politician.
The opposition hate him and will happily harm their own country to harm him.
He is trying to actually get something done and everyone else only cares about politics.
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Your forgot:
Totally incompetent
Lies all the time
A sex pest
Will happily harm his own country to suit himself
People only voted for him because they saw him on TV
He gets nothing done
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This has had a good effect on the negotiations, because the EU has finally realized "OMG, he's serious! We better forge a [more] reasonable deal or we'll be left with a no-deal brexit".
I'm not sure where you're getting this from.
a) the EU has very consistently been open to credible alternatives to the backstop even while they were saying they won't re-open negotiations.
b) the EU were the ones who originally proposed regulatory alignment of NI in December last year.
c) the "new deal" is nothing more than May's old deal with the above point b replacing the backstop, something the UK originally said it wouldn't agree to.
I will say it has been good for negotiations, but not for the British sid
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Complaints about the agreement can be adjusted and renegotiated after the fact, but only if the UK actually leaves.
Can they be? The UK's bargaining position will never again be as strong as it is now. Right now they have something the EU wants, for them not to leave. If they leave, they don't have that any more. And if they wind up with remorse over departing, you can be sure that getting back in will be difficult. Notably, they certainly won't be permitted to keep the UKP the second time around. That was a bad idea the first time, done only to get them into the EU in the first place to convince others. But the EU doesn
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The UK has no bargaining position now, that's why they've capitulated to all the things that were in May's deal they didn't like, and are trying to spin it as Boris getting a great deal. This effectively cuts off NI from the UK, something the Brexiters said they were against.
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It's a shit deal. Boris even said so about a year ago.
Border down the Irish sea. Break up of the Union guaranteed. Massive economic damage. Loss of rights.
Parliament won't accept it, I hope.
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"NO ONE outside the negotiating team has seen the deal. And yet here you are ready to condemn it."
Parliament is being asked to vote Saturday on a bill that no one had seen at the end of Thursday. That is reason enough to condemn it.
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It'll probably scrape through because the Brexit nutters have realised that it's either a shitty Brexit or no Brexit.
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IFAIKT: DUP would find any deal acceptable to the EU to be unacceptable. Possibly on principle.
Yes. They've said they're not leaving the EU just so they can pass all the same laws the EU has. Given that, I can't imagine the EU finding confidence that their laws will continue to remain in sync.
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DUP would find any deal acceptable to the EU to be unacceptable. Possibly on principle.
The DUP's ideal Brexit would be sending all their Republicans (Irish Nationalists) down south into Ireland. Then build a great big wall on the Ireland / North Ireland border . . . and make the EU pay for it!
Labor isn't going to accept any deal that will benefit the Tories.
Some Labor MPs from heavy Leave districts might be tempted to vote for the new deal, just to get it over with and please their constituents.
The Liberal Democrats want to insist on a public vote for any agreement.
This is what "The Economist" suggests. When the House of Commons finally agree on a deal, ask the public: Is this what you want, what you really really want?
The
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How can you write an op-ed to an unpublished (even an unsigned) agreement?!
An agreement that most observers currently think won't even get past Parliament anyway.
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Shoe-in??? (Score:3)
It's bad enough when our editors can't spell, now we're getting misspellings from professionals??? "Shoo-in". It's not about what you wear on your feet, guys....
Re:Shoe-in??? (Score:4, Funny)
Don't reign on his parade, it's the same thing for all intensive purposes. He's just trying to tow the party line.
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It's a tough road to ho...
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Irregardless. We have to keep him on the straightened arrow, it's a doggy dog world out there...
England: Become a strong leader, don't leave. (Score:2)
The healthy way to manage is to become a strong leader in the European Union, not to leave it. With good management, England could get most of what it wants.
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This wasn't the idea of the leaders, the people people in the street voted for it and the leaders have to do the best they can.
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What's actually needed is for parliament to agree to put a deal in front of the population in a binding referendum - stay, vs this Brexit deal. That would be democratic.
Well, your idea has good company . . . "The Economist" proposed the same thing exactly: https://www.economist.com/lead... [economist.com]
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It was the idea of the wealthy, big business owners fed up with workers' rights cutting into their profits, bankers looking for the next big payday.
They sold it with xenophobia and lies. Got the turkeys to vote for Christmas.
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This wasn't the idea of the leaders, the people people in the street voted for it and the leaders have to do the best they can.
Remember this started as a power game between two ex-Eton schoolmates, one the then Prime Minister, the other the current Prime Minister. When the referendum results came through, Boris cowardly pulled out of the leadership race because he knew he couldn't deliver on what he had given birth to, and waited for Theresa May to fail before coming in at the last minute to drive the country over the cliff. It has been clear from when he took over that what he really wants is a no deal exit followed immediately b
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The healthy way to manage is to become a strong leader in the European Union, not to leave it.
People have been making that argument for about four decades now. I'm still not sure what it means. In any case, it appears that a large number of my fellow Brits got bored of waiting for whatever it is, and here we are.
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Stop being so reluctant and opting out of everything. Instead join in and shape it.
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Anybody who ever believed that the UK is able to lead anything should know better at this point.
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The exact same concerns apply to businesses moving personal data to the US. The EU acknowledges national security interests as a way to bypass various rules and regulations it makes, including the GDPR, but typically only the national security interests of its member states.
This has been challenged in court, and resulted in killing off the old Safe Harbor framework and replacing it with the Privacy Shield framework, which is approximately the same but with a different name, and which still doesn't square th