Trump Extends Order That Curbs Huawei's Access To US Market (bloomberg.com) 49
President Donald Trump extended his effort to curb Huawei Technologies's access to the U.S. market and American suppliers. From a report: The president on Wednesday renewed for a year a national emergency order that restricts Huawei and a second Chinese telecommunications company, ZTE, from selling their equipment in the U.S. The move continues a battle with China over dominance of 5G technology networks. In the original order, which didn't name any countries or companies, Trump declared a national emergency relating to threats against information and communications technology and services. The Commerce Department then put Huawei on its "Entity List," meaning U.S. companies need a special license to sell products to the Chinese company. Further reading: Huawei Struggles to Get Along Without Google.
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Why I trust Huawei and China more than Trumpists. (Score:1)
Yeah, China has problems. NASTY problems. VICIOUS problems. No matter what the salary, I would be extremely unlikely to agree to move to China. My big mouth would be sure to get me into trouble.
But everyone knows about the problems and everyone is watching China and China knows that everyone is watching. I would argue that it comes down to a certain brand of stupidity. If you think you are smarter than everyone else, then you are the idiot. I don't think Xi is that kind of idiot--but without speaking Chines
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Public masturbation of 3493987 (Score:2)
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Re:Why I trust Huawei and China more than Trumpist (Score:4, Insightful)
For what possible reason would we want a Communist dictatorship, an avowed enemy of democracy, to have its fingers in any of our systems? Why would we consider allowing our tax dollars to go to strengthen our opposition? Why would we consider allowing our businesses to strengthen our opposition?
China's stated goal is to supplant the US and reshape the international order in its own, "NASTY", "VICIOUS", image. They are actively engaged in trying to eradicate our manufacturing capacity. Using their hardware in our telecoms networks advances that goal.
As for race, I don't know why you bothered to even mention it. It is not a factor. The Chinese people are not a problem, the Communist Party is.
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Your first mistake is assuming that China cares about international opinion.
China cares a great deal about international opinion, no idea where you're getting that from. That's why China wanted the Olympics so badly, that's why they've worked to downplay news of the Hong Kong protests in western media, that's why they repeatedly protested the fact that no one in China had ever received a Nobel Prize... until someone in China received a Nobel Prize for something that the Communist Party didn't like.
Our own Republican Party did the same thing: loved Nobel Prizes when they were win
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I think you're trying to have a rational discussion with some sort of racist. The result is that you wound up chasing wild geese.
However I see the Chinese concern with international opinion as more of a marketing issue. There actually is a kind of internal struggle within China between the isolationists and the internationalists. Kind of goes back to the name "Middle Kingdom", which is how they write it (and think about it) in Chinese. Most of the time the Chinese have thought of their nation as the center
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It means no more to them than international maritime law.
Funny you should mention that, they go seemingly out of their way to use precisely that law in order to claim territory, quite the opposite of ignoring it altogether which they could do by simply putting warships in the area and sinking anyone who dares pass.
You have this misconception that China doesn't give a shit. They care a lot. Their actions when they bump against both international legal issues as well as matters of international opinion are very carefully calculated to maximise positive effect for C
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But everyone knows about the problems and everyone is watching China and China knows that everyone is watching. I would argue that it comes down to a certain brand of stupidity. If you think you are smarter than everyone else, then you are the idiot. I don't think Xi is that kind of idiot--but without speaking Chinese I can't even look at the firsthand evidence.
However as it specifically applies to Huawei, we all know that everything Huawei sells is going to get examined by REAL experts and 14 ways from Sunday. If there is anything nasty there, it is going to be discovered by someone, sooner or later, and the resulting stink will rise to high heaven.
Exactly this. Huawei equipment is going to be the most secure stuff on the market for quite a while due to this effect. (That still does not necessarily make it very secure in absolute terms.) They may _want_ to spy, but they know they cannot. Compare that to Cisco, where the status as backdoored is basically an open secret.
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Well, yes, I was thinking of some of the Cisco horror stories, though my feelings are mixed there. I do think that some of those problems were simply the mistakes of the true innovators. There are sometimes special penalties in going first. Or you can call them part of the learning curve. But when you read about things like standardized root passwords open to the outside, you have to ask "What in heaven's name were they thinking?" (By the way, I don't think Cisco pulled that particular stunt. There's anothe
Bad news for Android/Google (Score:2)
This will make Huawei push their own OS and services harder, building up share in big markets like China, India and Brazil.
Google already locked itself out of China by choice (unlike it's competitors Microsoft and Apple) and has been having a hard time in emerging markets.
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On the one hand, gotta sabotage yourself in the name of security. On the other the Chinese have already hacked everything and stolen all technology anyway.
And on the third everything is made in China anyway so there aren't many secrets that don't end up there willingly, under NDA.
Anyway it doesn't seem to have hurt people like Apple and Microsoft who have not just branch offices in China, they have large enterprises, massive cloud infrastructure, huge B2B service arms etc.
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Google already locked itself out of China by choice (unlike it's competitors Microsoft and Apple)
Yes and no. Google very publicly pulled Google Search out of China of their own volition, which I applaud as the right decision. Search censorship is one of the most dangerous varieties of censorship, in that it can be used to rewrite history, change narratives for ongoing events, and suppress people with "undesirable" points of view. That said, you may recall that their decision to pull out of China was preceded by a half decade of capitulation in which Google provided Google Search in a censored format to
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This will make Huawei push their own OS and services harder, building up share in big markets like China, India and Brazil.
Huawei's been having trouble without Google. They've been pushing their apps and app store hard already.
Huawei Struggles to Get Along Without Google [wsj.com]
China’s Huawei Technologies Co., barred by the U.S. from buying American technology, has found a lot of workarounds—but is having a hard time replacing Google, on which it has relied for a decade.
Without the search-and-software giant’s apps, smartphone fixtures around the world, the once-relentless march of Huawei’s phones is faltering.
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Thing is either western apps get on the Huawei app store or they lose out to other apps in big markets like China, India and Brazil. It's a uphill struggle for them already as other apps are already winning in those countries.
Future Predictions (Score:2)
Good. Decouple more from China every day. (Score:2)
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#MAGA We've need someone in the White House that will finally stop China. Trump has warts, but I'll take those warts over those that keep selling us out.
You say MAGA. You know this really means MSEA, right? Make Shit Expensive Again.
It's interesting. We live in a time where - in developed nations - average personal prosperity is higher than ever before. Middle-class people are affluent enough that their children have cell phones, and optional subscriptions to things like cable TV or streaming services are very, very common. The buying power of non-poor individuals is actually pretty high. Why? Because places like China are willing to manufacture o
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Nobody said Slave Labor wasn't cheap.
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The most likely theater for conflict would be in the Sea of China, erupting over China's aggressive attempts at expansion and infringement on the territory of US allies. Thus, a naval conflict. The US Navy is considerably larger and stronger than China's, with 11 aircraft carriers in service plus two in construction compared to China's 2+3.
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Not that that matters. After you've sunk the Chinese navy, what next? Invade? You couldn't beat Vietnam, do you think you're winning against China?
Read a history book.
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#MAGA We've need someone in the White House that will finally stop China.
If you really think any of that is true, you're stupid.
Also, "stopping" China does not even benefit America, because that is not how trade works.
Even if it did, the businesses who sent all those jobs to China did it on purpose, and a lot of them are American businesses. Guess what? They don't give a toss about America either, except as far as it benefits them too.
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Also they were told quite clearly what the rules were when China opened itself up to outside trade, and they did it anyway.
Apart from that you're right, China is not our friend. Those corporations are not either.
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Turning the Pacific basin over to the loving care of the CCP as Trump has done is more along the lines of Make America Stupid Again.
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By pulling out of the TTP, Trump has turned the Pacific basin and our now forgotten allies over to the CCP. Nothing like Making America Grovel Again.
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So Trump selling you out to Russia is any better?
Considering the fact. (Score:3)
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Re:Considering the fact. (Score:5, Insightful)
Sony puts out a root kit and Slashdot remembers for decades. Huawei repeatedly gets caught introducing or failing to patch old well known exploits and vulnerabilities, and if we say anything we're just being paranoid and need to overlook it otherwise we are MAGA retards.
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Liars gotta lie.
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Liars gotta lie.
Yep, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) will certainly lie about this one, and every other one. Why CCP? Because they control Huawei. Huawei says they are employee owned but that is CCP-speak for owned by a worker trade association. An association that is controlled by the party. Makes sense because who would look out for workers and ordinary citizens better than the Party?
In any case this guy, one of Huawei's "top security engineers", made sure to use a gmail rather than company email for this "Huawei Ke
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Or Trump got one of his lackeys to pump up a fake story about Huawei right before he does something bad to them again. In case the morons had forgotten. Now Trump looks ++good.
+10 to your Party Social Rating Score
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Fake news. Looks like the guy doesn't even work for them.
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They did not. Read the story again, not just the misleading CNN headline. Some employee acted on their own and that is actually a credible explanation. No real competent effort would have been trying it in _this_ obvious and easily detected a fashion.
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that they just got caught trying to slip a vul;nerability into the linux kernel.
They didn't get caught doing anything. Huawei has been one of the largest corporate contributors to the Linux Kernel for the best part of the past decade. Their code has been high quality and readily accepted, not at all like the claimed "Huawei" code that was submitted by some random recently.
Heck read the Slashdot story, but the comments, we all know CNET and Slashdot summaries are garbage.