California Governor Issues Statewide Order To 'Stay At Home' To Prevent Spread of the Coronavirus (cnbc.com) 418
All residents in the state of California are being ordered to "stay at home" to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. "We need to bend the curve in the state of California," Governor Gavin Newsom said in a press conference. "There's a social contract here, people I think recognize the need to do more. They will adjust and adapt as they have." Newsom added: "Home isolation is not my preferred choice... but it is a necessary one. This is not a permanent state, it is a moment in time."
As of publication, 19 people in California have died and another 958 have tested positive for the disease. "The state projects that 25.5 million people in California will be infected with the coronavirus over an eight-week period," reports Los Angeles Times, citing a letter Newsom sent to President Trump on Wednesday. Newsom is requesting $1 billion in federal funds to support the state's medical response to the virus. He's also requesting the deployment of the U.S. Navy's Mercy Hospital Ship to the Port of Los Angeles through Sept. 1.
"The economic disruption caused by this public health crisis will have immediate and devastating effects on our entire country, including too many families in California," Newsom wrote. "The magnitude of this crisis is extraordinary and federal-state-local government coordination will be more critical than ever before."
As of publication, 19 people in California have died and another 958 have tested positive for the disease. "The state projects that 25.5 million people in California will be infected with the coronavirus over an eight-week period," reports Los Angeles Times, citing a letter Newsom sent to President Trump on Wednesday. Newsom is requesting $1 billion in federal funds to support the state's medical response to the virus. He's also requesting the deployment of the U.S. Navy's Mercy Hospital Ship to the Port of Los Angeles through Sept. 1.
"The economic disruption caused by this public health crisis will have immediate and devastating effects on our entire country, including too many families in California," Newsom wrote. "The magnitude of this crisis is extraordinary and federal-state-local government coordination will be more critical than ever before."
Itâ(TM)s about time (Score:2)
The pilot project has been running in the Bay Area for a few days now, and itâ(TM)s working well enough. No societal collapse. People are being remarkably civil.
We can figure out a solution for the rent/mortgage problem before the end of the month, Iâ(TM)m sure, and it will be easier to do when itâ(TM)s the state as a whole instead of county by county.
New York is what Iâ(TM)m worried about.
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Yeah... but how long can people take it? I do my “therapy swim” in the ocean every day, but staying inside constantly would drive me nuts.
We have scaled back social interactions (starting point is as an introvert) for over a week, but it is very hard for some people. If you ask them to do it for too long then there will be ramifications.
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No one is being ordered to stay inside constantly. The bay area order specifically encourages people to go outside and get some exercise if they want, just keep your distance from others who are not family.
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We can figure out a solution for the rent/mortgage problem before the end of the month, Iâ(TM)m sure, and it will be easier to do when itâ(TM)s the state as a whole instead of county by county.
Mortgages won't be too hard to deal with Some are already moving before they are pushed [newsthud.com]
The fed can require them to help out as part of the soon to be needed deal that will keep them solvent.
Private rent will be much more complicated though...
Re:Why would the feds help California? (Score:4, Informative)
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Magic. Newsom doesn't even have a plan for how they're supposed to pay their bills between now and then, let alone retrain.
How will people pay for food? Their mortgage? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:How will people pay for food? Their mortgage? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is going to be a hard lesson for many living paycheck to paycheck or not having a rainy day fund.
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-Complacency is bad. We the people are sheep. Baaaa.
Re:How will people pay for food? Their mortgage? (Score:4, Interesting)
No it will be a lesson to the USA as a whole, that countries with more solidarity and a less raw market economy, copy better with such issues at a large scale, than countries that are full of egoists that only think of how to get rich at the cost of others.
Re:How will people pay for food? Their mortgage? (Score:5, Interesting)
Will it be a hard lesson too for the State Legislature / Governor of California and the insane taxes and cost of living they inflict upon CA residents?
Cost of living in California is not high because of taxes, it’s high because of housing. The state government barely takes any money from people compared to what landlords and banks gobble up every month.
(Disclosure: I'm a landlord, and I offer competitive rents, because it encourages good tenants to apply and to stick around.)
Taxes in California are not "insane". They are not out of line with parts of the world with similar standards of living in their relative provincial or state regions. I pay the legal minimum of tax, but I pay it willingly. (IMHO everyone should.)
The government of California does not "inflict" a cost of living on California residents. That comes about from market forces. Granted, California is an expensive place to live, but that's because it's a desirable location, not because of the government.
As for landlords and banks gobbling up portions of our income monthly, I hope I'm one of the good guys here. But what landlords and banks take is due largely to market forces -- demand for housing, mortgage interest rates (correlated with 10-year bonds), costs of running a business, and so on.
Re:How will people pay for food? Their mortgage? (Score:5, Interesting)
That's partially true. But the high cost of living in California cities and in many other cities around the nation is mainly due to city government regulations such as minimum parking requirements, height limits, maximum floor area ratios, minimum setbacks, and residential streets wide enough for two lanes of traffic plus parking on both sides. Then you have silly regulations against building residential in commercial zones, unlike in Japan where you can build residential in commercial zones but not the opposite [blogspot.com], which makes more sense to me. And then cities take literally years to approve construction permits, driving up the cost of building anything. It's madness, but Minnesota shows how the state can fix it [strongtowns.org]. In this way, the state plays a role in allowing cities to drive up the cost of housing. But it gets worse.
California's land is naturally more expensive than other states due to being a desirable location, but the way land is supply-limited by so many unnecessary regulations drives up housing demand and the cost of housing significantly. Wasting land in cities, especially in landlocked cities, acts as a cost-of-housing multiplier, and that's just the way current homeowners like it, their own kids and grandkids be damned!
Meanwhile, Prop 13 (a statewide California law) makes younger families pay multiple times as much in property taxes as older homeowners for the very same property. I'm not kidding! In this way, the state protecting people from the tax consequences of their windfall real estate profits only encourages property owners to do everything they politically can to increase the cost of housing on everyone else.
So while you are technically correct that "the government of California does not inflict a cost of living on California residents," the reality is vastly different when you look below the surface!
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A month? Credible estimates go up to eighteen months before there is a vaccine. Several countries including Japan are reporting reinfections. If you can be reinfected then it's not going to be safe to stop sheltering in place until a vaccine has been developed and distributed, or everyone not naturally immune is dead, whichever comes first.
We have no plan for this. And it's taking long enough to develop one that lives are being lost.
I want to stay home, but I can't afford to. I have to work. A thousand buck
finally someone with guts to do it (Score:4, Interesting)
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Rubbish. The pandemic can only be stopped one there is a vaccine or herd immunity. Premature shutdown just kicks the can down the road.
The USA has handled this crisis abysmally.
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Re:finally someone with guts to do it (Score:5, Interesting)
Is that really a thing? Or is it just what they're telling us?
It's impossible to know at this time because China's government lies so much.
That's not unique, but it is relevant.
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Is that really a thing? Or is it just what they're telling us?
It's impossible to know at this time because China's government lies so much.
That's not unique, but it is relevant.
Keep saying that to delude yourself into thinking the problem cannot be solved thus you do not need do anything.
Everywhere the virus was spreading without hard lockdown, the number of known cases grew by a factor of 10 every 8 days. So after 40 days, it would have grown by a factor of 100,000.
So what, you may say. That means even if China had an unknown infected population of, say, 15k (a fraction of the reported 80k cases), then after 40 days, it would grow to 1.5 billion, more than their entire populati
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That's not what I said, but keep trying.
I can believe that China's methods are helping, but I don't trust their numbers.
Nor would anyone who pays attention.
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Re:finally someone with guts to do it (Score:5, Funny)
How about South Korea and Japan then? Isn't it simpler to accept declining cases than to believe everyone is lying?
Does Japan really exist?
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A totalitarian government that can force its citizens into quarantine, including breaking up families.
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No, if the ports of entry had been shut down then it would *delay* the pandemic. Eventually it would get in and you would be in the current situation. It would have been helpful to delay it however, so it was not simultaneous in many countries, so you are correct that closing things (including not allowing any expat Americans back in) would have helped.
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The US will easily pass Italy in total cases by the end of the month (10 days). I don't believe you've been following the trends very closely or you don't understand them. All the nations are following very similar curves. It's not that Italy was bad, they just had a couple day head start. If you normalize start dates you'll see that the US case rate has a much steeper slope than Italy's did.
Sure some of it is ramped up testing but that means we're testing all the horses that are milling around outside
Cases or cases per capita? (Score:3)
The US will easily pass Italy in total cases by the end of the month (10 days).
The United States has 327.2 million people, Italy 60.48 million. To pass the number of cases per capita, the United States would need to have 327.2/60.48 = 5.4 times as many cases as Italy. Are total cases really as relevant as cases per capita or, better yet, cases per hospital bed?
Can't wait to see the air quality numbers (Score:5, Interesting)
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Sadly (happily?) we will never see awesome air quality stats from the LA Basin and similar CA metro areas like this ever again -- not in any of our lifetimes anyway
Nah, once electric cars become popular, we'll have similar air quality levels on most days, and it will be great.
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I gotta say - before I shifted to full-time telework a couple days ago, my Seattle-area commutes were like nothing I've ever seen (even going back to the 1980s recession). I drove 40-odd miles to and from UW at the speed limit or better.
Easy for him to say (Score:4, Interesting)
He's going to keep going to work and getting paid. He's got a home. I need to go to work to get paid. And I'm living in an Airbnb while trying to find a place to live. And if I can't work then I don't have enough income for that because there's a housing shortage in California, partly because of fires, partly because cities won't approve sufficiently high-density housing, and partly because of... Airbnbs. So what am I supposed to do, bend over and vanish up my own asshole?
I'll shelter in place as soon as either my work closes down which isn't going to happen until we're forced to do so at gunpoint (and we're a repair facility which was exempted by our county's shelter in place order) or Gavin arranges for me to be paid my full wages while the order is in effect, not some pathetic fraction that UI would give me. I can't afford to do anything else. You can blame me all you want, but I didn't invent this shit system. I've opposed it consistently. Even when I've made good money I've voted for candidates who supported social safety nets.
Your system doesn't work for me, so fuck you, I won't do what you tell me, motherfucker.
Make it work for me and I'll play along. Newsom claims he's seeking funding to provide that kind of assistance. That should have been done BEFORE this order, not after.
It's just another unfunded mandate.
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Your system doesn't work for me, so fuck you, I won't do what you tell me, motherfucker.
I mean, great, but where are you going to go? I was hanging out in libraries until those closed, coffee shops until those closed. I could go sit in a park or stand in a meadow, but it's been raining. There's just nothing to do. I do a daily walk to Target to Safeway, but I don't want to be there either. Nothing.
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My employer isn't going to shut down until forced. He can't afford to pay me to not work. I can't live on unemployment. So I'm going to go to work as long as I can, until someone stops me personally, or shuts it down, or pays me what I make at work to not go to work. I'm not going to go to speakeasys or whatever, I'm not going out for fun. If I could afford to, I'd rather stay home. But I'm not in that position, and no amount of hopes and dreams will make it so.
Most Americans can't come up with $400 in an e
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"He needs a giant slap in the face from an adult"
Come get some, snowflake.
"From his posts he seems relatively young, healthy, and claims to be smart and knowledgeable."
I'm in my forties, my health is not that great even putting aside my ass-mar, and smart and knowledgeable plus five bucks will get you a latte at Starfucks.
"Posting socialist shit on slashdot will not improve his life nor his attitude which is key to life improvement."
Telling people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps won't improve anyt
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You could start playing WoW again!!
Federal help??? (Score:2)
Maybe if these giant companies in California would actually PAY Federal taxes, they would be entitled to Federal aid.
Re:Bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course people are drinking up the panic and will gladly let the government corral them into their homes. Bleat for your masters. You are not people. You are commodities traded daily, profited from, and culled like livestock.
And folks, we found one of the people responsible for requiring this escalation!
The people responsible weren't /. trolls (Score:4, Interesting)
During the SARs panic work was done on a general purpose vaccine and was proceeding nicely until the funding got cut. Vaccines aren't profitable so as soon as the scare was over funding got pulled. Same thing will happen when this blows over in 6 months to a year.
Re:Bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think the OP is the problem (Score:3)
I'd like to say we're all to blame, save for the few who tried to warn us to shore up our social safety nets and systems. A few numbnuts and trolls didn't make that happen, it took a concerted effort on the part of a willfully ignorant electorate wh
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Well, in California, this will probably fly (except in rural areas, where it may be quietly ignored for/by people going to work).
Re: Good luck with that (Score:5, Informative)
Work was closed. Everything "non essential" is closed. There is no where to go.
You think people are showing at their office jobs and shooting their way in or something?
Everything is closed. It's all shutdown. Everyone is at home. There is nowhere to go except noted "essential" businesses.
It's real. It has already been happening all week where I am.
Re: Good luck with that (Score:5, Informative)
bay area resident here, too. everyone who is SMART is staying home, money or no money. money won't help if you cant breath and there are not vent[illators]. very real possibility.
I'm staying home. I'm holder, I have no need to 'test our overburdened HC system'. my company has been WFH the last 2 weeks, pretty much.
anyone who was WATCHING, stocked up 2 or 3 weeks ago. I'm no prepper but I stocked up and can live for the next 2 weeks ok; 3 weeks with some effort (with limited stock in my shelves).
its going to suck, eating canned goods, etc - but flattening the curve (as they say) DOES WORK and every bit helps.
don't be selfish. don't act like you are immortal. you do NOT want to get pneumonia. I had it once when I was younger and it nearly killed me. a feeling of drowing, can't breathe, can't get the fluid out of your lungs, try to heimlich yourself and it just isn't working. that goes on for MONTHS while you are sick. trust me, guys and ladies, you don't want this. you don't even want 1/10 of that. I had it, I barely lived thru it (a decade ago) and I dont' want to sample what this variety is like.
stay home. please.
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sorry, strange typo I have to correct:
I'm staying home. I'm older ...
That's fine if you can (Score:2)
Somebody here on
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Somebody here on /. pointed out that however much damage the virus might do the hit to the economy might end up killing more. It's been shown that poor economies kill. There's the obvious stuff (can't afford proper nutrition, suicides, lack of money to pay for medical care) and the not so obvious (poor folks eat worse, stress kills, etc, etc).
A lot of places wanted to keep schools open, because that was where a large number of kids were getting at least a bit of decent food.
It's going to be a total disaster economically unless the government pulls it's head out. Both sides. All levels.
NY has 100,000 homeless students (Score:3)
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Forget the virus, get back to work everyone.
No.
I think this is panic and stupidity combined.
Ironic.
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Why pay the very wealthy and rich with free gov money?
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Whats wrong with "means tested"?
Why pay the very wealthy and rich with free gov money?
Just tax it back.
Re:How fucking brainwashed are you? (Score:5, Informative)
Call us, when the wealthy pay any fuckig taxes AT ALL the first time in their leech lives!
Ring, ring! Estimates for 2019 total tax payments in the USA:
Depending on where you feel like slicing it in your angry rant about the wealthy, the top 5% paid 40.4% of all taxes and the top 20% paid 66.5%.
Source: Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy
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The Top 1% also own about 40% of all wealth in America, so that 24% tax share might seem a bit low.
From - https://equitablegrowth.org/th... [equitablegrowth.org]
The top 1% seem to have about 40% of all the wealth, the top 5% seem to have about 75% of all the wealth, and the top 20% seem to have about 90% of all the w
Re:That's fine if you can (Score:5, Interesting)
Somebody here on /. pointed out that however much damage the virus might do the hit to the economy might end up killing more. It's been shown that poor economies kill.
I'm not the right one to speak authoritatively on how accurate/inaccurate that is. However, I've seen it shown that the opposite is actually true. While there might be an increase in deaths within some groupintgs, more suicides and ODs for example, the overall death rate declines during a recession/depression. The speculation about why is broad. Fewer traffic accidents, fewer work related accidents, better air-quality, less physical stress on the body, less smoking and obesity, more physical activities to fill downtime.
Re:That's fine if you can (Score:4, Interesting)
There's an economic answer for this. Right now, doing nothing, the projections (don't care if you don't believe them, that's what the policies are being based on) call for millions of Americans to die. That's not gonna be good for the economy - or the chances of the elected leaders (at every level) remaining in their positions.
However, at some point it stops costing less to save a life, and starts costing more to keep people alive. America can't afford to lose 2-3 million to an unchecked spread of COVID. But at some point they can't afford to shut down the economy to save X amount. X is yet to be determined, but 2-3 months from now people might just be fed up enough that they're willing to roll the dice on their family and friends, and sacrifice 1/100th of their contacts list to get back to a normal life. America is already one big death panel that has collectively voted EVERY TIME to sentence tens (hundreds?) of thousands to death per year through an inadequate health care system and defunding our safety nets - not to mention all the firearms deaths we actively vote for through politicians that strengthen the 2nd amendment.
We will save millions through shutting everything down. We will kill hundreds of thousands when we start everything back up before a vaccine or effective treatment is found.
Once we start realizing that we can't treat anything BUT COVID-19 - and lose hundreds of thousands of to cancer, heart attacks, many fewer transplants and other life-saving surgeries, other diseases and syndromes - we're going to be willing to trade saving COVID patients for saving other patients as we just become DONE with treating "them" at the expense of "the rest of us." Although COVID will take many of those others anyway, as their compromised immune systems won't be able to stand up to it, so maybe we just accept the death of anyone above a certain age or with certain conditions if they can't survive COVID or haven't already gotten it.
A lot of THAT could have been saved if we had shut down economies earlier. But we didn't, so here we are.
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"fuck curfew, I need to make a living", and so far I don't see anything being done to stop that.
You are silly.
Three ways to stop it:
* national guard
* police
* army
Or do you really think anyone is letting the hell break lose?
Eventually Marshall Law gets called, and as a rule when that starts it never ends. I don't know a lot of countries that get handed over to military rule and go back to civilian rule. At least not in a short period of time.
If you believe that about your country then I wonder why half of t
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In two weeks, if we're anywhere near where Italy is now, with caravans of military trucks carrying coffins of the dead to be disposed of, very few will be saying "fuck curfew". Even if they have to eat less and not pay bills for a while. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
Working at home without tools (Score:3)
How are people working at home without an opportunity to retrieve those tools necessary for working at home from a closed office or school?
Re: Good luck with that (Score:4, Insightful)
anyone who was WATCHING, stocked up 2 or 3 weeks ago. I'm no prepper but I stocked up
Yeah you're part of the problem that created a completely artificial shortage where there is none. On behalf of people who weren't able to run on the shops before you "smart" nutjobs cleaned them out I extend a middle finger.
Fortunately locally we don't deal with prepping idiots and our country's lockdown was not associated with any trouble buying groceries, though some idiot came in one day and apparently tried to buy all of the toilet paper before being kicked out of the store.
Californians ordered to stay home (Score:3)
Coronavirus Deaths are almost only because of other illness. 99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says [bloomberg.com] (Mar. 18, 2020)
In general, leaders are not being strictly logical about the Coronavirus.
99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness (Score:2)
99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says [bloomberg.com]
It seems to me that there may be a more understanding approach to dealing with the Coronavirus.
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So how's that going to play out in 3-4 weeks (Score:2)
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Re: Good luck with that (Score:4, Informative)
no they mostly won't, that's not how this virus nor any other viral pandemic work works. In general, they'll get mild symptom and then be fine.
Re: Good luck with that (Score:4, Informative)
no they mostly won't, that's not how this virus nor any other viral pandemic work works. In general, they'll get mild symptom and then be fine.
In general, if they're older and get sick when hospitals are overwhelmed, they will very much get very sick, they will very much spread the virus to their elderly friends and, then, they will very much die in large numbers and all at once.
That is very much how this viral pandemic "works."
Re: Good luck with that (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually you're wrong on both accounts. Doctors have a legal right to give you medication without your permission. And while you can peacefully assemble you don't have a right to do it anywhere you want. For instance, try it on the White House lawn and get back to me.
Some of them will be dead though (Score:2)
Still, you're more or less correct. Especially for anyone young. A particularly nasty group of trolls has been going around calling the pandemic the "boomer remover". So far as I can tell it's all people looking to get a rise out of the over 50 crowd (it worked too).
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Still, you're more or less correct. Especially for anyone young. A particularly nasty group of trolls has been going around calling the pandemic the "boomer remover". So far as I can tell it's all people looking to get a rise out of the over 50 crowd (it worked too).
They'd better hope some well-armed boomer doesn't take it on himself to clear the beaches of Miami or Palm Springs this week.
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And only people you don't know personally will die, so you're ok with that.
I'm waiting for 'em to show up on Slashdot next (Score:2)
Are you [iggymanz] advocating for the "Let 'em die" policy of my other comment?
However now it has occurred to me that a whole lot of Californians have a whole lot of free time on their hands. What percentage have to infect Slashdot before we're overwhelmed?
It's a joke. They're already in the house.
Is it now against the law? (Score:5, Interesting)
During the hunt for the Boston Marathon bomber, the mayor of Cambridge ordered everyone off the streets - but it wasn't a legal order, in that it wasn't illegal to violate the order. This was only made clear to people after it was over.
So I have to wonder: is this a martial law order, meaning that you can be arrested and thrown in jail for violating it? Or is it a strong suggestion?
What is the exact legal status of the order?
It will be interesting to see if anyone disregards the order, and if they are arrested, and if they then sue the government for violation of rights.
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"So I have to wonder: is this a martial law order, meaning that you can be arrested and thrown in jail for violating it? "
No. It is a "state of emergency" order and has some weight behind it. Misdemeanor -- if it's enforced which CA and every county is hoping it wont need to be. Because if they are serious about this and dont get public buy-in the next step *IS* martial law. Which would suck worse than Our Mayor Garcetti's "Safer at home order" Orwellian phraseology.
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Then congrats, you just told the most heavily armed population in human history ..
Well thank you for that dank little glimpse into the fractured reasoning and fevered thought processes of the right wing 2nd amendment solution types.
I would advise you to put down the gaming console loaded with The Last of Us [playstation.com] because obviously that and reality are intermixing in your Hannity-saturated brain, but on second thought keeping you occupied might be better for the everyone else.
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We are just sheep at this point.
Any country with an official "Let 'em die" policy? (Score:2)
Who are you [rsilvergun] talking to? Who is the "you" that you are referring to? And what do you think they are doing versus what they should be doing? Also, where are these guns coming from?
Here is my attempt to interpret what you are saying. Please feel free to correct the parts I can't even guess about.
I think you mean that mandatory isolation is an insufficient response without strong economic support. No attempt to distinguish between people who need and don't need any economic support and no evidence
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Your reply is no more substantive than his [rsilvergun's]. Also nothing relevant to my new question.
Opinions are like... Anyway, since you had nothing to say, why did you say nothing?
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lol OK.
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It's a game of words. They are not trying to prevent the spread, that is impossible, they are trying to slow it. So they order everyone to stay at home and expect everyone to break that order but at different paces. Some will ignore it from the get go, some will last a week and some will last two weeks, hell some might manage a month. So that spreads out the impact of the contagion over time.
Keep in mind that for by far the majority, the affects of infection can be from nothing to a minor cold. Only for the
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At some point they'll send the police to shut down the Tesla plant, just to make the point. However, they're never going to do the same for farmers and agricultural workers. The California government? Rounding up all the Hispanic workers in the fields, like they were ICE or something? Are you mad?
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At some point they'll send the police to shut down the Tesla plant, just to make the point. However, they're never going to do the same for farmers and agricultural workers. The California government? Rounding up all the Hispanic workers in the fields, like they were ICE or something? Are you mad?
Why would they round up the field workers? As with the factories, the punishment would be a fine handed out to the employers. Sending the police and ICE would not be nearly as effective as making it expensive for the people with the real power to continue to flout the rules.
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However, they're never going to do the same for farmers and agricultural workers. The California government? Rounding up all the Hispanic workers in the fields, like they were ICE or something? Are you mad?
Of course not, they already have exemptions as essential. [cnbc.com]
According to the order, Californians in 16 critical sectors are to continue working despite the order. Those include emergency services, energy and food and agriculture.
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Of course they do. Otherwise, we'd all be Nazis!
Re:ahahaha (Score:4, Insightful)
At some point they'll send the police to shut down the Tesla plant, just to make the point. However, they're never going to do the same for farmers and agricultural workers. The California government? Rounding up all the Hispanic workers in the fields, like they were ICE or something? Are you mad?
Agriculture and food production are specifically exempted from shelter-in-place along with hospitals and public safety. All those services are deemed essential and have special exemptions.
But, carry on with your uninformed bashing I suppose.
This. Consider the kinds of industries that carry on as usual, in the face of a recession: consumer staples, health care, utilities, and communications. These are the same kinds of industries that need to carry on in the face of an exogenous event such as a global pandemic. We all need to survive, and we all need the part of the economy that lets us do that.
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Not only that but in general those industry that provide are not the type that spread a person to person disease easily. That farmer in the field can keep plowing, that delivery truck driver and keep driving. 2000 people bopping up and down in a nightclub spilling bear on each other, that's a good way of spreading disease, a packed bus, a busy office, a school yard with 1000 kids, they are all the things that need to be closed.
One of the biggest risks we face with the spread of the disease now is the collec
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Do you also accept full responsibility for all the others you may infect? Not everyone has the option to stay home, and you're putting them at risk too.
Maybe you don't like it, but the alternative is being laid out for us by Italy, where their infection rates are still skyrocketing, and their death rates are now at 8%.
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As you say, it depends on the numbers that you look at.
If you want to look at numbers that don't make the USA look so great, take a gander at a chart that shows infection rate to recovery rate.
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In 4-5 days, US cases will be where Italy is now, around 40,000.
In four days, the US will exceed 50k cases. We finished yesterday at 13.8k, by the end of today we'll be up to 19k. Tomorrow we'll hit 26k, Sunday will be 36k and Monday we'll get to 50k. 10 days from now we'll have nearly 350k cases, far exceeding the global total today. And those numbers might actually be a little optimistic, because our reproduction rate has climbed a bit in the last two days. After that, the growth rate should slow, because we'll be hitting the two-week point of the first big lockd
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OMG civilization is collapsing!! We're all gonna die! Corona!!!!1!!1!!!!
If we don't slow it down enough to prevent our health system from being overwhelmed, about 5% of us are going to die. And about 40% of those are going to be people between 20 and 50. With good medical treatment, the overall death rate is lower, perhaps 1-2%, and concentrated almost entirely in the elderly population. But about 40% of cases requiring hospitalization are young and middle-aged adults, and nearly all of them will die if they can't get treatment, mostly supplemental oxygen. Kids, thankfully
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If you could accept the risk for yourself and no one else, you'd be right. Except that other people get sick. Face it, this is not a world of individuals in bubbles. Your rights end where they impact someone else.
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Wish I could give you the funny mod you deserve.
My theory is that some of the older identities have been pwned. Either that or they've gone senile.
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You're allowed to go wander in a meadow. You're allowed to go to McDonalds and get take out. There is no order that forbids you from leaving your home. People are getting a bit too excitable without reading the orders. They are restricting mostly large gatherings and unnecessary large business operations.
The CA order is a bit unclear, but the Bay Area order allows minimum necessary workers at businesses that aren't essential, allows lots of exceptions for essential businesses, allows take out, allows wa
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The news articles that don't link to the order are whipping people into a frenzy because that's what they like to do. I hate to have this much in common with the conservatives who are always complaining about the media causing all the problems but reporting on this without telling the whole story is irresponsible at best.
The media is at fault here if the order doesn't actually prevent me from going to work and earning the money I need to exist in this capitalist system. Unemployment isn't enough for me to h
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Have you heard any news lately, e.g. from European countries with rising cases, that warn that it is very important to flatten the rate of rise, so that the health system will not collapse?!?
It is incredible that there are still people so uninformed, making such damaging and dangerous statements. I thought even Trump had learned this by now.