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House Democrats Pass DC Statehood Bill (cnn.com) 249

House Democrats approved a bill to admit Washington, DC, as a state on Friday, marking the first time either chamber of Congress has advanced a DC statehood measure. From a report: The bill, introduced by DC's nonvoting House member, Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, would shrink the federal capital to a small area encompassing the White House, Capitol building, Supreme Court, and other federal buildings along the National Mall. The rest of the city would become the 51st state, named the Washington, Douglass Commonwealth after abolitionist Frederick Douglass. The bill passed with a vote of 232-180. Rep. Collin Peterson of Minnesota was the only Democrat to join Republicans in voting against it. Independent Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan also voted no. The bill would grant DC two senators and make the existing sole House representative a voting member. It is unlikely to gain traction in the Republican-held Senate, however, and the White House said (PDF) this week that President Donald Trump would veto the bill if it came to his desk.

Proponents of making DC a state also point to the area's large population, which surpasses the populations of Wyoming and Vermont. As of June 2019, DC had more than 705,000 residents, according to estimates from the US Census Bureau. To become law, the bill's supporters argue it would only have to pass both chambers of Congress with a simple majority and then be signed by the President. They say the legislation's strategy of resizing the capital area would sidestep constitutional questions about making the rest of DC a state. But Republicans who oppose DC statehood maintain that adding the district as a state would require a constitutional amendment.

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House Democrats Pass DC Statehood Bill

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    They carved a NON-STATE territory out of Virginia for a very good reason.
    • by spiritplumber ( 1944222 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @03:49PM (#60231900) Homepage
      The idea was also that nobody or almost nobody would live there. Population of DC = 706000 people. That's more than 2 states.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Then give that land back to Virginia.
        • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @03:57PM (#60231934)

          DC is carved out of Maryland, not Virginia.

          There is no point in merging DC with Maryland since Maryland is already a blue state.

          • by jonsmirl ( 114798 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @04:11PM (#60232000) Homepage

            DC was initially a square 10 miles on each side. Part of which was in Maryland and part in Virginia. In 1847 the Virginia side of DC voted to rejoin the state. That's why DC is not square any more.

          • by MrLint ( 519792 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @04:12PM (#60232004) Journal

            On July 9, 1790, Congress passed the Residence Act, which approved the creation of a national capital on the Potomac River. The exact location was to be selected by President George Washington, who signed the bill into law on July 16. Formed from land donated by the states of Maryland and Virginia, the initial shape of the federal district was a square measuring 10 miles (16 km) on each side, totaling 100 square miles (259 km2)

          • Maryland is already a blue state

            You either give the land back to the people or not. It should not be a political jerrymandering move, it should not be another state. The states should simply get their land back, anything else should be vetoed and politicians voted out in the next election.

        • by jonsmirl ( 114798 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @04:08PM (#60231984) Homepage

          Retrocession back to Maryland is fairest solution. It was done for the Virginia side in 1847 so the legal procedure is already worked out. Two votes - one in DC and one in Maryland and it is a done deal. The Constitution says the Federal District can be no more than 10 miles on a side so it allowed to shrink. If it shrinks the property should revert back to its rightful owner, Maryland.

          • This. DC should not be a state as the land was given to a "Federal Capital". There is no reason the Virginia side should be given back to Virginia, but the Maryland side should be given its own two senators and a full statehood. Speaking as a person from the west coast, its become extremely disheartening that what east coasters call "states" are really counties with over-representation in Washington. Orange County in Southern California has more population in it than 20 states, San Diego as well. Lets not c
            • In these upside down times, It is good to see good old California still thinks it is more important than everybody else.
              • by green1 ( 322787 )

                As an outsider with no horse in the race, I'd say it looks like California still thinks it should be treated the same as everybody else. There's a big difference.

                There needs to be a way to deal with "tyranny of the majority" but that also has to be balanced against giving some parts of the country disproportionate power vs other parts. Why should your vote be worth any more than his?

      • It is way too big to assume nobody would live there. It should have included only the national mall to achieve that goal.

      • The idea was also that nobody or almost nobody would live there.

        Well after we ratify them as a state and move our capitol to some other neutral site, they will most likely go back to having no one will live there, because virtually all DC employment is tied to the federal presence and capitol tourism.

  • Completely Absurd (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Etcetera ( 14711 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @03:50PM (#60231912) Homepage

    There are other ways to solve any representation/taxation problem besides granting/creating a new State out of an area the size of a postage stamp and with the population of half my city.

    1) Retrocede the remaining residential sections back to Maryland, mirroring what was already done with the city of Alexandria in Virginia
    2) Remove the Federal Income Tax in DC and fund local operations with local assessments/taxes.

    We form and authorize States in this country, not city-states. There are plenty of other metro regions in the lower 48 that "deserve" Statehood more than DC does and would have a more stable economy -- but they're not getting it either. C'est la vie.

    • by EvilSS ( 557649 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @04:00PM (#60231958)
      Yea, but neither of those options creates 2 new, certainly guaranteed democratic, senate seats.
    • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

      There are plenty of US territories like Puerto Rico that by all rights should be made states first.

    • 2) Remove the Federal Income Tax in DC and fund local operations with local assessments/taxes.

      Are you suggesting federal services such as the military be funded/managed locally in DC? So DC would have its own army? The US army wouldn't protect DC if it were attacked?
      Sorry but this is a stupid suggestion.
      As long as DC is part of the USA, residents should pay federal taxes, like everyone else, and benefit from federal services as well.

      There are plenty of other metro regions in the lower 48 that "deserve" Statehood more than DC

      Except they are all already part of a state.

      • by Etcetera ( 14711 )

        2) Remove the Federal Income Tax in DC and fund local operations with local assessments/taxes.

        Are you suggesting federal services such as the military be funded/managed locally in DC? So DC would have its own army? The US army wouldn't protect DC if it were attacked?

        Of course not. The Federal government provides military protection. Local funding is for funding DC Metro and other city services.

        As long as DC is part of the USA, residents should pay federal taxes, like everyone else, and benefit from federal services as well.

        US Citizens in US Territories do not pay Federal income tax (on income generated within the Territory).

        There are plenty of other metro regions in the lower 48 that "deserve" Statehood more than DC

        Except they are all already part of a state.

        Irrelevant. You're conflating being "Part of a State" with "Statehood". I have no problems with the residential areas of DC being "part of a State" -- Maryland is sitting right there. I have problems with an area the size of a suburb of San Diego being given Statehood.

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @04:08PM (#60231986)
      and if you don't like the fact that they're getting too much power (via 2 Senators) then fix that. I live in a big city and I'm pretty damn sick of tiny little populations like Montana have 40 times the voting power than I do and swing states getting all the love every 4 years.

      Then again if you do that and you live in a rural community or a low population state you're gonna have to give up some of that power. Not that it's done those places much good. Their schools are falling apart and their hospitals are closing left and right in the middle of a pandemic.
      • Your complaint works in the opposite direction in the House where the small states have close to zero power. If we totally removed the House/Senate/Electoral College then the combination of the ten largest cities in America would control everything. And those ten cities already have enough power without giving them a dictatorship over the rest of America.

        • by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @04:36PM (#60232088) Journal

          And those ten cities already have enough power without giving them a dictatorship over the rest of America.

          Amen. True democracy is granting voting power in proportion to the amount of land you own.

        • by No Longer an AC ( 4611353 ) on Saturday June 27, 2020 @01:59AM (#60233508) Journal

          I don't care to do the math on this right now, but if the majority of Americans live in the ten largest cities then why shouldn't they have their voices heard?

          They're not all going to vote the same way.

          What gets me are the people who post pictures of maps showing mostly red counties and when I ask these people if they think Loving County, Texas (Population 169) should have the same voting power as Harris County, Texas (Population 4.7 million) if I get an answer at all it's simply "YES!".

    • Allow the voters to vote as residents of Maryland or Virginia, based on location within DC?

      We could also solve the whole problem of seat of government and local residents by putting the government on a barge that's anchored in Chesapeake Bay...

      • by Etcetera ( 14711 )

        Allow the voters to vote as residents of Maryland or Virginia, based on location within DC?

        That was basically the solution the Founders used, and it seemed to work pretty well, until the lead-up to the Civil War and the US decided it specifically didn't want to build anything on the VA side of the Potomac.

        We could also solve the whole problem of seat of government and local residents by putting the government on a barge that's anchored in Chesapeake Bay...

        Well, it's actually very important (by design) that the Seat of the Federal Government not be a part of any State... So even a DC Retrocession for the residential bits would leave the NPS land and the areas surrounding the Capitol, White House, and Supreme Court buildings.

  • Pretty sure there is only one argument against it: It will add two more Democrat senators.

    • Then reform your senate. There is no reason why Wyoming should get as many senators as California.

      • Then reform your senate.

        This would require a constitutional amendment, which requires 75% of state legislatures to approve it, thus voting to reduce their own influence.

        Chance of this happening: 0%.

        • Then reform your senate.

          This would require a constitutional amendment, which requires 75% of state legislatures to approve it, thus voting to reduce their own influence.

          Chance of this happening: 0%.

          Slight problem, every state would have to agree to this because of article V. Or at least that's how I read this

          provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

      • Re:Arguments (Score:4, Informative)

        by rogoshen1 ( 2922505 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @04:16PM (#60232022)

        There is absolutely a reason why WY and CA both have 2 senators it's to make sure all states have equal representation in the senate. The house is where the more populous states get to exert their will against the smaller states.

      • Re:Arguments (Score:5, Informative)

        by SmlFreshwaterBuffalo ( 608664 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @04:26PM (#60232066)
        That was literally the whole point of creating the Senate. The House of Reps is based on population while the Senate keeps everything equal. This helps ensure states like Wyoming at least get a say in matters that affect them, rather than having everything controlled by states like California and New York (who have very little motivation to care what happens to Wyoming).

        It's very concerning how many people don't know this most elementary fact.
        • When was the last time the House of Representatives increased the number of representatives? 1913? Time to increase the number as states have become more populous.
        • There's a difference between knowing that and caring. Why should there be one half of Congress where representation is proportional to population and another half where it's proportional to...land area? Natural borders like rivers? Sure, the idea was to give states the illusion that they were all going in as equal partners in the Senate, but what's the real point of that now?

          States are historical and somewhat amorphous constructs. The sizes are all over the place, and so are the populations. If all the b
          • Whether the state sizes/shapes make sense is a different argument, but proportionality to land distribution is actually a very important thing.

            Most people care a lot more about what happens in their own backyard than what happens 1,000 miles away. It's human nature. Thus, people will naturally enact laws that benefit their backyard with a lot less regard to whether it hurts those 1,000 miles away. This is why there must be some representation based on how land is distributed around the country. Granted, i
          • "Why should there be one half of Congress where representation is proportional to population and another half where it's proportional to...land area?"

            The arguments and answers to your question are in the Federalist papers, I believe. Other posters have detailed the specific answers, but it's always useful to go to the primary sources.

            I think the system of checks and balances is pretty clever, actually. There may be other systems that do the job, but I'm not aware of them. There would be no USA without the c

        • I think it's about time you abolish all the states. It's a silly concept that dates to a time when you couldn't get from one side of the country to the other in a couple of hours with pocket change.

      • How many countries do you want the U.S. to become? Because that's what you'll get (perhaps along with some civil war) if you take a country of this size and diversity and let it be ruled by the population centers. And no, the "poor" states don't care about losing the money. They would rather have their freedoms and their culture left alone.

      • Then reform your senate. There is no reason why Wyoming should get as many senators as California.

        Our federal government is set up as a compromise. The House is divvied up based on population so that small states don't get an unfair advantage. Every state gets two senators so that small states don't get pushed out of the conversation completely. Under a direct democracy, the eight most populous states could dictate for the other forty (I believe another poster said the 10 most populous cities!). Urban areas tend to lean left, while rural communities are conservative.

    • We need to know what statuary will be used to commemorate the 51ist state so we can plan ahead for protests. You can't plan too early. Spray paint sells out /so/ fast these days, one can barely keep up.

      • We need to know what statuary will be used to commemorate the 51ist state so we can plan ahead for protests

        We want to be fair. It will be a statue of Donald Trump and Nancy Pelosi kissing.

    • by JBMcB ( 73720 )

      The other only argument was that the seat of federal power should not be within a state, as the federal government would likely favor that state over the others.

  • With all the US territories being denied proper representation...

  • by JoeRandomHacker ( 983775 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @04:14PM (#60232012)

    What is now DC used to be part of Maryland. Why not just give it back? Add the DC population to the Maryland census, recompute the House membership, and you're all set.

  • Why, after 230 years, does Congress think D.C. should be granted statehood? Oh, that's right! It's an election year and the Democrats are *desperately* seeking any advantage they can get for November. It's going to be interesting election year, that's for sure.
    • by godrik ( 1287354 )

      I don't think it is an issue particularly linked to the election. Hasn't the statehood of DC be an issue regularly discussed since the 80's?

  • I really, really wish they could get the word "Capitol" right instead of flip-flopping back and forth between that and capital. It's really frustrating that legitimate news organizations, that theoretically have educated reporters and editors seem to mess this up consistently, over and over and over again. I know it's terrible to be a spelling/grammar pedant on a discussion thread. But I'm not criticizing another comment. I make too many of my own errors for that. Actual published works should be proof read

    • They did use the words correctly, at least in TFA, but if you want to avoid confusion you might as well stop using "capitol" altogether; no other English speaking nation uses the word anyway.

    • by taustin ( 171655 )

      It's really frustrating that legitimate news organizations, that theoretically have educated reporters and editors

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  • Having lived in the DC area in the past I don't want anyone there to have any federal power.
    Those idiots re-elected Marion Barry after he had been caught and convicted of smoking crack.

  • Looking at a fewer of the comments in this thread. Just something to remember. Article I Section 8 Clause 17 of the Constitution

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings

    and Article IV Section 3

    New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

    The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.

    Just wanted to point these things out for those indicating, "Why won't they allow California/New York/etc.." Mostly because those also require the State to play ball and traditionally Congress waits on the State to indicate need first. Now of course, that doesn't stop Congress, but something to consider. That said, I wouldn't personally mind some of the

  • Having actually lived in DC for a brief time, I used to daydream about resolving the "taxation without representation" dilemma by tossing aside my vote in exchange for not paying any Federal taxes. Alas, I knew it was but a dream because the vast majority there is sold on resolving this dilemma by adding representation rather than removing taxation.

    If the "representation" were something other than Congress in its present form, I might consider it. As it stands, only lobbyists are getting much value for th

  • As others have pointed out there's 700,000 people in DC. And while it's True the Democrats just want 2 more Senate seats the reverse is also true, the GOP doesn't want to have to work for those Senate seats (and by extension actually have to represent those 700,000 Americans).
  • by tiqui ( 1024021 ) on Friday June 26, 2020 @08:27PM (#60232858)

    The founders were very aware of the Palace of Versailles and the attitudes of aloof disconnected-from-the-public national leaders in guilded halls surrounded by yes-men. They were determined that the new capital city of the USA would not become that messed up, and to try to prevent such a self-serving elite in a self-serving capital they created the District of Columbia. It was a very deliberate design decision. If people in the USA want to have normal political representation, then they are free to live in any other location in the nation, but the capital city is not to be that place. Our political representatives are not supposed to be living there --- they are legally required to reside in their home states. They are also not supposed to have huge staffs in DC. The executive branch is not supposed to be involved in all aspect of our lives and therefore is not supposed to have numerous agencies with armies of "civil servants" living in DC (this is mostly a lingering aftermath of the FDR presidency).

    Our founders specifically warned us about this. Of course, they also specifically warned us against a central bank that could print money from thin air, and against excessive foreign entanglements...

    It's not surprising that the Democrats keep trying this. Many of them believe in a "living constitution" that they can simply amend without any legal actions by simply re-imagining the meaning of words. Of course they now keep doing this to try to take further advantage of the black vote in the District (which is only concentrated in DC in the first place because Democrats initially owned most black people as slaves, then Democrats created and protected Jim Crow laws, and Democrat president Woodrow Wilson segregated the federal government along racial lines - which caused many black Americans to work in DC as cheap menial labor for the rich and powerful in the capital).

    People forget that the Constitution does not, in fact, say that black people are 3/5ths of a person. The big compromise in the Constitution is that "non-free persons" (which is not just black slaves) were only counted as 3/5ths of a person only for the purpose of allocating seats in congress in order to limit the ability of slave owners (all Democrats) to gain political power in congress on the backs of their slaves while not actually representing those people. That same part of the Constitution exempts indians completely, since they claimed to be separate nations entirely anyway - yet nobody pretends that the Constitution says indians are not human at all. This "make DC a state" garbage is just a continuation of the 200+ year Democrat use of black people for political power.

    Note: I used "indians" here because the term "native Americans" was not used at the time, and did not capitalize it to avoid confusing with the modern nation of India, not out of any disrespect or bias.

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