College President Resigns After 712 Students Test Positive For Covid-19 (cnn.com) 153
CNN reports:
The president of the State University of New York at Oneonta has resigned, as the school grapples with hundreds of reported Covid-19 cases within the university since the beginning of the semester... SUNY Oneonta has reported 712 student cases of Covid-19 since residence halls opened on August 17...
The resignation of the sitting president of SUNY Oneonta comes after the university decided not to test students or quarantine them on arrival. Soon after, the University saw an uptick in positive results. By the time leadership tried to take punitive measures against students for disobeying social distancing orders, the virus had spread...
SUNY Oneonta has about 6,700 students enrolled, according to its website.
In an official statement the school's chancellor said the president now wanted to "pursue other opportunities."
But one student told CNN the outbreak was partly the fault of the student body. "I believe that much of the spreading could have been prevented if the students hadn't partied or hadn't gone anywhere without masks on."
The resignation of the sitting president of SUNY Oneonta comes after the university decided not to test students or quarantine them on arrival. Soon after, the University saw an uptick in positive results. By the time leadership tried to take punitive measures against students for disobeying social distancing orders, the virus had spread...
SUNY Oneonta has about 6,700 students enrolled, according to its website.
In an official statement the school's chancellor said the president now wanted to "pursue other opportunities."
But one student told CNN the outbreak was partly the fault of the student body. "I believe that much of the spreading could have been prevented if the students hadn't partied or hadn't gone anywhere without masks on."
Stupidity and ignorance can be deadly (Score:3, Insightful)
Even if you are a student. Of course, students are also usually at the age where people feel invulnerable. 10% infected is impressive though. Now, most will clearly survive, but some are going to have long-term health problems and some will die.
Re:Stupidity and ignorance can be deadly (Score:5, Interesting)
The local University is responsible for a full 25% of the infections in my county with a population of over 300,000 people.
I don't go to that part of town anymore, it is a Plague Zone. Police try to break up parties from a distance with bullhorns, but they still end up having to arrest the Responsible Persons to get people to go home. If you get arrested, you also get kicked out of school for "behavioral violations." No word if that helps, outside of the dorms.
For the first time in history the dorms are the safest student housing available.
Re:Stupidity and ignorance can be deadly (Score:5, Insightful)
You can tell who will and won't have long-term problems from a virus that's less than a year old? Astounding! I'm sure you only source well-regarded, peer-reviewed, high h-index YouTube videos in your research.
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Also notable, the people who get COVID from those students may be in a higher risk category.
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I think that's the problem really - nobody know if there will be long-term problem (though that hasn't stopped some doubling down on the propaganda by declaring "long covid" is worse than death)
But the illness caused by sars-cov-2 so far do not seem to affect children at all (I read in The Times that thjere has not been a single case, worldwide, of a child passing the virus on to a teacher) and if students are similarly resistant, then surely getting them to spread it amongst themselves is the best thing to
Re:Stupidity and ignorance can be deadly (Score:5, Informative)
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Or, you know, watch YouTube videos of people that say they read the literature and assume they're telling the truth.
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8000 people were infected by SARS and 774 died https://www.healthline.com/hea... [healthline.com]
38.9 million people were infected by Covid 19, 1.11 million deaths https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
yes yes, same old shit...
The healthline article I linked to above has a good discussion on the difference between the two diseases. SARS is has a higher mortality but significantly lower transmissivity. The physical symptoms are similar but SARS apparently lacks the persistent physical, neurological, and cardiovascular symp
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What's funny is that you'll say this with a straight face without even considering looking at the papers, letters, and studies to see how much they diverge from the general populace, or look at the criteria which the medical community uses to make these claims. You're a lot worse at this than you think.
Re:Stupidity and ignorance can be deadly (Score:4, Insightful)
Filed post under "Conspiracy Theory" - Slashdot needs a new category
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"It's not just a variant of SARS. It's very likely a bioengineered, gain-of-function, potentionally weaponized variant of SARS."
Filed post under "Conspiracy Theory" - Slashdot needs a new category
Indeed it does. The utter crap tons of people are posting is astounding. Like actual science does not matter anymore.
Probably need to pack the covidiots in with the flat-earthers, the anti-vaxxers and the climate-change deniers.
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I always found it concerting that the was no category for "Provably false, and here's the proof".
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By reading of the data leads me to the belief that increasing age and chronic conditions increases mortality but decreasing age increases morbidity. my limited sample (4 people) the oldest got very sick, required months of PT to recover physical health. All of them (8mo later) are still suffering from fatigue, confusion, loss of memory, and loss of condition.
regarding a ACE2 receptors, actually it's age-related decrease in expression of ACE2 that causes one of the set of symptoms from Covid 19. There are
Re:Stupidity and ignorance can be deadly (Score:5, Informative)
You do know other respiratory coronaviruses almost like this one have existed for a long time.
No, we know the opposite because WE LISTEN TO THE DOCTORS and the doctors say this is novel, and is causing damage that has not resolved yet and in some patients will not resolve. The exact details are yet unknown, but the shit you said is well outside of what we knew already 8 months ago.
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So, this "mostly nothing" has the whole world in crisis? Are you completely demented or what?
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This virus is from a well known family of viruses
Yes, and that well known family produces reinfections. Why then did you claim [slashdot.org] that reinfections "doesn't happen" for this member of a well-known family of viruses ?
Re: Stupidity and ignorance can be deadly (Score:2)
This is not called "doesn't happen".
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Yeah they get over them without problems precisely BECAUSE those viruses have existed for a long time, and thus have become "endemic" in the population. The same thing will happen with SARS-CoV2 within the next decade for sure, but that doesn't help us much RIGHT NOW.
Re:Stupidity and ignorance can be deadly (Score:5, Informative)
My wife is a physician, and there's a lot of talk among her peers about long term lung and heart issues, even neurological impacts, while there's been some similar viruses, this is novel, we just don't know all the long term impacts yet -- while it's anecdotal, there's been a good number of people who are reporting problems many months after getting 'better'. There's some concern in managed health that we may be looking at a good number of people who may have lifelong chronic problems from COVID, include younger people. So STOP downplaying it, Trump's done that enough already.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/dis... [mayoclinic.org]
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.or... [hopkinsmedicine.org]
https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]
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This virus is from a family of well-known ones.
Which is a lie by misdirection. There are many well-known viruses in this family, but the _family_ is _not_ well-known. There are also a lot of unknown viruses in this family and this is one of them.
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wrong, this is now the most studied coronavirus ever, with good prep work done because if others in the family that hit in last 20 years. Lots is known, nothing is even surprising about it.
Sure. But it is by a very large margin not one where all or even most important information is known. Otherwise we would have an effective vaccine, we would know what the risks of ling-term problems from infection are, we would know all the risk factors, not just the obvious ones. Instead, we know almost nothing. That is because science takes _time_. Effort cannot really reduce that time much.
The things that kill you are the things that are _not_ known. And there is a lot of that for this virus.
Re: Stupidity and ignorance can be deadly (Score:2)
"The people with potential lung damage are the people that had symptoms so bad they were hospitalized."
That's bull, I know people that have been diagnosed with COVID-19 based on imaging their lungs some time after they had it, their tests came back negative, this was an elder lady. The time it takes the lungs to heal from it isn't really known, I just read it can be twelve weeks. You know how many people were hospitalized and had CT scans, you DON'T know how many people have not been hospitalized and have
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Wrong (Score:2)
https://www.mayoclinic.org/dis... [mayoclinic.org]
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You sound angry. Did you skip your Metamucil?
Let's get real (Score:1, Insightful)
Kids don't go to schools like SUNY Oneonta to sit in the dorm rooms 24 hours a day and study. You can't expect people of that age not to socialize. Unless they plan on widespread chemical castration as a student requirement students are going to get together on a regular basis. That is the whole point of going away to college.
Re:Let's get real (Score:5, Insightful)
"I believe that much of the spreading could have been prevented if the students hadn't partied or hadn't gone anywhere without masks on." Kids don't go to schools like SUNY Oneonta to sit in the dorm rooms 24 hours a day and study.
Billions of sensible adult and children humans right now are quarantining themselves inside their homes, and avoiding human contact unless it's absolutely necessary.
You're right. Kids don't go to schools like SUNY Oneonta. Adults do. And I expect those fucking morons to understand by now that there's a global pandemic still raging like an inferno.
I do expect them to sit in their dorm rooms right now if that's what it takes to remain safe and alive, and abide by local restrictions. The rest of the planet is largely proving capable of that.
You can't expect people of that age not to socialize. Unless they plan on widespread chemical castration as a student requirement students are going to get together on a regular basis. That is the whole point of going away to college.
The whole point of going to college regardless of distance/location is getting an education, not "going away". Perhaps you're onto something with widespread chemical castration. Not even COVID can kill Stupid fast enough, and perhaps it's time we stop expecting them to handle any mature responsibility at "that age."
Time to ban smoking, drinking, and voting until age 25. Let the real world dig in for a few years. Allows time to dispel that delusional "going away" happy place the inexperienced assume represent reality.
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Twenty-five is actually about the age the adult human male fully matures (especially the brain), and is in fact a good minimum age for all of the things you mentioned.
Exactly.
Sad that there are too many immature heads that would explode at the mere thought of that.
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judging by the actions of the Orange one and his cult followers, i think there are plenty of exceptions
I see we're still dumb enough to refuse to acknowledge that Orange is not merely a color, but an end result.
If you're looking for someone to blame, grab a mirror citizen. Then make sure to hold your breath for the election results, when everything will just magically get better when "your" guy wins. Because that's how it's always worked out, right?
One of these days we might get smart, but I doubt it. Doing corrupt shit to choose "leaders", is an American tradition now.
Re:Let's get real (Score:4, Insightful)
Billions of sensible adult and children humans right now are quarantining themselves
Billions are. Billions aren't.
Any policy that is based on universal adherence to a set of rules is doomed to fail. Humans don't work that way.
This is especially true if the people required to have total obedience are still teenagers.
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This is the reason many have opposed allowing in-person school, including college.
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This is the reason many have opposed allowing in-person school, including college.
Yet most colleges are coping reasonably well.
They do testing. They quarantine positives. They enforce mask wearing.
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Many are doing better so far. This just shows that the concerns others have are not unfounded.
What will be interesting is to see if those doing better continue that way or if they slack off after a couple months.
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Kids don't go to schools like SUNY Oneonta to sit in the dorm rooms 24 hours a day and study. You can't expect people of that age not to socialize. Unless they plan on widespread chemical castration as a student requirement students are going to get together on a regular basis. That is the whole point of going away to college.
No, the whole point of going to college is getting an education. If you are sick and unable to participate at school, you will probably fail at that.
For some people the point of going away is to get a start on adult life. So that is a by product of leaving home and standing on your own two feet. And I welcome that. But you can grow up without going to college.
Under normal circumstances, socializing as students are great. Unless done excessively it will probably help you learn more (you learn a lot from your
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You don't need big parties to spread this virus quickly. Most dorms are very densely populated, many with shared restrooms and showers. Most students also are having sex with as many partne
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Staying home and getting a job while you attend school is a much better way to start adult life than hanging out with other people your own age who have excessive free time.
Staying home means you can still rely on your parents to make the adult decisions. Going away forces you to take ownership of all aspects of your life.
That this comes with a learning curve reflects merely that people are insulated from reality throughout their childhood.
Anyway, many people go away to university and also get a job.
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I don't expect the US government to come up with a sane policy with the people in power currently either. That lack of expectation doesn't make the massive viral outbreak in the USA any less their fault.
Re:Let's get real (Score:4, Funny)
Kids don't go to schools like SUNY Oneonta to sit in the dorm rooms [...] That is the whole point of going away to college.
No, the point of going to college is to get an advanced degree which denotes the bearer has accomplished an advanced level of education in a field, along with a cursory background in classical education.
A college for kids is about going out to party.
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Kids don't go to schools like SUNY Oneonta to sit in the dorm rooms 24 hours a day and study. You can't expect people of that age not to socialize.
The finger-pointers like to pretend it could happen. Because narcissism: If only everyone was as awesome as ME, nothing bad would ever happen.
If Kids were Responsible (Score:5, Insightful)
All Glory to the Economy!
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I don't know. Here it is the medical community that is pushing for the schools reopening and I get the idea that they may be the last thing to be relocked down if it comes to that.
The head of the Provincial health, Dr Bonny Henry (Google her) seems to think it is very important for the kids to socialize as well as get an education and my government has been very good about letting her run the pandemic besides the economic help that the politicians are in charge of.
There's an election next week and a very go
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Lots of colleges have been doing proper testing and isolating infected students to the point they have 0 cases.
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At some point you need to expect students to act like responsible adults. When you're a grown up, sometimes you don't get to do things you want to, at least not *right away*. Sometimes you have to delay gratification.
Of course students even 18 year-old students can't be expected to act like responsible adults if the campus leaders don't model that for them. Letting students traipse onto campus in September without a COVID-19 test was grossly negligent. By then everybody should have known the potentia
Why? (Score:1, Troll)
Why would a president of anything resign after a mere 700 people were infected with an infectious disease under their watch? I mean, I know a president let nearly 250,000 people die under their watch and idiots are still going to vote for him-- which nearly guarantees a hot nuclear war with China within the next 4 years.
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Why would a president of anything resign after a mere 700 people were infected with an infectious disease under their watch? I mean, I know a president let nearly 250,000 people die under their watch and idiots are still going to vote for him ...
Because 712 people is 11% of the student body, or 4.4 times as bad as the U.S. as a whole. That's a truly staggering failure of leadership. To put it in perspective, my home town university has about 10% more students than theirs, and at last check, has seen only 50 student cases. And I'm still not happy with the fact that they're having in-person classes there at that level. At more than a magnitude more cases per capita, that school's leadership should be brought up on charges. Resignation isn't near
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At more than a magnitude more cases per capita, that school's leadership should be brought up on charges. Resignation isn't nearly enough.
Actually - absolutely - not. The ppl going to that college are adults. It is their own fault getting infected.
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At more than a magnitude more cases per capita, that school's leadership should be brought up on charges. Resignation isn't nearly enough. Actually - absolutely - not. The ppl going to that college are adults.
Legally, maybe.
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Why would a president of anything resign after a mere 700 people were infected with an infectious disease under their watch?
Presumably because some presidents of something have a working moral compass and a sense of humility. I know combining these with the term "president" seems utterly ridiculous in the present day, but none the less not every president of something is a Trump. Actually we can be thankful that he is in fact somewhat unique.
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Why would a president of anything resign after a mere 700 people were infected with an infectious disease under their watch?
Because of being a responsible leader?
This has been routine in China: heads of small districts to heads of cities have been fired for failing to control the virus. The result is remarkable: the country is virus-free and life is back to normal.
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nearly guarantees a hot nuclear war with China within the next 4 years
You appear to be suffering mental health issues. Seek help.
Re:Why? (Score:4, Insightful)
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You are either living under a rock or you know damned well the masks mostly protect OTHER people.
Perhaps if we start charging non-wearers with negligent homicide if anyone catches COVID from them and dies they'll finally get the point.
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Yes, we non-Americans are waiting with pop-corn for Americans to sue each other for this the whole year. Any idea why we are being deprived of entertainment ?
Generally Americans are very obliging this way.
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Due to COVID restrictions, the courts are well below their normal capacity.
Re: Why? (Score:2)
Arghh, that is sad. Go America, you rock. I'm rooting for you.
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Just don't blame me. I voted Green. Had people listened to me, our president would have been an MD.
Wrong (Score:2)
85% of those infected said they'd worn a mask at some point. And most caught it at home where they weren't wearing one
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Jan 8th - First CDC warning
Jan 9th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 14th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 16h - House sends impeachment articles to Senate
Jan 18th - Trump golfs
Jan 19th - Trump golfs
Jan- 20th first case in South Korea
Jan 20th - first case of corona virus in the US, Washington State.
Jan 22nd - “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
Jan 28th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 30th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 1st - Trump golfs
Feb 2nd
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You're the fucking moron. Hopefully, you don't currently attend an institution of "higher" learning.
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The way it has been working here is the politicians introduce the health experts, stand back and let them run things, while giving economic help to those who can't work and also set an example, locking down with everyone, wearing a mask and self-isolating if for example, the wive catches the virus.
Re:Why? (Score:5, Informative)
party on, Garth (Score:2)
"I believe that much of the spreading could have been prevented if the students hadn't partied or hadn't gone anywhere without masks on."
"So, you goin' to Alpha Chi tonight? I hear it's gonna be nuts!"
Does the number matter? (Score:1, Troll)
Did anyone actually get sick? Was anyone admitted to the hospital?
Re:Does the number matter? (Score:5, Insightful)
Even if they don't get sick they are most likely infecting others who may go on to infect others who may die.
It's not about being sick, it's about stopping the spread so others don't get sick. This is why the number of daily cases keeps climbing along with the death count. People don't grasp simple concepts.
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People don't grasp simple concepts.
No, students at SUNY Oneonta do not grasp simple concepts.
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People don't grasp simple concepts.
No, students at SUNY Oneonta do not grasp simple concepts.
That numbers matter and that students don't.
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No, students at SUNY Oneonta do not grasp simple concepts.
I was a college student long ago; and I've worked at a university for most of my adult life. It's been obvious to me for decades that large number of college students everywhere do not grasp - or else willingly ignore - many simple concepts related to intelligent behavior and personal risk.
So I'm not sure why people act surprised or shocked when stuff like this happens. I would argue it was inevitable.
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Please enlighten me. Are you with the Biden is bringing in communism camp? Because I'd like to know how that benefits him or anyone else and what the game plan is after we go commie overnight.
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Because the hospitals will overflow. Hence the question:
Did a single one of these 712 students get admitted to the hospital?
Yeah, it matters (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, it matters (Score:4, Insightful)
Clamp down is already 8 months long. It's not going to start working better next week.
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Re: Yeah, it matters (Score:1)
You mean the bodies with an average age of 85 ?
Think about that for a minute. The fucking average is 85. 1x80 corrects (bad word) 4x86 or 1x90. 1x70 corrects 3x90. 90years old is substantially older than any person can expect to live.
I'm predicted to live to 85 (actually a little less, but, I am staying very fit).
Yes, let's increase suicide, cancer deaths, child abuse, and other condition caused by reduced income and depression and lack of access to medical care so that people who might have lived t
Re: Yeah, it matters (Score:4, Informative)
You mean the bodies with an average age of 85 ?
The actual US statistics disagree with you. The median age of Covid-19 deaths is about 78; the mean (which you seem to refer to) is about 75.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/... [cdc.gov]
90years old is substantially older than any person can expect to live.
In the US, an 85-year-old person has a life expectancy of 91.6 . Someone aged 75 has a life expectancy of 87.3 and has a 36% chance of reaching 90.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/... [cdc.gov]
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The median age of Covid-19 deaths is about 78; the mean (which you seem to refer to) is about 75.
Most certainly not, either you or your source mixes up what "median" means versus "average" - most likely both of them, or you had spotted the mistake.
Hint:
78 78 78
1 78 1,000,000
Have the same median.
Or if you want me to add one more:
34 77 79 23,234,555,000,000
Same median as well.
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My source (CDC) merely provided an age distribution. I calculated the median and mean from that data. (Note: approximately, since the CDC data used 10-year-wide bins).
The post that I replied to stated:
The fucking average is 85. 1x80 corrects (bad word) 4x86 or 1x90.
which seems to refer to the mean since mean(80, 86, 86, 86, 86) == 84.8 while median(80, 86, 86, 86, 86) == 86. Neither the mean nor the median age of Covid-19-related deaths is 85 years old. The median is the closest (at 78).
Amazing (Score:1)
A president who admits responsibility and does the right thing
same numbers in all colleges over the world (Score:2)
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Isn't it all over the world, not just Europe? I'm glad I am not in schools and offices anymore. I am locking myself as a good nerd/geek who rarely goes out. ;)
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Not entirely true. Massachusetts had a lot of colleges and made a point to try and handle them correctly. The students at least once per week (usually more) and isolated if needed. Strict measures are taken against students found violating the rules. There were 119 cases across the state last week due to college which is around 0,1% of the student population and less than 3% of cases in the state. Having 712 at a single school is a complete failure of leadership
Re: same numbers in all colleges over the world (Score:2)
I agree. I'm a guest researcher at MIT right now and they are requiring students to test weekly (1-day turnaround qPCR), and are very aggressive with quarantining and notifying of potential contacts.
Generally, yes college kids/young adults are prone to make stupid choices. We shouldn't excuse that behavior as "kids will be kids" - we should reinforce social distancing rules and punish those who willfully ignore them. BUT, recognizing that it's nearly impossible to stop that behavior completely, the rational
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In Europe students do not live in the university or share showers ... seriously?
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Just to nitpick: such housings are usually not on the campus of the university. And any student in the same town can rent a room there, oops. Aka: it is not a dorm that is associated in any way to any campus.
So: nope :P
Duh! (Score:1)
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Demand more from your state governments (Score:1)
The governor in this state has signed over 200 executive orders this year. Most of these demanded unpopular changes to personal behavior and invasive business modifications including complete shutdowns. I realize these definitely will slow the spread of the disease when compliance is universal. However, they should have taken into account how people would respond to edicts from authority especially over many months.
It's difficult to justify following these orders post lockdown as they seem to have very l
WHy is this news here ? (Score:1)
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One university in the UK had 1500 infections recently. It's not surprising, kids first time living away from home, lots of newfound freedom and inexperience, social mixing, living 5 to a small house or in cramped halls of residence.
quitter (Score:2)
There was only one flaw in his model... (Score:2)
But it's a party school, google says (Score:3)
It sounds like a nice school and I am very sad to hear about all of the infected students. The leadership was not realistic though. Just google SUNY oneonta party school. Is it one? Well Niche says [1] it is #4 party school in New York State. That site gives it a B or B- for academics based on its teachers, and an A+ for partying. For "What one word or phrase best describes the typical student at this school?" the answer 57% give is "Long Island party animal" and another 38% answered "Sociable". For the leadership to expect that social distancing rules are enough to protect their students based on what other partying schools (most of them?) have done is unrealistic.
[1] https://www.niche.com/colleges... [niche.com]
[2] https://www.niche.com/colleges... [niche.com]
Is anyone sick? (Score:2)
Any hospitalizations or deaths?
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Biff and Joeboy at Oneonta.
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We're 'all' going to get the 'rona, sooner or later. Most will be just fine, especially at college age. Better to live our lives like human beings, than as gullible, dehumaized, zombies.
It seem like this is all kind of a pointless delaying tactic.
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Delay makes sense though. If we hold it off for a while, perhaps we will be able to get the advanced treatments and socialized medicine that Trump enjoyed when he got it. Or even get a vaccine and, in fact, not get COVID at all.