In the Last Week America Experienced 1 Million New Coronavirus Cases (cnn.com) 276
The total number of U.S. coronavirus cases since the pandemic started has now surpassed 12 million, CNN reports — "an increase of more than 1 million cases in less than a week."
Researchers at John Hopkins University calculate that over a quarter of a million Americans have now died from the disease. Almost every state has reported a rapid surge in cases, and nationwide numbers have been climbing much faster than ever before — with the country reporting a staggering 2.8 million infections since the beginning of the month. On Friday, more than 195,500 new infections were reported — the country's highest for a single day, and far beyond what the nation was seeing just weeks ago. The highest number of single-day cases during the country's summer surge was a little more than 77,100 in July, Johns Hopkins University data shows.
The U.S. on Friday also recorded its highest number of Covid-19 patients in hospitals on a given day: just over 82,100 — according to the COVID Tracking Project. Rising death rates typically follow rising hospitalizations. In just the past week, more than 10,000 U.S. deaths have been reported — nearly double the weekly death toll of just a month ago... The virus is still running unabated in the U.S. and the rate of rising cases is now "dramatically" different from what it was before, White House Coronavirus task force coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx told CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta....
The good news? Experts say promising vaccines are on the horizon and until then, there are things the American public can do to help hold down the virus. Those include wearing a mask, social distancing, avoiding crowds and washing hands regularly. The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation projected this week about 65,000 lives could be saved by March 1 if 95% of Americans wore masks.
The rising graph (midway through the story) says it all.
UPDATE: CNN reported Sunday that in just the month of November America experienced three million new Covid-19 infections.
Researchers at John Hopkins University calculate that over a quarter of a million Americans have now died from the disease. Almost every state has reported a rapid surge in cases, and nationwide numbers have been climbing much faster than ever before — with the country reporting a staggering 2.8 million infections since the beginning of the month. On Friday, more than 195,500 new infections were reported — the country's highest for a single day, and far beyond what the nation was seeing just weeks ago. The highest number of single-day cases during the country's summer surge was a little more than 77,100 in July, Johns Hopkins University data shows.
The U.S. on Friday also recorded its highest number of Covid-19 patients in hospitals on a given day: just over 82,100 — according to the COVID Tracking Project. Rising death rates typically follow rising hospitalizations. In just the past week, more than 10,000 U.S. deaths have been reported — nearly double the weekly death toll of just a month ago... The virus is still running unabated in the U.S. and the rate of rising cases is now "dramatically" different from what it was before, White House Coronavirus task force coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx told CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta....
The good news? Experts say promising vaccines are on the horizon and until then, there are things the American public can do to help hold down the virus. Those include wearing a mask, social distancing, avoiding crowds and washing hands regularly. The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation projected this week about 65,000 lives could be saved by March 1 if 95% of Americans wore masks.
The rising graph (midway through the story) says it all.
UPDATE: CNN reported Sunday that in just the month of November America experienced three million new Covid-19 infections.
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In just the past week, more than 10,000 U.S. deaths have been reported
We experienced three 9/11 attacks, plus a few Oklahoma City bombings in one week, and there are millions of people who won't bat an eye.
Math continues to work, and water is still wet (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm mostly wondering why we keep seeing so many of these stories. If you're sane, you already figured it out. If you're crazy, then you never will. And never the twain shall meet.
We already know the best solution. Arrest everyone. (China.)
Second best solution. Test like crazy. (South Korea and a few other success stories.)
Third best solution. Masks. (Japan and others.)
Fourth best solution. Muddle through. (Most of Europe.)
Worst anti-solution. Pretend Covid-19 is a political problem. (America is #1.)
Not sure where Africa fits in. They seem to be doing pretty well based on having learned something from their experiences with Ebola. And it ain't communism. I was recently provoked into checking the data, and ultra-communist Cuba has 131 deaths (to be contrasted with pseudo-communist China).
Why am I so hung up on solutions? Why doesn't America divide and conquer the virus instead of the nation itself?
Punchline? There's a purely capitalist solution to the economic side of the Covid-19 crisis. It's called insurance. Companies have to buy various kinds. If the insurance companies can't sell pandemic insurance (and so far they haven't), then we are forced into the usual fiasco of forcing the government to act as insurer of last resort--but even then we're doing it in a crazy politicized way. Why not let the insurance companies use their expertise in handling the damage claims? On the other side, the premiums still have to be paid from the future tax revenues, but that's where we already are, except without any accountability.
Meanwhile, the REAL #1 priority should be the medical problem that is Covid-19. But we can't even agree on stopping the dying. FREEDOM! /s
Arresting everyone doesn't really work (Score:4, Insightful)
We also need to, as AOC pointed out, pay people to say home. Our entire economy shouldn't collapse just because Karens can't get their morning Mimosa and the theaters & bars are closed. It's not like those things produce anything, they're sevices, meaning in real terms nothing is lost by paying those people their wages while they can't safely work (except our puritanical notions that human life must be "earned").
Other than that you're spot on.
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I was pretty sure I shouldn't say "good" in connection to the extreme Chinese approach. More like it was "bad" from the perspective of the coronavirus? But the main point to me was that the Chinese seem to be ready for a zombie apocalypse.
I considered including Vietnam. Definitely a success story, but I'm not sure about their blend of responses. However the Chinese did also provide isolation rooms to prevent family members from catching it. The Japanese talked about doing that, but it never seemed to me tha
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Chances are people you live with already have it if you test positive.
Isolating at home is a good solution if support is available. A friend in China had to do it when she returned from overseas, and every day the local government sent people to deliver her shopping from local stores and check she had everything she needed. Compensation for lost work was available.
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If I get sick there's nowhere for me to quarantine besides my home, guaranteeing I spread it to everyone in my household.
Quarantining at home doesn't guarantee you spread it to everyone in your household. A friend of mine tested positive a few months ago, he quarantined at home, and neither his wife nor his two children caught the virus. If you're afraid of infecting your family, there's absolutely nothing stopping you from staying in a hotel or AirBnB/Vrbo to quarantine.
Depends on how big your home is and whether you can afford a hotel.
Victoria Solution (Score:3)
It is under control from being basically out of control.
https://www.theglobeandmail.co... [theglobeandmail.com]
https://www.abc.net.au/news/20... [abc.net.au]
Good luck America, but I think the horse has bolted.
Re: Victoria Solution (Score:2)
I donâ(TM)t think other countries want to even can lock their people up for four months.
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No one wants to, but if the financial part was properly separated from the medical part, then at least it would be much more reasonable to try.
Another countermeasure that I think should have been implemented is large-scale blood testing looking for the antibodies. Should be part of all routine blood work by this late date, just to give them a substantial body of data about the spread of the virus. However I don't think any country has pushed in that direction.
Re:Math continues to work, and water is still wet (Score:5, Insightful)
Meanwhile, the REAL #1 priority should be the medical problem that is Covid-19.
Fresh CDC numbers:
11,843,490 cases, 253,600. As of right now
That's a 2.14% death rate, which is -slightly- less than the worldwide death rate of 2.41% (55.6 million cases, 1.34 million deaths).
Back in March, the CDC [cdc.gov] estimated 3.0% on the high side.
In 2018, there were 11,164 [cdc.gov] deaths related to influenza.
I respectfully disagree with you. The #1 problem is disinformation originating from anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, and other individuals with lower-than-average cognitive abilities.
Re:Math continues to work, and water is still wet (Score:5, Informative)
Re: Math continues to work, and water is still wet (Score:2)
Also, the virus is running out of easy to infect/kill people. A good chunk of the vulnerable people died in the first wave, the pockets of elderly/ comorbid people hopefully are practicing better hygiene and social distancing, the rest of the population will be limited to easy symptoms/no symptoms but become spreaders to everyone else.
Not the best way to deal with a pandemic, but eventually the vaccine will put a stop to the spread.
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Is that only deaths directly confirmed to be COVID related?
In the UK officially we have about 55k official COVID deaths, but that only includes people who died within 28 days of a positive diagnosis. If you look at the total number of reported deaths this year compared to what you would normally expected based on the weather you can easily add another 20k to that, probably more.
I say probably more because with us bouncing in and out of lockdown and local restrictions there have been fewer deaths due to road
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Re: Math continues to work, and water is still wet (Score:2)
What is the vitamin D connection?
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https://www.bmj.com/content/37... [bmj.com]
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What is the vitamin D connection?
There's a fair amount of evidence hat vitamin D deficiency leads to reduced immune function. Mild vitamin D deficiency is pretty common in Europe especially over the winter. We're a lot further North than most Americans assume. London's level with parts of Hudson Bay, and the tip of Scotland is on about the the same latitude as Hoth. At the moment, we're getting a good 9 hours of weedy, overcast sunlight, with sunset at 4 in the afternoon today. Even the pasty white among u
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What really pisses me off is that 'officials' cannot agree as to what the source of the spread is. For example
www foxbusiness com
Golly, Wilbur, maybe listen to the doctors and wear a fucking mask, instead of listening to random "officials."
The Catholic Church has nothing to do with medicine. Or government.
Re: Math continues to work, and water is still wet (Score:3)
Oh please, don't quote tabloid rags like the Sun and claim this is what the UK believes. The article mentions PHE (this doesn't cover the UK anyway), and England is under lockdown for all of November, the period the article mentions. Most people have probably been to the supermarket in the previous week, so correlating that with a COVID-19 diagnosis doesnâ(TM)t make a causation. Why would you think it does?
What they do actually believe in the UK is that meeting people indoors is one of the main spre
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the UK is claiming SUPERMARKETS are the real super spreaders
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1... [the-sun.com]
Well, it's the thrash newspaper The Sun, not the UK, that's suggesting this, based on a misinterpretation of contact-tracing statistics. The table in that article is a list of activities mentioned by Covid-19 patients as an answer to the question: where have you been recently been. To translate that into Covid-19 infection risk, you need to compare it with the answers given by people who didn't get infected. If you ask a random person where they have been during a five-day window, I'd be surprised if "supe
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We already know the best solution. Arrest everyone. (China.)
I originally feared that only authoritarian countries like China could eliminate the virus, but that proved wrong.
Short-term partial lockdowns combined with vigorous testing and contact tracing have been successful in Australia, NZ, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, Iceland. People are ordered into home isolation if exposed, but no mass-arrests.
So it can be done. It turns out that even in a modern democracy, people are willing to accept border closures, travel restrictions and curfews whe
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I knew I should have been more precise than "good". I definitely don't like the idea, but it was effective. I actually see the extreme response as evidence that the Chinese are prepared for a bioweapon from one of their neighbors.
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Not sure where Africa fits in.
Africa very much took approach number 2 in many of its countries. There are a few standouts trying to be American though.
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I mean, the best solution seems to be New Zealand's "What if everyone just stays home for a month, we test and act like adults". And, it worked. It could work in the US.
If you really wanted to go free market, you don't ask the insurance companies to use their expertise in damage claims. You have to account for people spreading it to other people, and treat people exhaling COVID as polluters.
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Are you NUTS! Did you not read the news?
(Acting like a two year old is a thing for almost 50% of the US population).
Incompetent leadership is a political problem (Score:2)
Worst anti-solution. Pretend Covid-19 is a political problem. (America is #1.)
If you have incompetent leaders then Covid-19 _IS_ a political problem: how can you work around/replace those leaders so we can start to address it. The US may be leading but the UK lead by Trump-lite is not doing much better and up in Canada, Alberta is in much the same situation. Although here the situation is more complicated because we have a strong provincial leader who is clueless about science and refuses to listen to the experts and we have a pathetic, albeit relatively intelligent, prime minister
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We already know the best solution. Arrest everyone. (China.)
Second best solution. Test like crazy. (South Korea and a few other success stories.)
Third best solution. Masks. (Japan and others.)
China actually had less of a lockdown than most other countries did. SK and Japan both had lockdowns as well.
I wonder if this lack of knowledge and the misinformation about China has made things worse in the US. Maybe because people think China "arrested everyone" they resisted the only thing that could have helped America: a proper lockdown.
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"ignoring civil libertarian screeching about human rights nor loonies screeching about authoritarian left"
So much harder to do in the US where that very attitude is baked into the national ethos. I just think it's culturally impossible to get enough people willing to listen to instruction. All it takes is 20% of the population to be non-compliant and lockdown strategies will fail. Not hard to imagine 20% of the US population saying "no way, freedom!" and doing pretty much whatever they want. In a way it's t
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At present, yes.
Quite remarkably, deaths in the US overall have followed a linear trend in the past month or two while infections have been on more of a quadratic rise. So it looks like the case fatality *rate* must be dropping. But there are discontinuities ahead as active cases outstrip resources like hospital beds in certain localities. You can see that in places like South Dakota now -- the case fatality rate is rising, which at this stage of the game it shouldn't be.
We're so close, but if we allow
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> but country-wide: we've got to flatten the curve.
"Flatten the curve" was to slow the hospitalization rate so there wasn't a run on hospital beds and supplies that were in short supply.
Is there a new definition? Or do you see hospitals being overwhelmed?
Yes, the hospitals are getting overwhelmed. (Score:2)
At least where I live. There's no hospital space. People who work in hospitals have been telling their friends "we're sticking people in rooms we never knew existed...."
It's scary. If I need to be hospitalized for any reason, COVID, car accident, or other, I'm toast. Dying from all causes is going to shoot up, because medical intervention just won't be there.
--PM
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At present, yes.
Quite remarkably, deaths in the US overall have followed a linear trend in the past month or two while infections have been on more of a quadratic rise. So it looks like the case fatality *rate* must be dropping. But there are discontinuities ahead as active cases outstrip resources like hospital beds in certain localities. You can see that in places like South Dakota now -- the case fatality rate is rising, which at this stage of the game it shouldn't be.
The case fatality rate did drop but that was mostly up to the early summer. There are two things that are really are causing the lowered fatality rate you are seeing. The first wave of cases hit the elderly population very much, especially the elderly ethnically diverse population in New York. After that, in the summer everything changed and the transmission was almost all through young people travelling and partying. Now, that's changing back again and the disease is starting to reach older rural popula
Re:In other words (Score:5, Interesting)
You are making the common mistake of "anti vaxers" (not implying you are one) and other people who are simply bad in understanding dynamic systems.
Today you see:
- the infection rate from yesterday
- the infections of the last week etc.
- the hospitalization of people who got infected 5 to 20 days before - not yesterday, not last week
- the death rate of people who got infected 14 to 30 days before - not today, last week or the week before
Current deaths, current hospitalizations, have nothing to do with current infection rates. You will see the death rate of current infection: when those people die - and that i not now or today.
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The other part of the lag in death figures is reporting lag -- it takes a while for death certificates to be filed, numbers to be collated at the county and then state level, and finally passed up to the CDC and other organisations tracking such things. In practice that can be anywhere from several days, to a couple of weeks and varies state to state. All up that probably adds another week of so to the lag, but with pretty high variance.
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Quite remarkably, deaths in the US overall have followed a linear trend in the past month or two while infections have been on more of a quadratic rise. So it looks like the case fatality *rate* must be dropping.
I've talked to doctors about this, and they have affirmed that yes, they are getting a lot better at treating COVID, so fewer patients are dying.
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Well, sort of.
I spoke to a senior ICU specialist about dexamethasone back when that news first came out. I was excited about a further big drop in mortality rate as a result, but he settled me right down by saying every ICU had started trying steroids such as dexamethasone from pretty early on, especially when they heard the words cytokine storm. So the net new drop from the study was going to be quite small. Protocol tweaks eg to proning, how dry to run pts, when to ventilate, etc have indeed made a differ
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I don't think that's right
https://erj.ersjournals.com/co... [ersjournals.com]
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Dr. Evil: "1 Million New Coronavirus Cases!"
Number Two: Don't you think we should ask for *more* than a million New Coronavirus Cases? A million dollars isn't exactly a lot of New Coronavirus Cases these days. China alone has over 9 billion New Coronavirus Cases a year!"
Dr. Evil: " One... Hundred... BILLION ! New Coronavirus Cases!"
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You could ignore 9/11, you can't ignore Covid-19.
Take travel restrictions for instance. After 9/11 you had a few flights cancelled, and it made boarding less convenient. With Covid-19, you essentially can't travel anymore. I don't think I know anyone who isn't personally affected by the pandemic in some way or another. Just after 9/11, it was business as usual for most people.
The pandemic caused a variety of reactions, not all of them reasonable, but "not batting an eye" is probably the least common of all.
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Workaround .. yeah, fly to the UK, spend 2 weeks in isolation and than travel the continent at will (or as much as local restrictions allow).
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And President still hasn't changed after experiencing the virus! :(
Re:In other words (Score:5, Informative)
Funny I live in big Democrat area with big democat city, everyone wearing masks but new cases spiking to the moon (cook county & chicago illinois). Yet CNN blathers how Republican areas that don't wear masks are having huge infections... yeah so are mask wearing Democrat areas. Fake news hacks, indeed.
Thank you for proving my point. I made no mention of any particular area in the country, only that we were experiencing several times more deaths in the past week than happened on 9/11 and millions don't care. Such as yourself.
However, since you brought politics into the mix, North and South Dakota have ranked among the highest infection rates in the world [argusleader.com], per capita. You know, the statistic people like to banter about when they try to change the subject from the soaring death toll.
In addition, when taken as a group, Iowa, Wyoming, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota have been the worst hit region in the world, per capita. I wonder, what do the majority of these states have in common?
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In addition, when taken as a group, Iowa, Wyoming, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota have been the worst hit region in the world, per capita. I wonder, what do the majority of these states have in common?
The total reversal of the partisan divide in COVID-19 since the summer [dangoodspeed.com] is astounding an a gripping view of the importance of having good leadership willing to stand up and support masks and social distancing.
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To me the reversal is less about the politics of different states than climate. Right now it's worst in places where winter means being stuck inside.
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That is not a new revelation. It was long predicted that a big wave would hit as it got colder.
Many of those leaders did not prepare by increasing mask mandates and reducing social gatherings. The result speaks for itself.
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In addition, when taken as a group, Iowa, Wyoming, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota have been the worst hit region in the world, per capita. I wonder, what do the majority of these states have in common?
Well, I'm assuming you are talking politics - except Wisconsin and Minnesota went blue; Iowa and Wyoming went red; and Nebraska was a 60/40 split. So, not really sure why you are lumping them together.
Even if you say that Nebraska went red, I have no idea why you are lumping a 2-3 split together.
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I wouldn't call Wisconsin blue merely because they voted for Biden. Who controls the courts and legislature there? Not democrats.
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In addition, when taken as a group, Iowa, Wyoming, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota have been the worst hit region in the world, per capita. I wonder, what do the majority of these states have in common?
Corn. Maybe the virus just loves corn? Maybe they were really killed by the children? Of the corn?
Re:In other words (Score:4, Insightful)
This always ends up an apples-vs-oranges capacity. Kansas ended up doing almost an inadvertent experiment, where a statewide mask mandate allowed county-wide opt-outs. This allows much more of valid comparison between mask and no mask than comparing Chicago to anywhere else.
Researchers at the University of Kansas say that mask mandate counties have been much more successful at stemming the spread of COVID.
This won't necessarily hold indefinitely. All it takes is a small amount of non-compliance when conditions become more conducive to spread to restart transmission. But the finish line is in sight here; we don't have to be successful indefinitely, we have to get as many people over the finish line alive as possible.
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Masks aren't perfect either, they just help so social distancing isn't quite as important (4 ft instead of 6 ft kind of thing). People put on a mask and think they're invincible, well they're likely for a rude shock.
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People put on a mask and think they're invincible
I've yet to find someone who thinks that. The only time I've ever heard or seen that has been in anti-mask arguments. What I have experienced and witnessed is the people not wearing masks are also the same people who aren't practicing social distancing properly, aren't using hand sanitizer, and are constantly touching their face.
National Guard called in due to bodies piling up (Score:4, Insightful)
A team of 36 National Guard troops has been deployed to "provide mortuary affairs support," [cnn.com] according to the Texas Division of Emergency Management (TDEM).
Last month, funeral homes in the county prepared refrigerated units to house bodies in case they became overloaded. The county also requested four additional mobile morgues last week, which would bring the total of mobile morgues to 10.
But yeah, no big deal that over a quarter million people are dead, so far, because the con artist has refused to do anything except enrich his friends and family at the taxpayer expense.
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Unless you wish to see the same as in Equador, where poor people carry their dead to the closest road crossing and ignite them. All because hospitals have no space and no-one is there to pick them up. You would expect more from a country as the U.S., but I assume that is what you end up with when way too much U.S. citizens elected a banana-republic president into office.
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Country Level Lancet Study - Findings (Score:2)
https://www.thelancet.com/jour... [thelancet.com]
"Rapid border closures, full lockdowns, and wide-spread testing were not associated with COVID-19 mortality per million people"
Re:Country Level Lancet Study - Findings (Score:4, Insightful)
I quote from the abstract of that study: "Data was collected from the top 50 countries ranked by number of cases."
Wait, what? "We're going to purposefully remove all the countries where *they've had success in suppressing case numbers* from our study".
Brilliant.
US Congress needs to set an example. (Score:2)
If it is so important to stay at home to contain the spread of COVID-19 then why is Congress in session?
If Congress believes it so vital for people to stay at home then they need to pass a law to pay people to stay at home, then they need to stay at home as well.
If any of these elected officials want to argue that they need to go to work because their job is "essential" then that just opens the door for anyone else to argue that what they do is "essential".
I'll stay home once all the elected members of Cong
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If it is so important to stay at home to contain the spread of COVID-19 then why is Congress in session?
Nobody cares enough about them to have told them and they're too busy organising backhanders to watch the news.
Re:Oh noes a virus spreads! (Score:4, Informative)
You only have to worry if you are considered of terminal age or have per-existing conditions that would put you in danger.
Surprise! I had it and survived.
Bullshit. Many healthy young people are finding long lasting after affects and some damage is expected to last a lifetime. The concern of imminent death is mainly for those that have risk factors, but the consequences are potentially for anyone.
Re:Oh noes a virus spreads! (Score:4, Informative)
moreover, the CDC says that 40% of Americans have a preexisting condition.
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Where is the evidence for that (oh, forgot about your recent election).
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hopefully this drug will cut this down considerably
https://nypost.com/2020/11/15/... [nypost.com]
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And that's what Trumpers like - soothing words that sound good. The rest of the country would prefer some sort of planning, and response to the virus.
Let's be honest, most of the country wouldn't recognize a proper response to the virus if it hit them in the face. This is irrespective of party.
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If you're hyping the figures solely because you're doing more tests, you'd expect the percentage of tests that are positive to go down as you test more and more people who aren't likely to have it. Guess what? The percentage of positive tests aren't going down.
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Testing is taking days to weeks right now to get results .. unfortunately the window of time where quick access to testing has passed, its to widespread to control through testing and contact tracing.
That is unless we somehow deploy this late in the game an on-demand, instant response and cheap testing option.
Something where you are testing employees/students/family members each and every day.
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"How many of these deaths are from the flu but, being counted as COVID?"
Almost none, because there's a test that is specific to COVID that rules out flu.
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You sure about that?
Yes, we're sure about that since the excess deaths, the number of deaths more than a normal season including the flu are more like 300,000, so in fact more people have been dying of COVID-19 than the official numbers, not less.
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Bat Boy has a reduced immune system, you heartless monster!
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I met an American once and learnt he committed suicide a few days later. Therefore by extrapolation there is no such thing as an American because they all killed themselves.
See how dumb that sounds? That what you just did saying everyone is dying from COVID-19. Finding one case which is extreme and applying it to the entire population is utterly stupid, and your couple of cases do not even remotely form a trend in 250000+ deaths, have absolutely nothing to do with the flu which killed a whole 11000 people
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The mental health crisis caused by this panic is far worse than the virus itself.
So, according to you, the mental health crisis since the beginning of the pandemic has caused significantly more than 250 000 deaths ?
And to use your logic, even if it were true, how many of those deaths would have happened anyway ? People do commit suicide and murder even in times of no pandemic, you know.
I really don't get some people. Do they actually like to show the entire Internet what fucking clueless morons they are ?
We already know the lockdowns cause less death (Score:5, Informative)
TL;DR; there are deaths from lock down stress but they're balanced from reduced stress because work and school are stressful too.
Also the dirty little secret of lockdown deaths is they're mostly due to economic stress, which we could easily alleviate by paying people to stay home.
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Thanks for linking to the ars article. That was an interesting read. Solid news for nerds (data nerds)
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Also the dirty little secret of lockdown deaths is they're mostly due to economic stress, which we could easily alleviate by paying people to stay home.
We can't just pay people to stay at home.
People need to eat, so we need to keep grocery stores open, delivery trucks have to make food deliveries, and so on. People need heat and light, meaning that people still need to go to work at power plants, repair power lines, deliver fuel, drill for oil, install solar panels, and so on. People will need medical care, meaning ambulances need to run, medical care providers need to go to hospitals and clinics, and so on. These people need to be able to drive to work
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flu season. How many of these deaths are from the flu but, being counted as COVID?
Seriously? How stupid are you?
Yes, cases are rising but the percentage of people dying compared to before is lower overall.
Wow, you can look into the future and you know how many of the people who got infected today will die in 2 or 3 or 4 weeks? I guess your stocks are soaring!
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It's never gonna go away. It's never gonna stop infecting so there is no point is scaring the shit out of people and canceling life.
If this was twenty or perhaps even ten years ago I might have agreed but we have the technology to rapidly develop vaccines now and, as promised at the start it has bearly been 12 months and we have two strong candidates for vaccines in hand. So all we need to do is stop the spread for long enough to finalize these vaccines and then produce enough of them to vaccinate everyone.
However, even if you were to go for the natural immunity route (which would be stupid now that we have a vaccine almost there) y
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That would work in most countries, but in the USA you will need to vaccinate against fake vaccination news first. Good luck with that!
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North America and South America are continents. Together they are "the Americas". America is a country in North America.
Are you also confused by NYC and NY State sharing a name, and being similar to York in England?
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Keep crying about it, I'm sure if you blame America long enough you'll magically understand what a type word is.
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Or are we still assuming that the US is the center of the universe?
Well, clearly you assume so if you spell centre like that.
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Wow, natural immunity that lasts... maybe 6 months. Reinfections have already started occurring. That's a great plan. I'm just gonna keep wearing a mask until there is a vaccine. But if you want to stupidly risk your life, please do it in the Dakotas so you don't get sick and then breath around people who want to contain it in their population.
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25 reinfections out of 250 million cases?
The half-life of antibodies is about 6 months. So you will still have 25% of antibodies after a year. However, T-cell immunity likely lasts more than 5 years or more (full data not available yet) - so if you get a re-infection, it will typically be very mild indeed, and only last about 4 days (till the T-cells build new antibodies). What we don't know is: during the 4 day pe
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Sorry, but you can enqueue your self in the row of idiots.
The USA have about 330M inhabitants, and 12.5M had/have corona.
That is not even 4$ of the population.
Seriously? And it is not even clear if the former infected are really immune or not.
The ONLY statistic that matters is the death rate, which is not skyrocketing at nearly the same rate.
The death rate is unchanged, until the "weak" are all dead. Sorry, you fail to grasp basic concepts of a disease or dynamic process.
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Fun fact, people who get COVID a second time are more likely to die than the first time they get it. In other words, earlier infection is a comorbidity.
The absolute numbers will definately come down, because the population of people who go around unmasked will shrink, but it will take years of hyperbolically approaching zero.
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The "unmasked" people are not he one who get it and die.
They are the ones who spread it. That is why I find people who not wear a mask so arsine.
Unless you have a special mask, a typical mask will not protect you from getting it. But if you have it, it will reduce your "spreading radius" greatly.
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It's not so much "people have given up masks" as "people in small communities who ridiculed masks now have COVID cases and it's ripping them apart." To my knowledge, the per capita cases in rural areas are skyrocketing, and in cities less so.
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This is obviously very localized, but mask fatigue is very much a thing.
In the spring and early summer, most of the nation was shut down -- same as the rest of the planet.
Now in many areas, you can get along pretty well as you did before. The bars and restaurants might not be open until late, but movie theaters are open, dine-in restaurants are available, shopping malls/shopping .. all the rest.
The mask usage might be higher, but as long as there's a significant minority that either flout the rules, or wea
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And that was without masks or social distancing. If you're still saying it's the same as the flu at this point, you're just a fucking idiot and there's no point in trying to convince you.
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Don't know where you got your figures from, but the WHO Coronavirus Disease Dashboard at https://covid19.who.int/ [who.int] says that there have been 57,274,018 confirmed cases and 1,368,000 deaths. That gives a death rate of about 2.39%, so it's much larger than flu's 0.1%. Worldometer at https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info] gives similar figures.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/quot... [yahoo.com]
Production costs also went up. Increased sales doesn't make the stock go up the way increased profits would. ;)