Most of Scottish Wikipedia Written By American in Mangled English (vice.com) 157
For over six years, one Wikipedia user -- AmaryllisGardener -- has written well over 23,000 articles on the Scots Wikipedia and done well over 200,000 edits. The only problem is that AmaryllisGardener isn't Scottish, they don't speak Scots, and none of their articles are written in Scots. From a report: Since 2013, this user -- a self-professed Christian INTP furry living somewhere in North Carolina -- has simply written articles that are written in English, riddled with misspellings that mimic a spoken Scottish accent. Many of the articles were written while they were a teenager. AmaryllisGardener is an admin of the Scots Wikipedia, and Wikipedians now have no idea what to do, because their influence over the country's pages has been so vast that their only options seem to be to delete the Scots language version entirely or revert the entire thing back to 2012. This ridiculous situation was discovered by a redditor on r/Scotland who happened to check the edit history of one article. By the redditor u/Ultach's count, Amaryllis was responsible for well over one-third of Scots Wikipedia in 2018, but Amaryllis stopped updating their milestones that year.
I thought (Score:4, Interesting)
that the native language of Scotland was Gaelic.
Re:I thought (Score:5, Informative)
I was curious since that's also what I'd heard, so decided to look it up [scotland.org].
Apparently they're multi-lingual. Gaelic, Scots, British Sign Language, and English. I did not know that.
Re:I thought (Score:5, Funny)
Should've checked wikipedia!
It definitely is... (Score:5, Funny)
...a surly American teen that did these edits. No true Scotsman would do such a thing.
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Re: I thought (Score:2, Troll)
It sounds like Alex Jones is working out great for you.
Re: I thought (Score:2)
Great example of insidious bias by you. Turning the fact that early edits were made when this person was a teen into a blanket statement that the edits were made by a child. Turning âoewell over a thirdâ into âoemostâ.
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Interesting replies to this - everyone knows Wikipedia is full of incorrect facts, misinterpretations and downright misleading crap.
There used to be memes about it, teachers telling kids that their whole work was wrong because they'd used wikipedia as a source and the teacher had editied it beforehand to make a point (whether that actually happened can be found on wikipedia, surely ;)
Wikipedia was always a "look it up becuase its easy" and then check elsewhere to make sure what you just read is not bollocks
Re:I thought (Score:4, Insightful)
"Scots" is really just English with an accent and some regionalisms.
Having a separate Wikipedia fork for the "language" is silly.
That fact that nearly all the edits were made by one person shows that there are few contributors.
That fact that nobody even noticed that the articles were mangled shows that there are even fewer readers.
A Wiki fork for Scots makes no more sense than a fork for Ebonics.
Re:I thought (Score:5, Interesting)
"Scots" is really just English with an accent and some regionalisms.
Well... maybe. There's a post farther down from a Scot claiming it has a buttload of Swedish loan words in it, among others. At least for a while in history, it was a fairly distinct dialect. It's apparently fast fading into little more than English with an accent, but once upon a time it had a separable identity.
Having a separate Wikipedia fork for the "language" is silly.
That fact that nearly all the edits were made by one person shows that there are few contributors.
Agreed. Translating text for a constituency of no one is pointless and silly. When they're so hard up for authentic writers, it's time to give up. Languages die all the time. This is another one gone, and less successful than some.
Re: I thought (Score:2)
Go to Aberdeenshire, and speak with a taxi driver. Youâ(TM)ll soon change your mind about whether itâ(TM)s the same language as English. This is a bit like arguing that German and Dutch are the same language because they sound kinda similar and people who speak one can kinda understand what someone speaking the other is trying to say.
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The best test is inter-intelligibility. I have never been to Aberdeen, but I have been Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Inverness. I had no problem at all communicating with taxi drivers or anyone else. I even understood their dry self-deprecating jokes.
German and Dutch have nowhere near that level of inter-intelligibility.
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My experience is that if you go to, say Amsterdam, and speak German, the Dutch will answer you in English, almost always. When I asked my Dutch friend for the reason, he said it was two-fold. The first reason is that the Dutch don't like the Germans and don't consider their language a derivative. The second reason is that speaking in English makes intent clear, and it disses the German.
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If you go to Amsterdam and speak Dutch (with an international accent), the Dutch will answer you in English, almost always. Trying to be helpful, but hard for people who genuinely want to learn Dutch.
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Why would it diss the German? Dutch and German have a common ancestor, but no more than that. They have stopped being mutually intelligible many centuries ago, hence an average German speaker can only - somewhat - understand written Dutch, but definitely not spoken Dutch (which sounds like a mix of Low Saxon, English and a sore throat to a German). The Dutch will answer in English because if they answer in Dutch, they won't be understood.
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Oh bollox. Many English people struggle with a Glaswegian accent, never mind when Glaswegians use Scots. It's not just the odd "hen" instead of "love", you know. Have a listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Depends on which part of Scotland (Score:5, Interesting)
In Scotland, both Scots and English are spoken, with each being more prominent in different areas. They are therefore often mixed together. Pure Scots sounds a lot like Middle English, though it certainly isn't. Here is a sentence in modern Scots:
No desirin her name sud be i' teh mooth o' the public, was ettlin to pit her awa' hidlins.
I have a friend (associate) who moved to the US from Scotland many years ago. Even as he tries to speak English, he's mostly incomprehensible because Scots words sneak in, along with the very different pronunciation (what you called "an accent"). If he weren't trying to make himself understood to Americans, if he were speaking to his boyhood friends, their dialect of Scots would be totally incomprehensible to Americans.
When someone sounds different from me, but I can understand them, I call that an accent. When the pronunciation and grammar is so different as to be incomprehensible ...
Re:Depends on which part of Scotland (Score:5, Informative)
In Scotland, both Scots and English are spoken, with each being more prominent in different areas.
This is very misleading to foreign audiences who don't know any better.
Overwhelmingly, the language spoken in Scotland is English. While in the 2011 census 1.5 million people claimed to be able to speak Scots (out of a population a little under 5.5 million) in the same census 93% of people reported speaking English exclusively at home; only 1% reported speaking Scots at home, broadly on a par with Polish.
What you're reading in the previous comment is a reflection of the desire by some Scottish nationalists to encourage, promote and overestimate the prevalence of Scots and Gaelic in order to bolster a distinctive Scottish political identity. To be fair, historically the English did exactly the same in reverse - suppressing the teaching of Scots and Gaelic in order to support integration into a single British political identity. Nonetheless, if you are genuinely curious about the facts, English is overwhelmingly the language spoken in Scotland, with Scots and Gaelic spoken rarely, and even more rarely as a first language.
Saying "Both Scots and English are spoken in Scotland, with each being more prominent in different areas" is technically true, but only as much as is the equally misleading statement "Both English and Navaho are spoken in the United States, with each being more prominent in different areas".
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... along with the very different pronunciation (what you called "an accent").
Pedant alert: Among language nerds an accent is the pronunciation of a non-native language speaker. So someone originally from Spain would speak English with a Spanish accent.
When two native speakers have different pronunciation that is a dialect. So someone from Queens and someone from Alabama would be speaking with different regional dialects. There are also differences in word choices, like "water fountain" vs. "bubbler" that can indicate a dialect even when pronunciation is the same.
Re:I thought (Score:5, Interesting)
This is the kind of shit that the subject of this article causes. I'm an Englishman living up in Aberdeen and my fiancee (who isn't ethnically Scottish but her parents are) speaks in Scots, and she loses her head when people think that Scots is just "English with an accent". To quote our mutual friend, what this guy did on the Scots wiki is equivalent to a white kid making an ebonics language page called "Dat time our boy Treyvon got lit up by da popo". If I quoted a full sentence in proper Scots it would be unintelligible to you.
The only reason this went unnoticed is because most Scots speakers tend to only read in Scots if it's meant to be read in Scots, such as poetry or traditional songs like Auld Lang Syne. Whenever it's a dialect or distinct enough to be its own language has been debated for years but regardless of the opinion it's just as valid a language as English is.
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Not the only time. There is a Scots-language BBC TV channel called BBC Alba that has so few viewers the ratings people cannot tell there are any [order-order.com]
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Having a separate Wikipedia fork for the "language" is silly.
If only one guy was an active contributor to the German Wikipedia and he couldn't speak, write, or understand German, then I would agree with you.
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Considering that there are Wikipedia forks for at least 5 actual dialects of German..
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Apparently they're multi-lingual. Gaelic, Scots, British Sign Language, and English. I did not know that.
Also Glaswegian. Parliamo Glasgoow?
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As an aside, there is debate amongst linguists over whether Scots is its own language or simply a dialect of English and it's true that when you see it written, you can actually see a great deal of similarity with English, just pronounced really differently and hence the spellings changed accordingly.
Re: I thought (Score:5, Informative)
Thereâ(TM)s three languages spoken in Scotland - English, Gaelic (mostly on the west coast), and Scots (mostly in the south east and Aberdeenshire). Hereâ(TM)s a good explanation https://youtu.be/sNhUL4SrcRg [youtu.be].
Obligatory Groundskeeper Willie video (Score:2)
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Actually, the native language is most likely trash---considering all of the trash talk from Scotland regarding their football team's prowess.
Re: This is fantastic (Score:5, Interesting)
No source is authoritative on its own. Even with rigorous scientific studies we scrutinize the the methodology and interpretation of data. Wikipedia is a great resource if you have learned how to conduct research properly. It is also the closest thing to our utopian dreams of the internet. It provides instant knowledge at the fingertips of billions. Not only is it the greatest collection of knowledge ever assembled, but it is accessible to practically anyone.
Wikipedia may not be perfect, but it is an astonishing achievement of mankind. People are quick to criticize it without considering how amazing it really is.
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My biggest criticism of Wikipedia these days is that so many people on it are intent on actively destroying information. They wantonly delete good content from articles, they delete entire articles, they "merge" articles as a way to hide content deletion. They actively hate the concept that Wikipedia isn't going to run out of server space, because that would justify their destruction. But they continue their reign of terror on information anyway.
The one place I've found where they won't delete anything i
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There's nothing "these days" about it. One of the best examples of people intentionally and systematically destroying information is the Catholic Church. They have been doing it for centuries, and they are relative newcomers to the scene.
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My biggest criticism of Wikipedia these days is that so many people on it are intent on actively destroying information. They wantonly delete...
"These days"? This is nothing new...
Consider the deliberate destruction of the Library of Alexandria. Begun by pagan Romans, continued by Christian Romans, and finally finished off by Muslims in 642 AD (allegedly ordered by Calph Omar).
But it goes back further:
Emperor Qin Shi Huang ordered a book burning in 213 BCE.
Further still:
In Egypt in the 15th century BCE, Pharos Thutmose and later Amenhotep II systematically removed images of the earlier Queen Hatshepsut, in an almost-totally successful attempt to
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I have encountered too many articles on Wikipedia where almost all of the cited sources are dead links.
It's just quicksand held up by quicksand.
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I have encountered too many articles on Wikipedia where almost all of the cited sources are dead links.
What did you do about it?
If you find dead links you should run the link fixer. Go to the History page of the article. At the top there's a line "External tools", which includes a link labeled "Fix dead links". Clicking that will run a tool that attempts to rescue dead links by changing them to link to archived pages on the Wayback Machine. If it can't rescue them, it tags them as dead. It's a good idea to also check the box "Add archives to all non-dead references", which will cause the bot to make sure
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What did you do about it?
Now, I do my own research elsewhere.
It's not my job to fix Wikipedia. I stopped providing any input or fixes to Wikipedia because of the often toxic "talk" discussions. The final straw was when I started getting pop-ups asking for money. I looked at the Wikimedia Foundation's annual report and just stopped contributing my time and efforts.
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This article is the only thing needed to explain why anyone who treats Wikipedia as authoritative on anything except maybe anime and virginity is deluding themselves.
Why would you carve out those two exceptions? It's not authoritative at all. Also, most of the English articles are prime examples of how to abuse English grammar. I would not b e surprised if there's an article on Slashdot tomorrow claiming that 3.5k English Wikipedia articles were dictated by a drunken, Lowland Scots-speaking author during a football match.
My hovercraft is full of eels (Score:2)
I will not buy this record, it is scratched. May I please fondle your bum?
shitting on wikipedia is cool with the kids (Score:2)
The useful bit to wikipedia are the sources. You can take a wikipedia article and follow the sources. That make Wikipedia an authoritative reference rather than an authoritative source.
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You can treat Wikipedia as a valid source, but you have to check the citations to confirm.
Technically, then the citations can be used as the sources with Wikipedia simply being an aggregator.
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Technically, then the citations can be used as the sources with Wikipedia simply being an aggregator.
Well that's what it is. That's how they teach people to cite Wikipedia in colleges, most people don't bother with that and the citations are normally accurate for the content aggregated so people tend to trust it more than not, it's typically not a lot of effort to pick up on the biases of writers, this one is just funny though.
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So, what about the Wikipedia articles without citations that are cited?
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Good luck with that.
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You just defined an encyclopedia which is what Wikipedia claims to be.
So not Dunning-Kruger then (Score:2)
This person not only isnt an expert in 200,000 things (s)he is literally not an expert at anything Scottish?
Well that makes you wonder about everything wiki-whatever doesnt it...
I thought it was just English with an accent (Score:2, Funny)
Who knew there was a "Scots" language? I thought it was just English with an accent.
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Who knew there was a "Scots" language? I thought it was just English with an accent.
Who's to says it isn't? I think the current Scots admin has pretty good case in support that it is.
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The fuss is being kicked up because true Scots isn't just "English with an accent", which is what the wiki editor made had incorrectly assumed it to be. The problem is that the "Scots" that the wider world often sees (hears?) is heavily anglicised to make it intelligible to English speakers.
Re:I thought it was just English with an accent (Score:4, Funny)
The fuss is being kicked up because true Scots isn't just "English with an accent", which is what the wiki editor made had incorrectly assumed it to be. The problem is that the "Scots" that the wider world often sees (hears?) is heavily anglicised to make it intelligible to English speakers.
So no true scottsman? (You walked into it)
If Only... (Score:5, Funny)
If only there were some way to fix the articles. I guess they are just broken forever, then.
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If only there were some way to fix the articles. I guess they are just broken forever, then.
You make it sound as if self-professed Christian INTP furries living somewhere in North Carolina just grow on trees.
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They did. Before we chopped down the trees.
It was for the greater good.
Scots hoax? (Score:3)
Scots is just an elaborate hoax and wikipedia proves it.
If it's not scottish (Score:2)
If it's not scottish, it's crap [youtube.com]!
argh (Score:3)
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I don't feel like seeing your mum's lipstick.
Order of the stick (Score:4, Informative)
That's exactly how the dwarves speak in "Order of the Stick" https://www.giantitp.com/Comic... [giantitp.com]
Wikipedia is full of language experiments (Score:2)
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I don’t understand why Google or Duckduckgo haven’t got some professional editors to write a proper encyclopedia already and ignore vandal prone wikis.
Because that would cost money.
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Google prides itself on returning relevant results. Whether they are accurate or truthful is relatively unimportant to them. And they can regurgitate Wikipedia for free.
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You mean, like, err... Encyclopaedia Britannica [britannica.com]?
Although numerous studies have shown that the errors &/or biases between Wikipedia & Encyclopaedia Britannica are roughly equal. It seems the pros & cons of crowd-sourced knowledge versus professionally curated knowledge are very similar to the pros & cons of open-source versus closed-source code.
This is why I gave up on Wikipedia (Score:5, Insightful)
And for every admin or editor like this on Wikipedia, you'll run into a dozen more who do a slightly better job of hiding their quirks, but are no less bizarre.
It only takes one encounter with this personality type where they go berserk over on an edit on "their" article, and then you walk away for good, because life is entirely too short to spend time butting heads with them over an online encyclopedia.
Where in North Carolina? (Score:2)
Definition of Scots? (Score:5, Interesting)
As someone who is Scottish when the "Scots Language" is mentioned I tend to think of "old Scots".
An example of Old Scots would be the writings of Robert Burns. To a Mouse [wikipedia.org]
"Wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim'rous beastie,
O, what a pannic's in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi' bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
Wi' murd'ring pattle! "
As you'll see on the Wikipedia page it has The original Scots and English translation
My father used a lot of old Scots, he was a farmer, and some sub-cultures and regions of Scotland continue to use words from Old Scots but I can't say that I've heard anyone speaking entirely in Old Scots, unlike Scots Gaelic - my mother's first language. she learned English at school.
Then there is colloquial modern Scots which has created new words, exclusively to Scotland, that are in regular use.
The word "jobbie" for example. (it means "poo" and is used more often with kids)
The old Scots, I discovered when I married a Scandinavian, is actually mostly Scandinavian itself.
It is not just archaic English badly pronounced as some would think.
The word "braw" has the same meaning and pronunciation in both Scotland and Sweden. I've used it to good effect there!
A few other examples would be "Kirk(Church), Kneb(Nose), Moose(Mouse), Hoose(House), Hame(Home), Kist(Box), ken(to know), ".
We are a bit of a mixture in Scotland. Picts, Irish Celts, Scandinavians, Anglo Saxons, Native Celtic Brits, Normans have all been and settled and have all left their mark on the language.
Until I read this article I wasn't even aware that there was a Scots Wikipedia. Who's using it?
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Since this will no doubt descend into a list of our favourite Scottish accent/language youtube videos I thought I'd list a few favourites just for reference. ;)
Voice Recognition Lift Sketch. 11 sounds like "I live in" [youtube.com]
Glasgow Accent. If you can understand this, and you aren't from Glasgow, well done! [youtube.com]
Doric Scots, Aberdeenshire. It too is Scandinavian in origin. [youtube.com]
Peat & Diesel. Teuchters. Gaelic speakers have a lovely English Accent. [youtube.com]
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A Scottish poet talking about Shetlandic language [youtube.com]. (As an additional curiosity, I think she calls Edinburgh part of England).
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Much thanks for your informative post.
I also think this speaks to the leverage of the internet, where a young and uninformed person who happens to be in the right place at the right time can become a "trusted" source.
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Insert "No true Scotsman fallacy" joke here.
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That's fascinating and surprising! Cornish, the language, is Celtic not Nordic/Germanic.
Kist is definitely Scandinavian. I once attended a funeral in Iceland and the coffin was referred to as a Kist.
Popping Kist into Google Translator for Danish, Swedish and Norwegian the English word given is "coffin"
I tried Welsh, Irish and Scot Gaelic but it didn't recognise the word.
So I think we can assume Cornish has some Germanic/Nordic influence?
My father used the word Kist, in his old Scots, to refer to any wooden
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Until I read this article I wasn't even aware that there was a Scots Wikipedia. Who's using it?
Apparently nobody.
woold you liek to ride on my sheep? (Score:4, Funny)
Dang. And I used the Scots wiki to learn the Scots language.
Now I know why I get so few answers on my dating page even though I have a really nice ship at Stornoway.
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Dang. And I used the Scots wiki to learn the Scots language.
Now I know why I get so few answers on my dating page even though I have a really nice ship at Stornoway.
Pirates also have their own language!
"a self-professed Christian INTP furry" (Score:2)
Well, isn't that special. I didn't even know what INTP was until now - when I looked it up.
"INTP (introverted, intuitive, thinking, perceiving) is one of the 16 personality types described by the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI)."
also
"INTPs are logical and base decisions on objective information rather than subjective feelings."
I have a hard time reconciling what I'm reading about INTP with what this person is doing. I have a hard time seeing how this person could even think they are even remotely INTP.
Re:"a self-professed Christian INTP furry" (Score:5, Informative)
I have a hard time reconciling what I'm reading about INTP with what this person is doing. I have a hard time seeing how this person could even think they are even remotely INTP.
That's because Meyers-Briggs is bullshit made up by two bored housewives with no relation to the real world and has been shown repeatedly to be bullshit.
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Personality types don't measure intelligence.
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93 Escort Wagon confessed:
I have a hard time reconciling what I'm reading about INTP with what this person is doing. I have a hard time seeing how this person could even think they are even remotely INTP.
The Dunning-Kreuger effect, perhaps ... ?"
A "Christian INTP furry" (Score:3)
No true Scotsman is a Christian INTP furry!
They don't speak Scot?? (Score:2)
Mangled English, indeed (Score:3, Interesting)
"AmaryllisGardener is an admin of the Scots Wikipedia, and Wikipedians now have no idea what to do, because their influence over the country's pages has been so vast that their only options seem to be to delete the Scots language version entirely or revert the entire thing back to 2012."
The word "their" refers to both AmaryllisGardener and Wikipedians. This is NOT an improvement.
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That sentence was badly constructed. It should say "because that one user's influence" and "the only options".
English is a bit of a hot mess, but it's extraordinarily powerful. It's the C of natural languages :) If used incorrectly, the results are indeterminate, as in the above example.
What is it? (Score:2)
What the hell’s an INTP furry?
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Worse: A teenager. Looks like they stopped when they grew up and stopped finding their prank funny.
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What the hellâ(TM)s an INTP furry?
An epic troll, apparently.
This is kind of hilarious (Score:2)
I'm impressed he went to all that effort. It's also rather sad, the time he could have spent doing something more accurate and productive. Then again, he identifies as a furry.
Also, "INTP furry"? I hadn't realized Myers-Briggs personality type indicators were especially significant for members of the furry community, or is that just this guy?
Let me know if anyone wants to help with cleanup (Score:3)
Moron (Score:2)
Because the author isn't Scottish and doesn't even live there his words are crap.
A lot of what he thinks is "Scots" is just way the some of the words sound when they are spoken with accent. They aren't valid Scots words.
I read the main page of Scots wikipedia and just about every word was bollocks.
He must have watched a lot of Stanley Baxter and "Parliamo Glasgow" : "werahellzabooze?" - We appear to have misplaced our bottles of whisky
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Judge it on the quality of the articles. If it's just quirky dialect but otherwise meets WP standards, who cares if the guy was in the US or on Mars?
Did you read the summary?
Re: Why would you delete the whole Scottish WP? (Score:4, Interesting)
If 1/3 of it was in the wrong language and the person posting the wrong language stopped 2 years ago, and it took until today for someone to notice, it doesn't seem tragic to delete it.
I'd think though it'd make more sense to replace all the articles by this person with a stub that explains the situation and see if the publicity creates enough buzz for people to care and fix it
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Exactly, I'm filing allt the critique under the no true Scotsman fallacy.
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AmaryllisGardener. A Wikipedia user of unknown gender, where a neutral pronoun is used out of ambiguity.
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It's worse than that. The summary is so poorly written that it is incoherent. It's impossible to tell if "they" applies to the foolish author or the wikipedia organization. While modern standards may allow it, using "they" to apply to a single person causes confusion and should be avoided. If you feel it's horrible to use "he" to refer to a generic individual, then write "that person" instead.
Amaryllis is a female name; in the absence of other information use "she".. This is an age of equal opportunity; wom
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Then wherefore art thou using the wrong pronoun to refer to a generic listener?
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That's not using the wrong pronoun, its artistic licence to say whatever that you can understand the meaning of whilst sounding flowery and all poetic.
Using "they" in common usage is just wrong, and only used for confected, and wrong, reasons.
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'Ma hovercraft's lippin-fou wi eels.'
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It's like the rest of Scots. Incomprehensible, unless drunk.
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They exist, of course. But most of them keep their religion and their furry associations safely segregated - no furry things at church, no preaching in the furry chat. The few who do express their Christianity through a furry medium are... remarkably fine about it. Xian Jaguar is pretty famous as a Christian fur.
You don't get many strong believers joining the furry community though. There's not really a conflict there - furry has never been widely know enough in Christian circles to attract any organised co
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Scots English is a dialect of English in itself and little is written in Scotland in it, the same way the Americans from the south don't write "Yawal" for You all.
No, it's spelled "y'all".