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As Coronavirus Hospitalizations Rise in the US, Many States Hide Their Data (politico.com) 167

In America, "Federal and state officials across the country have altered or hidden public health data crucial to tracking the coronavirus' spread, hindering the ability to detect a surge of infections as President Donald Trump pushes the nation to reopen rapidly," reports Politico: In at least a dozen states, health departments have inflated testing numbers or deflated death tallies by changing criteria for who counts as a coronavirus victim and what counts as a coronavirus test, according to reporting from POLITICO, other news outlets and the states' own admissions... About a third of the states aren't even reporting hospital admission data — a big red flag for the resurgence of the virus...

Nearly half the U.S., meanwhile, has registered rising caseloads as states press ahead with reopening the economy. While some of that reflects increased testing, an accompanying uptick in hospitalizations is worrying experts, including former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb... [He tweeted Sunday that "Daily covid hospitalizations showed sustained decline for two weeks but then over preceding week started to rise nationally."]

In addition to pulling back from its historic role as the central health authority during public health crises, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has established few firm standards for how states should monitor Covid-19 and made little overt effort to coordinate its messaging with state and local health departments. That's created a patchwork system where key health information is collected and communicated with little uniformity, and amid rising concern over whether Americans are receiving reliable reports about the pandemic fight. At least a half-dozen states have admitted to inflating their testing figures by mixing two different types of tests into its totals, a practice widely derided as scientifically unsound. In Georgia, where Gov. Brian Kemp has been among the strongest proponents of reopening, the inclusion of antibody tests inflated the state's overall testing count by nearly 78,000 — a disclosure that came a few weeks after officials posted a chart of new confirmed cases in Georgia with the dates jumbled out of order, showing a downward trajectory....

Florida has weathered a string of controversies over its evidence to support GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis' boasts that the state is faring better than most, including an attempt to block access to information on nursing home deaths and the firing of a health department official who now alleges she was pushed out for refusing to manipulate the state's data.

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As Coronavirus Hospitalizations Rise in the US, Many States Hide Their Data

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 30, 2020 @10:06AM (#60125124)

    That's becoming more and more obvious.

    • by Mr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) on Saturday May 30, 2020 @10:17AM (#60125162)

      It ain't there if we hide it well.

      For examples, check out every single failed modern superpower, from Austro-Hungary to the Soviet Union.

      • Well, China should be at the top of that list. Interesting that you didn't include it.

        • by ranton ( 36917 ) on Saturday May 30, 2020 @10:51AM (#60125280)

          Well, China should be at the top of that list. Interesting that you didn't include it.

          China is a developing country on the verge of superpower status, not a superpower on the decline. Things could certainly change and China's future could more closely resemble Japan in the 90's, but even if China does falter it wouldn't be a superpower losing its status. It would be a developing nation going through growing pains.

          • by Anonymous Coward
            If China doesn't qualify as a superpower, then nobody (other than the United States) does.
            • by ranton ( 36917 ) on Saturday May 30, 2020 @11:05AM (#60125326)

              If China doesn't qualify as a superpower, then nobody (other than the United States) does.

              Correct, no one but the United States qualifies for superpower status right now. Russia did a few decades ago, and going further back there have been plenty (Britain, Spain, Portugal, Austria-Hungary, Prussia-Germany, etc). But right now the United States is the only one. China likely will be soon, and the European Union always has the opportunity if it can actually unite.

              • by Mr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) on Saturday May 30, 2020 @11:19AM (#60125374)

                Russia did a few decades ago,

                I agree with your points, allow me a nitpick - it wasn't Russia that was the superpower, it was the USSR. And it was a totally different country from Russia today (and from Russia's Tsarist past).

                • Exactly. Russia today is about equal to Italy or France economically and militarily, but with double the population, meaning that most of the people are rather poor. Russia is just a very large petrol station with a flag on top - a bigger version of Saudi Arabia. This is why the Democrat's 'Russia, Russia, Russia' warcry, is so demented and ignorant of reality.
                  • So the Russian intelligence apparatus is a myth because the Russian people are poor. Makes total sense.

                    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

                      I'll be honest, I'm not going to read your hole post because I've read enough. Fact is that every intelligence agency our country has regards Russia as a threat. You can spin conspiracy nonsense all you want, pretend you know better than a plethora of people far better educated than yourself, and highlight minor contrary data while ignoring massive supporting evidence all you want. It won't change reality.

                    • by ahodgson ( 74077 )

                      Your intelligence services consider every country that doesn't do what the USA demands a threat.

                  • And yet, it is the GOP, except for Trump, who takes marching orders from Putin, that are the ones screaming about Russia.
                  • When you discuss Russia's capabilities today vs. the Soviet Union's of 50 years ago, you should consider carefully the scope of your claims. If you are discussing, like I do, the whole shebang, of course Russia is no global power.

                    But consider what their "intelligence services" are up to - the so-called "hybrid warfare", which basically means propaganda and break-ins, and consider how the landscape has changed in the "IT" area, and you'll see easily that even a small, well-directed campaigns can be in many w

              • What? No Ottomans?

          • By what standard does China lack superpower status? They have nuclear weapons, spacecraft, and both bankrupt and enrich other nations. They've been one of the superpowers for decades since at least the 1970's, if not since World War II and superpowers were first labled as such.

            • By what standard does China lack superpower status?

              By the golden one. They are not able to project military power globally as the US or the USSR or Britain of old can/could, neither conventional, nor nuclear.

              Their nuclear weapons will work only for retaliation, they don't have and have not deployed, as far as it is known, effective weapons and delivery systems capable of a first strike or tactical nukes. They appear to be actively developing them, but they aren't there yet. Their conventional forces are also being upgraded and expanded, but they are still u

            • by ranton ( 36917 )

              By what standard does China lack superpower status?

              As Dollar Ton pointed out, military power is the primary reason China does not qualify as a superpower for most (although plenty of people argue they already do qualify).

              Superpowers are generally defined as nations who can project power on a global scale through economic, military, technological and cultural strength. I would say China is there economically, their GDP is nearing US level and it is half as reliant on exports as it was just 15 years ago. Technologically it is arguably there, but perhaps not q

              • China has at least hundreds of nuclear weapons, and ballistic missiles to deliver them globally. Given the extent of Earth's land area over which they exert direct military control, I'd call them a global military power, even if only a small amount of that military power is deployed outside their own borders.

                • "Projecting power" means that you can force people into doing what you want them to. When it is done not by force, but by an implied threat of force (one kind of "soft power"), it is even better. To credibly threaten people in this manner, you need a conventional army that is deployed worldwide and can dispense on a short notice and simultaneously large scale crimes against humanity in locations that are far apart, so that the people you want to manipulate are aware you can paradrop in their city, catch t

        • by Frank Burly ( 4247955 ) on Saturday May 30, 2020 @11:02AM (#60125318)

          China is still a rising superpower, so they don't belong on that list. Their problem of multiple layers of bureaucracy inflating the good metrics and downplaying bad ones goes back at least to Mao. That sort of thing is easy to do when the entire government speaks with one voice, the press is neutered, and online forums are censored. But I'm not that worried about Chinese officials lying to please their leaders--we have intelligence services to tell us the truth about what happens there.

          What worries me is that leadership in America ignores experts like intelligence services and epidemiologists when they present inconvenient truths. What worries me is that loyalty is valued over competence, and truth is called censorship. These are symptoms and exacerbators of decline.

          • These are symptoms and exacerbators of decline.

            yes. These were many of the same things that I witnessed with USSR during cold war. Sad.
            somthings Trump is saying is right.
            He pulled us out of Paris accord, which many ppl are now realizing are WORTHLESS. Unless ALL NATIONS are made to stop growing, it is worthless. OTOH, his reason had noting to do with caring about AGW. it was Trump's sincere hope to grow America's coal in the same fashion that China is. Just what the world needs.
            Likewise, China has been in a cold war with the west. Just because the

            • by skam240 ( 789197 )

              Trump could EASILY bring back American manufacturing from China. Simply re-write taxes. Yet, he refuses to do that.

              Your whole post is a little strange but this quote is patently wrong. American manufacturing hasn't spent the last 40 years relocating to China because of poor tax policy, they've done it because they can pay their workers piss wages in China. I mean please, can you even tell me exactly what tax policy needs to be changed to create this scenario where American manufacturing comes back?

        • by Anonymous Coward

          And here you make this about China when the subject is data being withheld by US states. Also interesting.

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        It couldn't have come at a better time. We need to concentrate on ourselves, not start wars all over the world. America is a destructive and evil influence in the world. The people who see America as a threat is literally everyone in the world, and our allies are just our allies because they fear us. They have a strong dislike for America in spite of the trillions of dollars we've spent and continue to spend on them.

        It's about time we stopped meddling in affairs that don't concern us, and attend to our

        • by Mr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) on Saturday May 30, 2020 @11:36AM (#60125456)

          in spite of the trillions of dollars we've spent and continue to spend on them.

          The US has profited massively from its superpower status. Pretending that the US is somehow a victim of its status is stretching the truth a bit beyond credulity.

          • Pff. "The US" isn't a monolith. The people who have benefited are the people who were already rich.

            The world has told us in no uncertain terms to piss off, go home, and that they hate our guts. We've exported so much democracy that we need to start importing it instead. Billionaires pay millionaires to tell the middle class that the poor are the problem. Stop fucking worrying about the masses of powerless poor people and punch up and fight the ruling class criminals. Who fucking cares if Joe Blow is a

        • I'd say that most people in the world love America. Perhaps in places like Russia and China old people generically hate "the West", because government propaganda brainwashed them into believing that it was the source of all their problems; but I'm certain that the younger generations think in a different way. The consumption of American media is so pervasive around the world that some people see America as a familiar place even when they've never set a foot there.
          WRT decreasing the involvement of America w
          • Canada is right next door to the USA and we hate you fucking through and through. The only good USAian is a dead USAian. You bunch of asshole sanctimonious pricks. Just fuck off and die why don't you. No one wants you.

          • by troff ( 529250 )

            > most people in the world love America
            Ahahahahaha.

            > The consumption of American media is so pervasive around the world that some people see
            their news media too and the place looks like a shitshow.

            You know what, don't take my word for it. Let's use my non-Russian non-Chinese country as an example: .

            We like the Americans who aren't stupid. But dude, seriously, you are not in that category.

        • What world do you live in? I ask because it clearly isn't ours. I regularly vacation among our allied nations and they generally love Americans, although negative commentary has certainly increased a bit with our current president's policy of "fuck you allies". In fact, you can still get props for our grandfather's heroic efforts over there (note, America is not evil) despite being too young to have anything to do with it. ...And Angela Merkel as leader of the free world? If by "world" you mean the continen

      • My bullshit detector keeps triggering. How can case loads go up the moment the states open up? That is only possible if the people were infected the previous week already.
        • Because the people propagating the lies are stupid? The only reason for a rise in cases and the start of a leading death increase would be the morons who ran out and had unsafe sex on Mummy's day.

      • by hey! ( 33014 )

        Some of what is going on could be characterized as willful blindness.

        General pneumonia deaths are usually lumped in with influenza deaths, since influenza is is the main source of annual and seasonal variation in pneumonia. In March and April of this year, the country saw huge spikes in "pneumonia/influenza" death reports [cdc.gov], even as normally the flu season should be winding down.

        I suspect this reflects differences in local reporting standards for deaths where COVID-19 testing was not done. Some states use

      • by labnet ( 457441 ) on Saturday May 30, 2020 @04:07PM (#60126266)

        The USA straddles between a 1st world and 2nd world country. It’s military is still clearly superpower status, but many other things, like workers rights, public health care, education, wage growth, prison system growth, political leadership, infrastructure, have shown slow declines since the 70s.
        Cmon USA, get your mojo back. I don’t want China taking over great swathes of the world.

    • Feel free not to come!

    • Listen, asshole: this is not a uniquely 'United States' problem, this is a problem with our entire species. Bet you or anyone CASH MONEY that every gods-be-damned country on Earth is lying through their teeth in precisely the same way -- why, one might ask? MONEY. Gods-be-damned virus is bad for business. GDP is more important than some old people, or weak people, or seemingly useless people dying. THAT is why.
      Your anti-America, ha-ha-America-sucks-my-country-is-so-much-better bullshit? You're being the
  • Not possible (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Doub ( 784854 ) on Saturday May 30, 2020 @10:25AM (#60125186)
    Only communist regimes can hide public data.
  • No worries. With the riots going on we will have a lot more gun, car and fire related covid deaths soon.
  • Ladies and Gentlemen, obvious to the eye and common sense, welcome to the new world order. Woke. You now are free to see for yourself, govern your own destiny and turn the lights out on the last vestige of a once functioning democracy. Like an old camera in use from the Roaring 20's that captured reality one snapshot at a time depending on who took it, where and what moment. Undeniably true just not the whole truth. The 30's were waiting after the party-pics then.

    Today black men and men of color other

  • when they still take Rebekah Jones seriously. She wasn't fired for refusing to manipulate data on the state's web site. Despite her claims, she's not a scientists or analyst - her degree is in geography and journalism - and she was not the architect of anything, she just had the password for a particular package that a lot of states are using. She was a webmaster, and an insubordinate one who was fired for refusing to stop manipulating the web site after being told to.

    She also has a history of very bad judg

    • by ljw1004 ( 764174 )

      Hard to take Slashdot seriously when they still take Rebekah Jones seriously... Slashdot finds her credible.

      When you say "Slashdot" what are you referring to? The site? Some statistical survey of submissions? Some statistical survey of user comments? Of high-voted comments? It sounds like you are inventing bogeymen and labelling them, and I'm not sure how that helps you nor discussion involving you.

    • It's really hard to figure out what happened in the Rebekah Jones case, there are so many contradictory stories, if you can get to the bottom of them, then you are a better person than me.
  • Shall we try a few:
    (1) Federalist system leads to different responses. Difficult and controversial choices made on how to quantify pandemic.
    (2) Population furious that gunshot victims and alcohol-poisoning deaths included in covid tallies. Lose trust in state officials and push for reopening.
    (3) States look to minimize mistakes made early in Covid response by creating data standard for nursing home deaths that they don't use for other deaths.
    (4) Someone from the Kaiser Family Foundation makes a quote
  • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Saturday May 30, 2020 @11:46AM (#60125494)

    Giant meatpacking companies such as Smithfield [foodprocessing.com] and JBS have deliberately not reported [agweb.com] the number of infections or deaths at their plants. We only know about these conditions because people called into the state health departments and notified them what was going on [omaha.com] as well as hospitals reporting a spike in admissions. Tyson has even ordered employees back to work [fwweekly.com] knowing they were sick and infected.

    Then of course there is Amazon who tries not to report cases [bloomberg.com], and even hides them from its employees. It also prevents local health departments from inspecting its warehouses [tmj4.com] after cases and deaths are reported.

    Considering the con artist couldn't be bothered to take any action for over two months, has gone out of his way to say it's no big deal, who has used the power of big government to intercept [businessinsider.com] and confiscate deliveries of PPE [latimes.com] that states have bought, with one state using subterfuge to hide its delivery [thehill.com] and having it guarded by the National Guard, is is any wonder states, particularly Republican-led states, will do whatever they can to downplay the pandemic? After all, it's just 110,000 who have died in three months. No big deal.

    • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Saturday May 30, 2020 @11:51AM (#60125510)

      Giant meatpacking companies such as Smithfield and JBS have deliberately not reported the number of infections or deaths at their plants.

      Isn't this something that the local coroner would track? How does a meat packing plant hide dead bodies?

      Never mind. Sorry I asked.

  • by Revek ( 133289 ) on Saturday May 30, 2020 @12:23PM (#60125618)
    We have great, dedicated doctors and nurses. Outstanding facilities and support staff. Everything above that level is third world in its actions and responses to this situation. The hospital administrators have actively sought out the worst solutions and put hospital staff at risk with their incompetence. The state health departments are corrupt and only seek to hide their failures by corrupting testing and the accurate collection of information. The system we have is broken and its plain where the breaks are occurring. The private health insurance companies are milking it for everything they can, nothing new in that. The government agencies we rely on have been corrupted by the most incompetent leader we have ever had. Nothing will change though, that is the joke.
    • Coulda had Bernie... again. But, "the blacks don't like him enough". "He'll change healthcare too much!" Instead, let's go with Joe "You ain't black" Biden. Great idea.

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  • Imagine a world, where humans everywhere, regardless of what country they live in, regardless of whatever spiritual/religious beliefs they have, regardless of how much money they have, were actually up-front and honest with each other, understood that co-operation is more important than competition, and so on. Imagine that world, where all the bullshit we see every gods-be-damned day just plain didn't exist, where everyone looked to the future, not just for the street or town they live in, or even the count
  • This is obviously fake news. Trump does everything with the concerns of ordinary Americans in mind. Always. Like the tax cuts, which were designed to help ordinary Americans, and not just the extremely rich that got all of the tax reductions. And the EPA rollbacks on health and safety, which were designed to help ordinary Americans, not just those exploiting natural resources on public lands that used to be burial grounds and other sacred native places. So you can be sure that Trump and the Republican gover
  • No one believes the Corona tyranny's lies anymore. The Official Narrative is thoroughly discredited. The masses are awake.

    Everyone knows duh Corona flu is not a plague.

    Everyone knows LOCKDOWNS KILL.

    Everyone knows the Corona tyranny is a putsch, not a public health response.

    The people have thrown off their muzzles. Walking outdoors in the sunshine. Breathing fresh air. Socializing with friends. Shaking hands. Living like normal human beings, not like some sicko's fantasy of bare life under the biopolitical i

  • Two weeks down, one week up, according to the tweet. How much were hospitalizations increased? Did the increase wipe out the reductions of the last two weeks? Is one week of increase more of a trend than two weeks of decreases? It would surely be nice to see some data!

  • I thought Western democracy was immune to people fudging their numbers in order to look good.

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