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New UK Strain of Coronavirus More Infectious, Say Government Scientists (reuters.com) 156

Reuters reports: A new strain of coronavirus identified in the United Kingdom is up to 70% more infectious but it is not thought to be more deadly and vaccines should still be effective, Prime Minister Boris Johnson and scientists said on Saturday.... "This is early data and it's subject to review. But it's the best that we have at the moment and we have to act on information as we have it, because this is now spreading very fast.
Prime minister Johnson also announced new and tougher lockdown restrictions for millions of people in the U.K., according to Reuters, which elsewhere reports the following known facts about the new variant: - The new variant is thought to have first occurred in mid-September in London or Kent, in the southeast of England.

- UK analysis suggests it may be up to 70% more transmissible than the old variant, which could increase the reproduction "R" rate by 0.4...

- The new variant contains 23 different changes, many of them associated with alterations in a protein made by the virus. Patrick Vallance, the UKâ(TM)s chief scientific adviser, said this was an unusually large number of changes...

- In London, 62% of cases were due to the new variant in the week of Dec. 9. That compared to 28% three weeks earlier. In London, the overall infection rate doubled in the last week.

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New UK Strain of Coronavirus More Infectious, Say Government Scientists

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  • I knew it (Score:1, Offtopic)

    by ChatHuant ( 801522 )

    I swear, this year is just like G.W. Bush's presidency - just as Bush's term was almost over, after Iraq, Katrina, ISIS and who knows how many other fuck-ups, we got some icing on the cake in the lovely form of a major financial crisis. So by the same token, did you think 2020 was going to go away quietly, without a final fuck you?

    • Re:I knew it (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @04:58PM (#60849198)

      It's more like, "all these assholes saying we need herd immunity don't understand that more infections = more mutations = the ability to be infected multiple times"

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by ChatHuant ( 801522 )

        Well, vaccination should get us herd immunity with no mutations.

        That's however hoping people *will* get vaccinated. I'm a bit worried about that, because I asked my physician whether he's planning to get the vaccine himself, and he said no - he's worried about secondary effects and thinks he's healthy enough not to need it. I kind of expected a doctor to be much more interested in getting vaccinated, since he has to deal with sick people, so he's much more at risk than a regular schmoe like myself. But then

        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          I think it's generally a terrible idea for people to "have" a physician. There's an argument that seeing the same one all the time is beneficial because they theoretically know you and can give you better care. However, there are so many bad ones that getting a random pick every time might well be best.

          80% of second opinions differ from the first one.

        • , vaccination should get us herd immunity with no mutations.

          Oh, totally, yes. Everyone needs to get vaccinated. When I asked about the vaccine my doctor told me I would get mine "sometime after he did", which is the answer I would except. You should probably change doctors, and, quite frankly, I think unvaccinated medical professionals (without a real physical allergy/other reason to avoid it) should probably have their license suspended for the life of the pandemic (once sufficient doses are out there)

        • Interesting that your doctor did not seem to take the health of OTHER people into account in his decision...

      • by hey! ( 33014 )

        We don't have any scientific reason to believe it's likely that mutations will undermine immunity in the near future. We're using the same measles vaccine approved back in 1968 today, even though the virus has been circulating and mutating for half a century.

        Could it happen? Sure. Is it likely? No.

        • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

          This would be the seventh variant, not including the original in the bat, WHICH FUCKING MUTATED. Will it mutate, well, it has done so already a whole bunch of times, is the vaccine likely a waste of time, well, it will generate billions upon billions in profits by those organising and spreading fear.

          So far the virus rots your brain, gives you heart attacks, remains in your system for years and it repeatedly has been reported that people have caught it more than once. That to drive up the fear but the phar

        • even though the virus has been circulating and mutating for half a century.

          I mean, it hasn't been circulating that much, because people get innoculated. Meanwhile, you get three new flu vaccines every year (in one shot) because it mutates so much.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        I'm this case though it looks like the antibodies for normal COVID will work just fine, as will the vaccine.

        • In this case no disaster happened. We typically don't say things like 'well, it's cool that the school bus driver was drinking on his route cause all the kids were fine today"

      • they don't care. The people pushing for this crap are largely insulated from it. The few that blunder into it have access to levels of care and treatment you and I don't. Meanwhile forcing the economy back on track before it's safe would have probably got Trump re-elected. And it certainly would have put more money in their pockets.
        • Meanwhile forcing the economy back on track before it's safe would have probably got Trump re-elected.

          Except they did and it didn't. Georgia was the first state to reopen and flipped to blue.

          he people pushing for this crap are largely insulated from it.

          The high level people pushing it, sure. The people who buy into it, not so much.

      • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

        They also don't get how bad a condition some of the survivors of COVID are. 10% have 'long haul covid' including my workmate who has gone from being super fit to not being able to walk around the block without being an aching wreck afterwards and that's just one of the symptoms.

        Losing 10% of the workforce would be vary bad for any country.

  • TFA says: "Although there's considerable uncertainty, it may be up to 70% more transmissible than the old variant, the original version of the disease. This is early data and it's subject to review.' I wonder how do you know it is 70% more transmissible? The strain may be dominant for some reason and the R increase may come from the seasonal nature of covid. How is it possible to prove it comes from some mutation?(especially without in lab experiment I guess)
    • by rkww ( 675767 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @05:50PM (#60849308)
      You can infer this from the changing ratio of the new variant in the infected population.
    • by Joe2020 ( 6760092 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @06:32PM (#60849422)

      How is it possible to prove it comes from some mutation?

      Here in the UK do we have public test stations. Where I live there is one less than 5 minutes away. It's basically a big tent in a parking lot. We have started with this a while ago, and with more testing sites popping up, and it allows anyone to get a test who believes they have the virus.

      Testing for the virus allows one to also see its composition, its DNA code. Doing mass tests all over the country each day means we get to see how a new mutation spreads, if it mixes in with older mutations, or, of it dominates and replaces these. When it does the later and the number of cases increases as a result then you know that a mutation is taking over and is spreading more aggressively.

    • by Computershack ( 1143409 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @08:58PM (#60849800)

      TFA says: I wonder how do you know it is 70% more transmissible?

      Infection rate data. In the government TV briefing today they showed a graph showing the rates of infection in the rest of the UK compared to London and the South East who are going to be in Tier 4. The Tier 4 area rose several times that of the rest of the UK in the last week, the line on the graph for that region being almost vertical. https://www.cambridgeindepende... [cambridgei...dent.co.uk]

    • by idji ( 984038 )
      Because they looked at the data in London and Sydney on this strain and compared it to other cities which don't have this strain.
  • How does this affect the vaccine's viability? Is it still going to recognize this virus as Covid-19 or is it too different from the original, so we're more or less back to square one?

    • RTFS. It is right in the first sentence.

      • Come on with a low # like yours you know Slashdot don't play like that. It's comment first on the head line then read last.

        • by Calydor ( 739835 )

          Actually I had read the summary; but it's late here and I somehow blanked out that first part.

    • How does this affect the vaccine's viability? Is it still going to recognize this virus as Covid-19 or is it too different from the original, so we're more or less back to square one?

      This is probably completely fine - there's not a big enough change that it's likely to affect vaccines, however there will still need to be testing done. Generally, since this does change the spike protein it's a bad sign since there might be a further variant which becomes vaccine resistant. Even if that does happen though, we won't go back to square one since the current vaccine work can very likely be adapted to deal with whatever new variant comes up once the variant is identified and sequenced.

  • Because Great Britain is an island is easy to stop the spread on mainland Europe and Ireland, remember only to shut the railwaiy tunnel. Now arriving to an hard Brexit look like a good thing...
    Seriously, this is one of the reason to limit the people movements, to try to stop the spread of mutated strains.
  • by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @07:21PM (#60849562)

    That's why I always skip the first version of anything, let 'em work out the bugs. I mean, did you try the first version of Windows Vista? It was terrible until like the seventh or eighth fix pack. You wanna talk about diseases? Influenza didn't even get good until version 1918. How about the plague? Well, think about the plague of Justinian in the year 541 AD, it was mediocre at best. Compare that to it's later iteration, the Black Death of the year 1342, which was by all accounts a more robust and full-bodied plague. It's going to be the same thing with this COVID-19 virus, so I'm gonna wait it out for v2 or v3 at least.

  • by theshowmecanuck ( 703852 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @07:46PM (#60849624) Journal
    What would be really cool is once all the smart people get vaccinated, an even deadlier more transmissible version comes out and kills all the antivaxxers in a Darwinian strike of massive proportions. And then we live in rational and intelligent life for awhile.
  • by The Evil Atheist ( 2484676 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @08:32PM (#60849748)
    This is why doing nothing but blame China is a pointless exercise. It doesn't matter where a virus come from. If you let it take hold locally, its mutations become local, with its own set of challenges. Instead of JUST blaming China, how about actually fighting the disease so that it doesn't do things like spread around long enough for certain mutations to make it more deadly?
  • by subreality ( 157447 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @11:25PM (#60850006)

    posting to undo incorrect moderation.

  • It remains to be seen conclusively whether the opening of schools, even during lockdown and in the highest most restrictive tiers, is the primary driver behind this particular mutation and indeed the rapid spread we have seen, that even a second lockdown failed to properly curtail.

    Whilst there was considerable testing of all university students, prior to them returning home for the Christmas break, the same cannot be said for school children. There was *some* testing, but not nearly enough.

    It was a choice b

    • The chances of being infected during a five-minute trip to the supermarket are negligible if you're following the basic precautions. So no, it's not deeply worrying.

      If the morons in South-East London continue to refuse to wear masks and sanitise their hands and isolate when they have clear symptoms (as I have observed many times over the last few weeks) then yes, the vulnerable may be screwed.
      • But those same 'morons' exist all over the country.

        The scenes at railway stations around London shortly after the announcement of restrictions are deeply worrying.
        Those people were travelling all over the country and into Europe - it is a no-brainer this mutation of the virus is going to spread.
        Crowded trains heading to multiple destinations, require only a single infected person in a carriage to potentially infect another two or three people in close contact.
        And those carriers are unaware, as are those the

  • We aren't going to control / contain it. Gotta learn to live with it. It will kill a load of unhealthy people - which is terrible, but bad things happen. We've become used to no bad things happening, so such a pandemic is shocking to us. But we've just had a lucky streak really, it isn't that we're omnipotent, and can handle everything the world might throw at us.

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