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Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Restarts -- To Install 'Unsolicited, Unwanted' Office Apps (theverge.com) 292

The Verge's senior news editor complains that without permission, Windows 10 restarted to install "unsolicited, unwanted web app versions of Word, PowerPoint, Excel and Outlook onto my computer." OK, it's not as bad as when my entire computer screen got taken over by an unwanted copy of Microsoft Edge. That was truly egregious. No, this time Microsoft is merely sneaking unwanted web apps onto my PC — and using my Windows 10 Start Menu as free advertising space. Did I mention that icons for Microsoft Office apps have magically appeared in my Start Menu, even though I've never once installed Office on this computer?

These aren't full free copies of Office, by the way. They're just shortcuts to the web version you could already access in any web browser of your choice, which double as advertisements to pay for a more fully featured copy... They're the latest proof that Microsoft doesn't respect your ownership of your own PC, the latest example of Microsoft installing anything it likes in a Windows update up to and including bloatware, and the latest example of Microsoft caring more about the bottom line than whether a few people might lose their work when Windows suddenly shuts down their PC. Luckily, I didn't lose any work today, but a friend of mine recently did...

Microsoft seems to think our computers are free advertising space, a place where it can selfishly promote its other products — even though they were told roundly in the '90s that even bundling a web browser was not OK. Now, they're bundling a browser you can't uninstall, and a set of PWA web apps that launch in that same browser. (Yes, they fire up Edge even if you've set a different browser as default.)

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Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Restarts -- To Install 'Unsolicited, Unwanted' Office Apps

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  • by Arthur, KBE ( 6444066 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @03:37AM (#60623832)
    You're mistaken. This is not your computer, it's Microsoft's.
    • Even if you paid for it. It's theirs

      • by alexgieg ( 948359 ) <alexgieg@gmail.com> on Monday October 19, 2020 @05:06AM (#60624002) Homepage

        That actually depends on how much you pay for it. If it's one of the cheap versions, meaning anything up to Windows 10 Pro, then yes, it's theirs, since you got a discount in exchange for watching ads and being trackef.

        Now, if you want a version of Windows 10 that had no ads, no tracking, and no bloatware, it's available, but for the actual full price of Windows. It's called Windows 10 LTSC. It's an alternate download option for buyers of Windows 10 Enterprise, so you need a license for that one first.

        So, want a Windows 10 without Cortana, Edge, ads, tracking etc.? It exists. It's just as expensive as Windows ever was before ad-based subsidies entered the picture.

    • And back in Vista development times, the Content Mafia was promised, that is would be theirs . . .
      *points at Mafiosi*
      Haaa-haaa!

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Time for another anti-trust investigation. Maybe time to break Microsoft up, separate out the OS engineering, Office and the Windows Store stuff.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by v1 ( 525388 )

        Time for another anti-trust investigation.

        MS: "ok customer, do you want to pay a lot or a little for this software?"

        CUSTOMER: "as little as possible!"

        MS: "OK then here you go, fewer features, and we're throwing in some ads for accessories to get back some of the features you've chosen not to purchase, in case you change your mind."

        CUSTOMER: "OMG so unfair! I paid for this software, it's MINE!"

        MS: "No, actually you only paid for some of it. The ads you're seeing paid for the rest of it."

        Nothing's free.

        • by JonnyCalcutta ( 524825 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @10:15AM (#60624650)

          Nothing's free. If you're getting a discount on the front end, you should expect there to be a "cost" somewhere. Advertisements are that hidden cost.

          Lots of things are free. More specifically, I just checked the EULA and there's nothing about either myself or MS accepting ads in lieu of payment. I was certainly never asked if I would like a cheaper version of Windows for the price of viewing ads.

          I also just checked my copy of Windows Pro and sure enough, there is a new icon in the start menu for Office.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Once again this seems to be a fringe issue though, something most of us don't see.

      What's the bet he's using some free version of Windows Home or whatever and then complaining that Microsoft are "using my Windows 10 Start Menu as free advertising space". Yes, it's free advertising space, that's why you paid fuck all or nothing for the free/cheap version of Windows, that's how it gets paid for.

      It's like using Facebook and complaining they're using your wall to show you ads, or using Google and complaining the

      • by xonen ( 774419 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @05:36AM (#60624022) Journal

        You're wrong on two fronts.

        First of all, W10 is not 'free'. Not sure where you got that idea from, but it's not free, not then not now. The only thing they offered for free was to upgrade from W7 to W10. Now speaking of W7, that was pretty much ad-free. It was an OS, no more no less, if you wanted to have certain software you'd have to install it. Which explains the free upgrade since you'd have to sign a new EULA to update.

        Second, this auto-restarting thing. Yes, Windows pro has an option to disable that, or at least delay. And guess what? At times, it just happily gets ignored. Doesn't matter that windows home edition is even worse. The sad reality is that those update settings don't do what you expect them to do. Even with pro chances are you return next morning or after your lunch break only to find your PC happily waiting for you with a log-on screen and all your open applications gone and unsaved stuff lost.

        My views on this: it's short term-thinking strategies, in order to grind a few extra coins for their office or whatever they try to sell. In the long run, every time they pull stunts like this they alienate a few more users. As long that offsets population growth on this planet they don't care. Is it a surprise? no. Despite MS' charm offensive and them 'embracing OS' - it's still the same company with the same attitude as when Bill Gates founded it. They will not do anything unless they can make a coin out of it. They believe heir strategy makes them more coins and they may well be right - for now.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Windows 10 is kinda free. You can install it without a licence key and it will work pretty much normally. There are a couple of minor things, you have a permanent watermark in the bottom right of the screen and can't change the wallpaper, that's about it.

          Enterprise is the version you want for full control. It lets you disable telemetry and control updates. Like those special telescreens with an off switch in Nineteen Eighty Four.

        • Yup. You're totally right. I only find two options acceptable:
          • Either you provide the OS at no cost and then ads are acceptable
          • ...or the user pays for the OS and then it has no ads at all

          Currently people have to pay for the OS and then get ads. Maybe MS thinks the licenses are too cheap? Just increase them but stop disrepecting users like that.
          Btw, I'd be more than happy to pay some more for my smartphone and then be able to remove any apps including many Google apps I have no use for.

        • by waveclaw ( 43274 )

          Not Free is a terrible argument. Using a Windows computer, particularly a company or school issues laptop, is as free as taking a taxi ride.

          At one point is was just a simple way for a private capital owner to rent out their property for profit. And you get a ride from point A to point B.

          Now it's a monetizable experience. You will see ADs. Your ride may be quite poor because corners can be cut on cleanliness and quality to extract further profit from each warm butt in a seat. The route may be ordered t

      • Once again this seems to be a fringe issue though, something most of us don't see.

        Just another case of PEBKAC.

        (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair)

      • by Bert64 ( 520050 )

        Things like Linux and warez set the precedent that software can be both free of cost and free from advertising, given the availability of so much free software the price people are willing to pay for any software is pushed down.
        Services like google and facebook have always been supported by advertising, and so are their competitors. There is no expectation of anything else.

    • only the operating system belongs to Microsoft. the computer belongs to mastercard

    • Lets all go back to XP
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Lets all go back to XP

        Go back?

    • by methano ( 519830 )
      Welcome back to the '90's. We missed you.

      Microsoft
  • In their own weird way [knowyourmeme.com].

    Condescending nannies.

    Except with more sternness that wouldn't be necessary with enough "nice and cheerful" psycho-grinness.

  • Why are you still using that OS?
    • I like having a job, and the software needs to run on a Windows box. I would love to have just stayed on Windows 7 forever, but I don't know how to upgrade it to 7 and its currently out of updates anyway.

      Any good guides on how to lock it down/prevent the worst of this?

  • As usual 2/2 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by hcs_$reboot ( 1536101 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @03:52AM (#60623864)
    Do not attribute to malice what can equally be explained by incompetence.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by tokul ( 682258 )

      > explained by incompetence.

      It would take next level of incompetence to make software available in "Microsoft Store" in a way that user can't disable it or remove it completely.

      Don't attribute to incompetence what can be explained by abuse of monopoly/os control.

    • ..But this can more easily be explained by malice than incompetence. Incompetence would be having weird bugs. This is just Microsoft showing you ads with no compensation at all. It's a net gain by the perpetrator..hence my malice theory.
  • You wanted this (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DNS-and-BIND ( 461968 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @03:53AM (#60623868) Homepage
    No matter how many times you were warned that Windows 10 removed your ability to control your own computer, you didn't think it was a big deal. You got more out of Microsoft taking over administrative control than you exchanged in freedom. MS would do a better job managing your computer than you could. Well now the sociopaths have gotten wind of it and started their usual bullshit. As things get worse and worse from now on - and this is just the beginning - remember you said this was OK and crapped on anyone who warned you.
    • I don't know anyone who wanted Windows 10 to remove control. It's not like there were two versions you could choose which to install (well, you can buy an enterprise license and get more control). It was "continue to get security updates" or don't. Or pay more to switch to OS X. Or install Linux, unless you need things that only run on Windows (or Window and OS X).

      • by Entrope ( 68843 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @07:05AM (#60624174) Homepage

        Have you, as an individual, tried to buy the Enterprise version of Windows 10? You apparently need an Enterprise license to run Windows inside a VM on any non-Windows platform, so I tried to figure out how to do that. You can license per device or per user, and then there are multiple additional licenses per server, and you need to go through one of their reseller "partners" because reasons.

        Buying an "enterprise" license for Windows now is not just a question of money, it's a significant time and effort investment plus multiple thousands of dollars.

        • Does Parallels for Mac count? How about VirtualBox on a Mac? I'm running Windows 10 Home Edition in both of those and it's working fine. I needed a valid Windows 10 license to install of course, but I'm not noticing any issues.
    • I always thought it was a big deal but none of the alternatives fit my needs as a full time OS. I'm not willing to cut off my nose to spite my face.
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  • Just wait (Score:4, Informative)

    by dwywit ( 1109409 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @03:59AM (#60623880)

    There'll be a workaround to remove these "apps".

    Just like you can uninstall Edgeium with a little tool called Powershell, or prevent it completely with Microsoft's own "MicrosoftEdgeChromiumBlockerToolkit.exe"

    I'm not saying either of these issues are trivial. MS is definitely in the wrong to force these things on users.

  • That's one of the reasons I have been avoiding anything MS after W2k.

    Moreover, I have noticed that simple things in windos got worse, more difficult to access or useless (windows networking for example, but also sound and desktop recording, native even in W311). I think this is normal when a company buys a product they didn't create. They only leave parts that make them money.

    • W2K fixed a lot of problems with WNT4. For example, it was necessary to reboot a WNT4 box about once per week, or it would crash and do it for you. W2K would run for months (I usually needed to do something else with the box after that, so it could have been longer). XP was horrible in comparison. In exchange for a couple of features that should have been in WNT4, you got poorly implemented DRM that would lock you out of your own files and "validation". Down the road a bit more and they added a couple

  • Nobody cares (Score:3, Insightful)

    by doragasu ( 2717547 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @04:08AM (#60623904)

    The problem is that nobody cares. Some people might care enough to just complain on the net. But almost nobody cares enough to make an effort trying to move to an alternative.

    And yes, there are alternatives, they just might require some additional effort.

  • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @04:14AM (#60623918) Homepage

    I boot Windows only on rare occasions, usually because someone has sent me an MS-Office-specific file or one of those horrible interactive PDFs. Today was the first time in maybe a year. Of course, I knew there would be a massive pile of updates - that's no surprise. However, there was also all the usual pain. This happens every time there is a major WIndows update:

    - Windows rewrites the boot-loader, so that it is the only boot option.

    - Windows installs various applications, without asking (see TFA)

    - Windows resets some or all of the privacy settings

    What is also annoying is that they move stuff around. Finding the list of installed programs - moved from a year ago. Finding the privacy settings - moved from a year ago. There is no longer a program-menu entry for the terminal (or powershell, fwiw). Oh, and they add icons to the toolbar and the desktop - no, I still don't want to talk to Cortana.

    Business as usual for Windows.

  • by flyingfsck ( 986395 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @04:30AM (#60623934)
    I would think that 10 restarts to install a couple of html links is probably a little excessive.
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      I would think that 10 restarts to install a couple of html links is probably a little excessive.

      Probably more of an indication how fundamentally broken Win10 is. They may _need_ these restarts.

  • The old MS (Score:5, Informative)

    by fafalone ( 633739 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @04:36AM (#60623942)
    Everything MS has done with Win10 always leaves me incredulous when /. commenters talk about how much less evil Microsoft is now. They're as bad as ever, don't know what some people here are smoking. "Oh but WSL and open source contribution!" No, evil, bad /.er
    • by The Rizz ( 1319 )

      Um, no, MS is definitely not "as bad as ever". Yeah, they're still doing weird shitty controlling things, but it's nowhere near as bad as the full-on FUD days of the 80s to 00s.

    • by ytene ( 4376651 )
      Not only but also...

      What about the randomly induced fsck-ups that Microsoft keep visiting upon people's machines?

      Literally yesterday morning I had my machine running to play the PC version of "Horizon Zero Dawn". Switched off to do some chores... went back to it last night. Turned the machine on and my nVidia Surround had been turned off. All my desktop icons had been moved to a random mess on one of my monitors. Nothing whatsoever in the "Update" log to suggest that any software or updates were insta
      • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

        That sounds like a bug with nvidia drivers and multi-monitor support. When one monitor isn't detected properly at startup by the driver, it tells windows that there's only one monitor connected, which messes up your pre-arranged desktop icons.

        • by ytene ( 4376651 )
          Indeed, I'm familiar with that from past experience and I would have been willing to accept it as the case here.

          These monitors are all driven from an RTX2080Ti card. All 3 monitors were fully active and visible when the machine booted - and their arrangement relative to each other (i.e. which appeared as the left, center and right screen was correct).

          The monitor to my "left" has a DisplayPort plug in to the 2080Ti and an HDMI plug in to the monitor. The center screen is HDMI to HDMI. The screen to my
    • Yes they're as bad as ever. But Google and Facebook are so much worse they make Microsoft almost look decent in comparison.

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  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @04:50AM (#60623970)

    At least that is how Microsoft thinks of it. It is theirs to do with as they please. Laws against computer sabotage and unauthorized changes of data, software and configurations (which can get you prison time, in Europe at least) do not apply to Microsoft.

    • Laws against computer sabotage and unauthorized changes of data, software and configurations (which can get you prison time, in Europe at least) do not apply to Microsoft.

      The next obvious question is why...

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Exactly. One would think that at least the under the GDPR thoroughly illegal and criminal "telemetry" that is not opt-in only and, worse, cannot be disabled would have gotten some extreme fines leveled on MS by now. But no, smaller companies had to change their software, but MS got away with some token changes. The GDPR states very clearly that _no_ data whatsoever may be sent home unless the user gives consent and that the defaults _must_ be "off".

  • by The Rizz ( 1319 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @04:58AM (#60623984)

    If you want to stop Windows 10 from automatically rebooting, do this:

    Win+R to go to %windir%\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\UpdateOrchestrator

    Rename every file starting with "reboot" to "reboot.old" or similar. Then, for each file you renamed, create a directory with the old name (it will prevent Windows from recreating the reboot files).

  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @05:04AM (#60623998)

    ... Windows 10 restarted to install "unsolicited, unwanted web app versions of Word, PowerPoint, Excel and Outlook onto my computer.

    I have 3 current, fully-patched Windows 10 Pro systems (2 - bare metal, 1 - VM on Ubuntu) and none of them have experienced this. One of the bare metal systems has Office 2010 installed, the others have no Office products and no Office web-app links -- so far anyway.

    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @06:01AM (#60624064)

      This should be of no surprise. This is The Verge after all, you should see them build a PC.

      The reality is Windows Update doesn't automatically reboot a computer unless you have "Restart this device as soon as possible" ticked in the advanced options, or you're running a Windows 10 version from 2016 back before they introduced this option.

      Additionally "suggested apps" in the start menu remains a thing. A thing that most normal people disable in the settings. That said it's too soon to say if this would also prevent these apps from showing up since apparently it seems they were delivered via an Edge update.

      But yes, I concur I have not seen anything similar, and Windows hasn't "forced" a reboot for me for a good 4 years now (though apparently it will eventually force if you ignore it).

    • It probably doesn't affect Pro or Enterprise versions and it certainly doesn't touch any of the LTS versions. Dude most likely has home version and complains why MS treats him like a pleb.
    • I can't believe that the writer of the article *STILL* hasn't turned off the "Recommended Apps" in the Start Menu. How long has he been using Windows 10? Everyone else who cares about this has already turned it off. He has absolutely no justification for being upset at this point.
  • I mean, if it doesn't work for him there are alternatives. He's not like a slashdot that doesn't use windows and complains anyway, he's a journalist, right?
  • Someone call that little weirdo Ronan Farrow, this could be his next book.
    • Ronan Farrow is a journalist, the ones complaining about him are not journalist and don't know what a real journalist does.
      Not many real journalist left in the lamestream media,
      Just like there are very few Democrats(which I used to be, maybe still am) left in the Democratic Socialist party.
  • Apple? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Daemonik ( 171801 )

    Apple does things like this all the time and gets defended by their cultists, Microsoft does something and it's pitchforks and torches time.

    It's not like Microsoft has your RAM or NVME soldered down or anything. As for the "browser you can't even uninstall" *pearl clutching and gasps* The whole user interface is built around their web browser. Can you yank Dolphin out of KDE or Nautilus out of GNOME? Wouldn't be easy.

    • Microsoft does something and it's pitchforks and torches time.

      It's not even that nefarious. It's stupid users who don't know how to change system settings. There's literally an option in Windows Update to not reboot as soon as possible, and providing that is unticked you'll get a full week worth of warnings that pending updates are waiting reminding you to reboot to install them.

      • Windows Update? What's that? Oh, is that when it asks me to log in again?

        Never underestimate the ignorance of the average user.

    • by vyvepe ( 809573 )

      I did not see a good user interface build around browser yet. That includes Win10.

      The typical problems are:

      • tab/focus order is often complete garbage
      • there is no keyboard only support most of the time
      • no 3D controls (it is harder to recognize where are the borders of controls
      • they are slow compared to old-time GUI toolkits
      • they take way too much screen space, low information density
      • poor support for tool tips and help

      Add to that the stupid flat user interface of Win10 and at most 1 point wide window borders and i

    • Amen to this. Safari still opens up on my iPad when I use Chrome for everything else. There are 3 desktop types that really get used: Windows, MacOS, and Chromebook. All have built-in, default, and really important browsers tied in. This tired trope is > 20 years old and it's just used up. Find something else to whine about.
    • Re:Apple? (Score:5, Informative)

      by hackertourist ( 2202674 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @08:54AM (#60624402)

      Apple does things like this all the time

      Except I've never seen Apple do any of the things metnioned in TFA:

      - forced installation of OS updates without user confirmation
      - restarting without restoring your desktop including unsaved documents
      - inclusion of applications in forced OS updates, other than the applications that are included for free with the OS
      - inclusion of ads for other applications

    • The difference is that in Linux you can easily change your desktop environment if you don't like it. You're still running the same base OS and can run the same applications. You can't do that in Windows. The OS is tied to a single UI
    • Um, no. Apple's auto-updates are easily turned off. And guess what? They stay turned off. I've never had an apple computer or iOS device ignore me switching auto-updates off. And they've never spontaneously rebooted mid work day.

      I mean, don't get me wrong, I do find Apple's trending towards despicable in more and more ways, but this isn't one of them.

    • Re:Apple? (Score:4, Informative)

      by andymadigan ( 792996 ) <amadigan@gmNETBSDail.com minus bsd> on Monday October 19, 2020 @01:27PM (#60625450)
      Huh? Updating of the various Apple OSes:

      macOS: Shows a notification and asks for permission to restart, won't do it on its own, ever. I think it might require a password, too.
      iOS/iPadOS: Definitely requires you to enter your phone's passcode (if you have one) to start the download. Then prompts again for permission to restart. Won't restart without that first prompt.
      Watch OS: Pops a notification telling you it will happen, will only update while on the charger.
      tvOS: This one, I think, will update on its own, if left for long enough. I usually manually update it.
      HomePod: Same as tvOS

      Actually, on macOS and iOS I get more annoyed that I have to babysit the update process. I can't just press one button and walk away, I have to wait for the second prompt to actually get the update started. Frequently on macOS, at least one app I have open will "cancel restart", so usually while I'm waiting for the second prompt I'm manually closing every app.

      As for pre-installing ads, I guess the default dock on macOS does have TV, Music, News, ... but all you have to do is drag them off the dock. I've never seen an update change the dock. iOS has those apps preinstalled as well, though you can remove them. Updates don't reinstall them. You can't uninstall News on macOS, but the Applications folder has plenty of trash in it that I've never really worried about.

      Apple also doesn't have 8 tiers of OSes with varying price points and availability. You don't have to pay extra to have more control of your updates. There's One Version of macOS, and you can disable all forms of automatic updates through System Preferences > Software Update > Advanced.

      My roommate has a Windows 10 laptop, though I don't think he's used it in months, ever since I gave him my old MBP. I remember he bought the upgrade to Pro so he could run docker. He went through the built-in UI to buy the upgrade, and when it was done the update crashed and he eventually ended up in a state where Windows wouldn't activate (I forgot that was a thing). It then tried to charge him full price for Windows Pro (even though he had just paid for the upgrade and had a valid Home license). We had to call the number and try to convince a button pusher we weren't thieves to get his computer working again. I still have no idea what he did wrong, I watched him do it and all he did was click through the wizard and follow its instructions.

      So no, Apple doesn't do this. Almost every Apple critic's problem with Apple boils down to one thing: the hardware is expensive and they can't afford the up-front cost.
  • A magazine who demonstrated they have no knowledge of how to assemble a PC, just demonstrated that their editor is too dumb to disable "Restart this device as soon as possible" in the Windows Update settings.

    What's the bet he also has "Show suggestions occasionally in Start" ticked.

    • A computer journalist who reviews Windows left the settings on default as most users would ... so they can experience the same as most users

  • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @06:27AM (#60624122)

    it's Google which is under investigation for being a "monopoly".

  • It's getting to the point where I don't even want a new computer, new phone, or anything connected to the Internet.
    • Above all else, I don't want a car with connectivity. I'm still driving the one I bought 22 years ago and I hope it'll last another 22.
  • I hit windows button and there are little advertising panels in the popup crap for years. This isn't new.

  • by ytene ( 4376651 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @07:04AM (#60624170)
    Whilst I'm sure that Microsoft's Legal Department may have been consulted and will certainly defend their actions rigorously, this smacks of being questionable under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act [wikipedia.org].

    For this observation, I'd have to concede that whether or not the CFAA applies may well boil down to what agreements end users accept when they accept Microsoft's "Terms and Conditions". But if it isn't absolutely crystal clear that end users are granting Microsoft the right to change *application* features on Windows 10, then they have no legal basis for installing applications on your PC without permission [thereby taking up your disk space]. Technically, when they do this, Microsoft would be accessing your computer and making unauthorized changes without your consent: the textbook definition of "hacking", hence my looking to the CFAA.

    If Microsoft are voluntarily adding content that a User has not asked for, which is not "maintenance", but in fact adding optional new features and applications, then this is getting very close to the sort of anti-trust behaviors that have seen them sanctioned in the past. It's like a new version of "illegal bundling" - only now they're not embedding IE functionality directly in to the OS as an attempt to kill off Netscape, they're leveraging their OS dominance by adding their application products to your machine - without being asked - in a manner that would put all competing products at an immediate disadvantage.

    But even if we're generous and we assume that Microsoft have granted themselves the legal write to add application software to your PC during an ***OS*** Update, and even if the Terms and Conditions that end users agree to in order to run Windows 10 allows them to do this, then it is possible that what Microsoft are doing falls within the realms of what is legally known as unconscionability [wikipedia.org]. This is a "legal term of art", which in plain English means that even if you write a contract or agreement that is technically legal, you can't write it so that it robs one party of all rights and confers complete authority to another party. That would be the legal equivalent of a "stacked deck", which the law doesn't allow.

    In other words, if someone has the time and/or funds to take issue with this, I think there's a half-decent chance that this might be thoroughly illegal.

    Obviously the DoJ won't care about this - at least not this side of the November election - but perhaps the EU can step in again?

    I am not a lawyer. This post does not constitute legal advice.
  • by indytx ( 825419 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @07:35AM (#60624242)

    But I never notice the little tiles in the start menu. On the rare times that I use it instead of the search bar, I just scroll through the list of programs. My brain has literally tuned out those portions. Of course, the same thing happens for unfolded laundry, so this could be a personal failing.

  • They force the computer out of sleep mode all the fucking time. I have put my computer to sleep, only to watch it turn itself back on several minutes later.

    I'm sick of Microsoft stealing my electricity, using it without permission.

  • I no longer have a windows computer actually running. For me Windows 7 pro was the last of that pita Gates plague I will have to deal with.
    Ubuntu 20.04 with KDE has been working great since it rolled out.

    For "me" the Linux desktop has arrived after all these years of dual booting, etc. Six months and still no reason this time to go back.

    Windows 10 pro is not a computer operating system it is an advertising, spying and data stealing system.
  • by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Monday October 19, 2020 @12:00PM (#60625082)

    We are the Microsoft. Disable your security and surrender your computer. We will add your computational and storage capabilities to our own. Your computer will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

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