How We Can Save the Comic Book Industry (pbs.org) 146
destinyland writes: For the first time in many years, the first Saturday in May won't mark Free Comic Book Day, as the worldwide comic celebration at comic-book stores has been postponed amid coronavirus concerns," reports Oklahoma's largest newspaper — saying it's been postponed to an unspecified new date in the future. But they're suggesting fans can support their local shops anyways, with some still offering limited services, while others "may still be closed but offer gift cards or other online shopping options." I think those of us who have money should observe "Not-Free Comic Book Day" — where we seek out a local comic book retailer, and ask them to mail us a bunch of comic books and graphic novels. (It also means more money going to the postal service.) Or maybe order some comic books to be sent to a younger reader who's sheltering at home.
The Associated Press reports that the pandemic "poses a particular threat to comic book shops, a pop-culture institution that has, through pluck and passion, held out through digital upheaval while remaining stubbornly resistant to corporate ownership..." They write that the whole industry "is at a standstill that some believe jeopardizes its future, casting doubt on how many shops will make it through and what might befall the gathering places of proud nerds, geeks and readers everywhere."
But it also quotes Joe Field, the owner of Flying Color Comics in Concord, California, who came up with Free Comic Book Day. "Comic book retailers are the cockroaches of pop culture.We have been through all kinds of things that were meant to put us out of business, whether it's the new digital world or distribution upheaval or Disney buying Marvel. We have adapted and pivoted and remade our businesses in ways that are unique and survivable."
Individual shops seem to be announcing their own individual celebrations using the #FCBD tag on Twitter. And at least one publisher is using the occasion to stream an alternative event online, reports CBR. "Alt FCD, taking place over the course of May 1 and 2, will feature virtual panels with comic book creators and free digital downloads of books. The event will be streamed on Facebook, Twitch and YouTube."
The Associated Press reports that the pandemic "poses a particular threat to comic book shops, a pop-culture institution that has, through pluck and passion, held out through digital upheaval while remaining stubbornly resistant to corporate ownership..." They write that the whole industry "is at a standstill that some believe jeopardizes its future, casting doubt on how many shops will make it through and what might befall the gathering places of proud nerds, geeks and readers everywhere."
But it also quotes Joe Field, the owner of Flying Color Comics in Concord, California, who came up with Free Comic Book Day. "Comic book retailers are the cockroaches of pop culture.We have been through all kinds of things that were meant to put us out of business, whether it's the new digital world or distribution upheaval or Disney buying Marvel. We have adapted and pivoted and remade our businesses in ways that are unique and survivable."
Individual shops seem to be announcing their own individual celebrations using the #FCBD tag on Twitter. And at least one publisher is using the occasion to stream an alternative event online, reports CBR. "Alt FCD, taking place over the course of May 1 and 2, will feature virtual panels with comic book creators and free digital downloads of books. The event will be streamed on Facebook, Twitch and YouTube."
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Geeks who like comic books.
Comic Tropes on YouTube has given me a new appreciation for the medium.
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Geeks who like comic books.
And why should nerds care?
Re:How can? (Score:4, Informative)
We should save the comic book industry because/if the stories are good, and worth the price. Funny thing: the crowdfunded comic book industry is growing like crazy. They make books people actually want to read, or the projects don't get funded. It's the old-school model that's failing, mostly because they're publishing books no one wants, but also because the economics of monthly comics aren't great. The pandemic was just the straw that broke the camel's back, but it was already a dead camel walking.
Of the old-school content, pretty much only Batman, Spiderman, and X-Men comics regularly sell enough to be a solid business, and nothing consistently sells 100,000 copies. It amazes me that e.g. Star Wars can't manage 50,000 subscribers, given the still-massive fan base, but that comic book just isn't worth a $5/month subscription to most fans. Compare that to the combined Star Wars fan channels on YouTube, and their combined Patreon etc funding, and you can see Marvel is doing something very wrong. And it's not the politics surrounding the recent movies, set that aside, the comics do stuff like steal fan art/designs for starships without acknowledgement, and the writing is generally uninspired. Hey, Marvel, how about you just hire the fan creators whose work you're stealing?
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Both Marvel and DC have read-all-you-want subscription services. The Marvel one is $10/month, I don't know about the DC one because it geoblocks me and I can't be bothered to go around it.
So comic subscriptions are bound to be way down, same as cable TV ones are. Doesn't meant people aren't reading them, just that people prefer a fixed monthly rental cost and reading on a tablet/phone over owning a physical copy.
Japan is way ahead in this regard so serves as a useful indicator as to where the rest of the wo
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Oxymoron. If the stories are good and worth the price, the industry wouldn't need saving.
Let it change with the times (Score:4, Insightful)
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Web comics are accessible to everyone, you can pay the authors directly, there's no paper needed, no transport needed, no physical space taken to store your comics, you'll never lose them if you make backups, etc.
TL;DR paper is (mostly) dead, get over it.
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No thanks (Score:2, Insightful)
After how they monopolised distribution and basically nailed comic book shops' balls to the floor while flooding the market with utter libtard crap nobody wanted and then calling their customers basically incels for not buying their crap....
Seriously, in what free capitalist market should this industry survive?
Re: No thanks (Score:4, Insightful)
Just because you're viciously controlling distribution channels doesn't mean you can't also be an SJW. One is a business method. The other is a political belief system. They are unrelated and not in conflict.
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I am an old fan. Comic books have explored all _sorts_ of popular and unpopular politics over their lifespan: For example, Wonder Woman was originally much more of a bondage and S&M based character. It's why she lost all her power if her hands were tied. Batman used to kill without regret.The themes and morals in comic books do eveolve over time, and new generations' icons do have new messages.
What seems a problem now is that the youngest potential fans have _very_ short attention fans, and want much sh
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Yes, at one level comic books are about drawing naked women by disguising their bodies with a "costume".
But while the adults snuck in bondage elements- the comics were *never* explicitly about B&D or BDSM. They were suitable for children who were ignorant of what those elements meant to adults. It was even too subtle for many adults.
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I don't see how you can claim that comic books are about drawing nearly naked women but somehow were "never" about genuinely adult themes. Genocide, treachery, and perturbing sexual imagery are critical to many non-mainstream comics. They're deeply embedded in Japanese manga, which did not follow the American "Comics Code Authority" which censored American comics from 1954 until roughly 2001. To see more explicit stories, one had to step aside from Marvel and DC and examine more independent books.
Even for t
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The few younger readers I've met in the last decade were not interested in longer story arcs or longer runs. Do you have a different experience?
I admit that "graphic novels" do cover a longer run, but the younger fans seem uninterested in the suspense of waiting for the next month's issue, and would prefer to read the story as a set after completion. I admit that it was _fascinating_ when Watchmen was printed to have forgotten details from the first issue and go back to the original issues for details that
Re:Nobody's an SJW when money's on the table (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm a proud fighter for social justice.
I hate the term SJW.
So let's title it more accurately.
"3rd wave toxic misandrist actions to attack 80%+ of their male, predominantly white customers".
I was discussing the fact that today's young men (I'm elderly) are not getting fair treatment by society with a female feminist friend of mine who has become increasingly radicalized and out of touch with reality over the last 24 months.
I said, "having 56% of college students be female indicates a problem and the trend is towards 58% by 2026".
She said, "58%! because of past patriarchal abuses, it should be 70% female".
I.e., she's no longer interested in seeking a fair and just society.
A *real* "SJW" fights for a society where jobs, education, medical care are fairly distributed. These so-called "SJW"'s are actively hostile to 40% of society. They don't want fairness. They want revenge and payback. And that 40% of society (plus a good 30% of females) has noticed, is triggered, and is sick and tired of being unfairly treated and attacked for things that happened before they were born. And outside of the tiny slice of the wealthiest families, these young haven't benefited from that past abuses of the patriarchy.
98% of men suffer, die, commit and suicide disproportionately. They are in no mood to be attacked by a ruthless minority looking for payback- not a fair and just society.
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Welp, they sure acted like they were selling insulin to diabetics.
Marvel, DC and Dark Horse (and others) exclusively distributed via Diamond in the US.
And since allcomic shops had no alternative than to go through Diamond, they were forced to buy minimum stock of normal versions of comics to even be eligible to buy special editions.
They were also known to make availability of hot products dependent on buying dust collectors.
This wouldn't be that bad if jot for the idea that Diamond did not sell to comic boo
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Isn't that bizarre?!?!
Business 101: Do not attack your own customers.
Business 102: Do not attack your own products in front of customers.
(Business 103: Never preannounce until the channel is clear of old product- the Osborne Computer rule)
Yet-- for some crazy reason these "evil ultra profit' companies *are* attacking their own customers and attacking their own products.
In both the comic book industry *and* hollywood the result is bomb after bomb and declining sales for the affected franchises.
Why do they ke
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In both the comic book industry *and* hollywood the result is bomb after bomb and declining sales for the affected franchises.
I would *love* to bomb that hard. At $22.5 billion, the Marvel ECU is the highest grossing film franchise ever, with on average a billion dollars box office from a average $200 million investment.
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Until captain marvel, the MCU didn't attack their own customers or lie about box office.
Too many pictures of empty theaters with sold out seats and personally verified that side and front row seats "sold out" instead of premium position seats. Of all my friends who see every MCU film multiple times- exactly 2 saw Captain Marvel. The rest skipped it. So I don't believe the numbers for marvel. On top of that- they showed *net* profit percentages were down for that quarter in their financials-- how exactly
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Stop alienating audiences (Score:4, Interesting)
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So basically it's YouTube and Reddit nonsense that is killing comics, poisoning people's minds against them.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy too. The fewer people like you buy comics the more they will have to look for new audiences which means diversifying. A lot of comics from the golden and silver ages had young boys either become the hero or be the hero's sidekick because that sold well, so of course they are going to do that with the changing demographics.
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How about some support for the contention?
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So basically it's YouTube and Reddit nonsense that is killing comics, poisoning people's minds against them.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy too. The fewer people like you buy comics the more they will have to look for new audiences which means diversifying. A lot of comics from the golden and silver ages had young boys either become the hero or be the hero's sidekick because that sold well, so of course they are going to do that with the changing demographics.
There is no diverse new audience out there. If they haven't been buying the books already why would they start now?
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It seems pretty doubtful to me that the entire industry and every creator in it has somehow managed to alienate you. If you feel strongly enough about it, just vote with your
agenda pushing is NOT the problem (Score:2)
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Dude, you're working in the comic book industry. Surely you know how to call Superman, Batman, Iron Man, Thor and all the others. They'll save you - it's their job!
Begging the question? (Score:4, Insightful)
Where does it say that the comic book industry needs saving?
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Most of the comic books have heroes that keep on saving people, cities, planets and galaxies. In their mind, "needing saving" is a basic need just like you and I need oxygen to live.
No need.. (Score:2)
It is not like Marvel or DC has any monetary problems at this point in time. The movies keep them quite profitable. And they will not ditch comic books because it is through comic books that characters / plots / and other ideas are tested. These big players could give the books away for free and it would still be worth it for them purely from the perspective of market research and brand development.
Emphasis should be on big players... The other smaller players will have a much harder time because the
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Movies are a different part of the companies. And comic books have been fertile soil for artists and authors to learn how to tell a story, to see dozens or hundreds of examples of very good and some truly awful stories, with a veyr small investment in money.
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Constantly Rebooting Characters (Score:5, Interesting)
Rinse and repeat for every character ever.
Some publishers try for a "multiverse" or "infinite Earths" way of having different versions of the same hero, but meh.
And now in modern time, the joys of politically correct virtue signaling has taken any spirit left out of the comics.
All that's left for comic stores is a healthy dose of card games like magic, Think Geek and Hot Topic -like pop culture gifts, and D&D supplies.
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And now in modern time, the joys of politically correct virtue signaling has taken any spirit left out of the comics.
I take it you haven't been paying attention to comics. Comics have always...repeating ALWAYS, had social-justice elements.
The first issue of Captain America had him punching Hitler on the cover..BEFORE the US entered WWII.
Or the Superman anti-racism poster: https://www.dccomics.com/blog/... [dccomics.com]
Or when Superman battled the "Clan of the Fiery Cross" on the radio show in 1946
Or when Marvel comics showed African-Americans as police officers, doctors, or assistant editors of newspapers in the 60's.
Or basically the
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First, here's a picture of Superman beating a "SJW"
https://www.dccomics.com/sites... [dccomics.com]
You're welcome
Captain America punched Hitler on March 1, 1941
https://www.marvel.com/comics/... [marvel.com]
The Lend-Lease Act that enabled us to send aid to the UK, was Just a Bill on Capitol Hill. It was met with resistance, but passed. Here's the vote from Mar 8.
https://www.govtrack.us/congre... [govtrack.us]
Wide margin, but you can see the dissent there. I'm not going to interpret what red and blue stood for in 1941 but red clearly had the bulk
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"misandrist"? Is this another way to say "I'm a basement-dwelling virgin"?
That's a good way of describing whoever got up one morning and said "You know what would be a good idea? If Thor had a vagina!"
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I feel the need to point out that Thor was once an alien kangaroo.
Re:Constantly Rebooting Characters (Score:4, Insightful)
What the hell are you talking about? "Social Justice" is about demonizing everyone who has done the hard work of building modern civilization and dwelling on past perceived slights, and punisheing people who never oppressed or enslaved anyone at any time. When the phrase "color-blind society" is perceived as racist, you have lost any sense of proportion. You note that no one in the SJW community ever talks about "equality" - they want revenge. Against *people who had nothing to do with keeping them down in the first place*.
If Social Justice was about showing how blond white Americans should go around punching the bad guys in the face, I don't think you would have much of a problem selling comic books about it.
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Nice, you accuse me of a strawman argument - with a strawman argument. That's called projection, it is the hallmark of the erudite idiot - trying to argue using sophistry while failing to recognize that you are projecting your own limitations and ignorance on everyone else.
I am curious about what people like you think you are trying to prove. But not curious enough to ask - because you will tell me whether I want you to or not.
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And moreover - if trying to get even for past societal ills IS NOT the point of SJW comics, it is *certainly coming across that way*, which means it bad art. So either way, they are effectively turning their core reader base into the villains.
Nobody it going to buy comic books to get a lecture on how terrible they are for merely falling into a particular category by accident of birth, whether it is intentional or not.
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The only reason white supremacists and neo-Nazis came up with that saying is because they are the ones cheering on the police when a black person is killed or a Jew gets beat up.
It's called deflection. They try to change the narrative to take the light off of what they support.
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Precisely - blaming people *who never did anything to anyone* and categorizing people by their superficial grouping into race/creed/color. It goes hand in hand with identity politics, and is absolutely no different in its nature than it was for any historical racist/classist bullshit.
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It's a bullshit Marxist neologism
I love the loud, angry ignorance of the right wing. It's like your ignorance is actually a point of pride which I find astonishing. Social justice as both a concept and a phrase is older than Karl Marx.
And speaking of Marxism, which branch of Marxism is that? Marxist communism? And of those is it classical, Stalinism, Lenninism, Maoism or one of the others? Or is it libertatian Marxism? Marxism-Lennism? Western Marxism? Frankfurt School Marxism?
Tell you what, when you grow
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I can,
No you can't. You're still stuck on "durrr teh commarnists!!!!111!!1".
Try to stop drooling on yourself.
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And now in modern time, the joys of politically correct virtue signaling has taken any spirit left out of the comics.
If the spirit of comics requires political incorrectness and don't-ask-don't-tell avoidance of enlightened morality then maybe that spirit shouldn't be preserved.
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I used to dislike the reboots, it felt sort of like someone invalidating my investment in a character or something. At some point I reflected and realized super hero comics were a lot like mythology. In myths there's a lot of common elements to any individual being or individual but rarely some canonical telling. Retellings in different regions take on some local flavor.
Looking at comics through that lens I learned to enjoy and appreciate reboots. Sometimes they're entirely money driven cash grabs or I just
Why ? (Score:2)
I got this. (Score:2)
The comic book companies make their own branded, high-quality, loss-leader, e-book readers. All comics go full digital - with no DRM.
Big e-book reader companies like Amazon and Barnes&Noble hop on board with full software support and no sneaking in evil.
Also, know that this plan is inevitable, and the longer you resist it, you do so at everyone's mutual loss. You're welcome.
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The comic book companies make their own branded, high-quality, loss-leader, e-book readers. All comics go full digital - with no DRM.
Why would they even need to make their own e-book readers if there's no DRM?
Also, Image Comics has been doing that for years already - buy any of their releases on Comixology, and get both the title to read in the Comixology app/site (yuck) and a high-res, un-watermarked PDF to download (as it should be).
Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Trying to target a different demographic with an industry like comic books is like trying to make the 1950's seem cool to millennials.
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Seriously, why would we save the comic book industry? It has become extremely woke and intolerant of anyone that isnÃ(TM)t.
Yeah I can't believe the infested the X-Men with clanging, obvious allegories about racism and shit. How could they do that?
(for the hard of thinking/reality yes this is sarcasm)
Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Reading some of the responses to your comment is hilarious. All the woke scolds going on about the "poor poor persecuted white males" and how they welcome the SJW change to comics. Instead of creating their own space and characters in comics, SJWs can only see taking over established characters and "fixing" them. The funny bit is that they actually don't buy any comics. They're gleeful to take away Iron Man, Thor and Spider-Man from those nasty white males in an attempt to put them in their new place, but they don't actually support it with their dollars.
For 20+ years I pumped $120-150/month (at 60 to $2.50/book) into comics from Marvel, DC, Dark Horse and Image because the art was fantastic, the story arcs were spectacular and it was great entertainment. Then the writers/artists started to change and comics weren't fun and interesting anymore. The industry played to what they though was their new audience, but their new audience had no interest in buying comics; just using them as a bludgeon against "white males", the "patriarchy" or any other stupid cause du jour was in fashion. Comic's decades-long revenue stream vanished and the industry was left with crazy, purple-haired writers/artists no one wanted to read. Happened in comics and Sci-Fi fantasy and is currently happening in movies and video games.
Sure, I'm going to miss it. Those were good times, but a good thing can't last forever. Just like comics, don't expect me to support your lunacy with my dollars. I can't wait until the crazy SJWs burn it all down and blame it on CIS-het white males (again). We're already building something better and this time you're not invited.
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You have mixed political issues with woke issues. I checked out your link and it reinforces my points about the old comics not having woke values. The quotes on your link share a theme of condemning identity politics, something woke culture is obsessed with. I will take this quote from Stan Lee on the page you provided.
You wanna dislike someone? Be my guest. Its a free country. But do it because he or she has personally given you a reason to feel that way, not because of skin color, or religion, or foreign
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Oh look, it's a leftist preaching tolerance and diversity while being condescending, insufferable, and abusive to those who disagree with him. 10 points on the SJW Bingo card!
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Comic books were never woke to begin with, only ones made in the last few years were. If they were, you would not have the studios actively retconning the characters to make them woke now. Certainly there are a number of websites out there that have tracked the retcon issue in particular.
What you have done is confused comics talking about political issues (which they have always done) with comics being woke. Historically comics focused on story first, art second and politics was a distant third at most. Mor
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You have presumed a lot about me and gotten everything wrong. I am okay with, it is your problem. You insulted me for having a different viewpoint than your own. I am okay with that as well, the personal attack says far more about you then it does about me.
However what you have really done, is to nicely illustrate my point about woke politics. You have done an excellent job showing just how intolerant and insufferable woke politics is.
SJW comics (Score:5, Funny)
Now that we get innovative and modern heros like having an African-American, MtF Trans Lesbian non-gendered, alternative citizen Thor fighting against the capitalist oligarchy and for socialist utopia (in a non-violent way), I'm all in again!
As soon as the government fully socializes comics so we can all learn to be as edgy as me, I'll start reading them again. Only by boycotting the current CIS white male dominated comic power structure can we destroy and rebuild comics for everyone!
Minoriteam (Score:2)
Minoriteam - Fully COLORED!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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With Comiocs like the New Warriors (Score:1)
Not just comics, all creators need micropayments (Score:2)
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Here's your solution (Score:3)
1. Stop making endless comics that suck.
2. Stop swapping artists and writers a few issues into the run.
3. Stop relaunching titles with a new #1 issue whenever you want to goose sales. In reality, that's a jumping off point.
4. Reduce the price, increase the value. I stopped buying comics years ago because they simply got too expensive. I've tried the digital ones but it's not the same.
5. Make sure you're focused on the next generation of readers. I.E. kids.
6. Slow down how often company wide 'event' storylines occur. It can be fun once and a while but being required to buy a range of titles just to get the full story is off putting.
A way to help an even more important publisher (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously. They also need our support, and also play an important role in society.
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At this point I'm hoping a few of them don't survive. The Sun, the Daily Mail... We would be best off without them.
Re:A way to help an even more important publisher (Score:4, Funny)
You could also pay for an online subscription to your local newspaper. Seriously. They also need our support, and also play an important role in society.
You could start by unblocking their ads.
Save shops, not industry (Score:4, Insightful)
Personally, I'm way more interested in figuring out how we save comic book stores rather than the comic book industry...
I'm rather feeling like Marvel/DC do not need my help, where the local store I actually get comics and memorabilia from, does.
How we can help them is re-opening things ASAP (lets be honest, have you ever seen a comic store crowded? Never) and then each of us doing something to support them.
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Unless it's an outlier, it's actually the MtG cards keeping it afloat - don't judge by shelf space. MtG is the only thing keeping most hobby, comic, and game stores around the country alive, because people spend a lot on it and it keeps appealing to new generations.
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Unless it's an outlier, it's actually the MtG cards keeping it afloat - don't judge by shelf space. MtG is the only thing keeping most hobby, comic, and game stores around the country alive, because people spend a lot on it and it keeps appealing to new generations.
Would be interesting to see if a congresscritter ever realizes that loot crates have been around a lot longer than electronic micro transactions.
Simple. Buy more comics. (Score:2)
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I say ... (Score:2)
I don't understand the US comic book industry (Score:3)
Two companies, and a whole lot of identical comic books, for a market of 350E6 persons in the US, and they have financial problems?
Here in Europe, actually, the region France/Belgium/Holland, we have much more publishers, much more titles, and they even get translated, and there is no problem here with the comic book (strip stories/bandes dessinées) industry, actually for a much smaller market.
Are US comic book publishers incompetent, or what?
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Beginning of the end was pandering to the SJW's (Score:2)
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Politics killed them (Score:2)
You don't. (Score:2)
There's a lot of grumbling about politics in comics elsewhere in this thread, but no-one seems to be considering some other factors.
What about just plain competition? People today are swamped with entertainment. It's not just comics - it's television, movies, computer games, TV series. Really, there are some incredible TV series out over the last decade - we might be in a golden age for that medium right now, as the rise of on-demand services and boxed sets lets writers focus on long-running, complicated st
Stop being Woke. (Score:2)
Seriously. Give up the wokeness and the reboots and altering characters beyond recognition. Reboot one last time, into every comic's classic form. Then maybe, just maybe, you can recover that vanishing audience.
Or maybe it's too late and indy comics have eaten your lunch for good.
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But apparently posting anonymously on message boards about comic books merely to point out how you are too good to care about them is certainly a highly intelligent and productive use of your time.