The US Government Is Now Stuck with 63 Million Doses of Hydroxychloroquine (cnn.com) 310
The World Health Organization has now halted research on whether hydroxychloroquine could be an effective treatment for COVID-19, reports NBC News, after multiple studies showed the drug "has no impact on the coronavirus."
But now that America's Food and Drug Administration has revoked permission for using it to treat coronavirus patients, CNN reports that the U.S. government "is stuck with 63 million doses of hydroxychloroquine." The government started stockpiling donated hydroxychloroquine in late March, after President Trump touted it as "very encouraging" and "very powerful" and a "game-changer." But Monday, the FDA revoked its emergency use authorization to use the drug to treat Covid-19, saying there was "no reason to believe" the drug was effective against the virus, and that it increased the risk of side effects, including heart problems... [M]any infectious disease experts, including those who've studied the drug for coronavirus, say there was never any evidence that the drug worked for the virus.
And some of America's states are now also stuck with millions of hydroxychloroquine pills which they're no longer allowed to use to treat COVID-19, reports The Columbus Dispatch: The state of Ohio purchased more than 2 million hydroxychloroquine pills for $602,629 on April 9, Melanie Amato, spokeswoman for the Department of Health, said via email. [And an additional 2 million were donated by an Ohio-based drugmaker...] The FDA change leaves the Ohio Department of Health with more than 4 million pills, which Amato said have a shelf life of about 18 to 24 months... [T]he state can give the drug only to facilities licensed to maintain dangerous prescription drugs...
Utah purchased $800,000 worth of the drug and Oklahoma spent $2 million on it...
A spokeswoman for Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder, a Glenford Republican, called the state Health Department's purchase of hydroxychloroquine "a waste of money."
But now that America's Food and Drug Administration has revoked permission for using it to treat coronavirus patients, CNN reports that the U.S. government "is stuck with 63 million doses of hydroxychloroquine." The government started stockpiling donated hydroxychloroquine in late March, after President Trump touted it as "very encouraging" and "very powerful" and a "game-changer." But Monday, the FDA revoked its emergency use authorization to use the drug to treat Covid-19, saying there was "no reason to believe" the drug was effective against the virus, and that it increased the risk of side effects, including heart problems... [M]any infectious disease experts, including those who've studied the drug for coronavirus, say there was never any evidence that the drug worked for the virus.
And some of America's states are now also stuck with millions of hydroxychloroquine pills which they're no longer allowed to use to treat COVID-19, reports The Columbus Dispatch: The state of Ohio purchased more than 2 million hydroxychloroquine pills for $602,629 on April 9, Melanie Amato, spokeswoman for the Department of Health, said via email. [And an additional 2 million were donated by an Ohio-based drugmaker...] The FDA change leaves the Ohio Department of Health with more than 4 million pills, which Amato said have a shelf life of about 18 to 24 months... [T]he state can give the drug only to facilities licensed to maintain dangerous prescription drugs...
Utah purchased $800,000 worth of the drug and Oklahoma spent $2 million on it...
A spokeswoman for Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder, a Glenford Republican, called the state Health Department's purchase of hydroxychloroquine "a waste of money."
That's an easy one (Score:5, Funny)
Sell it to conspiracy theorists. And on the dark Web, where it will command a premium, especially if priced in Bitcoin.
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Sell it to all the poor people who actually need it to treat other problems and who ended up paying inflated prices when there was a rush on it.
Re:That's an easy one (Score:5, Insightful)
Or perhaps donate it to African countries that actually might need it to treat malaria.
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Sell it to conspiracy theorists. And on the dark Web, where it will command a premium, especially if priced in Bitcoin.
... then add a super premium by Trump branding the whole lot and create an exclusive luxury edition that comes in gilded cardboard boxes signed by the chosen one himself.
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Re:That's an easy one (Score:5, Insightful)
The protesters seem to be more statistically probable to wear masks and maintain distance while protesting than Trump rallyers are, judging from the pictures of the event and published reports of masks being distributed upon entry only to be immediately discarded with impunity.
Are you saying that masks and distancing has no effect on the spread of infectious disease? Are you saying that maintaining recommended guidelines is useless?
Re:That's an easy one (Score:5, Insightful)
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Make sure to include specific instructions on how many doses to take per day. I hear four per day for two weeks is a good starting place.
Lupus/RA/Malaria - free meds for all! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Lupus/RA/Malaria - free meds for all! (Score:5, Informative)
My wife's prescription ran out and she could not get any hydroxychloroquine for a while. She had quite an arthritis flare-up thanks to "Dr. Trump".
Re:Lupus/RA/Malaria - free meds for all! (Score:5, Insightful)
Or because other people's medical conditions are none of your damned business.
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HIPAA.
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So the GP is a coward then because he's fragile ego depends on Slashdot karma and he's afraid of a -1 mod? Point remains. People can't post AC anymore without an account so the "I didn't want to make an account excuse fails now". So the only real answer to anyone posting AC now who isn't leaking sensitive information is that they are so ashamed of their post that they don't want to be associated with what they said.
I'm not sure what's worse, that people use this feature to be a pointless troll, or that peop
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You're absolutely right, "thegarbz". Hiding behind a name really is kind of chickenshit.
Indeed. So why are you such a chickenshit. Come out and associated yourself with your Slashdot username so we can forever associate your stupidity with what you have said past and future on this site.
If you think pseudo-anonymity and anonymity are the same thing ... well there's a reason you posted AC again. I too wouldn't want to associate myself with such a silly comment.
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Give it away free? Hah! In two years we'll have Trump on TV selling the Magic of Hydroxychloroquine for $19.99 a bottle with FREE shipping. And, just to make it even more enticing, a FREE Diploma from Trump University with your name engraved and genuine imitation wood grain frame so you can show it off to the neighbors. And the first 100 callers get an authentic soy bean bought by Xi Jinping from American farmers and given personally to Trump. For a cool extra $1, Trump will engrave the bean with his seal o
Well, he had a "hunch" (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, when you let a strategically-shaved orangutan play doctor...
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Re:Well, he had a "hunch" (Score:5, Insightful)
How did Trump "play doctor?" Please be specific.
Is this specific enough? [washingtonpost.com]
TL/DR: Trump boasts frequently about how he knows more than experts. His proclamations about treatment of COVID-19 are consistent with that behavior. So yes, he plays doctor. And general. And scientist. And... you get the idea.
Re:Well, he had a "hunch" (Score:5, Insightful)
Except that you can play every one of those videos and the Trump fans will claim it's all been altered, or that Trump was trolling the lamestream media, or some other bizarre excuse. They'll believe anything as long as they're not forced to believe that their new idol is a fraud.
Re:Well, he had a "hunch" (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Well, he had a "hunch" (Score:4, Funny)
How did Trump "play doctor?" Please be specific.
If you need someone to explain this to you, you've not been paying any attention at all.
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When you guys start throwing around all your jargon it becomes hard not to wish you'd go back to your echo chambers.
Re:Now much more negative about Trump (Score:5, Insightful)
Polls can be a bit confusing. Nobody is "becoming much more negative about Trump." Those who thought he was a petulant child with small fingers lacking an understanding of the basic way government works are still there. There are just more of them. Those who wore red hats that said "We're white supremacists and we love the Constitution, we just can't read it, and don't care when Trump doesn't follow it" don't love him any more. There are just less of them.
In November the election will either bear out that Trump is a fool that should never have been elected or it will vindicate that he can kill someone on 5th Ave in NYC and get away with it -- which is something only a narcissist idiot would say.
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Polls can be a bit confusing. Nobody is "becoming much more negative about Trump." Those who thought he was a petulant child with small fingers lacking an understanding of the basic way government works are still there. There are just more of them. Those who wore red hats that said "We're white supremacists and we love the Constitution, we just can't read it, and don't care when Trump doesn't follow it" don't love him any more. There are just less of them.
In November the election will either bear out that Trump is a fool that should never have been elected or it will vindicate that he can kill someone on 5th Ave in NYC and get away with it -- which is something only a narcissist idiot would say.
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Amen
People with lupus still need it... (Score:4, Insightful)
Let them have it. If this administration was smart they could turn this cluster into a bit of good PR and an actual good deed. On the other hand, they are not so smart.
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Exactly. Call it a relief program and turn it into free prescriptions for the next year or two for those with lupus, malaria, and rheumatoid arthritis. Don’t let it go to waste.
Re:People with lupus still need it... (Score:5, Funny)
This is the key vulnerability to your proposal.
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If the democrats were smart they would call for him to do it.
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Yes, but remember, if they win the elections in November then voters will actually expect them to do something for them rather than their true constituents, the mega-corporations. I think they learned their lesson in 2009-2010 when they owned both houses of Congress and the White House, people were getting pissed when the only actions were to bail out the banksters and then protect them from prosecution, and institute Romneycare.
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I don't think the voters will expect much from Biden. Mostly it will just be the relief of not waking up in the morning to a new display of Trump trashing the U.S. domestically and on the world stage. Even the issues with police won't be Biden's problem, those are local and must be fixed locally. All he has to do is keep his foot out of his mouth and be careful he chooses someone who can take the reins should he become incapacitated...which leavse out most of the talked about choices except one that I can t
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Let them have it. If this administration was smart they could turn this cluster into a bit of good PR and an actual good deed.
It would look too much like Obamacare, though.
Foreign Aid (Score:5, Interesting)
The creds we could score in Africa for malaria treatment could be pretty big with this. Considering we're currently competing with China in regards to influence in many of those countries it could be both a moral and strategic win.
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Maybe, but right now no one in Africa is going to give Trump the benefit of any doubt about what's behind the gift. They are getting mighty upset about how African-Americans are being treated in this country and would view the gift as simply an attempt to buy their silence. The sins of the alleged administration always come back to bite.
the snake oil salesman was wrong? (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe in the future, the states should base purchases more on the medical professionals consensus and less on what a dangerously unstable hotel owner says on Twitter? This one is purely on the idiots that took medical advice from an amateur.
Re:the snake oil salesman was wrong? (Score:5, Interesting)
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To be fair I think at the begining Trump only mentioned it to inject a little optimisim into people that there would be a cure. Also of course to keep the stock market up. It only really became a crime when it was turned into a politically divisive issue as to whether it worked or not. That we can lay squarely on his style which is win at all costs whatever the cost to the people of America. And that is why we have tons of a drug that does not work and half the people don't even believe in the virus or a va
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BS. The only doctor which promoted it was in France and he's a quack. Rather than asking his NiH to look into it and get back to him, he shot his mouth off. Trump's view is: if I promote it and works, I'm a genius. If I promote and it doesn't work, I'll generate enough DDoS on U.S. media to drown out I was full of shit.
Re:Just in case (Score:5, Informative)
> BS. The only doctor which promoted it was in France and he's a quack.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go... [nih.gov]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go... [nih.gov]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go... [nih.gov]
We good, or would you like to see four or five more?
Re:the snake oil salesman was wrong? (Score:5, Insightful)
To be fair, I don't think he was selling snake oil. I think he was selling hope.
No, You don't get to pull that bullshit card. Telling 330,000,000 people they are going to be ok because there is a magical solution that doesn't exist does NOT give people hope. It gives them a FALSE sense of security. It leads them to believe that they can walk around in public with no mask hanging out at pool parties and bars spreading a plague. Then people die.
It's a drop in a bucket for the US.. (Score:3)
They probably lose that money per hour by keeping the stupid army monopoly laws.
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When Trump travels it currently costs the US taxpayers $2614 per minute. And he travels frequently.
Sadly, it's all decimal dust.
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It shouldn't be decimal dust, but it is.
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That's a strawman, the POTUS is meant to travel and represent the USA on the world stage.
Now on the other hand a good argument would be Trump insisting he stay at certain places that are unsecurable by secret service and thus incur extra costs, Trump insisting that officials and he himself stay at his own hotel funneling tax payer funds into his own family, and Trump playing golf, that would be a good argument for a complete waste of money.
But travelling frequently unfortunately is expected.
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army monopoly laws
Not a phrase I've heard before, care to explain?
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Basically the US have to buy all their militar stuff from specific monopolies because those lobbied for that horribly hard, and now they do the whole "paint it green, charge it twice".
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Ah. Do you watch the military contract web site? Every non-black budget contract over $7 million has to be publicly listed, formerly it appeared in the Wall Street Journal, now the Pentagram hosts the listing themselves. Quite interesting if you follow it regularly, you can watch the development of various weapons systems and some of the truly enormous boondoggles.
https://www.defense.gov/Newsro... [defense.gov]
Not a waste of money (Score:2)
Not a waste of money if you are whoever sold it to them. First time they got to get that kind of revenue from malaria drugs in the US!
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Re: Not a waste of money (Score:2)
Not so sure of that. There are lots of poor people in malaria countries that would likely love to have a 2 year supply of free malaria preventative medicine. This could be a chance of significantly reducing the deaths caused by malaria in those countries.
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That would only happen if USAID can figure out a way to dump it on a market that will bankrupt a local pharmaceutical manufacturer. If you think for a moment that foreign aid from DC is ever intended to reduce deaths or benefit the general population of the recipient country then I have a bridge to sell you. It has a great view of Brooklyn and the East River!
They can sell it (Score:2)
There's still dozens of countries using HCQ for both treatment and prophylaxis... they don't seem to care about Gates, Gilead, etc. sabotaging HCQ. Sell it to them.
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Its a pity HCQ can't be used to treat the sort of mental illness that makes everything look like a conspiracy against Trump.
Of course, it's never been proved that HCQ is not an effective treatment for mental illness, because they filed to administer it with zinc.
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"It never was about HCQ. Trump could have mentioned "bananas" and the next day bananas would have been turned to poison."
It was about HCQ because Trump made it that way. Also, HCQ hasn't "turned to poison". Furthermore, the reaction to bananas would have been exactly the same if Trump had made a claim about them.
Zinc was brought up because it was used to move the goalposts. There was never any evidence that HCQ, with or without Zinc, would work.
"The fact is that doctors who have more board certifications
Stuck ... WHERE? (Score:2)
It's the only question I have. If it's stuck up their bum then that's where it belongs.
Not using it right (Score:4, Funny)
I thought it was only effective if you put it in a capsule with zinc and then soaked it in the urine of a menstruating rabbit during a full moon. If they didn't use that method during their trials then they can't be sure it isn't effective.
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That's ridiculous .. too much Zinc going into cells can cause Zinc poisoning. Look it up. As for lunar rabbit menstrual urine not sure. What do you have to lose?
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That's a super dumb take (Score:2, Insightful)
Yeah, emergency situations cause mis-allocation. You don't know exactly how everything will turn out, but if you wait long enough to find out, you miss your chance to possibly save thousands of lives.
Complaining that some medical measure turned out not to be needed is extremely petty.
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It's a matter of what they do with it now. Will they put it to good use and hand it out to citizens who actually need it for their medical conditions or will they waste it?
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By the time most of the states' political parties figure out how to allocate it (because it's far more important to make sure only their party gets the credit) the pills will have expired.
Re: That's a super dumb take (Score:2)
This was the exact statement that was made when they purchased it. If you wait and find out you need it then it is too late. Worst case we lose a bit of money. Seemed completely reasonable to me.
Re: That's a super dumb take (Score:3)
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Just like toilet paper...
Re:That's a super dumb take (Score:5, Informative)
Sure, but that's not a license to spend money stupidly.
Take the administration's attempt to obtain test tubes. They let a 7.3 million dollar contract [arstechnica.com] with a soda bottle manufacturer based on the manufacturer's promise that their soda bottle blanks would make fine test tubes.
The way these blanks work is that you put them in a heated mold and blow air into them, and presto -- full size soda bottles. But not only did the bottle blanks not fit in standard test tube racks, they weren't sterile and if you tried to autoclave them, they'd melt.
Is that kind of mistake somehow *inevitable*? I don't think so.
The administration has funneled billions of coronavirus funds to companies with no experience at what they're being paid to do. Why? Two words: Jared Kushner. Kushner pivoted from his role establishing peace in the Middle East to heading a team of young finance bucks who would bring their private sector mojo to coordinating the executive branch's response to COVID-19.
I have no doubt that Kushner's task force were intelligent, educated, talented young men, but they were hobbled by the fact they had no idea what they were doing. Like what the specifications for a test tube should be.
Everything Trump Touches Dies (Score:5, Insightful)
Exhibit # somewhere above 10,000 by now.
Seriously. How does anyone take this clown seriously?
But wait. Trump is making a very big contribution this very day. He has attracted 10s of thousands of his delusional screaming fans to Tulsa where they will all make a point of acting as if COVID-19 is just a Democratic hoax.
So science will be able to get extremely good data from this. No rules of ethics would allow them to run a similar experiment deliberately. The can count the non-mask wearers in the indoor stadium, and in a few weeks count the cases, then the fatalities. To be absolutely sure the experiment will be replicated in Phoenix.
Current data suggests that somewhere between 200-500 will die. But who knows? Maybe they're right and the risks were overstated and it is no big deal after all. Right?
I just feel bad for the ER health care workers in the area.
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You can have Black Lives Matter with massive protests with tens upon thousands shoved close next to each other without masks, but somehow a Trump rally is different?? The massive protests (which continue on a daily basis) are somehow really important but a Trump rally is not?
Is it because anything Black Lives Matter does is above reproach and they can't be criticized?
First, let me be clear on this. I believe in doing good science, and am not a denier in any respect of the word. I also understand the serious
Re:Everything Trump Touches Dies (Score:5, Insightful)
You can have Black Lives Matter with massive protests with tens upon thousands shoved close next to each other without masks, but somehow a Trump rally is different?? The massive protests (which continue on a daily basis) are somehow really important but a Trump rally is not?
BLM protests have been outside. The evidence is that outside environments are substantially less likely to transmit. And many BLM protesters had masks. In fact, some of the major BLM groups tried to actively distribute masks while the federal government stopped them. https://www.businessinsider.com/george-floyd-protesters-face-masks-seized-movement-for-black-lives-2020-6 [businessinsider.com]. And yes, many people (e.g. myself) have repeatedly expressed concern about the BLM protests. That's actually for another closely related reason: superspreader events have generally been at choirs and worship services because repeated chanting and singing are easy ways to spread. Given how much of that has happened at BLM protests, the masks likely won't end helping that much. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-super-spreader-events-reveal-gatherings-to-avoid-2020-5 [businessinsider.com]. Unfortunately, given that many protesters are then being arrested and kept in cramped jail quarters while not being allowed to even keep their masks when they have them, it will be very difficult to tell how much was from the protests themselves and how much from them forcing the people into close indoor quarters with many other, functionally random people and no safeguards.
Hedging your bets (Score:2)
What's going on here see
Re:Everything Trump Touches Dies (Score:5, Informative)
We saw no big explosion in CoVID-19 cases
Yea, sure thing Lynnwood.
Well apart from all the states that are currently reporting [worldometers.info] record high numbers of cases [cnn.com] that is.
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You saw no protests from a bunch of people outside wearing masks, face coverings shields, and covering their faces? NO FUCKING WAY!
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Re:Everything Trump Touches Dies (Score:5, Informative)
The US has a very low death rate per-capita, and always has.
What the fuck is wrong with you! The US does not have a low death rate per-capita. The US has almost 370 deaths per million placing the US in the upper-tier of industrialized countries.
https://www.statista.com/stati... [statista.com]
This is not winning you are fucking delusional.
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The US does not have a low death rate per-capita. The US has almost 370 deaths per million placing the US in the upper-tier of industrialized countries.
They may be referring to death rate per case infection. But we've got so many more infections per-capita that we end up with very high death rate per-capita. WINNING!
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And yes, the US current death rate is 2.02 per million which is very reasonable for a country like the US.
Huh? The US population is 330M, so if your number were correct, we'd have ~660 total deaths.
In this reality, it's a good day when we have only 660 deaths. And those good days are going to get increasingly rare as our daily death toll rises back above 1k and beyond.
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The USA went from the twelfth highest death rate in the world to the ninth highest during this month. The current projection is over 200000 dead by October, which most likely will put the USA at number 6 or number 4 if discounting the two microstates San Marino and Andorra that have fewer than 100 total deaths between them.
Clorox (Score:2)
Fools. Hydroxychloroquine is old hat. I'm stockpiling Clorox.
give them to trump? (Score:2)
looks like he gets high on that stuff.
soooo, how much investment does the President have (Score:2)
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If I understand correctly, might be several hundred to almost a thousand dollars worth of indirect investments, so, that's pretty definitively not it.
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Please provide compelling evidence that Trump is getting rich from HCQ sales, or admit that you are nothing but a filthy liar.
BTW: nobody is getting rich from HCQ sales. It is a very cheap commodity.
Feed to Trump (Score:2)
It can be fed to Trump and his favourite friend Billy "Backdoor Man" Barr.
By the looks of "Backdoor man" me could take most of the surplus up his "Backdoor" without to much effort.
Sell it to someone who is using it? (Score:2)
for prophylaxis, it should be continued, because there is no harm. Benefit may be there.
HCQ has many uses (Score:2)
It is used to treat: malaria, arthritis, lupus, among others.
On a national level money spent is HCQ is purely nickle and dime.
A "waste of money"? (Score:2)
Not to the people who sold the stuff!
Sounds like everything went according to plan.
Not a problem (Score:2)
Better Link (Score:2)
Your link only goes to the WaPo front page. Here's a better one: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46271021 [bbc.com]
For context, this is being brought to the forefront again because John Bolton's book reportedly recounts Trump's choice of response to the Khashoggi murder as a deliberate attempt to deflect the public's attention from the "Ivanka thing".
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I wonder if Rump got confused, thinking they were referring to his buddy/client the late weapons dealer Adnan Khashoggi.
It still surprises me that the Clinton campaign didn't bring up Rump hiding Khashoggi out at Mierda Lago when Interpol was looking for him in connection with what was then the largest stock fraud in history. It's things like that which make me wonder if Clinton didn't deliberately lose in 2016, how do you spend a billion dollars and then lose to a poo-throwing orangutan without trying?
Doesn't matter... the drugs were paid for... (Score:2)
I'm sure the drug company concerned would have liked to have sold a planet-load of the stuff; similar to the hysteria that Tamiflu generated. I guess the hype only made it as far as American ears... though there is that MiniMe in Brazil that took the bait...
This is just one of ten+ where this will happen (Score:2)
As of last month, there were at least nine drugs in this program and they had plans to add some others.
So yes most of those will get made and then have to be destroyed.
Now for the reason for all those not crying that Trump i
What happens... (Score:2)
who did we buy it from? (Score:2, Insightful)
Swine Flu again? (Score:2)
I don't remember the details exactly (and I'm not motivated to research them.) I was kind of young!
During the Gerald Ford presidency (Nixon - 1976), there was a panic about swine flu. It was supposed to be the next great killer after Spanish flu. President Ford jumped on preparations, vaccine, etc. He was later excoriated for "wasting" $100 million, when the pandemic never really materialized.
It doesn't sound like the states wasted all that much. The pandemic did materialize, and it would have been wonderfu
Nice try (Score:2)
"Utah purchased $800,000 worth of the drug and Oklahoma spent $2 million on it..."
Just to be clear- it was your tax dollars that were wasted on this bullshit.
Utah and Oklahoma didn't buy anything- taxpayers did. And what we were forced to buy is completely worthless.
When this is all said and done, it'll be found that Donald Trump and his buddies profited off of this debacle. Guaranteed, mark my words.
vaccine lobbyists (Score:3)
Hydroxychloroquine, given with zinc, azithromycin, vitamine C and D at an early stage of the COVID-19 thing really works, helps recovery and saves hospital beds, IC-beds, deaths.
The lobbyists thus have blood on their hands.
The lobbyists thus work for an evil case.
Not much money is to be made on hydroxychloroquine as it is an old medicine that can safely be used. A Vaccine yields more money but can it work?
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The ~2000 people in the US who come down with malaria every year (most of them returning travelers) will probably die, smothered under the pile of pills being shoved at them.
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Rump heard about it on Fox News, not the NIH or any other responsible party.
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Are you sure you're not a communist? People in the US who don't have health insurance are just supposed to go live under a bridge until they die, it's the Libertardian way! /s
(Sad that in this day and age I actually have to include the sarcasm tag, because there are actually people here who think that way).