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Could Cows Actually Help Solve the Climate Crisis? (cnn.com) 113

Cows fertilizing the soil can replenish the land and reduce carbon in the atmosphere, reports CNN -- with a farming practice called "ultra-high density grazing". Conventional thinking says that cows are bad for climate change. After all, livestock contribute to around 14% of all global emissions. Researchers at UC Davis estimate that a single cow can belch around 220 pounds -- roughly 100 kilograms -- of methane each year. There are more than a billion cows on the planet, so that is a lot of (greenhouse) gas. But cows didn't evolve to sit in feedlots getting fat. Their wild relatives were out in the grassland in large numbers...

Researchers at Texas A&M University led by Professor Richard Teague found that even moderately effective grazing systems put more carbon in the soil than the gasses cattle emit. Around 30% to 40% of the earth's surface is natural grassland, and Teague says the potential for food security is immense... The key to climate-sustainable agriculture is the soil, because soil has an extraordinary ability to store carbon. There is more than three times as much carbon in the world's soils than in the atmosphere, and scientists say that with better management, agricultural soils could absorb much more carbon in the future.

Even a change of a few percentage points would make a huge difference to the battle against the climate crisis. There is an upper limit to how much carbon soils can carry, but it can take decades to get to that point. Plants absorb carbon from the atmosphere through photosynthesis, and then put it in the soil through their roots. More carbon is stored in the ground through organic matter and microorganisms.

"We can actually solve the climate crisis by sequestering carbon in the soil and paying farmers to do it," says Art Cullen, a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist quoted by CNN.

"And if you say to a farmer that you will pay him a dollar more to plant grass and sit on his butt, then he is going to take that deal every time."
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  • by Kokuyo ( 549451 ) on Monday March 09, 2020 @05:44AM (#59810246) Journal

    I may be tired or something but do I understand correctly that the basic premise of this article is that cows convert grass to dung and thus eventually soil and as such are sequestering more CO2 than they actually breathe out?

    Doesn't this happen anyhow in the normal lifecycle of grass?

    Don't get me wrong, I think animal fats and tissue is essential to a healthy human life and I think a vegan diet will lead to longterm damage, reduced productivity and mental capacity, however as much as I like cows.... what?

    • It happens naturally yes, but it's usually confined to their grazing areas, If farmers moved the cows between grass fields, crossing some dried out land, the dung will make grass grow everywhere. And after grass, everything else.
    • Re:Apologies (Score:5, Informative)

      by Muros ( 1167213 ) on Monday March 09, 2020 @05:55AM (#59810264)
      When grass dies without being eaten, it stays above ground preventing optimal growth of new grass. In dry climates this leads to desertification, and without animals grazing is usually dealt with by burning. Herbivores grazing convert the plant matter to dung, which is buried in the soil by beetles and worms, and clears the way for new growth.
      • Why doesn't this already happen on pasture? It's grazed at sufficient density that erosion can't even keep up with phosphate and micronutrient requirements.

        Don't really see them rising much.

      • by t0rkm3 ( 666910 )

        I don't know where you've seen this in a natural environment, but I've lived near the great plains and also near the largest Tall Grass Prairie preserve in the country. It is populated with some buffalo, but not even close to the densities required for the sort of soil turnover that you're proposing.

        As long as the farmers do not fight to preserve a monoculture in the flora it will establish a balanced rotation of plants that bloom grow and die at different rates that does just fine on it's own. Your lawn wi

        • by dwywit ( 1109409 )

          There's some dairy farmers here in Oz (and elsewhere, I suspect) that practice a system called "micro-cell grazing". Pastures are divided by temporary fences into small cells. Cattle are moved into a cell, and allowed to graze for a very short period, e.g. 1 hour, before being moved to the next cell.

          I believe that the theory involved is to limit grazing so that the various species of the pasture aren't scalped - grazed down to the dirt - and allowed to recover. It helps to maintain diversity and vigour of p

    • Re:Apologies (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:03AM (#59810278) Homepage

      The other basic problem with this "cows are good!" premise is that we're cutting down huge forests to make room for cows.

      Don't get me wrong, I think animal fats and tissue is essential to a healthy human life

      Maybe, but not in the quantities that most people are consuming it.

      • by Kokuyo ( 549451 )

        Most people primarily consume low fat muscle meat. At some point, that amount of protein may lead to other issues. I think consuming more parts of the animal would be sensible.
        I've started consuming bone marrow, liver and fat for that very reason.

        • Yep, I think the rise in incidence of diseases involving demyelination of nerves (MS, ALS, Parkinson's) is largely due to the War on Fat. Our bodies *need* fat to produce myelin.
      • According to the article, 30-40% of the world's land is already naturally grassland. Deforestation for the purpose of animal husbandry seems to be a rather backwards way to go about promoting the production of beef.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          The problem is that it's often the wrong 30-40%. Not suitable for grazing, in the wrong country or owned by the wrong people who want it for some other purpose. A bit of grass land in North America isn't much use to a farmer in South America, or even to consumers down there who can't easily get or afford that imported meat, and of course transport emits CO2 as well.

          • There is that. A good deal of arable land has been turned into residential or commercial property. There are some countries where formerly-fertile land has metal poisoning and other forms of pollution.

          • by xvan ( 2935999 )
            Dude, South America PRODUCES meat. We can't affort to import shit.
      • The deforestation isn't to directly make room for cattle. It is to make room for crops that are used to feed cattle. Most commercial cattle ranching operations don't actually let cows eat grass in wide open fields. Instead, they pack them on to dry feed lots that have no grass and bring in grain and hay for them to eat. The intent is to pack on as many pounds as possible in the shortest amount of time, which you can't do on a pure grass diet. In the feed lot situation, you are sending stock to slaughter eve
        • On a side note, grass-fed beef (milk, mutton, eggs etc.) has a much better omega 3:omega 6 fatty acid ratio, while grain-fed leans very heaily towards omega 6.These fatty acids are "essential", i.e. not synthesised in the body but ingested via food, so the same mechanism that makes feedlot critters fatten up so quickly, makes the humans who consume them fatten up so nicely (plus cardiovascular disease, diabetes, inflammation and cancer).
      • The other basic problem with this "cows are good!" premise is that we're cutting down huge forests to make room for cows.

        As opposed to cutting down forests to make room for soybeans. Much better.

    • The flaw in their plan is that, in the US, most cows arent fed grass, they're fed corn. The corn lobby would never stand for this

      • The flaw in their plan is that, in the US, most cows arent fed grass, they're fed corn. The corn lobby would never stand for this

        The liquor lobby will love it, though. Fewer cows eating the corn, more corn available for corn squeezin's....

      • by Kokuyo ( 549451 )

        The reliance on corn of the average American is a huge problem in and of itself. Diabetes Type 2, Alzheimer's and dementia are on the rise for a reason.

        I mean hell, when I was in Canada in 08 and ordered a dessert at McD, I had to throw it away after two spoons. As a European, the amount of fructose in northern American sweets was staggering to the point that my stomach revolted.

      • "They love to chew their cud, and they can't chew their cud when they're on corn."

        Frontline [pbs.org]

        Arguably, then, no longer "clean" food. So there's that argument against it as well as methane production. Or maybe it's ultimately the same argument.

      • Corn is grass. It looks like it is a good thing we killed all the buffaloes - they were ruining the planet.
      • The flaw in their plan is that, in the US, most cows arent fed grass, they're fed corn. The corn lobby would never stand for this

        According to this https://phys.org/news/2019-01-... [phys.org] "if a cow chows down on easily digestible food such as corn, it produces about a third as much methane as a cow that grazes on prairie grasses." and then there's "in order to understand the whole cycle of methane, scientists must take into consideration other forces in the ecosystem. Grasslands such as the U.S. Great Plains, for example, are methane sinks."

        I'll just say that life-cycle analysis is hard.

      • I've always thought that cows were finished on corn to fatten them up, not fed corn their entire life cycle.

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        • Yeah, my grandmothers neighbor in east TN and her neighbor has a small herd (maybe 50-75 head?). Is actually a pretty nice feed lot, pretty big with a creek running through it so they get fresh water, and they get hay every day. In my experience in the SE it's always smaller farms like this, but it's not reflective of the majority of the beef in our food supply.

    • Eggs are good for you
      Eggs are bad for you
      Coffee is good for you
      Coffee is bad for you
      Chocolate is good for you
      Chocolate is bad for you
      etc...

      Cows are good for the environment
      Cows are bad for the environment.

      Seems Science is never settled about anything.

      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        Some science, I note gravity and quantum dynamics tend not to have life changing flip-flops. One thing to remember is that science in the West is polluted with companies punting their angles as science, or their science with angles. Evolution is settled if we ignore the Evangelicals getting their bloomers in twist over not being especially singled out for different treatment than every other living species. Global warming is also essentially settled if we ignore the people who seem to get all emotional over

      • Chocolate is good for you
        Chocolate is bad for you

        Chocolate comes from the cocoa.
        Cocoa comes from a tree, which is a plant.
        Therefore, chocolate counts as salad.
        Chocolate is good for you.

      • I think I explained it above in another post. Cattle fed on grain and hay in a dry feed lot have a higher rate of flatulence. They also require more antibiotics as they are herded together in a much more dense population than they normally experience in traditional grazing, and their grain-heavy diet makes them more susceptible to disease. Corporate conglomerates run these operations like this because they can turn hooves into beef every 18 months, whereas it takes 3-4 years with traditional grass grazing.
      • by mspohr ( 589790 )

        But we have always known that animal fat is bad for you.

    • by geekoid ( 135745 )

      the worse part is the are acting like all green house gasses are the same.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:02AM (#59810274)
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    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      And whether it actually could make cows carbon negative has been disputed by scientists. But you don't necessarily have to make beef carbon negative to make it better.

    • Damn. This is actually better than the story EditorDavid refers to. Impressed.
  • Might relate also to Zero Tillage Farming. Applied in Zimbabwe commercial farmers where seeing massive yields by not ploughing. Ploughing would release carbon, kill the bugs and worms, create stratification in the soil. When they stopped ploughing the soil health improved and yields increased. I guess getting cows to be part of the process of converting the remnants from fields so that the bugs in soil can pull that into the underlying soil is part of the process of trapping carbon.
    • How does that affect the locust problems in Africa?

      • It's linked.

        https://www.npr.org/sections/g... [npr.org]

        "It turns out that every locust we've studied to date is very carbohydrate hungry and does well and performs well on carbohydrate- or sugary-based diets," Overson says.

        That has implications for farmers. The lab also does field research in Senegal, where farmers grow millet.

        The lab has published research showing that the farmers who grow their millet sustainably — maintaining healthy soil nutrients — tend to produce a crop that's relatively low in carbohydrates.

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:05AM (#59810284)
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  • by aRTeeNLCH ( 6256058 ) on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:07AM (#59810288)
    The methane of the cows is indeed a strong greenhouse gas, but it has a lifetime of about a year. So if the quantity of cows is static, there is no growth of the greenhouse gas problem, the methane of last year just gets replenished by the cows now. If the quantity of cows were to go down, it would temporarily have a positive effect.

    The problem lies with the vegans and vegetarians, in their refusal to eat cows, they're clearly not doing their part to reduce our climate issues!

    • The methane of the cows is indeed a strong greenhouse gas, but it has a lifetime of about a year. So if the quantity of cows is static, there is no growth of the greenhouse gas problem, the methane of last year just gets replenished by the cows now. If the quantity of cows were to go down, it would temporarily have a positive effect.

      The problem lies with the vegans and vegetarians, in their refusal to eat cows, they're clearly not doing their part to reduce our climate issues!

      Wikipedia says methane remains in the atmosphere for 12 years, and then it says it has an estimated lifetime of 9.1 years in the atmosphere (I have no idea about the differing numbers) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        His point is still valid, even if his timeline is overly optimistic. The number of cattle in the world is fairly flat and has been for a while, so their methane contribution in the atmosphere should be in a fairly steady state. You could reduce that methane by reducing the cattle herds, but it would be a one-time thing. The methane does convert to CO2, but cows aren't magic alchemical reactors producing carbon, they just put into the atmosphere some (not all) of what they eat. The numbers given for cattle's

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      Methane has a half life of seven years in the atmosphere. Natural processes convert it to... CO2.

      If you had a methane leak you couldn't stop, it would be advantageous to convert it to CO2 by burning it. That's because it's going to become CO2 eventually, and in the meantime methane is a lot more potent a greenhouse gas.

    • by Z80a ( 971949 )

      I wonder how impossible it would be to capture this methane and use it to generate power.

      • I wonder how impossible it would be to capture this methane and use it to generate power.

        Sounds interesting, but the real question is, will your Bartertown have a Thunderdome, because it would be a lot cooler if you did...

      • by lu-darp ( 469705 )

        A charity I supported ran a project for villages without power, but with cows. Since cows tend to "output" at the same time they "input" - they just placed grills underneath where they fed the cows. The only extra task was to mix equal parts (IIRC) dirt + straw in with the dung and it would naturally ferment. This creates natural gas which can be captured and used or lighting + cooking in the evenings.

      • by Shotgun ( 30919 )

        That's what the natural processes do. The problem is the same as with all highly dispersed energy sources: collection.

  • put the cows on treadmills that have built in generators, and a feedbag in front of them just out of reach and they will keep walking on that treadmill generating electricity
  • Someone had to do it...

  • "And if you say to a farmer that you will pay him a dollar more to plant grass and sit on his butt, then he is going to take that deal every time."

    Unless he can make 2 dollars by planting something else.

  • After all, livestock contribute to around 14% of all global emissions. Researchers at UC Davis estimate that a single cow can belch around 220 pounds -- roughly 100 kilograms -- of methane each year. How was this actually determined/studied ? bullshit
  • Shock collars and geofencing?

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      In the TFA, the farmer confines his herd of 500 cattle with an electrified fence. It sounds pretty labor intensive.

      • Hence my question. What works for an experiment doesn't really work for huge stretches of rangeland.

        I'm also extremely dubious that if you increase the total number of cattle you wouldn't run into phosphate and micronutrients depletion. There's already some evidence mineral erosion can't keep up with the amount of nutrients being extracted on a century timescale. We don't shit where the cattle eat.

        • On second thought, I don't think his veld is rangeland at all. It's probably pasture. Fertilized, requiring vastly more water than rangeland and competing with cropland. Which makes the article a bit disingenuous.

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      Why would you even confine them? Just let them graze in open prairies.

      • Their argument is that rotational grazing increases the amount of organic matter in the soil.

        Though despite all the fanboys, I don't see much experiments to prove that for rangeland.

  • > Researchers at Texas A&M University led by Professor Richard Teague found that even moderately effective grazing systems put more carbon in the soil than the gasses cattle emit.

    Okay, how much more?

    A kilogram of methane has the same environmental impact as up to 90 kilograms of CO2, because methane itself is a greenhouse gas, absorbs/traps different wavelengths compared to CO2, and eventually decays into CO2 and water vapor.

    So maybe if you just focus on the carbon it works? But what about total envi

    • The way some people talk about cows and methane would make you think they're eating coal or oil. The methane they produce is already part of the normal carbon cycle, this study is just showing that they poop and return carbon to the soil, and the result is more carbon in the ground than you'd have if the grasses just died and rotted on the surface or, more likely, eventually burned.
      • > The methane they produce is already part of the normal carbon cycle

        Sure. But methane is still 30-90 times worse a greenhouse gas as CO2.

        The spread is mostly due to how long a time frame you consider; at 20-30 years it's 90 times worse than the equivalent mass of CO2; at 100+ years it's "only" about 30 times worse. There is also more carbon in a kilogram of methane than a kilogram of CO2...

        So depending on what percentage of the carbon in the grass is converted to methane, you might actually be doing les

        • by Shotgun ( 30919 )

          When the grassland dies out due to the lack of grazing herds, ALL the carbon above and below the ground surface eventually ends up in the air, and now you have to deal with grassland that has turned into a desert.

        • by Muros ( 1167213 )

          Sure. But methane is still 30-90 times worse a greenhouse gas as CO2.

          The spread is mostly due to how long a time frame you consider; at 20-30 years it's 90 times worse than the equivalent mass of CO2; at 100+ years it's "only" about 30 times worse.

          Why stop at 30 years? At 500 years it's 7.6 times as bad as CO2.

          There is also more carbon in a kilogram of methane than a kilogram of CO2...

          Excellent point. There is 16/44 times as much carbon in CO2 as in CH4 per unit mass, which means that, on a 500 year timescale, the impact per carbon atom of CH4 compared to CO2 is... 7.6 * 16/44. 2.76 times the impact. Given that it is part of the active carbon cycle, being created by turning CO2 into CH4, that makes it 1.76 times as bad as producing CO2 from fossil fuels. On the 500 year scale, taking a return flight from London to the Canary

  • You are all cows. Save the climate, you cows! MOOOOOOOOOO!

    • You are all cows. Save the climate, you cows! MOOOOOOOOOO!

      Ahh, you know, of all the AC's that shitposted, Moocow man was the best. No insults, no foul language - I miss that guy.

  • Uhm, isn't the carbon just used to build up the plant, it's leaves also roots? That's why they do photosynthesis.Why would they waste the carbon by putting it right into the soil?
    The carbon only goes into the soil when the plant dies and rots.
  • by Impy the Impiuos Imp ( 442658 ) on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:11AM (#59810730) Journal

    Livestock has nothing to do with it. Even as artificial addition, they're just temporary disrupters of the already existing carbon cycle.

    The problem remains rapid insertion of gigatons of long-sequestered carbon.

  • I'm pretty sure this is just propaganda. Anyone that can add can see that the numbers just don't add up to the written conclusions.
  • by twocows ( 1216842 ) on Monday March 09, 2020 @10:41AM (#59811188)
    I'm kind of lazy, to be honest
  • In the US, over 41% of the land is already dedicated to livestock production [bloomberg.com].

    Globally, if you put all livestock on one continent, I believe it would entirely fill Africa.

    Livestock is already one of the main causes of deforestation, are we going to increase that even more for this nonsense idea?

    The only answer is to consume less animal products, we're well beyond 'peak livestock'.

    • Globally, if you put all livestock on one continent, I believe it would entirely fill Africa.

      Livestock is already one of the main causes of deforestation, are we going to increase that even more for this nonsense idea?

      The only answer is to consume less animal products, we're well beyond 'peak livestock'.

      That makes no sense, if they are the main cause of deforestation, and could already fill Africa, then consuming less won't help. We need to eat more of them! We must consume them much faster, before they fill the world!

      I'm going to get a hamburger right now. Maybe two, to help even more.

      Everyone, eat some cow before it's too late!

    • is not dedicated to livestock. Sorry, you fail at basic comprehension. The label is pasture/range but most of that is really desert.

  • The guys from alt.cows.moo.moo.moo are again at it.

  • Why is the wrong 14.5% value still being repeated? Cattle is responsible for 5% GHG emissions! The 14.5% is a completely irrelevant and distracting "lifecycle" value, that the authors of FAO's study have already explained is not comparable to anything and should not be compared to anything.

    You can read the explanation here: https://www.cgiar.org/news-events/news/fao-common-flawed-comparisons-greenhouse-gas-emissions-livestock-transport/ [cgiar.org]

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      Why is the wrong 14.5% value still being repeated?

      Because it makes livestock look worse than it is. And constant repetition is how you propagate lies (I won't risk running afoul of Godwin here).

  • Here in NZ our cows for the most part are pasture fed. However a boom in dairy has resulted in cows being farmed in places that are environmentally sensitive resulting in degradation of the environment and untold damage to the native flora and fauna displaced by that activity. We have irrigated and fertilised flood plains that have free draining soils resulting in high nitrate levels in our aquifers. We have rivers and lakes that have high nitrate levels from both the runoff of artificial fertilisers and th
  • I read the article a few days ago, and it seemed interesting. I have had open-air, all grass-fed beef and it tastes amazing. But, this method probably costs quite a bit more. Eco-friendly or not, I wonder if there is enough demand to cover the extra cost?

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