America's Covid-19 Hospitalizations Hit a Record High For the 7th Straight Day (cnn.com) 236
CNN reports:
U.S. Covid-19 hospitalizations hit a record high for the seventh day in a row Saturday with 108,487 patients in hospitals around the country, according to the Covid Tracking Project.
And the number of Covid-19 cases reported in the United States reached more than 16 million after the country added 1 million cases in just four days, according to Johns Hopkins University data.
It took the nation more than eight months to reach 8 million cases but less than two months to double that, as the number of new cases continues to soar... On Friday, as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration authorized the Pfizer vaccine for emergency use, the U.S. recorded more than 3,300 Covid-19 deaths — the most ever in one day, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. More than 231,700 new cases were reported, another pandemic high... The average of daily cases over the last week was 210,764, another pandemic high, according to a CNN analysis of Johns Hopkins data.
Another statistic from CNN: There have been more than 100,000 Covid-19 patients in America's hospitals every day since December 2.
And the number of Covid-19 cases reported in the United States reached more than 16 million after the country added 1 million cases in just four days, according to Johns Hopkins University data.
It took the nation more than eight months to reach 8 million cases but less than two months to double that, as the number of new cases continues to soar... On Friday, as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration authorized the Pfizer vaccine for emergency use, the U.S. recorded more than 3,300 Covid-19 deaths — the most ever in one day, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. More than 231,700 new cases were reported, another pandemic high... The average of daily cases over the last week was 210,764, another pandemic high, according to a CNN analysis of Johns Hopkins data.
Another statistic from CNN: There have been more than 100,000 Covid-19 patients in America's hospitals every day since December 2.
Us Deaths ... (Score:5, Informative)
US Deaths, WWI: 116,516
US Deaths, Vietnam: 58,209
US Deaths, Korea: 36,574
US Deaths, 9/11: 2,977
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Spanish Flu: 675,000 (estimated)
WW2: 418,500
Keep in mind that the population has grown quite a bit since those events as well. Since 1918, the population has tripled; even since 2000, it has gone up by a sixth.
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Spanish Flu: 675,000 (estimated)
WW2: 418,500
Keep in mind that the population has grown quite a bit since those events as well. Since 1918, the population has tripled; even since 2000, it has gone up by a sixth.
The Spanish flu numbers cover a period of over 2 years, so give us time, it is likely we will pass it.
The WW2 numbers cover a period of 4 years so not only will we likely pass it absolutely, possibly as soon as April 2021, we're already well past it in terms of deaths per year.
I'll grant what you're saying about population increases but at the same time medical knowledge has also advanced by light years, i.e., if Corona was the plague in question in 1918, the death numbers would likely be way higher than they are now.
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In 1918, there was far far less global travel.
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Depends what you call global travel.
The war is called a "world war" for a reason. There was basically not a single spot on the planet that was not affected by the war.
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And the travelers (soldiers) were crammed into close quarters in camps, troop transports, and trenches.
In WW1 there was at least a rudimentary understanding of infectious disease and sanitation, so it might well be the first war where more soldiers died from wounds than disease. Before the understanding of germ theory prompted advances in food sanitation and nursing, it was common for disease to kill many times more soldiers than wounds. Even in the second Boer war, slightly more than half of British deat
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Of cou
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Of course strictly speaking it's impossible to say for sure, but my point (just to give one example) was in 1918 there were no ventilators and so the many thousands of people that survived this year because they were put on ventilators would have surely died in 1918.
And my larger point was more subtle which is that it makes no sense to point to things 100 years ago and try to act like well that was worse than this thing we're dealing with now therefore the response to the current situation is overblown. "H
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Also, it's peculiar that people say "not worse than the 1918 flu" as if that meant "not really all *that* bad". The 1918 flu pandemic was catastrophic. The only reason it doesn't loom greater in our historical consciousness is that it occurred in conjunction with a world war, and governments did everything they could to censor information about how bad things were going.
"Not as bad as the Spanish flu" is like saying "not as bad as a poke in the eye with a sharp stick." Unless you're being ironic, it's borderline insane.
And after this is over, after vaccination has stopped the COVID-19 pandemic, we shouldn't forget that strains of the flu subtype that caused the 1918 pandemic (H1N1) are still out there. Epidemiologists and public health planners are constantly worried about a severe H1N1 emerging, because it's only a matter of time. It's like the certainty that a civilization threatening asteroid is eventually going to hit the Earth, except that the probability of it happening in any given year is many orders of magnitude higher.
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if Corona was the plague in question in 1918, the death numbers would likely be way higher than they are now.
Or not... covid-19 co-morbidities like obesity and old age are much more prevalent now.
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I'll grant what you're saying about population increases but at the same time medical knowledge has also advanced by light years, i.e., if Corona was the plague in question in 1918, the death numbers would likely be way higher than they are now.
This is quite right. Some of you may not fully understand how relatively primitive medicine was prior to World War 2. It's actually kind of shocking.
Rudolph Valentino - died from an infection after surgery for ulcers and appendicitis in 1926. There was no way at all to treat infections at the time except to drain them when possible and hope for the best.
Harry Houdini - basically died from an infection caused by appendicitis which may or may not have been caused or made worse by blows he receive
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If we're going to get technical over the details, it's also helpful to point out that we have FAR better medicine and medical equipment today than we did last century, and our living conditions are far cleaner, with sophisticated waste management and easy access to cheap, reliable sanitation products.
And yet, we're hooking people up to ridiculously complex and expensive breathing machines and they're still dying. If they survive, we don't know what the long-term effects are.
The reality of how serious this
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Do you have some facts that dispute the death count? What incentive do hospitals have to claim a death from covid when they were hit by car?
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...I'll grant what you're saying about population increases but at the same time medical knowledge has also advanced by light years...
By "light years", do you mean the ability for Corruption to fucking warp statistics in favor of Greed that promotes hospitals to claim every death they possibly can as a COVID death?
I keep hearing this lie repeated. It's time to stomp it into the ground. There are strict laws that govern what counts as a COVID death. In fact, if anyone did what you're claiming that they are doing, they would be guilty of a felony. For EACH fraudulent cause of death on a filed death certificate.
This is NOT happening. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying. Not distorting the truth. Not spinning. Lying out their a**es.
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Spanish Flu: 675,000 (estimated) WW2: 418,500
Keep in mind that the population has grown quite a bit since those events as well. Since 1918, the population has tripled; even since 2000, it has gone up by a sixth.
No amount of mental gymnastics people employ to try and compare this pandemic to garden variety flu [forbes.com] can camouflage the fact that a death toll of 305,082 is grotesque because it was entirely avoidable by such simple measures as hand washing, mask wearing, lockdowns and social distancing. At the current rate of one 9/11 per day the US will top WWII casualties by the middle of next month.
What was the number of ventilators back then? (Score:2)
It's not about the percentage of the population dead or mere raw numbers, when compared to past wars or pandemics.
After all, there was literally a whole century of scientific, medical and technological development since the Spanish Flu pandemic.
The American COVID tragedy is that DESPITE a century of progress all those deaths, comparable to global wars or pandemics from literally a century ago, still happened and keep happening - though they were completely preventable.
USA has climbed to the top of the deat
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You claim that the US has the highest number of deaths "not because of the size of its population"? Yet it is 12th in per capita deaths, so population is what puts us in the lead for total deaths.
You suggest that "all those deaths" "were completely preventable"? Certainly not by anything the US could have done.
And you trust China's reported numbers of COVID deaths? They have acknowledged more than 6000 new cases in the last seven months, but only two deaths, giving an amazing 0.03% fatality rate -- the r
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US Deaths, Smoking: 19,200,000 (480,000 per year every year) US Deaths, Heart Disease: twice that etc etc etc
Also, 300,000+ have not died OF COVID, they have died WITH COVID. Big difference.
The media is just trying to scare you 24x7. Time to grow up, kids. You aren't going to die of COVID.
Oh, Joy, another Ayn Rand fan ... Just because some people make the conscious choice to kill themselves by smoking and eating garbage food that does not mean we should allow a pandemic to run riot. The vast majority of these by 305.082 deaths were entirely avoidable if people hadn't turned refusing to wash their hands, socially distance, wear masks and forgo large gatherings into a statement of political identity. Here's some more statistics for you:
Japan, population, 126.5 million, Covid cases 174.299,
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CNN? (Score:2, Interesting)
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Would some links from Newsmax help validate your beliefs?
Who knew? (Score:2)
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The president said it was a hoax from the democrats and it would go away by election day. The president is most likely out golfing. https://trumpgolfcount.com/dis... [trumpgolfcount.com]
So proud (Score:2)
It took a lot of work, but America is showing the way to the rest of the world. 3,000 dead every day for the next two to three months, over 100,000 hospitalized, and growing, over 300,000 dead and well over 200,000 new cases reported each day.
No other country in the world can lay claim to those figures. We are so far ahead of the pack, they can't see us. We are, to use the phrase, number one.
If we can keep up this pace, we can truly show the rest of the world what winning looks like.
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So, I ask again: Doesn't this prediction assume no vaccine?
According to Robert Redfield, head of the CDC, the vaccines will not have a material impact for at least the next 60 days [thehill.com].
While there is hope down the line from a coming vaccine, the first of which, from Pfizer, is likely to be authorized within days, vaccines will not be widely available for months, likely sometime in the spring. That means there is still a brutal stretch ahead.
“The reality is the vaccine approval this week's not going to really impact that I think to any degree for the next 60 days,” Redfield said of the virus’s toll.
So yes, this does assume no vaccines, but until the second dose is administered to a far larger population, the deaths will continue to mount so long as people don't wear masks and continue to congregate in large numbers.
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No, because 40 million vaccines is actually 20 million doses (you need two doses per vaccine), which is somewhat less than 10% of the total US population.
Further, deaths lag behind cases, so what we're seeing now is the result of Thanksgiving travel. These people are already doomed. And we'll see it again come Christmas.
Good news everyone! (Score:2)
With the rush to get college students back in class, deaths in college towns have soared [nytimes.com].
In late August and early September, as college students returned to campus and some institutions put into place rigorous testing programs, the number of reported infections surged. Yet because serious illness and death are rare among young coronavirus patients, it was unclear at the time whether the growth of infections on campus would translate into a major health crisis.
But since the end of August, deaths from the coronavirus have doubled in counties with a large college population, compared with a 58 percent increase in the rest of the nation. Few of the victims were college students, but rather older people and others living and working in the community.
In other words, college students are like the fleas which spread the black plague throughout Europe. And all because some people wanted to get back to normal as fast as possible, disregarding even the most basic health measures to prevent the spread of covid-19.
My kid's a nurse (Score:2)
We're a few weeks away from Death Panels (e.g. rationed care and turning people away from hospitals). And still we can't get lock downs. Meanwhile Mitch McConnell & the GOP are blocking stimulus aid n
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In California we returned to lockdowns (at least, depending on what you mean by lockdown).
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Henceforth we should all refer to covid-19 as the Trump Virus. He wants to be remembered for something right?
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The real Trump virus is the deployment of casual, blatant and shameless lying into the mainstream of US politics. Kinda what Reagan did with evangelical fundamentalism, but worse.
Mark my word (Score:2)
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Sadly, I can't disagree with you.
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Clinton lying about a blowjob didn't exactly kill hundreds of thousands, you know.
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Also Clinton lying about a getting oral sex outside the marriage was completely normal behavior that any person getting oral sex outside a marriage would lie about.
Basically, they found a way to criminalize normal behavior.
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Iraq was 100% Shrub.
Re: Thanks, Obama! (Score:2)
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A lot of the difference between state deaths per capita can be attributed to the early days of covid-19 hitting places like NY early, when we didn't have good treatment. If you looked at deaths per capita over the last 3 months, I suspect you'd see a vastly different picture, since it has an "equal opportunity" in all states now.
For example, if you look at Reuter's data the top 20 states ranked by deaths-per-capita for the past week [imgur.com], you'll see the Dakotas doing much worse than any other state.
Reuters Sou [reuters.com]
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Other that using every tool at his disposal to prevent and discourage states from doing exactly what you said he couldn't do. He did as much as he could to ensure states couldn't either.
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OTOH, Trump does have the ability to pressure Governors and he has the ability to set a national example. He chose to urge Governors to lighten up on the COVID response, he forced federal agencies to downplay COVID in the information used by governors to judge their responses, and he chose to set a national example of refusing masks and holding large gartherings for his supporters.
Not to mention allowing (or ordering) his Sec. of Education to threaten state education funding if they didn't toe the line and
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High population density means lots of people using elevators, which I can't help but think have to be serious pints of contagion.
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That's a big stretch. There is nothing indirect about threatening funding if the schools aren't opened for in-person instruction. There is nothing indirect about telling people flat out that there is no danger and they shouldn't wear protective gear.
Otherwise, nobody is responsible for anything. "Yes, I aimed the gun and pulled the trigger but the bullet is what killed him!".
Re: Thanks, Obama! (Score:2)
Yes, and those cities have more foreign travel : so virus came early to these states. Early, when protocol around treatment wasn't as well established, deaths per 100 cases was much higher.
Re:Thanks, Obama! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: Thanks, Obama! (Score:2)
All of the lies and obstruction were around the Lewinsky matter.
Re:Thanks, Obama! (Score:5, Insightful)
If you can't see and admit by now that Republicans are evil, unpatriotic, corrupt liars, you're either a fucking moron or one of said evil, unpatriotic liars.
Regardless, thanks for putting your affiliation on record. It helps us understand how to value what you have to say.
Re:Thanks, Obama! (Score:4, Insightful)
* You're right about these things.
* The WHO [who.int], CDC [cdc.gov] and other medical bodies [google.com] state the virus is transmitted in spittle, mucus and water droplets. Masks stop the transmission vehicles. Ipso facto, masks stop transmission of the virus. So, so very simple.
* HOWEVER: Trump's incredibly bizarre opposition to masks has led to vast numbers of avoidable deaths.
* Advocating masks would have been good for the economy and saved lives. Yet the incomprehensible opposition to masks - dramatically ripping off the mask in front of the White House after POTUS got the experimental Regeneron treatment... what?
Incomprehensible.
Re:Thanks, Obama! (Score:4, Informative)
Sigh, an example of not looking at the full picture.
Initially it was the WHO that was saying that masks could be used in conjunction with other measures to reduce infection but that they were not recommending N95 masks as at that time. Mostly because they were the only ones shown through known testing to be effective and there was huge concerns that the potential of the population hoarding them could cause shortages for medical workers and that masks could cause a false sense of security (resulting in prolonged exposure) so they were pushing the "self-isolation" which Fuaci and every other medical expert were deferring to.
Since then it has been found that multi-layer masks can be quite effective in reducing infected people (mostly the assymptomatic carriers) from transmitting to others which is why the stance has changed.
Because of the fast release of the vaccines,there is also no confirming evidence (yet) that the vaccine will stop you from still getting sick and being able to transmit to others. The only thing definitively they have found is that the vaccine should dramatically reduce the number of hospitiliztions as anyone who did get Covid after being vaccinated did not require it.
Basically between that and how long it may take to get the vaccine out to majority of the population to get to herd immunity, the guard should not be dropped.
Ultimately yeah Trump should have been pushing the states (who ultimately are responsible) for more risk mitigation but Trumps blathering on that this was a democrat hoax had a huge impact.
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I don't think that is accurate. Below is a list of countries by 1) National IQ [forbes.com] and 2) Covid Fatality Rate per 100K population (3rd table) [jhu.edu]. Data obtained from separate sources, years apart. The top IQ countries have robust mask poli
Re:Thanks, Obama! (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't have the misery of knowing you, so I can't have possibly accused you of anything for, like, any number of years. But thanks for making my point for me.
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The Orange Death.
He whose name need not be mentioned (Score:2)
Is the propagation of the Subject supposed to be funny? Or are you just thoughtlessly feeding a relatively cunning, perhaps even clever, AC troll? And for that Slashdot 2020 rewards you AND the AC with Insightful moderation?
Then you have to go ahead and mention "He whose name need not be mentioned", though in this sad context he really does deserve to be mentioned--and blamed. Unfortunately, that's not going to help anything here and now. Yes, his anti-American and authoritarian leadership style (supported
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I think you insulted all Canadians implying their live style would be similar to "americans".
And no, Canadian cities do not have half the population density of US cities. How would that be possible? They are smaller - on average - thats it. Per square km or square mile, it is the same.
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As a Canadian: what the hell are you talking about? As per Wikipedia New York City has a population of over 8 million spread over 1200km2 while the GTA (our largest population centre) has just under 6.5 million people spread over 7000km2. The population density of Canada is lower both on average and at peak than the United States.
As for culture it is undeniable that we share many bonds. If you ask urban people our rural areas import all the worst parts of the State and if you ask the rural people they'll sa
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You make an argument for "US only did a bit worse than Canada" above. Why do you think that's the appropriate baseline to compare with? Shouldn't there be a comparison vs minimal deaths projection if the pandemic were competently handled from the beginning?
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Well I don't think there's been any doubt that Trudeau has handled it as about well as any politician could, calmly telling people to stay home if they can, avoid crowds, etc. Basically, almost a complete reciprocal of what the Trump administration did.
My point is that you can't pinpoint Trump as the major cause. I think it more likely on account of cultural similarity, and the fact that both nations generally do not heavily monitor or restrict the movement of its citizens.
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You forget that almost all of the large Canadian cities are near the border and receive constant traffic from the US.
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Nice try but the border has been closed for many months.
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Here, we can walk into America, hang out and get the nice Park Ranger take our picture hugging an American and walk back into Canada. Peace Arch Park if you want to look it up.
Then there's the Alaska loophole, Americans can claim to be traveling to Alaska and play tourist, though we've been catching them.
Then there's air travel which is pretty well business as usual.
Re:Thanks, Obama! (Score:5, Informative)
Speaking as one who does not live in the USA, I think it's fairly obvious to anyone with a modicum of objectivity that Trump is not responsible for much of the devastation that this virus has had on the USA, despite how many people blame him for it.
I think it is fairly obvious to anyone with a modicum of objectivity that an elected leader telling the public that people should only wear masks if they're scared of the virus, that it's no big deal, that we don't need to lock down, that people should enjoy Thanksgiving with their families in other states, etc. is guaranteed to have made the numbers far worse than they would have been otherwise.
The number of deaths in the USA is roughly 23 times that of Canada, and while this might look very bad for the USA, the USA also has 10 times the population of Canada, which accounts for nearly half of that.
The U.S. has 8.73 times the population, not 10. It has 22.24x as many deaths. So per capita, it has 2.55 times as many deaths. That's a BIG difference.
Further, if you look at the places where the virus spreads the most rapidly, you will notice that it is almost entirely a function of population density, and America's most populated cities are in general roughly twice as densely populated as Canada's most populated ones.
That's certainly true in the earliest days of a pandemic, because it takes longer to get a foothold in low-density areas. Once it does, though, the population density has only a limited effect. Besides, if you ignore the NYC peak (which you really have to ignore, because no restrictions were in place at all before that happened), you find that other high-density areas are doing much better than rural areas:
Mississippi (63.2 people per square mile) 1404 deaths per 1M
California (253.9 people per square mile): 531 deaths per 1M
That's how you know our country failed miserably in its handling of the pandemic. The most rural states are seeing more spread, and more deaths than the densest states, if you ignore that very first initial surge that nobody was really prepared for.
So all other things being, I believe one could reasonable expect that the USA should initially have about 20 times the number of casualties as Canada in the same time period, as there are about 10 times the people to be infected, and the increased population density in the USA would further cause it to spread twice as fast among that population in a given amount of time.
That's not the way it works. There should be 8.3x as many dead, because there are 8.3x as many people. At least in the U.S., we're way past the point where density matters much except perhaps in terms of exposure intensity, and even that is largely moot, assuming you wear a mask.
Which suggests to me that Trump's administration and his attitude are responsible for less than 2% of the deaths in the USA, not many hundreds of thousands that many suggest. It's human nature to want to find someone or something to blame for unfortunate circumstances, but I cannot find any reason to conclude that him or his administration is actually responsible for the devastation this has had on the USA.
Let's try again.
California: 531 deaths per 1M people.
United States: 920 deaths per 1M people.
United States without any of New York and New Jersey: 767 deaths per 1M people.
So even by the most generous estimates, even if the entire U.S. were as high-density as California (which it isn't), and if you ignore the fact that most of the rural U.S. could easily have controlled the spread and kept it at zero with a national mask law, President Trump and his anti-mask, anti-lockdown policies have caused at least 31% of the deaths in the U.S.
Your estimate is low by more than an entire order of magnitude, and that is an extremely conservative estimate using extremely coarse metrics. Estimates based on more precise data put it closer to two-thirds.
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That is exactly the way it works. Of course the total number of people affected in the long run would be almost exactly reflective of the factor difference in overall population, but the more densely populated areas will still rise far faster than more less densely populated ones, even over the exact same size of population. The more densely populated area will reach a critical threshold of infected people sooner before infection rates start to slow down, but COVID19 really
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I'm not sure how I didn't notice this before, but you are right aboiut my estimate being off by an order of magntude. I had meant to type "less than 20%", not "less than 2%". Yeah, that's a big difference.
Still not the many hundreds of thousands that people claim, however.
Thanks, misinformation! (Score:5, Funny)
What about all the people telling us it was a hoax, or the establishment trying to control us? When will charges be placed against them and their role?
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Who said it was a hoax? But sure, charge any officials who said this coronavirus was a hoax.
Charge them along with the officials who ordered nursing homes to take care of likely-contagious coronavirus patients, especially ones who were not previously residents.
Charge them along with the officials who allowed and even encouraged mass, non-distanced gatherings that coordinated further criminal activity.
Charge them along with the officials who barred contract tracers from asking whether COVID-positive patient
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If you read the whole thing, it's quite clear that the man is one of the pettiest assholes to ever be President. But the dude is an expert at the dog whistle. He never actually said the virus itself was a hoax, but he did constantly imply that acting as if it was *serious* was a hoax (the media is in hysteria mode), which in practical terms achieves the same thing. He didn't deny the existence of tigers - everyone pretty much accepts that tigers are real things, but everything he repeated over nad over impl
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What about all the people telling us it was a hoax, or the establishment trying to control us? When will charges be placed against them and their role?
You would have to lock up 30% of the country or so. So no, the shameless liars and the utterly stupid will get away with it.
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Am I missing the joke? Or is someone abusing the moderation system. Again.
My favored solution approach would call for enhanced karma. People who earned karma from being Funny could have the most weight when giving Funny mod points.
Too bad the code of Slashdot 2020 is almost perfectly fossilized now.
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While the administration is certainly not doing a good job, it's worth keeping in mind that most other western nation are doing just as bad. Germany for example is currently sitting at 7 deaths per million per day, UK at 8, Italy at 11, while the USA is at 9. Meanwhile China has been effectively at 0 for the last 8 months. This is a far bigger issue than just Trump being bad at leadership, almost all the western nation seem to be incapable of implementing measures that actually work or simply following scie
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It is very ironic, that Merkel, who usually prefers to put her head in the sand and wait out until problems go away, was going for the right response to the second wave, only to be told to fuck off by the German equivalent of the state governors who didn't want to lock down again. And now they will have to lock down anyway, for even longer, and with thousands of unnecessary dead, the excellent result of the first wave completely squandered.
Back in November when she angrily told the governors exactly that wa
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who usually prefers to put her head in the sand and wait out until problems go away,
I think you are mixing up Merkel with Kohl.
Merkel was always pretty pro active.
Back in November when she angrily told the governors exactly that was the first time ever I had actually felt respect for her.
Die Gewaltenteilung bei uns ist von den Amis nach amerikanischem Vorbild aufgebaut worden, zum Glück haben sie in so fern versagt, das es bei uns noch einigermaÃYen funktioniert. Aber das die Bundesregierung
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The problem in Germany is that politicians refuse to do the obvious:
* putting schools on half classes, one half - with distance - in the class room, the other half learn at home or via internernet
* or simply completely close the schools, as we did in March/April
* closing kindergardens completely
There is even study after study (in Germany) that falsely claim that kindergardens and schools are not the problem, when all surroudning countrie show with studies: they are the main breeding hort for the virus. And
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Exactly what magic wand is trump supposed to wave? Once the virus is in its in and people are getting tired of the nonstop lockdown. Outside of a godtier president far better than any we've had. Anything down would just swap around the peak dates a bit.
He could have set an example by, eg., wearing a mask. etc.
It's not difficult.
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By all the gods, even Shrub would have acted before May, and he was the previous holder of the title 'Dumbest and Most Evil President Ever'. Now you brutes want us to praise him for finally taking some action five months after the virus was "in". Lorry, no.
Re:Thanks, Obama! (Score:4, Informative)
The death toll is now one 9/11 per day. This administration is downright criminal.
Enough of blaming "administrations", as if any 4-8 year reign would have completely caused this bullshit.
The virus appeared barely a year ago, almost three years into the current administration's term, and the overwhelming majority of the deaths are the direct result of the sitting president actively encouraging people to take unnecessary risks (not wearing masks, not doing lockdowns, etc.) in a foolish attempt to protect the economy over human lives, all the while completely ignoring the existing pandemic playbook and winging it, naïvely believing that they knew better than all the doctors and scientists who collectively put centuries of experience into it.
What, pray tell, do you think any previous administration could have done to head off this administration's failed handling of the pandemic that they did not do, short of ordering the U.S. military to violate posse comitatus and shoot President-Elect Trump before he could take office?
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WV is relevant because areas with strict lockdowns are headed for similar economic conditions in part because of rapidly emptying shopping plazas creating a collapse of jobs and real estate and the ensuing ripple effects. Put differently, this is going to make the Great Recession seem like a cake walk.
That's not what history shows, so if it happens this time, it would be highly unusual. For strong evidence that you're wrong, just look at the 1918 pandemic, and compare areas that did lockdowns to limit the spread against areas that didn't. Areas that locked things down both early and often suffered far less economic damage than areas that let their people enjoy a high degree of "freedom".
In a crisis, it is sometimes necessary to slightly curtail behavior temporarily for the good of everyone, because of the tragedy of the commons. When people exercise their freedom recklessly without care for how it impacts everyone else's freedom, over the medium to long term, everybody ends up getting screwed with their pants on.
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Overall it is about 1% but it depends on several factors of which age seems the most important "Risk of death from COVID-19 doubles for approximately every eight years of ageing." [imperial.ac.uk]. Other studies show differences but in the details.
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Actually, deaths due to NYT, 356,000 was the number of additional deaths in the U.S. during the 2020, I presume the number is to-date. The additional rates above normal were: Diabetes: 15%, Alzheimers and Dementia: 12%, High Blood Pressure: 11%, Pneumonia and Flu: 11%, Coronary Heart Disease: 6%, Stroke: 5%, Sepsis: 4%, Kidney Disease: 1%.
They estimate these additional ones constitute a bit north of 1/4 of the increase in deaths for 2020. Some of the deaths attributed to these could have complications due t
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If a drunk driver kills you, but you would have died of a heart attack next week, should that not be counted as a traffic fatality? You can still die of other causes while being infected with COVID-19, but if COVID-19 kills, it does it relatively quickly (within a few weeks, usually), so the window of opportunity for something else to get you in the meantime is small.
Apples and Oranges comparison. Of course, the car accident killed this particular victim. But neither the car nor the accident are considered comorbidities.
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I think a lot of COVID-19 deaths should be ascribed to stupidity. That seems to be a very widespread comorbidity.
So then, be ascribing them to stupidity we should say the deaths are "WITH" COVID rather than "OF" COVID. Fair enough - good call, dude!
Re:The 9/11 metric is silly and this is why. (Score:5, Insightful)
9/11 killed PRODUCTIVE people in a socially disruptive way in the heart of the US financial sector. COVID kills (with a very few exceptions) the old, unfit and (functionally) useless
So what you're saying is that 9/11 killed people helping corporations to fuck us all over, but Covid is killing people who aren't hurting anyone and are just trying to live out their remaining days? How is that a defense of Covid?
The comparison to 9/11 was chosen by CNN to appeal to its low cognition audience.
Whereas Trump's empty claims like the one about "you won't be hearing about Covid after the election" are chosen by Trump to appeal to an even lower-cognition audience.
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I completely agree, but too many people focus on COVID related deaths, and not enough people focus on the underclass of permanently disabled that COVID creates amongst survivors - people needing permanent oxygen, brain damage etc.
COVID won't go away with the vaccines, its effects are here with us for the next few generations at least.
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Whereas Trump's empty claims like the one about "you won't be hearing about Covid after the election"
I wish he had been right.
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Doctors are to take actions are likely to preserve the "greatest number of human-life years". It might be scary to you but it makes sense if you think about it for a moment - the 30 year old's life is considered mo
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Really sorry about all these people dying making you feel politically uncomfortable, bro.
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Had you bothered to actually read the article you'd know that Trump isn't mentioned.
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The 9/11 metric is silly.
9/11 killed PRODUCTIVE people in a socially disruptive way in the heart of the US financial sector
Of course, Covid has had no impact on the economy has it...
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If you keep humidity that low, you will make a lot of people sick. But I think you misread the article. They actually recommend 50...60% for best anti-viral effect.
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Dig back into the recent history of this COVID outbreak in the USA and you will find different states using different death certificate guidelines to determine "death by COVID" or "death by [blank]". I think even the CDC noticed those variations in the reporting guidelines.
You are correct. A few states, like Florida, failed to report a lot of COVID deaths. They got caught.
There are standards for a reason — so that every pandemic can be compared to other pandemics. States that violate those standards so that their coronavirus death counts will seem lower do irreparable harm to science.