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New Silicon Valley Extreme: The 2:30 a.m. Tech Bus From Salida (protocol.com) 160

In search of affordable housing, tech employees move all the way into the Central Valley. Private tech shuttles follow. From a report: It's 2:30 a.m. in the Central California farm town of Salida, and the only sound is the tech bus pulling into an unmarked lot surrounded by barbed wire. Men and women in work boots board in the moonlight. Next stop is 11 miles away in Manteca, and then it's another 55 miles to Fremont on the San Francisco Bay, where -- an hour and a half hour later -- the 4 a.m. shift at the Tesla factory starts. Welcome to life on Silicon Valley's new frontier. When tech companies first introduced private shuttles for their employees more than a decade ago, they served the affluent neighborhoods in San Francisco and the Peninsula. Now the buses reach as far as the almond orchards of Salida and the garlic fields of Gilroy.

Tech companies have grown tight-lipped about the specifics of their shuttle programs in the wake of high-profile protests in San Francisco. But Protocol was able to locate enough stops for company shuttles to confirm that some tech shuttles now drive all the way out to the Central Valley, an agricultural hub once a world away from the tech boom on the coast. "That just tells you the story of the Bay Area," said Russell Hancock, president and CEO of regional think tank Joint Venture Silicon Valley. "We're going to be in these farther-flung places, and that's our reality because we're not going to be able to create affordable housing." Tech shuttle sprawl speaks to the unique pressures that the industry has put on the region. High tech salaries have driven up housing prices in Silicon Valley, San Francisco and the East Bay, forcing white- and blue-collar workers alike to move farther away from their jobs. The crisis is compounded by anti-development politics that make it hard to build new housing and patchwork public transit systems that make it difficult for commuters to get to work without driving.

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New Silicon Valley Extreme: The 2:30 a.m. Tech Bus From Salida

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  • Someplace your workers can actually afford to live close to where they work. Like, say, Texas.

    Bonus: No homeless drug addicts defecating in the streets [battleswarmblog.com]! (Well, at least outside Austin [battleswarmblog.com].)

    Extra bonus: This guy [forbes.com] will pay you to move out of California.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      No no no no no. No more Californians in Texas. The problem is, they bring their contagion with them. They want to change everything to how it was in California. Then they say it sucks now. Look at what Austin used to be in the 70s/80s/90s before SXSW put them on the map. It was a sleepy hippie/university/government town. Now? Hipster hell.

      Today they have these bumper stickers that say "Keep Austin Weird." Back then, you never saw a single one. You know why? We didn't need 'em.

    • I think that in the medium run, and certainly the long run, Texas will regret encouraging a ton of Californians move there. What made Texas Texas is changing and once it tips into no longer being a red state expect those advantages to evaporate. Ask Virginia what Democrats have done for their rights and how quickly it happened. Any sane conservative is thinking about, or has already, left California. Any sane resident of a purple or red state should never encourage the 'average' California resident to m
      • somehow your arguments also resonate for national level migration.. but it's racist to say so.

        really makes you think.

      • by zieroh ( 307208 )

        I think that in the medium run, and certainly the long run, Texas will regret encouraging a ton of Californians move there. What made Texas Texas is changing

        Yeah! Pretty soon we won't be able to be unrepentant racist fuckwits without getting called out by our idiot California neighbors!

    • by fermion ( 181285 )
      In my city many people live an 1 or 2 from work. They mostly do so because the want to be in more segregated area as there are many affordable places in the city, if you don’t mind diversity. Moving is not going solve this if you just move to another city, for example Austin, where you have the same issue.

      I have seen companies do this, move from a rational to irrational because they think the employees want it and because they want a more desirable address. But in this case, as already mentioned, t

  • by Ambvai ( 1106941 ) on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @03:35PM (#59694090)

    The headline makes it sound far worse than it really is, considering that you're doing it for a 4AM shift, not a 9-to-5. A 90-minute commute might be pretty long by US standards, but it's by no means something unheard of... couple that with how you're riding a shuttle bus, not driving yourself, you save the wear on your own vehicle, can do something else on the way (catch a nap, maybe), and leave the responsibility of the schedule to the driver.

    I'd take it over my own commute for my last job, which was about 70 minutes in bumper-to-bumper traffic.

    • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @03:39PM (#59694124)

      My commute in the Puget Sound region is roughly 90-100 minutes each way - and I’ve been doing it for a few decades now.

      But it was my (well, our) choice because of where and how we wanted to live.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        So you are looking at 1000 minutes a week, or 16.6 hours. If you do a standard 40 hour week it's actually 56.6 hours. It's like having a second job.

        If you take public transport it's a little less bad as say 80% of that time you can do you own thing like read a book or watch Netflix, but it's still way more than I would be willing to tolerate.

        I hope they pay well.

    • A 90-minute commute might be pretty long by US standards, but it's by no means something unheard of...

      I heard of people commuting from Richmond, Virginia to Washington D.C. back in the 90s. When the industry you work in is centralized into a small space, this sort of thing happens.

      I imagine we would hear complaints from people tied to Wall Street, but they make enough money to live closer to work.

    • by pgmrdlm ( 1642279 ) on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @03:48PM (#59694162) Journal
      What everyone is missing. That 90 minute commute is on a bus. You get up, you get dressed, you get on the bus, you go back to sleep. And I believe it's a free shuttle for the workers. I bet the people that drive in congested cities in bumper to bumper traffic, that take the same time to get to work while being many miles closer. Would love this type of benefit. Just saying
      • by Kjella ( 173770 )

        You get up, you get dressed, you get out in all kinds of shitty weather, you make your way to the bus stop, you wait for the bus to arrive, you get on the bus, you probably don't go back to sleep.

        Fixed that for you. Whether you walk, bike or drive to the bus stop most people are done waking up by the time they get on the bus. If you start out tired enough to fall back to sleep on the bus, the rest of the day will be hell even with the extra nap. At least that's been my experience with early morning commutes, people may try to zone out but few can actually fall asleep. Between the shake and rattle of the bus driving and the flow of passengers entering or leaving you have to be pretty immune to get an

        • When I lived In Pennsylvania near the Poconos. There were a number of New York workers that owned homes in Pa and took the bus to New York every day and back home. I seen them sleep on the bus. The pay they received in New York was worth it to them because the cost of living in Pa gave them a very nice life style. Yes, they spent most of their day between commuting and working. But the good paying jobs and cheap cost of living made it worth their while. To each their own, I agree. But to some it is
        • by imgod2u ( 812837 )

          It's central valley CA. The worst you'll get is a light drizzle and you might need a jacket.

        • I don't agree.

          I got into the habit of leaving home at about 4:00 am, getting to the airport about 90 minutes later, then getting on a flight at about 8am. I would fall asleep for most of the short flight (1 1/2 hours).

          If I can do it on a plane after a longer journey to get to my transportation, people can do it on a bus.

        • Whether you walk, bike or drive to the bus stop most people are done waking up by the time they get on the bus.

          I see you've never done shiftwork before. You'd be amazed at what you can learn to sleep through.

      • An hour and a half (one way) is a waste of life, doesn't matter if you go on a bus, an airplane, car, you sleep or not sleep.

        An hour and a half a day exercising, or playing with your children is a significant thing, now think 3 hours total. 3 hours of your life every day being wasted by sleeping in god damn bus because you live in a place that's like that. That's the only reason. That's how it works THERE.

        From the comments I see up, most of you are doing it, and the worst part is you guys think it's t
        • An hour and a half a day exercising, or playing with your children is a significant thing, now think 3 hours total. 3 hours of your life every day being wasted by sleeping in god damn bus because you live in a place that's like that. That's the only reason. That's how it works THERE.

          This is in the middle of the night. You know when most people are sleeping anyway.
          These people are home in the afternoon, and if they have kids, probably get to spend more time with them than you do with you regular 9 to 5 job.

    • Also worth pointing out that, like it or not, staggered shift times are an inevitable solution to congestion. As population increases, the number of commuters increases and traffic gets worse. The only ways to mitigate this are:
      • Increase the size of the roads (add more highway lanes)
      • Increase the number of occupants per vehicle
      • Time-shift the traffic load. Move some of the commuters from high-traffic times to low-traffic times, by spreading out work shift times.

      Staggering shift times was actually done

  • Extreme? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gtwrek ( 208688 ) on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @03:35PM (#59694092)

    1:30 hour commute, while bad, certainly isn't "extreme" by most definitions. The shift starts at 4 a.m. Sure that's early, but early shifts have been around forever.
    An hour and a half commute can regularly been seen just between SF, and the South Bay. That amount of time can probably be seen on the tech shuttles all around the SF Bay area at peak times.

    There's nothing really new to report here is there?

    • by Shotgun ( 30919 )

      1:30 hour commute, while bad, certainly isn't "extreme" by most definitions of people living in California

      Most other people think it is freaking insane.

      • by suutar ( 1860506 )

        1:30 also isn't extreme for Atlanta, if you have to take 285 at the wrong time. There's probably other places too. So while "most other people think it is freaking insane" is still probably accurate, "of people living in California" is unnecessarily restrictive.

    • Everything about the story is clickbait bullshit. It's not an "extreme" commute, Fremont isn't "Silicon Valley" and Tesla isn't a "Tech Company".

      • Fremont isn't "Silicon Valley"

        https://www.siliconvalleyhisto... [siliconval...orical.org]

        Fremont is considered part of Silicon Valley these days.

        • by zieroh ( 307208 )

          Fremont is considered part of Silicon Valley these days.

          It is certainly part of the San Francisco Bay Area, seeing as how it touches the San Francisco Bay. All the other definitions (including "Silicon Valley") are pretty much meaningless.

  • That should be on the clock time and under CA OT laws that may be big pay outs.

    • That should be on the clock time and under CA OT laws that may be big pay outs,

      .Should everyone that has to do a long commute to work be on the clock also? Just look up the stats for L.A., San Fran, or any other major city in the U.S. Where people do the commutes and drive, paying for their own gas and wear and tear. These people are getting free rides where they can sleep the whole time.

    • I do not think so. My understanding is the employer has to pay from the time the worker is "on site" (with wiggle room within reason for things like getting the time card punch). This bus stop is not "on site" but a free benefit to help the worker get to the place of work.

    • That should be on the clock time and under CA OT laws that may be big pay outs.

      Why? Those people chose to live there. Just because the company provides a shuttle service doesn't make it on the clock to anyone other than the driver.

  • The short answer is that the city's far left political establishment won't let it be built [battleswarmblog.com].

    The longer answer involves California state policy as well...

    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @03:46PM (#59694148)

      The short answer is that the city's far left political establishment won't let it be built [battleswarmblog.com].

      The longer answer involves California state policy as well...

      Why does a manufacturing facility need to be right on the Bay? If you want to put the designers, HQ, etc there fine; they are more likely to be able to afford it. But put the actual manufacturing out in the sticks where the real estate is cheaper and your lower paid employees putting the things together can actually have reasonable commutes.

      • by imgod2u ( 812837 )

        This particular Tesla factory was bought at bargain basement prices when the GM/Toyota collaboration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] folded. So that's why it's there instead of out in the middle of nowhere (like all the other Tesla factories).

        Also, that area of Fremont wasn't always a high-tech area. Up until just a decade ago, it was mostly a industrial area.

        Also, historically, these things are near the Bay because that's where the ports are to ship supplies and finished products in/out.

      • 2 reasons: The manufacturing facility was pre-existing and back when it was built it *was* in the sticks. And there's some real benefit to having designers engineers and whatnot close to the manufacturing facility.

  • Saw the headline and figured they were starting at a normal work hours.
    This is just an 1 1/2 commute each direction, sucks if you miss the bus but other than that done by lots of others every day.
    It is an hour more than the nation wide commute time, 2 hours a day. So going by averages they are probably getting paid between $15,000 - $20,000 more per year to make the commute. So going by the low numbers they are making around $28 per hour for those two extra hours.

    Interesting that people would do that
  • by Jarwulf ( 530523 ) on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @03:46PM (#59694150)
    Don't give me this hooey about synergy and connections. At this point the average person and company wants to be in Silicon Valley because it's fashionable. It's cult hysteria no different from tulips or pet rocks.
    • At this point the average person and company wants to be in Silicon Valley because it's fashionable.

      You're not from 'round here, are you?

      I stumbled over an article a few months back explaining the math behind why Silicon Valley exists. Basically it turns out to be a "the sum is worth more than the sum of the parts" argument. It turns out I'm more productive when I'm on a team filled with competent people. They are too and it's non-linear. Double the competence of each team member and the team productivity more than doubles. Put a million of us together, easily bouncing from company to company, and you get

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      Don't give me this hooey about synergy and connections. At this point the average person and company wants to be in Silicon Valley because it's fashionable. It's cult hysteria no different from tulips or pet rocks.

      No, it's self-perpetuating because Silicon Valley is where the tech jobs are. People flock to where the jobs are, and companies follow because that's where the people are. And so on.

      You can move out to the sticks and offer jobs, but people will realize that if you're the only one offering jobs, th

  • 4AM shift (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @03:46PM (#59694152)

    They are catching a Bus at 230 for a 4 AM shift. Even if they lived in Fremont they would still be leaving home at 330 AM. This is not a story of mega commutes rather that Tesla is running shifts like all factories do.

    Would the story have had the same impact if they had written it as workers catch a bus at 1130 AM for there 1 PM shift?

    • I have gone jogging my peninsula neighborhood at 6ish in the morning to see maids/housecleaners sitting in their car, waiting to be allowed to get into the home at 7:00a or 7:30a after the employing family is awake and has had breakfast. The effective commute time for them could easily be greater than 90 minutes.

      It is all very nice to make a clickbait headline to foster criticism of a Big Evil Corporation, but there are a lot of local Little Evil Employers out there you call your next door neighbor. Or pe

  • Wth do you put the factory in San Francisco if it's so expensive?

    For that matter, do you like rewarding local politicians who, a few years later, are now threateing to break up your corpo...oh, I get it.

  • ... It is like the Chinese factory workers making shoes for export market which they can not afford.

    These Tesla workers are building cars that drive themselves when the driver is asleep, and they could very much use such self driving cars to commute to work from the Central Valley ... but they can't afford the product they are making ...

    • That's a pretty weak argument.

      Do you apply the same standard to workers at Boeing making aircraft? Or yaht manufacturing?
      What about the diabetic at a candy factory? Or a insulin-normal person at at diabetic supply company? They can't use what they make.

      Dude, every Tesla except the Model 3 has been aimed at the luxury crowd. OF COURSE the average worker can't afford it. These things aren't built for median income households.

      Your China shoe factory is just as weak. Is the local plant paying at or above local

      • Sorry boss, I was trying to make a joke about Tesla driving people to work and home while they are sleeping. Full Self Driving is not there yet.

        Note to self: Don't give up the day job to become a comic.

    • If I had a commute that long ever day, I wouldn't want to take a car (and Tesla's cannot yet drive themselves while the driver is sleeping and attempts to do so have lead to accidents or fatalities) and would prefer a bus or train where I could sleep or at least spend some time reading.

      Also a Tesla isn't necessarily out of the price range for their employees either. One website pegged the average salary at $35k per year, and although I have no idea if that's accurate, is about the cost of a Model 3. If y
  • What a shitty life.
  • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @10:20PM (#59696018)

    In the official language of California, salida just means 'exit.' It's like when you drive through Germany for the first time and wonder why all the offramps lead to Ausfahrt.

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